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Kimberly Green50 Kimberly Green50 Member
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#961 ·
Susan Martin4 said:Honestly, just because a kid can read, write, and do basic math doesn't mean they're ready to jump into elementary school. If we're talking about delaying enrollment, those academic skills are minor details. It’s more about how they handle the grind of first grade—it can be incredibly boring if they aren't mentally there yet.

You need a different kind of maturity for school. We're talking about meeting deadlines, sitting through lessons, actually following along...


We didn't end up delaying enrollment, and honestly, the fact that he could already read and count was the main reason the experts said he was ready. But you have a point; being smart and knowing math isn't the same thing as being emotionally mature enough.
The preschool staff basically pushed him through because they claimed he was in the top five most prepared kids in his group. Apparently, he had outgrown the daycare setting.

He doesn't struggle with the schoolwork; he handles everything perfectly fine. He even says he gets bored sometimes. Kimberly Green50 tells me he's often lost in thought, and it's hard to tell if he's just exhausted or feeling down. Especially during after-school care.

I know childcare is a nightmare right now, but still, we shouldn't just shove kids into school before they're ready. If I had any sense, I would have let him stay in preschool for one more year.
It's like everything else in this country—you have to be tough and know how to hold your own. We pushed him because he's bright, so he got bored at preschool. Now he's getting bored in school. And the psychologist's solution? "Enrich the educational content." Well, the school offers what it offers, so we end up driving him to extra programs after school. Then Kimberly Green50 starts complaining that he's overscheduled. It's always like this. Every expert has their own opinion.

Like I said, the academics aren't the issue. Even when he misses a whole week, he catches up on everything in one afternoon. What he's missing is the social stuff—just playing with other kids. He was only in daycare for three years, and since he was caught up in all those pandemic restrictions, I don't think he ever really got to just be a kid.

If you have the option, just delay it.
Carl Bishop2 Carl Bishop2 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#962 ·
Kimberly Green50, what was the reasoning behind wanting to push the date back?
Kimberly Green50 Kimberly Green50 Member
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#963 ·
Carl Bishop2 said:Kimberly Green50, what was the reasoning behind wanting to push the date back?

The real question isn't what we wanted.

First off, they moved him up to the preschool group at daycare. Most of his friends were moved too, so we didn't say anything at the time, even though we ended up with a whole new set of teachers. But as the school enrollment dates started creeping closer, they told us there was this extra bit of paperwork we had to deal with. Apparently, because he was just a few days shy of the age cutoff, we had to file a formal request for admission. Everyone else just sailed right through.
If I'm being honest, part of me felt a little smug thinking he was so advanced that he was ready for kindergarten already.
His pediatrician—who’s been seeing him since day one—was actually shocked he was old enough for school. She didn't think he even needed the official enrollment process. And if he'd been born just a couple of days earlier? Well, given his diagnosis, she definitely would have recommended holding him back. His mom had an extended maternity leave because of everything, which is why he started daycare a bit later than most.
I won't go into too much detail here, knock knock, but things have been fine for years now.

So, where does that leave us? We actually had the option to pull the enrollment. We went to see a psychologist for a second opinion, mostly because the doctor nudged us that way. But even according to the outside specialist, he’s ready. He’s already excited about starting school. And honestly, during his recent check-ups, everything seems totally fine.
The recommendation was basically some sort of social skills workshops and more enriched educational content. The problem is, those workshops aren't even really a thing; schools usually don't offer them until third or fourth grade. And we don't have the time or resources for private tutoring right now.
In that light, staying in daycare for one more year might actually be the smarter move.
For us, and for him.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#964 ·
So, basically, you guys didn't actually want an extension—you just got talked into signing up early so they could clear out some space.
It gets even worse than that.
Carl Bishop2 Carl Bishop2 Active Member
76 messages
joined Dec 2010
#965 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:So, basically, you guys didn't actually want an extension—you just got talked into signing up early so they could clear out some space.
It gets even worse than that.

Exactly. It’s not that the request for a delay was denied; it's that the early enrollment window just closed on you.

We just received a recommendation for some social skills workshops. Honestly, trying to coordinate his schedule to get him there is proving to be a bit of a headache—we might pull it off, but for now, he's just on the waiting list. I don't think the school offers anything quite like that, though I could be mistaken.
He spent three years in special education programs where the focus was on group socialization with other kids facing various challenges. And sure, while his language skills have definitely improved, I feel like when it comes to actual social interaction, he hasn't really moved the needle. To me, it feels like he's stuck in the same spot.
Kimberly Green50 Kimberly Green50 Member
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#966 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:So, basically, you guys didn't actually want an extension—you just got talked into signing up early so they could clear out some space.
It gets even worse than that.

Something like that.
We'll have to be smarter when dealing with the juniors.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#967 ·
I’ve never really understood this whole concept of kids "missing out on playtime" once they start school. In my experience, my kid just kept playing with friends every single day and weekend for years afterward. It’s just that the *way* they play changes—it’s less about organized games and more about hanging out outside with the crew, kicking a soccer ball around at the local park, or just cruising around on their bikes. A kid who is naturally social and loves being active isn't going to suddenly stop being that way just because they have a backpack now. Honestly, I don't see any real benefit in keeping a child in preschool just for the sake of extra playtime.
Kimberly Green50 Kimberly Green50 Member
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#968 ·
caterina said:Forget the technicalities and those few days he was born after the cutoff date—why on earth do you think he wasn't ready for school? Does he lack the patience to sit still and end up disrupting the class?

It feels like he's just bored because he already mastered the first-grade curriculum before even starting, but wouldn't he have been even more bored if he had waited another year to start school? 🤔

Restless? Please. He sits there quietly, quieter than any little girl I know. Even the Appalachian Mountains don't complain about his discipline.
He just misses playing and being with kids. He breaks down crying just thinking about missing a birthday party if he's sick and can't make it to school. Or if we pick him up too early. Honestly, it's a blessing he only cries once he's home. At school, he just swallows it. Let's just hope nobody picks on him.

Both psychologists said he'd be just as bored in class even if he waited a year.
But he would've spent this year playing. That's the whole point!
Even though the preschool teacher insisted he'd checked all the boxes for what a kid should do in preschool, the other one thinks he's still lacking socialization.
He missed those preschool years, and you can see the effects now. He started later. A bit of isolation here, a few bouts of sickness there, and honestly, we left him home ourselves quite a few times when he just didn't feel like going since my wife was home with our junior.

They play out by the Appalachian Mountains too. It’s not the kind of learning we grew up with; it's more laid back and fun. But it's still a commitment.
And maybe the Appalachian Mountains are right when they say there's too much stuff to do after school. Who knows? He loves school and all his activities. This morning, he was actually asking me why we have holidays again and what the deal is.
Kimberly Green50 Kimberly Green50 Member
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#969 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:I’ve never really understood this whole concept of kids "missing out on playtime" once they start school. In my experience, my kid just kept playing with friends every single day and weekend for years afterward. It’s just that the *way* they play changes—it’s less about organized games and more about hanging out outside with the crew, kicking a soccer ball around at the local park, or just cruising around on their bikes. A kid who is naturally social and loves being active isn't going to suddenly stop being that way just because they have a backpack now. Honestly, I don't see any real benefit in keeping a child in preschool just for the sake of extra playtime.

And where exactly are these kids supposed to be playing outside at 4:30 in the afternoon when it's pitch black and freezing cold?
My little one spent the entire day running around today; tomorrow will be no different. We old folks end up being the ones organizing the get-togethers anyway.
Maybe the issue with my boy is that he can't go full tilt with his sports due to some restrictions, so he's a bit limited there. But he still rides his bike and heads out to chill whenever the weather permits.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#970 ·
Well, you can play outside while the sun is actually up! It’s not quite the same level of chaotic fun as being at daycare, especially when you're trying to squeeze in some weekend playtime at 5:30 PM in the middle of winter. On weekdays, from about 8 to 5, it's pretty much a routine similar to a school schedule; after that, it really just comes down to how much parents can actually pull together. For my little one, as soon as his after-school program wrapped up—around three o'clock—his availability for playing shot up significantly. I honestly think that might have been his golden era; he didn't have many heavy school assignments yet, had a ton of free time, and enjoyed that sense of freedom just wandering around the neighborhood on his own.
But then again, even during those first two years, he got more than enough playtime and socializing to go around...
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#971 ·
In my view, the biggest upside to preschool is the sheer consistency; you know your kid has a safe place to be all year long, complete with four guaranteed meals a day. School is a different story entirely—it feels like there's a holiday every other week, and finding reliable after-school care can be such a headache. I really do empathize with parents who decide to keep their child in daycare for an extra year just to manage the logistics of a six-year-old being home alone during all those school breaks. It’s a tough spot to be in, though I don't think keeping them back is necessarily the best move for their development. Honestly, we really need to find a real solution where children up to age eight have access to some kind of organized childcare during school holidays. Most working parents in America simply don't have three months of vacation time to bridge those gaps.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#972 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:So, basically, you guys didn't actually want an extension—you just got talked into signing up early so they could clear out some space.
It gets even worse than that.

I honestly think that to keep everything in balance out there in the universe—especially when you're staring down a massive pile of things being pushed back—you really need to get someone enrolled a bit earlier. It just makes sense. 🤷
Honestly, I’ve been saying this for a while now: we really need to set some clear boundaries on when people are required to head out. In my opinion, we should stick to that March 31st deadline—or even move it up to January 1st if we wanted to be proactive—but then establish a sort of grace period from April through August. During those months, people could go in for their check-ups if they needed to, but the actual departure shouldn't be mandatory. It just feels like a more balanced way to handle things.

If the preschool teaching staff decides a child has basically outgrown the curriculum—meaning they’ve finished the pre-K program, mastered all the foundational reading and writing skills, and are hitting all their social and emotional milestones perfectly—then they’re ready to head off to elementary school. Of course, there might be some exceptions. If a pediatrician looks at the charts and sees concerns like being significantly underweight, having stunted growth, or dealing with chronic health issues or other medical diagnoses, that’s when you might want to sit down and seriously consider holding them back for an extra year.

Whenever there’s a transition coming up, I think it’s really important to sit down with the parents and have a real conversation about what the child will actually be doing during that gap year at preschool. You really have to ask if the facility can truly meet the child's specific needs. For instance, could they accommodate extra sessions or specialized treatments that might be harder to squeeze into a regular school schedule later on? It’s all about making sure the support system stays consistent during that bridge period.
I’m going to be a little blunt here, but delaying school just so they can play more feels like a mistake. Honestly, if he hasn't had much experience in daycare or preschool, this is basically neglecting his development. We can't shield children from every single frustration or tearful moment forever. Let's face it—life is tough sometimes. It’s perfectly normal for kids to cry or get angry occasionally. Even if a child hits all their developmental milestones early on, we can't protect them from reality indefinitely. They have to deal with peers who might find it funny when someone trips or makes a mistake. Sure, it’s definitely easier to practice those social lessons in preschool rather than waiting until elementary school, but it isn't impossible to learn later on. Part of growing up is learning how to handle things over and over again as life throws new situations your way.

This is for some other topic, for example. ovuWait, I actually have to say this here:

Kimberly Green50 said:We didn't end up delaying enrollment, and honestly, the fact that he could already read and count was the main reason the experts said he was ready. But you have a point; being smart and knowing math isn't the same thing as being emotionally mature enough.
The preschool staff basically pushed him through because they claimed he was in the top five most prepared kids in his group. Apparently, he had outgrown the daycare setting.

He doesn't struggle with the schoolwork; he handles everything perfectly fine. He even says he gets bored sometimes. Kimberly Green50 tells me he's often lost in thought, and it's hard to tell if he's just exhausted or feeling down. Especially during after-school care.

I know childcare is a nightmare right now, but still, we shouldn't just shove kids into school before they're ready. If I had any sense, I would have let him stay in preschool for one more year.
It's like everything else in this country—you have to be tough and know how to hold your own. We pushed him because he's bright, so he got bored at preschool. Now he's getting bored in school. And the psychologist's solution? "Enrich the educational content." Well, the school offers what it offers, so we end up driving him to extra programs after school. Then Kimberly Green50 starts complaining that he's overscheduled. It's always like this. Every expert has their own opinion.

Like I said, the academics aren't the issue. Even when he misses a whole week, he catches up on everything in one afternoon. What he's missing is the social stuff—just playing with other kids. He was only in daycare for three years, and since he was caught up in all those pandemic restrictions, I don't think he ever really got to just be a kid.

If you have the option, just delay it.

Lost in space. I’ve been thinking lately about how we can really enrich our educational content to make it more engaging for students. It’s one thing to follow the curriculum, but it's another thing entirely to breathe life into the material so it actually sticks. I remember back when I was in college, the professors who truly inspired me were the ones who didn't just read from a textbook, but brought in real-world examples and interactive elements that made the lessons feel relevant. I think we should aim for that same kind of depth—finding ways to add layers to our teaching tools that spark curiosity rather than just checking off boxes. So, imagine this: a kid finishes all their math homework way ahead of the rest of the class, and instead of getting a break, the teacher hands them even more work. I'm not talking about just cranking out twenty more of the exact same problems, either. I mean actual challenges—complex addition, brain teasers, and logic puzzles that go beyond the standard curriculum. It’s like giving them extra math on top of the extra math they already signed up for!
Maybe they could get an extra book from the reading list? Or perhaps we could give them permission to dive into some magazines—like National Geographic Kids or Highlights—let them read comics during free time, or even let them get some sketching done once they've knocked out their regular assignments or shown a genuine interest in a particular topic.
It’s not just about making sure he doesn't get bored; it’s really about giving him that extra push to actually tap into his potential. He clearly has a lot of talent there, so providing that kind of stimulation could be a total game-changer for his development.
Now that computer science is part of the curriculum starting in first grade, there are so many great coding challenges from Beaver that we can give our kids to work on at home!
I’m not sure how this guide was actually delivered to you all—hopefully, it wasn't just handed over as a plain sheet of paper—but I really feel like we need to be more direct with parents and teachers. It needs to be crystal clear when a first grader is clearly bored out of their mind because the curriculum just isn't hitting the mark for them.
If the teacher isn't able—or just doesn't want to—to handle this, then we're looking at a much deeper issue that won't be fixed by just talking about after-school activities. Honestly, if I’m being brave enough to say it, this situation might actually make things worse. It feels like the teacher is on that same track when she tells you there are too many extracurriculars; she likely realizes the child is progressing at their own pace elsewhere. They're tackling challenging, fun projects outside of class, yet here they are being told to sit still and listen to things they've already mastered. It's easy to lose a student that way, and even easier to lose that connection with them. In my experience, it's often simpler for a teacher to tell parents, "Don't overstimulate him," rather than admitting the classroom environment isn't meeting his needs, using his exhaustion as an excuse.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#973 ·
Michelle Nelson4, man, my kids will sit quietly for four hours straight, then they eat (takes a while to settle them down again), head outside for an hour, and then get right back to sitting and finishing their homework. If they power through the work quickly and my parents come over, they might squeeze in another half hour or so of playtime.
So, we're looking at maybe two or three hours of play compared to the whole day at preschool?
How do you even compare the two?
I mean, they’ll still play, obviously, but they definitely have way less freedom than they did before starting school.
John Palmer9 John Palmer9 Active Member
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#974 ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:I’ve never really understood this whole concept of kids "missing out on playtime" once they start school. In my experience, my kid just kept playing with friends every single day and weekend for years afterward. It’s just that the *way* they play changes—it’s less about organized games and more about hanging out outside with the crew, kicking a soccer ball around at the local park, or just cruising around on their bikes. A kid who is naturally social and loves being active isn't going to suddenly stop being that way just because they have a backpack now. Honestly, I don't see any real benefit in keeping a child in preschool just for the sake of extra playtime.

👍

Seems like a point well made.
I suppose one issue with delaying school is that parents sometimes subconsciously treat their child like a little project or a toy, finding it convenient to push back that first day of kindergarten.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#975 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Michelle Nelson4, man, my kids will sit quietly for four hours straight, then they eat (takes a while to settle them down again), head outside for an hour, and then get right back to sitting and finishing their homework. If they power through the work quickly and my parents come over, they might squeeze in another half hour or so of playtime.
So, we're looking at maybe two or three hours of play compared to the whole day at preschool?
How do you even compare the two?
I mean, they’ll still play, obviously, but they definitely have way less freedom than they did before starting school.

Well, I don't think they're just sitting calmly for four hours straight—where did that idea come from? In our experience, they had about three hours of physical activity, either all at once or spread out through the day, plus homeroom time where they’d often head out to the playground. My kid also had a break at least twice a week during class because of religious studies, which he usually spent playing soccer outside with his buddies (with the teacher keeping an eye on them), so his day was basically split into two blocks with a gap in between. They’d finish up around 11:25 or 12:15, grab lunch, play until 2:00, and then tackle about an hour and a half of homework. BUT, at our school, the rule was that if you finished your work early, you could go play outside or just hang out quietly in the classroom. So, he was actually getting at least 3 to 4 hours of play every single day. Plus, learning new material is its own kind of intellectual stimulation—it isn't just about physical play...
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#976 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Michelle Nelson4, man, my kids will sit quietly for four hours straight, then they eat (takes a while to settle them down again), head outside for an hour, and then get right back to sitting and finishing their homework. If they power through the work quickly and my parents come over, they might squeeze in another half hour or so of playtime.
So, we're looking at maybe two or three hours of play compared to the whole day at preschool?
How do you even compare the two?
I mean, they’ll still play, obviously, but they definitely have way less freedom than they did before starting school.

None of my kids ever managed to sit still in an after-school setting for longer than an hour, which was usually all the time allotted for homework, and that's assuming we didn't switch through three different teachers in the process.
They always seemed to have some sort of constant stream of activities, sports, or special projects going on.
It felt more like the fun and games you'd read about in a storybook.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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joined Jul 2012
#977 ·
It just goes to show how much schools differ; my daughter was always one of the first to finish her assignments, so she’d be done in less than an hour.
Then you have the kids who stretch things out, working on homework until the very end of after-school care.
The way American schools are set up, kids are expected to sit still and listen, with three to five hours of formal classes where they mostly just sit there quietly.
I honestly don't see how you can compare that to preschool.
That doesn't mean school is bad, nor does it mean everyone needs to ask for exemptions.
But the reality is that kids get a lot less playtime in school compared to preschool, where they basically spend all ten hours playing or resting.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#978 ·
If I break down how those 8 to 10-hour daycare schedules actually look... my kiddos usually rolled in around 8:30 AM, so we’d spend at least 20 minutes on breakfast. After that, there was a minimum of an hour dedicated to group activities in the morning, followed by lunch—which took more than half an hour—then getting everyone settled for nap time, which lasted about 2.5 hours. In the afternoons, my group would have an hour of organized sports or maybe some English lessons, wrapping things up around 4:30 PM. If you include playtime, everything basically runs until 5:00 PM.

Back when they were in preschool, they didn't take naps anymore, but we still ran a preschool program. It wasn't quite two hours, but we definitely did at least an hour of structured programming every day.

I should clarify that these daycare activities aren't "school" in the formal sense, but kids are still sitting at tables, listening to instructions, and working on specific tasks.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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joined Jul 2012
#979 ·
Well, I personally view group play as a core part of learning, especially since kids shouldn't be forced to participate if they aren't feeling it—they can always engage through other activities instead.
It’s similar to how we don't really count art class as part of the standard lecture-style curriculum where you're expected to just sit still and listen.😁
Back when my kids were in preschool, they spent an immeasurable amount of time outdoors just playing.
To be clear, I don't think it's a bad thing to shift gears at one point in life. Even though my little one's elementary school was wonderful, it's just a fact that this is a much more mature and responsible stage of life.
From packing their own backpack and pencil case, to making sure they don't waste paper, completing all their homework, and working on those take-home projects...
it's all a natural progression, but unless kids are attending a Waldorf school, I'd say there's definitely significantly less playtime compared to preschool.😁
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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joined Jan 2024
#980 ·
Sure, there’s definitely less playtime in elementary school compared to preschool, I'll give you that. But honestly, in those early grades, I don't think the drop-off is so drastic that it justifies keeping a kid in daycare for an extra year just to cling to that playtime. From what I've seen, they still find plenty of ways to stay active and have fun even once they're officially in school. Take my fifth grader, for example—things are starting to get a bit more serious now. We're seeing more hours dedicated to studying, and they're actually starting to skip out on time at the playground because they feel like they "have to study for a test."

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