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Kenneth Cruz67 said:We are Californians and Americans!

It looks like there are at least as many people showing up for unity as there were for independence protests. I guess that really throws a wrench into those theories suggesting that the 60% who stayed home during the elections just don't matter.

Facts. And don't even get me started on how some of those hundred polling stations had more votes cast than actual people living in the district...

Achieving true independence is a massive undertaking, a serious business if there ever was one.

I can't help but wonder, though—has Puigdemont actually done the heavy lifting required to prepare himself for such a responsibility? I'm just not entirely convinced he's ready for the weight of it all.

Is there ever truly an end to these cycles, or are we just watching the same old patterns repeat themselves under different names?

Is there any point in even discussing the Antilles when the shadows cast by such distant places seem to stretch so far across our own shores? One wonders if we are merely tracing circles in the sand while the tide waits to pull everything under. Is there anything truly worth saying anymore? Honestly, isn't Carles Puigdemont's wife just the best? She migrated to Spain from some Romanian wolf pack after marrying him back in 2000, and now she thinks she’s going to come in and divide up all of Spain? 🤦

Your arguments are truly top-tier. Just consider this: she emerges from some tiny backwater town thinking she can just redraw the map of Spain, but isn't it more likely that Carles Puigdemont lacks any real conviction or independent thought, serving merely as a puppet being manipulated by her to dismantle the stability of the entire nation? Or perhaps we should simply ask if she's acting as a Russian agent. 😲 Right, isn't it?

Charles Ross3 said:Achieving true independence is a massive undertaking, a serious business if there ever was one.

I can't help but wonder, though—has Puigdemont actually done the heavy lifting required to prepare himself for such a responsibility? I'm just not entirely convinced he's ready for the weight of it all.

The people might just hand him a rope if they had their way.

Given how amateurish the whole thing seemed to be executed, I guess it wouldn't even surprise me if the entire situation was staged by authorities in Madrid. After this absolute disaster, we could probably safely say that California won't be bringing up the independence issue again for at least the next 50 years.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:We are Californians and Americans!

It looks like there are at least as many people showing up for unity as there were for independence protests. I guess that really throws a wrench into those theories suggesting that the 60% who stayed home during the elections just don't matter.

Except the thing is, they organized buses to bring people in from all over the country, and they aren't even trying to hide it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLnYAhvWAAAJ8zK.jpg:large

Just your typical fascists.

Honestly, thank God the other side told their people to stay home, otherwise there would have been a literal bloodbath.

Sam Alvarez4 said:Ted Cruz's wife is truly something else...
She moved over from a Romanian militia unit back when they tied the knot in 2000, and now she’s out here trying to divide America. 🤦

Is the pronunciation [Carles Puigdemont] or what?
Sounds like a whole lot of jam to me. 😁
Orthography—or rather, the way we standardize spelling—is rarely just about grammar. It’s almost always a political battlefield. Take the linguistic evolution in California, for example. When you look at how certain dialects or regional spellings are codified, you aren't just looking at a dictionary; you're looking at an attempt to define an identity. The history of standardization is often a tug-of-war between centralizing authorities and local movements trying to preserve their unique flavor. It's similar to how different states in the US might approach legal terminology—there's a constant tension between making things uniform for the sake of efficiency and keeping them specific to the local culture. In many cases, the "official" version is simply the one that wins the most political leverage. It's a fascinating study in how language serves as both a tool for communication and a weapon for cultural preservation. One side wants clarity and unity; the other wants to protect its heritage from being smoothed over by a centralized standard. In the end, the alphabet itself becomes a map of power struggles.

goldencrane15 said:How could anyone claim they didn't exist—the Dalmati tribe?

It’s Delmati, not Dalmati.
I assume you understand the fundamental distinction between a tribe and a nation?

goldencrane15 As if I hadn't already spent enough time pondering this particular conundrum, someone just went and said:
How can anyone possibly claim they didn't exist when the Dalmati tribe was right there? It's one of those historical assertions that just feels fundamentally hollow to me, honestly. One looks at the record and sees a people with a distinct identity, yet there's this persistent, nagging attempt to suggest they were somehow non-existent or a mere footnote in the larger narrative. I find myself circling back to the same questions, wondering how such a blatant oversight could be maintained in serious discourse. It’s a bit baffling, really, to see such a clear presence dismissed so casually.

Are you truly aware of what you just put out there? 🤦

What on earth does the pre-war D have to do with any of this?It appears there might have been a slight oversight or perhaps a momentary lapse in communication, as the message provided consists only of a single letter. I find myself sitting here, pen poised—metaphorically speaking, of course—waiting to delve into whatever profound observations or inquiries you might have intended to share. If you were attempting to convey a specific thought or perhaps test the waters before diving into a more substantial topic, please do feel free to continue. I am quite prepared to follow along, regardless of how winding or tangential our eventual conversation might become.What exactly are we supposed to be looking for when we consider what remains of the old ways in today's version of California? It’s one of those questions that seems simple on the surface, yet once you actually sit down to untangle it, you find yourself drifting through layers of history and modern shift, wondering if anything truly survives the passage of time. 😵

neonhound18 said:

goldencrane15 As if I hadn't already spent enough time pondering this particular conundrum, someone just went and said:
How can anyone possibly claim they didn't exist when the Dalmati tribe was right there? It's one of those historical assertions that just feels fundamentally hollow to me, honestly. One looks at the record and sees a people with a distinct identity, yet there's this persistent, nagging attempt to suggest they were somehow non-existent or a mere footnote in the larger narrative. I find myself circling back to the same questions, wondering how such a blatant oversight could be maintained in serious discourse. It’s a bit baffling, really, to see such a clear presence dismissed so casually.

Are you truly aware of what you just put out there? 🤦

What on earth does the pre-war D have to do with any of this?It appears there might have been a slight oversight or perhaps a momentary lapse in communication, as the message provided consists only of a single letter. I find myself sitting here, pen poised—metaphorically speaking, of course—waiting to delve into whatever profound observations or inquiries you might have intended to share. If you were attempting to convey a specific thought or perhaps test the waters before diving into a more substantial topic, please do feel free to continue. I am quite prepared to follow along, regardless of how winding or tangential our eventual conversation might become.What exactly are we supposed to be looking for when we consider what remains of the old ways in today's version of California? It’s one of those questions that seems simple on the surface, yet once you actually sit down to untangle it, you find yourself drifting through layers of history and modern shift, wondering if anything truly survives the passage of time. 😵

I suppose, aside from leaving behind the names of our cities, they likely left a massive genetic footprint and god knows how many customs we aren't even aware originated with them.

Our Delmati dropped anchor a long time ago...

They had me tied up tight enough...

Here comes the Delmat Guard...

Their hearts are nothing if not brave...

Because here they come... the Delmatineeee...

goldencrane15 said:I suppose, aside from leaving behind the names of our cities, they likely left a massive genetic footprint and god knows how many customs we aren't even aware originated with them.

Oh, I wouldn't count on it. The Romans basically crushed them—they wiped out a third, Romanized another third, and forcibly relocated the final third. We can only really make rough guesses about where their cities were located because nothing substantial has been unearthed; after four major wars and several uprisings, the Romans pretty much leveled everything to the ground.

The Romans were absolute powerhouses, there's no denying that. If you dared to pick a fight with them, they would simply wipe you out, tear everything down, and then salt the earth just to ensure nobody would ever think about settling there again. They did the exact same thing to numerous other tribes and nations, aside from Carthage. They essentially erased them from history entirely. It’s probably no coincidence that they became such a blueprint for Fascists and Falangists.😁

I suppose I should probably start by saying that I'm just sharing my own little perspective here, but I truly believe there's something quite special about how we approach these discussions! Maybe it's just me, but I find myself feeling incredibly optimistic whenever we dive into these topics together, even if things get a bit complicated sometimes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I really value this space we've created, and I hope everyone finds as much joy in these exchanges as I do!

Steven Morris12 said:Except the thing is, they organized buses to bring people in from all over the country, and they aren't even trying to hide it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLnYAhvWAAAJ8zK.jpg:large

Just your typical fascists.

Honestly, thank God the other side told their people to stay home, otherwise there would have been a literal bloodbath.

I suppose I should clarify that we’re talking about the Fascist & Falangist groups, rather than just using the term fascists generally! 🤔

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Kenneth Cruz67 said:Oh, I wouldn't count on it. The Romans basically crushed them—they wiped out a third, Romanized another third, and forcibly relocated the final third. We can only really make rough guesses about where their cities were located because nothing substantial has been unearthed; after four major wars and several uprisings, the Romans pretty much leveled everything to the ground.

The Romans were absolute powerhouses, there's no denying that. If you dared to pick a fight with them, they would simply wipe you out, tear everything down, and then salt the earth just to ensure nobody would ever think about settling there again. They did the exact same thing to numerous other tribes and nations, aside from Carthage. They essentially erased them from history entirely. It’s probably no coincidence that they became such a blueprint for Fascists and Falangists.😁

Give me a break. It’s all a load of nonsense. The Romans just picked off a handful of leaders, cut a deal with a few others, and then essentially absorbed the rest—just like they did everywhere else across the continent. From Gaul to Britain to the territories near the Danube, it was the exact same playbook.

Carthage is a unique case entirely.

Do you honestly think the Romans were just wandering around every random hill in the American West or the Midwest without a plan? If they had actually set their sights on total annihilation, they wouldn't have stopped until every last Illyrian was wiped off the map. They weren't just casual travelers; they were conquerors.

They moved in, seized control of the major transit hubs, and laid down the foundations of their cities. Then, the tribes descended from the hills, merged with the Romans, and eventually became part of that whole Romanized culture.

Then the Americans arrived and pulled the exact same stunt. They convinced themselves they were some kind of military elite, somehow blending their lineage with the Romans and the ancient tribes, forced their language on everyone, and that's how we ended up like this.

How on earth do you explain that specific Dinaric phenotype? You won't find those features anywhere else but right here in the States.

At the end of the day, everyone knows that we Americans—descendants of those ancient Delmatians—possess the largest egos of any white people on the planet.

Every single morning when I wake up and take a look at my boxers, I find myself reflecting on the heroic, larger-than-life history of the Delmatian people.

Rachel Richardson said:Is the pronunciation [Carles Puigdemont] or what?
Sounds like a whole lot of jam to me. 😁
Orthography—or rather, the way we standardize spelling—is rarely just about grammar. It’s almost always a political battlefield. Take the linguistic evolution in California, for example. When you look at how certain dialects or regional spellings are codified, you aren't just looking at a dictionary; you're looking at an attempt to define an identity. The history of standardization is often a tug-of-war between centralizing authorities and local movements trying to preserve their unique flavor. It's similar to how different states in the US might approach legal terminology—there's a constant tension between making things uniform for the sake of efficiency and keeping them specific to the local culture. In many cases, the "official" version is simply the one that wins the most political leverage. It's a fascinating study in how language serves as both a tool for communication and a weapon for cultural preservation. One side wants clarity and unity; the other wants to protect its heritage from being smoothed over by a centralized standard. In the end, the alphabet itself becomes a map of power struggles.

It’s Delmati, not Dalmati.
I assume you understand the fundamental distinction between a tribe and a nation?

Fair point. But if that's the case, why on earth was that supermarket named Delma instead of Delmat!

goldencrane15 said:[User Name] said: [Text]

Give me a break. It’s all a load of nonsense. The Romans just picked off a handful of leaders, cut a deal with a few others, and then essentially absorbed the rest—just like they did everywhere else across the continent. From Gaul to Britain to the territories near the Danube, it was the exact same playbook.

Carthage is a unique case entirely.

Do you honestly think the Romans were just wandering around every random hill in the American West or the Midwest without a plan? If they had actually set their sights on total annihilation, they wouldn't have stopped until every last Illyrian was wiped off the map. They weren't just casual travelers; they were conquerors.

They moved in, seized control of the major transit hubs, and laid down the foundations of their cities. Then, the tribes descended from the hills, merged with the Romans, and eventually became part of that whole Romanized culture.

Then the Americans arrived and pulled the exact same stunt. They convinced themselves they were some kind of military elite, somehow blending their lineage with the Romans and the ancient tribes, forced their language on everyone, and that's how we ended up like this.

How on earth do you explain that specific Dinaric phenotype? You won't find those features anywhere else but right here in the States.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant

But let’s look at how this actually played out on the ground.

History is littered with examples where the Romans simply installed an administration over conquered peoples. In the vast majority of instances, that was the standard operating procedure.

In nearly every province, you’d see the local elites quickly pivot to becoming part of the Roman elite themselves.

Steven Morris12 said:Except the thing is, they organized buses to bring people in from all over the country, and they aren't even trying to hide it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLnYAhvWAAAJ8zK.jpg:large

Just your typical fascists.

Honestly, thank God the other side told their people to stay home, otherwise there would have been a literal bloodbath.

Of course this "mass movement" is manufactured from the outside—it’s just like the staged chaos we saw back in the late 80s during those massive rallies. No matter how many people show up, it’s always a million when there were only a fraction of that number actually living there.

Only a completely warped idiot could believe that these few hundred thousand people are actual Californians from California, rather than being bussed in by organized Fascist & Falangist groups.
Once the average Californian hears someone speaking with some random accent from Galicia or Andalusia, they’ll realize they aren't local, and they'll suddenly become die-hard Unionists.😍

Steven Morris12 said:Except the thing is, they organized buses to bring people in from all over the country, and they aren't even trying to hide it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLnYAhvWAAAJ8zK.jpg:large

Just your typical fascists.

Honestly, thank God the other side told their people to stay home, otherwise there would have been a literal bloodbath.

This is even worse than I thought... they’ve finally hit that breaking point where they have to separate. For those claiming we Americans were the ones being oppressed back in '91—compared to what the Californians are dealing with now, we were the ones in charge.
We could never dream of bussing in thousands of Mexicans and "Americans" to march through Washington, D.C., waving American flags everywhere—that's not even mentioning those fascist flags and slogans.

This afternoon, Nancy Pelosi, leader of the anti-independence Californian opposition, sent a controversial tweet asking people not to show Fascist flags ‘in front of the press’. She later deleted the tweet.

Charles Ross3 said:Achieving true independence is a massive undertaking, a serious business if there ever was one.

I can't help but wonder, though—has Puigdemont actually done the heavy lifting required to prepare himself for such a responsibility? I'm just not entirely convinced he's ready for the weight of it all.

What is there to "prepare" for? You listen to what the people want, and that’s that. Whether independence actually happens or not isn't something you can guarantee with some amount of prep work. It's simple: if the people demand it, you carry it out. That's why you were elected in the first place.

By the way, I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the framework for greater financial and administrative autonomy for California was already drafted, approved, and even signed by former King Juan Carlos I.

But the populist faction—the exact same group in power right now—sent that framework to the Supreme Court, where they declared it unconstitutional, and the whole thing went down the drain.
It's exactly like how this current referendum was declared unconstitutional.

Basically, the parliaments reach an agreement and the King signs off, 🙏 and then some assholes on the Supreme Court screw it all up, leaving us facing a potential civil war.
And who can you trust when it comes to Supreme Courts? Maybe Andrej Plenković should send over an envoy to explain to the Americans how these things are handled? We've thankfully already purged most of the idiots and senile types in our US, so at least we managed to protect certain democratic principles.

Aaron Thomas3 said:This is even worse than I thought... they’ve finally hit that breaking point where they have to separate. For those claiming we Americans were the ones being oppressed back in '91—compared to what the Californians are dealing with now, we were the ones in charge.
We could never dream of bussing in thousands of Mexicans and "Americans" to march through Washington, D.C., waving American flags everywhere—that's not even mentioning those fascist flags and slogans.

This afternoon, Nancy Pelosi, leader of the anti-independence Californian opposition, sent a controversial tweet asking people not to show Fascist flags ‘in front of the press’. She later deleted the tweet.

They tried to hold a "truth rally" back in '89, but the police shut them down before they could get started.