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Is having five kids actually worth it?

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Karen Rodriguez3 Karen Rodriguez3 Active Member
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#81 ·
gentlestag3 said:My mom actually wants to move into an assisted living facility once she gets weaker. My wife's grandfather broke his leg recently, and since her parents work from sunrise to sunset, there just wasn't anyone available to stay with him, so he had to go into a care home. He fought it so hard at first, though—he kept saying everyone abandoned him, blah blah blah. But after being there for three months until he could walk again, he actually misses it. Since her parents are still working non-stop, he's just alone all day, whereas at the facility, he had company around the clock.

I guess I don't really get why people are lecturing me about my upbringing? Like, who decided it was wrong to step up and help my mother if she becomes incapacitated?

I’m not even talking about that. Honestly, I think a facility is a better option than someone just sitting home alone all day. I’ve seen stuff like this happen in my own family, so yeah, maybe that's just how we were raised.
But look, taking care of your parents isn't really any different from taking care of your kids, and it's not a bad thing in itself.
As long as it comes from a place of love, I guess.
Trying to guilt-trip kids or force obligations on them is where I draw the line. That's just not okay.
And caring for someone doesn't just mean having them under your roof.
You can still look after your parents while they're in a facility. You call them, you visit, you just hang out...
darkhawk10 darkhawk10 Newcomer
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#82 ·
I haven't read a post this foolish in quite some time. This author truly seems to have no direction in life, but you know what might actually help them find purpose? Perhaps they should consider changing their gender, having five children, and dedicating themselves entirely to nursing, feeding, and raising them until those kids are singing angelic hymns at their deathbed... bah! 🤮
Richard Richardson68 Richard Richardson68 Member
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#83 ·
Some people are totally outraged, others just don't care.

Maybe some old lady is offended because she’s just bitter—seeing someone else's family reminds her of her own wasted youth, I guess. Or maybe it's some narrow-minded jerk who thinks he should "keep his wife at home just to produce kids." Or honestly, it could be a couple that spent their whole lives trying to conceive, finally coming to terms with the fact that they'll never hold their own baby, only to have some young mom show up whining about how hard her life is and how much pain she went through during labor... while they're sitting there thinking, "Must be nice to actually have those problems," you know?

But most people? They aren't even bothered.
Angela Newman33 Angela Newman33 Active Member
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#84 ·
Richard Richardson68 said:Some people are totally outraged, others just don't care.

Maybe some old lady is offended because she’s just bitter—seeing someone else's family reminds her of her own wasted youth, I guess. Or maybe it's some narrow-minded jerk who thinks he should "keep his wife at home just to produce kids." Or honestly, it could be a couple that spent their whole lives trying to conceive, finally coming to terms with the fact that they'll never hold their own baby, only to have some young mom show up whining about how hard her life is and how much pain she went through during labor... while they're sitting there thinking, "Must be nice to actually have those problems," you know?

But most people? They aren't even bothered.

Honestly, I’d say the ones most offended are the ones who went through the exact same thing but would never admit it—mostly because there’s this weird social pressure to act like the "perfect woman" who doesn't feel pain, everything is wonderful, and she'll just keep sacrificing herself for her kids until the day she drops dead.
Richard Richardson68 Richard Richardson68 Member
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#85 ·
People are freaking out about stuff in Seattle😲 and even over by the local Walmart😲 and all those weird health blogs😲 and just everything else, I guess.
The truth is, the biggest outrage comes from the fact that they're even showing up in the first place.
Richard Richardson68 Richard Richardson68 Member
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#86 ·
I mean, giving birth to a kid—like, a full-grown human being—and thinking it won't hurt? You can't even imagine that 🙄. It hurts in plenty of other situations too 😁 so why wouldn't it be like that then?
And it’s just... I don't know, it feels like it's tearing you apart, just in case. Or maybe a lot, depending on how it goes.
Then they just sort of shove a baby into you after a few minutes without even asking, "Hey, is this okay?"
I'm positive it hurts.

But then again, if it's like that, why do we even have kids in the first place?
gentlestag3 gentlestag3 Active Member
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#87 ·
Richard Richardson68 said:I mean, giving birth to a kid—like, a full-grown human being—and thinking it won't hurt? You can't even imagine that 🙄. It hurts in plenty of other situations too 😁 so why wouldn't it be like that then?
And it’s just... I don't know, it feels like it's tearing you apart, just in case. Or maybe a lot, depending on how it goes.
Then they just sort of shove a baby into you after a few minutes without even asking, "Hey, is this okay?"
I'm positive it hurts.

But then again, if it's like that, why do we even have kids in the first place?

We're actually expecting a baby ourselves right now, and honestly, we still haven't quite figured that part out. Other than just really wanting to be parents, I don't think there's any other reason, really.
Angela Newman33 Angela Newman33 Active Member
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#88 ·
Richard Richardson68 said:I mean, giving birth to a kid—like, a full-grown human being—and thinking it won't hurt? You can't even imagine that 🙄. It hurts in plenty of other situations too 😁 so why wouldn't it be like that then?
And it’s just... I don't know, it feels like it's tearing you apart, just in case. Or maybe a lot, depending on how it goes.
Then they just sort of shove a baby into you after a few minutes without even asking, "Hey, is this okay?"
I'm positive it hurts.

But then again, if it's like that, why do we even have kids in the first place?

I'm genuinely curious how long it would take for humanity to go extinct if men were the ones giving birth—including all the medical stuff from the groin down.

And I bet a huge chunk of them would be just dying to have five kids on the go.

Actually, I think most people would just call it quits on reproduction entirely if their doctor gave them a rectal exam during the first checkup.🤣
Richard Richardson68 Richard Richardson68 Member
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#89 ·
Why are you even so sure about that? 😁
Angela Newman33 Angela Newman33 Active Member
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#90 ·
Richard Richardson68 said:Why are you even so sure about that? 😁

It's because most people just don't want to deal with those areas—not even for medical reasons🙂
and honestly, that's pretty much everyone.
Richard Richardson68 Richard Richardson68 Member
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#91 ·
From what I’ve seen, she always felt way more uncomfortable—or honestly, just said the exams were much rougher—when she was seeing a female gynecologist instead of a guy.
Is it that whole thing where women just don't get each other, or... what?
dustyfox4 dustyfox4 Newcomer
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#92 ·
Personally, I think it’s much better to have one or two kids and give them your full attention—rather than just churning them out one after another. I once knew a couple who had a baby every single year of their marriage. They’ve only been married four years, and they're already acting all proud of how "prolific" they are, even though the grandparents are basically doing all the actual parenting.
dustyfox4 dustyfox4 Newcomer
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#93 ·
I’ve noticed the exact same thing. That’s why I usually prefer seeing male gynecologists—they tend to be a bit more patient and always do a better job at explaining things clearly.
Angela Newman33 Angela Newman33 Active Member
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#94 ·
dustyfox4 said:I’ve noticed the exact same thing. That’s why I usually prefer seeing male gynecologists—they tend to be a bit more patient and always do a better job at explaining things clearly.

I haven't really tried going to a guy myself—my first experience was so awkward I just gave up and stuck to female doctors.

He was this old dude who seemed totally out of it and had serious bad breath, so I basically bolted before they even called my name.

Besides, I've never had any bad run-ins with female gynecologists.

We're drifting pretty far off topic here... we should probably get back to the point before the moderators come sniffing around.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#95 ·
Richard Richardson68 said:I mean, giving birth to a kid—like, a full-grown human being—and thinking it won't hurt? You can't even imagine that 🙄. It hurts in plenty of other situations too 😁 so why wouldn't it be like that then?
And it’s just... I don't know, it feels like it's tearing you apart, just in case. Or maybe a lot, depending on how it goes.
Then they just sort of shove a baby into you after a few minutes without even asking, "Hey, is this okay?"
I'm positive it hurts.

But then again, if it's like that, why do we even have kids in the first place?

To pass on our genes—nature totally pulled a fast one on us!
Richard Richardson68 Richard Richardson68 Member
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#96 ·
Either I get this work done and head home before my boss catches me...🙂
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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#97 ·
I’m an only child—my parents did everything humanly possible to provide for me, really busting their backs over my upbringing... they obsessed over every little triviality, and my mother, in particular, was quite taxing—borderline neurotic, honestly. And despite all their frantic efforts, I rarely felt any real connection to the values they were trying to instill

I’ve often thought about what it would be like to have a large family at some point—maybe after I hit 30—with a wife who actually has some agency, and perhaps four or five children... I’d make sure they had the basics and finished high school, but beyond that? They can figure out the rest of life on their own

I have this nagging suspicion that they might actually turn out to be better people that way
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#98 ·
I think you really need at least two kids so they aren't just an only child. Having five children, well... if you ask me, that feels a bit antisocial.
How are you supposed to give that many kids quality time? How do you make sure they all get enough attention and love?
Honestly, having a ton of kids just so you have someone to look after you when you're old is incredibly selfish.
I had my child because I wanted one so badly, and I haven't given a single thought to whether they'll take care of me when I grow old.
But I'm certain they will, because I’ve poured so much love into them, and they clearly show it right back to me.
neondrifter17 neondrifter17 Newcomer
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#99 ·
briskpuma23 said:I know it’s not exactly trendy to advocate for large families these days, unless you’re coming from the Catholic Church—but it’s easy for them to talk when they don't even recognize their own kids.

To be clear, my stance on needing at least five kids has nothing to do with some nonsense about "procreation" or any kind of moral crusade.

The truth is, you have children for your own sake.

When our time finally runs out, most people—especially people today—will find it pretty hard to sing My Way while looking back at their lives as a selfless sacrifice for others. There's no way. Most of us are just focused on how to cut corners, how to get the most out of life while spending the least, how to hustle, how to score a weekend trip to a beach house, then head to work, maybe join a committee, and so on. In short, we'd rather people didn't judge us by our actions.

And given the kind of shallow people society has turned us into, we can barely manage to bring one child into this world; having two would already feel like an incredible sacrifice.

Because we are so spiritually numb and, let's be honest, lazy and immature, we’ll probably end up ruining the kid too. We’ll pass all our neuroses down to them, instill hypochondria and cynicism, blast them with antibiotics the second they cough, and then complain at the office about how "fragile" our child is. Besides, if you spend your time talking about your kid at work, only the worst kind of boss would actually trust you with a serious project. So, that one child becomes the perfect excuse to stay lazy and avoid doing any real work.

But again, after fifty or sixty years of dodging actual life, retirement rolls around with its tiny pension, and you realize that your one precious child doesn't really love you. They’re busy living their own selfish little lives with an equally rotten spouse and an only child of their own—an obnoxious, spoiled brat who won't even bother to visit Grandma. That's when you realize you have nobody.

That wouldn't happen if you had managed to have five kids. Granted, one would probably be an idiot. One might get hit by a bus, but that still leaves you with three healthy individuals. Healthy because, by necessity, they had to learn how to share, and because you didn't have enough time to focus all your dysfunction on just one person, they didn't develop those stupid neuroses. Plus, a big family naturally builds a competitive spirit, starting from when they're toddlers fighting over fries at McDonald's during a Happy Meal you take them to on Sundays because you're too lazy to cook a Sunday roast.

And those three healthy ones will actually love you. They’ll remember how warm and happy the home felt, conveniently forgetting the fact that it was only warm because you could only afford to give them one bedroom. They’ll turn all the flaws of their upbringing into beautiful memories. And they’ll take care of you in your old age because they grew up to be decent people. When you die, someone will actually cry for you. And honestly, there’s nothing more a person can wish for than that.

So, is that really it for you? Is that the whole point of living?
Just having a bunch of kids and secretly hoping someone will bring you a cup of tea when you're elderly and frail? 😕

When I’m an old lady, absolutely not, but NEVER would I want my child to have to take care of me and wipe my ass for me—no. Because at the end of the day, I love my child so much that I’m not such a selfish jerk that I’d make my own existence a burden on them in my twilight years. ☕

There are assisted living facilities for that, not children.

The truth is, the selfish ones are the people who expect their kids to carry them on their backs once they grow old and helpless. In a way, that's just fundamentally wrong.

Furthermore,

In my view, the purpose of life definitely isn't about cranking out a massive brood, because I honestly can't see why on earth I would do that. For whom? Myself? My husband? The world? Society?
wtf?

Personally, I find the most frustrating people are those who have a dozen kids and then can't even afford to feed them. Seriously, I feel like there should be a law preventing people like that from having more children.

The most fascinating case I know was a woman who had three absolute idiots for children. She's a distant relative of mine. This woman used to be a powerhouse; she literally had everything.
And then she decided she shouldn't have had those three kids...
You want to know what her life looks like now? All three of them are ungrateful jerks who were raised identically, yet all equally messed up.
They never learned how to stand on their own two feet; instead, they were leeching off her for money as soon as they were old enough to work. They even threatened her for cash. It's actually embarrassing to go into the details.

Now that she's older and her health is failing, she is quite literally broken. Both financially and physically. She used to be a stunning woman, and now she's just a shell of her former self. It's tragic.
It sounds harsh, but she would have been much better off if she had never had children at all.
Regardless, nowadays, kids just don't give a damn about their parents. They've exploited her, ruined her, and now they're finally satisfied.

Bottom line:
Life is unpredictable and messy, and you truly never know how things will turn out or what kind of adults your children will become.
The lucky parents are the ones whose kids move out, find their independence, and carve out their own paths. That, in itself, is a massive success.
quietranger15 quietranger15 Newcomer
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#100 ·
briskpuma23 said:I know it’s not exactly trendy to advocate for large families these days, unless you’re coming from the Catholic Church—but it’s easy for them to talk when they don't even recognize their own kids.

To be clear, my stance on needing at least five kids has nothing to do with some nonsense about "procreation" or any kind of moral crusade.

The truth is, you have children for your own sake.

When our time finally runs out, most people—especially people today—will find it pretty hard to sing My Way while looking back at their lives as a selfless sacrifice for others. There's no way. Most of us are just focused on how to cut corners, how to get the most out of life while spending the least, how to hustle, how to score a weekend trip to a beach house, then head to work, maybe join a committee, and so on. In short, we'd rather people didn't judge us by our actions.

And given the kind of shallow people society has turned us into, we can barely manage to bring one child into this world; having two would already feel like an incredible sacrifice.

Because we are so spiritually numb and, let's be honest, lazy and immature, we’ll probably end up ruining the kid too. We’ll pass all our neuroses down to them, instill hypochondria and cynicism, blast them with antibiotics the second they cough, and then complain at the office about how "fragile" our child is. Besides, if you spend your time talking about your kid at work, only the worst kind of boss would actually trust you with a serious project. So, that one child becomes the perfect excuse to stay lazy and avoid doing any real work.

But again, after fifty or sixty years of dodging actual life, retirement rolls around with its tiny pension, and you realize that your one precious child doesn't really love you. They’re busy living their own selfish little lives with an equally rotten spouse and an only child of their own—an obnoxious, spoiled brat who won't even bother to visit Grandma. That's when you realize you have nobody.

That wouldn't happen if you had managed to have five kids. Granted, one would probably be an idiot. One might get hit by a bus, but that still leaves you with three healthy individuals. Healthy because, by necessity, they had to learn how to share, and because you didn't have enough time to focus all your dysfunction on just one person, they didn't develop those stupid neuroses. Plus, a big family naturally builds a competitive spirit, starting from when they're toddlers fighting over fries at McDonald's during a Happy Meal you take them to on Sundays because you're too lazy to cook a Sunday roast.

And those three healthy ones will actually love you. They’ll remember how warm and happy the home felt, conveniently forgetting the fact that it was only warm because you could only afford to give them one bedroom. They’ll turn all the flaws of their upbringing into beautiful memories. And they’ll take care of you in your old age because they grew up to be decent people. When you die, someone will actually cry for you. And honestly, there’s nothing more a person can wish for than that.

So come on, briskpuma, tell us—how many kids have you got running around? Are you getting close to hitting that magic number yet? 😉

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