Ladies only: Would you ever want to experience life from a man's perspective?

I could never see myself being a lesbian, but I honestly wouldn't mind playing the role of a man for a little while just to experience what it’s like to be with a woman... though, if the most attractive guy in the world walked through my door, I’m still passing. It’s almost sad how much easier life seems to be when you're a guy—it's a depressing thought, really. I guess we can take a tiny bit of comfort in knowing we're better looking, even if that feels like a pretty weak consolation prize...
Lucky_star 👍 for the reasons

lonegardener said:Unlike men, a woman can be *certain* she gave birth to *her* child. (Assuming she’s fertile and everything, of course.) A man can only really hope he actually is the father. 🤣

What I mean is, even if a rare mistake happens—like a hospital mix-up at a place like Mayo Clinic 😲—a woman still *knows* for a fact she is the mother of that specific child.

A man can only 'trust'—either his partner or some doctors talking about DNA blah blah blah, which, let's face it, could be wrong. Maybe they're being bribed, whatever. 😈 Bottom line, he can almost never be truly 'sure.' (*)

Don't underestimate that distinction...

(*) To be fair—apologies for my OCD here 😬—I should mention that sadistic scenario where a man *could* be certain he's the father: if he keeps the woman in a high-security, windowless bunker under total lockdown with every modern safeguard imaginable. Honestly, if someone is that insane, they'd probably still have doubts unless Zeus himself materialized in that bunker to conceive a Perzej. 😂

I don't trust you.

😁

Jamie Jackson3 said:As for me, I voted for the permanent route, even though those who opted for the three-month trial seem more sensible—assuming they find they enjoy it and decide to extend the term.😁 After all, there is no guarantee we would actually like it.🤷
I previously mentioned my choice in the main thread, but here is the breakdown of my motivations:

The ability to walk around shirtless during the summer
Having zero cellulite
Never having to deal with hair removal again
Being able to commit traffic violations to my heart's content without being dismissed as just another incompetent woman behind the wheel
Not having people constantly pestering me about when I plan to get married
Being able to have children whenever I choose (perhaps in my 40s😁), rather than being limited to my youth
Eliminating periods entirely, which means no ruined vacations due to cramps, no nausea, no pain, no bleeding, no messy discharges, no pills, no injections, and no swollen breasts
Avoiding pregnancy and childbirth altogether, so I don't end up physically wrecked and needing stitches after labor
No one taking offense if I stay late at the office
Finding a female companion willing to pick up my laundry for free—without it being my mother😁
Finally understanding what makes beer so appealing
Hearing the actual conversations that happen in men's locker rooms and restrooms
Securing a higher salary
No longer feeling the constant need to prove myself
Not having construction workers turning their heads or catcalling me
Being able to retain my maiden name after marriage without facing societal judgment
Gaining a greater level of respect
Walking like a normal human being outdoors without destroying my hips, spine, and feet by wearing high heels
The freedom to do absolutely nothing all day except jerk off and complain about how hard life is
Being able to completely let myself go, look terrible, and still charm the most beautiful women, given the widely held belief that women are attracted to personality and soul rather than mere aesthetics😛

So, those are my reasons.😁
If I recall any others, I shall list them accordingly.

I second everything in that last part! 👍 If I had been given the choice from the start, I would have chosen to be born male. Now, I just wish I could pick my gender based on the situation. 😁

I can see so much more clearly when I step back and just analyze things from this perspective... honestly, there isn't a single day in my life where I feel any need to be a man.
...I am completely content being a woman.

The only thing that really gets under my skin is how women are treated in this society... you know, the whole question of what our actual role is supposed to be. But maybe that’s a whole different conversation... or maybe it isn't.

Rebecca Scott3 said:I can see so much more clearly when I step back and just analyze things from this perspective... honestly, there isn't a single day in my life where I feel any need to be a man.
...I am completely content being a woman.

The only thing that really gets under my skin is how women are treated in this society... you know, the whole question of what our actual role is supposed to be. But maybe that’s a whole different conversation... or maybe it isn't.

I really love everything she wrote—that’s why I felt the need to quote her. 😁

Most of the struggles that come with being a woman are manageable—except for the whole childbearing thing. Honestly, I’d love to have kids, but I’d rather skip the actual labor part. So, either you have to be a man, or someone needs to invent an artificial womb that handles those nine months outside of a woman's body...🙂

slymaker9 said:Do you know what they call a woman who acts like a man?

A lazy bitch.

🤣

Jokes aside, I am genuinely curious: would women actually want to experience life from a man's perspective—say, standing at about 6'3"—and if so, for how long?

In a heartbeat. Give me three months and I'd probably run a whole circus town. 😁

Karen Ortiz83 said:I really love everything she wrote—that’s why I felt the need to quote her. 😁

Most of the struggles that come with being a woman are manageable—except for the whole childbearing thing. Honestly, I’d love to have kids, but I’d rather skip the actual labor part. So, either you have to be a man, or someone needs to invent an artificial womb that handles those nine months outside of a woman's body...🙂

....pregnancy, giving birth, and caring for those little ones has been the absolute best part of my life.....I wouldn't trade any of it, even if an incubator existed...
....even though at the start of my pregnancy, the morning sickness was so bad I would actually pass out...
....that feeling of a second life growing inside you....the actual birth and breastfeeding....men miss out on that big time.....and so do women who don't have children...

slymaker9 said:Wait, what exactly makes those listed qualities "feminine"? It seems to me you've simply listed a set of virtues that could just as easily define a man as they do a woman. 😕

They are unisex virtues.

Look, I love seeing those qualities in men too... but let's be real, it's just a different ballgame. Men and women don't operate on the exact same frequency. Sure, the definition of an emotion or a behavior might be the same—like being honest or being strong—but the way it actually manifests is totally different. That’s the distinction I’m making. It’s about how a woman loves when she loves, how she fights when she defends herself, how she... you know, blah blah blah. It doesn't mean a guy doesn't do those things or that he does them poorly; it's just a fundamentally different way of being.

Do people seriously not get what I'm driving at here? 🙂 How many weak, pathetic women do you know who can't even go to the bathroom without a boyfriend holding their hand, or who just weaponize their looks to get whatever they want, or who think they have a free pass to tear everyone apart just because they're having a bad week, or those "helpless" types who claim they can't do anything on their own? Just little, fragile girls constantly waiting for some hero to swoop in and save them. 🙂
When a woman isn't like that, that's what I actually respect. Because she actually has the choice to be that way or not.

Sean Cruz said:Yes. To be perfectly honest, I can't quite recall my exact reasoning when I wrote my previous post. 🤔 🤣

In principle, if a man wants sex without any emotional attachment, from both genders' perspectives, it’s probably most appropriate that he pays a prostitute.

Well, there is quite a lot in what you've written that I disagree with. In truth, I find myself feeling a certain level of empathy for women who sell their bodies... it seems incredibly tragic to me.

It is always difficult to decipher someone else's true intentions, though typically it is easier with more intelligent people.
With a foolish person, you can't deduce anything from their behavior, because they simply act foolishly, and stupidity is infinite.😉

I make an effort to avoid fools—in all aspects of life, including here on this forum. 😁 Actually, I tend to be irritating to most of them, so I don't even have to try. 🤣

It is truly unfortunate when such things occur due to a series of unfortunate circumstances; it is a tragedy.😢😲
Even in those specific instances, there usually comes a moment where an exit strategy presents itself, giving them the opportunity to decide exactly how they want to proceed.
It usually comes down to a matter of career choice. People often opt for the path of least resistance—chasing quick money or taking the easiest route available. It’s a decision I simply don't understand.
I feel like they rationalize their professions in a way that is fundamentally at odds with my own personality. I don't particularly empathize with them, if I'm being honest. Perhaps I just feel a sense of pity for them, much like I do for Vlatko Pokos and Simon Gotovac.
I am certain that prostitution will always exist in society.

Morgan Martin7 said:I could never see myself being a lesbian, but I honestly wouldn't mind playing the role of a man for a little while just to experience what it’s like to be with a woman... though, if the most attractive guy in the world walked through my door, I’m still passing. It’s almost sad how much easier life seems to be when you're a guy—it's a depressing thought, really. I guess we can take a tiny bit of comfort in knowing we're better looking, even if that feels like a pretty weak consolation prize...
Lucky_star 👍 for the reasons

Interesting thought. How can you be so sure that if you were a man, you wouldn't find yourself gravitating toward men instead of women?🤷

Karen Ortiz83 said:I second everything in that last part! 👍 If I had been given the choice from the start, I would have chosen to be born male. Now, I just wish I could pick my gender based on the situation. 😁

Smart move. Very smart.
This would be perfect in bold.

Rebecca Scott3 said:I can see so much more clearly when I step back and just analyze things from this perspective... honestly, there isn't a single day in my life where I feel any need to be a man.
...I am completely content being a woman.

The only thing that really gets under my skin is how women are treated in this society... you know, the whole question of what our actual role is supposed to be. But maybe that’s a whole different conversation... or maybe it isn't.

It is not a separate topic.🙂

northerneagle3 said:Look, I love seeing those qualities in men too... but let's be real, it's just a different ballgame. Men and women don't operate on the exact same frequency. Sure, the definition of an emotion or a behavior might be the same—like being honest or being strong—but the way it actually manifests is totally different. That’s the distinction I’m making. It’s about how a woman loves when she loves, how she fights when she defends herself, how she... you know, blah blah blah. It doesn't mean a guy doesn't do those things or that he does them poorly; it's just a fundamentally different way of being.

Do people seriously not get what I'm driving at here? 🙂 How many weak, pathetic women do you know who can't even go to the bathroom without a boyfriend holding their hand, or who just weaponize their looks to get whatever they want, or who think they have a free pass to tear everyone apart just because they're having a bad week, or those "helpless" types who claim they can't do anything on their own? Just little, fragile girls constantly waiting for some hero to swoop in and save them. 🙂
When a woman isn't like that, that's what I actually respect. Because she actually has the choice to be that way or not.

The issue isn't that we fail to understand your point; rather, this forum is a place for discussion, where members enrich one another and refine their perspectives if someone presents a compelling argument. To debate a viewpoint, one must first state it and, ideally, explain it.
If you have the inclination and the time, I would like you to explain how this "ideal" woman expresses those same qualities that a man also possesses, just differently..

To me, all women are valid. Some deserve my respect and others do not, but every woman is genuine and expresses her femininity in her own unique way.

This might seem slightly contradictory to what I wrote above, Sean Cruz, but does every woman truly have a full range of choice? Or is it partially determined by genetics, upbringing, social environment, and circumstance?

We are not identical; we are all different. Regardless of what the Declaration of Independence or any other document states, we were created with diversity, and no piece of paper or person can undo that.

I have to point out that women are frequently labeled as indecisive or as people who don't actually know what they want, yet if you look at the survey results, nobody even chose the "I don't know" option.

slymaker9 said:It is truly unfortunate when such things occur due to a series of unfortunate circumstances; it is a tragedy.😢😲
Even in those specific instances, there usually comes a moment where an exit strategy presents itself, giving them the opportunity to decide exactly how they want to proceed.
It usually comes down to a matter of career choice. People often opt for the path of least resistance—chasing quick money or taking the easiest route available. It’s a decision I simply don't understand.
I feel like they rationalize their professions in a way that is fundamentally at odds with my own personality. I don't particularly empathize with them, if I'm being honest. Perhaps I just feel a sense of pity for them, much like I do for Vlatko Pokos and Simon Gotovac.
I am certain that prostitution will always exist in society.

Interesting thought. How can you be so sure that if you were a man, you wouldn't find yourself gravitating toward men instead of women?🤷

Smart move. Very smart.
This would be perfect in bold.

It is not a separate topic.🙂

The issue isn't that we fail to understand your point; rather, this forum is a place for discussion, where members enrich one another and refine their perspectives if someone presents a compelling argument. To debate a viewpoint, one must first state it and, ideally, explain it.
If you have the inclination and the time, I would like you to explain how this "ideal" woman expresses those same qualities that a man also possesses, just differently..

To me, all women are valid. Some deserve my respect and others do not, but every woman is genuine and expresses her femininity in her own unique way.

This might seem slightly contradictory to what I wrote above, Sean Cruz, but does every woman truly have a full range of choice? Or is it partially determined by genetics, upbringing, social environment, and circumstance?

We are not identical; we are all different. Regardless of what the Declaration of Independence or any other document states, we were created with diversity, and no piece of paper or person can undo that.

I recently watched the movie human trafficking. It was terrifying, but what really hit me hardest was the child exploitation aspect.

Even in those situations, there usually comes a moment where an exit strategy opens up, giving them the chance to choose a different path.

I'm not so sure that actually happens as often as you'd think.

More often than not, it boils down to career choices—picking the path of least resistance or the quickest way to make some cash. It's a choice I personally can't wrap my head around.

I can somewhat understand the motivation behind these women's actions, though I certainly don't view it as an excuse. On the surface, working a grueling manual labor job for pennies seems harder than sex work, but once you look deeper, the reality shifts. It might be "easier" in terms of immediate cash, but how much of that money actually belongs to them? You've usually got pimps, organized crime syndicates, and various handlers involved. Besides, nowadays, they don't even have to label themselves that way; being a "sugar baby" is a common enough cover.😁

I think they rationalize their profession in a way that is fundamentally alien to my own personality. I don't necessarily feel empathy for them. If anything, I just feel pity, similar to how I might feel for people like Vlatko Pokos or Simon Gotovac.

I don't pity them. My sense of empathy is directed more toward the emotional weight of imagining myself in such a situation. I recognize that they process things through a completely different lens than I do—at least most of those who can stomach that kind of work just to live a more carefree lifestyle.

But I am certain that sex workers will always exist in society.

Of course, demand creates supply, and that's a constant. But the most tragic demand of all is the demand for children. 😢

slymaker9 said:It is truly unfortunate when such things occur due to a series of unfortunate circumstances; it is a tragedy.😢😲
Even in those specific instances, there usually comes a moment where an exit strategy presents itself, giving them the opportunity to decide exactly how they want to proceed.
It usually comes down to a matter of career choice. People often opt for the path of least resistance—chasing quick money or taking the easiest route available. It’s a decision I simply don't understand.
I feel like they rationalize their professions in a way that is fundamentally at odds with my own personality. I don't particularly empathize with them, if I'm being honest. Perhaps I just feel a sense of pity for them, much like I do for Vlatko Pokos and Simon Gotovac.
I am certain that prostitution will always exist in society.

Interesting thought. How can you be so sure that if you were a man, you wouldn't find yourself gravitating toward men instead of women?🤷

Smart move. Very smart.
This would be perfect in bold.

It is not a separate topic.🙂

The issue isn't that we fail to understand your point; rather, this forum is a place for discussion, where members enrich one another and refine their perspectives if someone presents a compelling argument. To debate a viewpoint, one must first state it and, ideally, explain it.
If you have the inclination and the time, I would like you to explain how this "ideal" woman expresses those same qualities that a man also possesses, just differently..

To me, all women are valid. Some deserve my respect and others do not, but every woman is genuine and expresses her femininity in her own unique way.

This might seem slightly contradictory to what I wrote above, Sean Cruz, but does every woman truly have a full range of choice? Or is it partially determined by genetics, upbringing, social environment, and circumstance?

We are not identical; we are all different. Regardless of what the Declaration of Independence or any other document states, we were created with diversity, and no piece of paper or person can undo that.

Aha, okay, I thought I made myself clear, but no big deal at all! I think I finally see where we're tripping over each other... I'm a bit slammed right now and I want to make sure I lay this out clearly and thoroughly, so I'll carve out some time either later tonight or tomorrow morning to write it all down properly.
Catch you later then. 👍

Morgan Martin7 said:I could never see myself being a lesbian, but I honestly wouldn't mind playing the role of a man for a little while just to experience what it’s like to be with a woman... though, if the most attractive guy in the world walked through my door, I’m still passing. It’s almost sad how much easier life seems to be when you're a guy—it's a depressing thought, really. I guess we can take a tiny bit of comfort in knowing we're better looking, even if that feels like a pretty weak consolation prize...
Lucky_star 👍 for the reasons

The entire discussion could be distilled down to this single sentence.
It isn't necessarily better or worse; it’s simply more straightforward when you're a man.👍

slymaker9 said:It is truly unfortunate when such things occur due to a series of unfortunate circumstances; it is a tragedy.😢😲
Even in those specific instances, there usually comes a moment where an exit strategy presents itself, giving them the opportunity to decide exactly how they want to proceed.
It usually comes down to a matter of career choice. People often opt for the path of least resistance—chasing quick money or taking the easiest route available. It’s a decision I simply don't understand.
I feel like they rationalize their professions in a way that is fundamentally at odds with my own personality. I don't particularly empathize with them, if I'm being honest. Perhaps I just feel a sense of pity for them, much like I do for Vlatko Pokos and Simon Gotovac.
I am certain that prostitution will always exist in society.

Interesting thought. How can you be so sure that if you were a man, you wouldn't find yourself gravitating toward men instead of women?🤷

Smart move. Very smart.
This would be perfect in bold.

It is not a separate topic.🙂

The issue isn't that we fail to understand your point; rather, this forum is a place for discussion, where members enrich one another and refine their perspectives if someone presents a compelling argument. To debate a viewpoint, one must first state it and, ideally, explain it.
If you have the inclination and the time, I would like you to explain how this "ideal" woman expresses those same qualities that a man also possesses, just differently..

To me, all women are valid. Some deserve my respect and others do not, but every woman is genuine and expresses her femininity in her own unique way.

This might seem slightly contradictory to what I wrote above, Sean Cruz, but does every woman truly have a full range of choice? Or is it partially determined by genetics, upbringing, social environment, and circumstance?

We are not identical; we are all different. Regardless of what the Declaration of Independence or any other document states, we were created with diversity, and no piece of paper or person can undo that.

Well, because I’ve spent enough time overthinking this to be pretty certain—I know I wouldn't... I mean, looking at things from where I am now, I'm drawn to men, so if the roles were reversed, I’d likely just be looking at women. Of course, I'll never actually be able to prove my theory, but I'm fairly confident that's how it would play out 😁

Morgan Martin7 said:Well, because I’ve spent enough time overthinking this to be pretty certain—I know I wouldn't... I mean, looking at things from where I am now, I'm drawn to men, so if the roles were reversed, I’d likely just be looking at women. Of course, I'll never actually be able to prove my theory, but I'm fairly confident that's how it would play out 😁

Besides, frankly, it shouldn't matter who triggers that reaction in you—men and women are all built with the same basic biological imperatives, so you might as well choose whoever you prefer.🤣

I mean, look, I don't have anything against him personally, but the whole thing is just... distasteful. I really don't want any part of it. If I’m already spending my time daydreaming about being a guy, why on earth would I need another one added to the mix? I’m perfectly fine as I am—besides, I’d much rather spend my time fantasizing about how it feels to be the one doing the pinning down rather than worrying about some guy like 🤮
...

Seriously, just think about it—you’re stuck in some kind of dystopian nightmare where everything is wrapped in black and you can barely see out of your own eyes. You have no say in anything, you aren't even allowed to leave your house... it's just a list of horrors at this point. I honestly don't get how we ever let things get this far—like, shouldn't the people behind these kinds of ideas be women who were at their most vulnerable, or maybe caught sleeping, just so they could be targeted the very next day? It would be like being 🙂 totally 🙂 including those women who simply didn't know how to stand up for themselves. Maybe I'm overreacting, though I've actually toned down what I really wanted to say

Sean Cruz said:I don't trust you.

😁

Fritzl + Greek mythology😢

Sometimes I wish that device from Men in Black actually existed—you know, the one that wipes your brain clean. 🤣

I’d be first in line... though, honestly, I probably wouldn't be able to help myself. It would be mighty hard to resist.

Morgan Martin7 said:I mean, look, I don't have anything against him personally, but the whole thing is just... distasteful. I really don't want any part of it. If I’m already spending my time daydreaming about being a guy, why on earth would I need another one added to the mix? I’m perfectly fine as I am—besides, I’d much rather spend my time fantasizing about how it feels to be the one doing the pinning down rather than worrying about some guy like 🤮
...

I'm just speaking hypothetically😁 (because if you actually found yourself attracted to men, you wouldn't find it so repulsive).
The crux of the matter is that, for this specific discussion, that's beside the point. My interest in living in a male body isn't driven by sexual attraction to women or anything of the sort; rather, it stems from certain practical considerations.😁

Sean Cruz said:I recently watched the movie human trafficking. It was terrifying, but what really hit me hardest was the child exploitation aspect.

Even in those situations, there usually comes a moment where an exit strategy opens up, giving them the chance to choose a different path.

I'm not so sure that actually happens as often as you'd think.

More often than not, it boils down to career choices—picking the path of least resistance or the quickest way to make some cash. It's a choice I personally can't wrap my head around.

I can somewhat understand the motivation behind these women's actions, though I certainly don't view it as an excuse. On the surface, working a grueling manual labor job for pennies seems harder than sex work, but once you look deeper, the reality shifts. It might be "easier" in terms of immediate cash, but how much of that money actually belongs to them? You've usually got pimps, organized crime syndicates, and various handlers involved. Besides, nowadays, they don't even have to label themselves that way; being a "sugar baby" is a common enough cover.😁

I think they rationalize their profession in a way that is fundamentally alien to my own personality. I don't necessarily feel empathy for them. If anything, I just feel pity, similar to how I might feel for people like Vlatko Pokos or Simon Gotovac.

I don't pity them. My sense of empathy is directed more toward the emotional weight of imagining myself in such a situation. I recognize that they process things through a completely different lens than I do—at least most of those who can stomach that kind of work just to live a more carefree lifestyle.

But I am certain that sex workers will always exist in society.

Of course, demand creates supply, and that's a constant. But the most tragic demand of all is the demand for children. 😢

People can be incredibly inhumane.
Child trafficking and sexual exploitation are particularly horrific because, when facing an adult, children are undeniably the weaker party and are completely powerless.

I understand (to an extent) the motivation behind such women, though I cannot accept it as a mitigating factor. On the surface, it might seem easier to enter prostitution than to work manual labor jobs for pennies, but when you look deeper, the situation is reversed. It is "easier," conditionally speaking, because of the money, but the question is how much of that money actually belongs to them, given that pimps and the mafia are usually involved. Of course, women today don't even have to label themselves that way—being a "sugar baby" is enough.😁
I don't pity them; my empathy is directed more toward a deeper emotional level regarding how I process such a situation. I recognize that they think in a fundamentally different way than I do. At least, most of those whose stomachs can handle that kind of work just to live more comfortably.

Personally, I would find manual labor far easier than prostitution, without question.
But that is just me; I believe some women see prostitution as an easier path to survival. Truly easier, because they view it through a completely different lens.
They view their bodies and sexuality as tools for income, just as I view my intellect as a tool in my profession.
I pity them precisely because I believe this mindset is deeply self-defeating and degrading, and that this rationalization will eventually collapse if they live long enough.😢

Naturally, demand will always exist, and with it, supply. To me, the most tragic demand is the one for children.😢

There should really be draconian penalties for child trafficking and sexual exploitation. However, the real issue is that pedophilia is a disorder, making both the child and the adult essentially victims in the eyes of psychology. Severe punishments should be reserved specifically for the traffickers and pimps who act purely out of greed.

Jamie Jackson3 said:The entire discussion could be distilled down to this single sentence.
It isn't necessarily better or worse; it’s simply more straightforward when you're a man.👍

I have a question for Apemant: do you agree with this premise?

Morgan Martin7 said:Seriously, just think about it—you’re stuck in some kind of dystopian nightmare where everything is wrapped in black and you can barely see out of your own eyes. You have no say in anything, you aren't even allowed to leave your house... it's just a list of horrors at this point. I honestly don't get how we ever let things get this far—like, shouldn't the people behind these kinds of ideas be women who were at their most vulnerable, or maybe caught sleeping, just so they could be targeted the very next day? It would be like being 🙂 totally 🙂 including those women who simply didn't know how to stand up for themselves. Maybe I'm overreacting, though I've actually toned down what I really wanted to say

Lani was in Tunis, and I have generally observed that in certain Islamic countries, women can actually find themselves in much better positions and receive more respect than in the West. Once you scratch beneath the surface, you realize it isn't that simple.

lonegardener said:Fritzl + Greek mythology😢

Sometimes I wish that device from Men in Black actually existed—you know, the one that wipes your brain clean. 🤣

I’d be first in line... though, honestly, I probably wouldn't be able to help myself. It would be mighty hard to resist.

I have a link for you:
http://news.us/crime/story...5/0073006.html 😲

So, ladies, if you were unfaithful, never admit the child isn't the husband's.

Tell me, do you believe that life is, in principle, simpler for men?