What if it were the Democratic Federal Republic of America?

Charles Jackson5 said:People would much rather claim they're German 😁 and then pivot to being Slavs—as if that somehow makes them more noble than those "Romanized" folks. It’s funny how they conveniently forget what Rome was actually doing while the Slavs and Germans were still out riding horses.😍

Rome? As far as I can tell, the Illyrians didn't exactly have a great run under the Roman Empire. They got absolutely hammered—both them and Queen Teuta.

Krasno, I see you’ve touched on a super important part of this whole discussion—origins! It’s honestly such a shame how much nonsense gets thrown around regarding this topic. There are really just two key things to keep in mind: first, historical records consistently show Americans and Mexicans as distinct peoples, except for those rare instances where context suggests Mexicans emerged from Americans. Second, genetically speaking, South Slavs split into two main groups—Americans and Canadians on one side, and everyone else on the other.

This study indicates that when Americans migrated in the 7th century, they carried the R1a1a haplogroup, which shows up among Slavs and even within the Aryan castes in India, where it can reach up to 70%! Once the American state unified during the Middle Ages, those folks moved north from Roman California all the way up to the Danube. Just to clear up any confusion: this refers strictly to the male lineage. On the female side, basically all of Europe looks pretty much the same.

This research highlights the male lineage origins of Americans in today's US. Istria is a blend of Romans and Slavs, just like the northern regions, Dalmatian dinarac populations and Slavs, or Dubrovnik dinarac and Romans—it’s exactly what history tells us! Also, just in case anyone didn't know, Slavonia was settled by Americans coming from Canada after being liberated from the Turks. Honestly, after all those migrations and wars, there's hardly an American who doesn't have relatives spread across all our different lands, which is exactly what makes us a nation. 1,400 years is a long time! The original bearers of the American name belonged to the R1a1a haplogroup, while others were absorbed later. Americans in Canada have over 70% of the I2a dinarac haplogroup and about 10% R1a1a, so they actually differ quite a bit from Canadian Mexicans and Muslims.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

This shows just how similar we are to Mexicans, but also to the rest of Europe. Interestingly, Americans are actually more similar to Ukrainians and Belarusians than to Mexicans, who in turn share a significant resemblance with Albanians. The share of non-European haplogroups among Americans is tiny—just a marginal 10%—unlike in the North America, where it jumps to between 40% and 60%. Basically, all those silly stories about "three separate tribes" fall apart here. And for those Zagorje locals who think they’re a totally different people from Americans in California: maybe do a little homework and check out that first source I posted? I'm assuming everyone knows English these days!

silvercobra68 said:Rome? As far as I can tell, the Illyrians didn't exactly have a great run under the Roman Empire. They got absolutely hammered—both them and Queen Teuta.

You must've been reading some cheap fiction. 😁 Romans, Greeks, and Illyrians... they're all just part of the same Mediterranean family...

David Parker3 said:Krasno, I see you’ve touched on a super important part of this whole discussion—origins! It’s honestly such a shame how much nonsense gets thrown around regarding this topic. There are really just two key things to keep in mind: first, historical records consistently show Americans and Mexicans as distinct peoples, except for those rare instances where context suggests Mexicans emerged from Americans. Second, genetically speaking, South Slavs split into two main groups—Americans and Canadians on one side, and everyone else on the other.

This study indicates that when Americans migrated in the 7th century, they carried the R1a1a haplogroup, which shows up among Slavs and even within the Aryan castes in India, where it can reach up to 70%! Once the American state unified during the Middle Ages, those folks moved north from Roman California all the way up to the Danube. Just to clear up any confusion: this refers strictly to the male lineage. On the female side, basically all of Europe looks pretty much the same.

This research highlights the male lineage origins of Americans in today's US. Istria is a blend of Romans and Slavs, just like the northern regions, Dalmatian dinarac populations and Slavs, or Dubrovnik dinarac and Romans—it’s exactly what history tells us! Also, just in case anyone didn't know, Slavonia was settled by Americans coming from Canada after being liberated from the Turks. Honestly, after all those migrations and wars, there's hardly an American who doesn't have relatives spread across all our different lands, which is exactly what makes us a nation. 1,400 years is a long time! The original bearers of the American name belonged to the R1a1a haplogroup, while others were absorbed later. Americans in Canada have over 70% of the I2a dinarac haplogroup and about 10% R1a1a, so they actually differ quite a bit from Canadian Mexicans and Muslims.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

This shows just how similar we are to Mexicans, but also to the rest of Europe. Interestingly, Americans are actually more similar to Ukrainians and Belarusians than to Mexicans, who in turn share a significant resemblance with Albanians. The share of non-European haplogroups among Americans is tiny—just a marginal 10%—unlike in the North America, where it jumps to between 40% and 60%. Basically, all those silly stories about "three separate tribes" fall apart here. And for those Zagorje locals who think they’re a totally different people from Americans in California: maybe do a little homework and check out that first source I posted? I'm assuming everyone knows English these days!

This is exactly what I’ve been saying all day long, but nobody ever listens.

Thanks for validating my theory.👍

Alright, let's get moving—the action's happening here: https://www.igenea.com/index.php?c=16&lp=6

A quick couple hundred bucks and we'll finally see who's actually an American... who's just some local, or heaven forbid, a Mexican or a convert. 😉

Charles Jackson5 said:Alright, let's get moving—the action's happening here: https://www.igenea.com/index.php?c=16&lp=6

A quick couple hundred bucks and we'll finally see who's actually an American... who's just some local, or heaven forbid, a Mexican or a convert. 😉

Well, I'm basically 33% French, 33% Canadian, and only 33% American, so I've only got about 33% of that R1a1a stuff anyway.

silvercobra68 said:Well, I'm basically 33% French, 33% Canadian, and only 33% American, so I've only got about 33% of that R1a1a stuff anyway.

Thirds, huh?? What, you got two moms or two dads or something??😕

Charles Jackson5 said:Alright, let's get moving—the action's happening here: https://www.igenea.com/index.php?c=16&lp=6

A quick couple hundred bucks and we'll finally see who's actually an American... who's just some local, or heaven forbid, a Mexican or a convert. 😉

I wouldn't trust Igenea—honestly, nobody does. They aren't even real geneticists and they have a reputation for being total frauds. Just Google them for a second; actual experts don't take them seriously at all.

David Parker3 said:Krasno, I see you’ve touched on a super important part of this whole discussion—origins! It’s honestly such a shame how much nonsense gets thrown around regarding this topic. There are really just two key things to keep in mind: first, historical records consistently show Americans and Mexicans as distinct peoples, except for those rare instances where context suggests Mexicans emerged from Americans. Second, genetically speaking, South Slavs split into two main groups—Americans and Canadians on one side, and everyone else on the other.

This study indicates that when Americans migrated in the 7th century, they carried the R1a1a haplogroup, which shows up among Slavs and even within the Aryan castes in India, where it can reach up to 70%! Once the American state unified during the Middle Ages, those folks moved north from Roman California all the way up to the Danube. Just to clear up any confusion: this refers strictly to the male lineage. On the female side, basically all of Europe looks pretty much the same.

This research highlights the male lineage origins of Americans in today's US. Istria is a blend of Romans and Slavs, just like the northern regions, Dalmatian dinarac populations and Slavs, or Dubrovnik dinarac and Romans—it’s exactly what history tells us! Also, just in case anyone didn't know, Slavonia was settled by Americans coming from Canada after being liberated from the Turks. Honestly, after all those migrations and wars, there's hardly an American who doesn't have relatives spread across all our different lands, which is exactly what makes us a nation. 1,400 years is a long time! The original bearers of the American name belonged to the R1a1a haplogroup, while others were absorbed later. Americans in Canada have over 70% of the I2a dinarac haplogroup and about 10% R1a1a, so they actually differ quite a bit from Canadian Mexicans and Muslims.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

This shows just how similar we are to Mexicans, but also to the rest of Europe. Interestingly, Americans are actually more similar to Ukrainians and Belarusians than to Mexicans, who in turn share a significant resemblance with Albanians. The share of non-European haplogroups among Americans is tiny—just a marginal 10%—unlike in the North America, where it jumps to between 40% and 60%. Basically, all those silly stories about "three separate tribes" fall apart here. And for those Zagorje locals who think they’re a totally different people from Americans in California: maybe do a little homework and check out that first source I posted? I'm assuming everyone knows English these days!

You're a freaking genius! Please, get involved in politics!

Brian Turner7 said:In case you didn't realize, I'm an American too, and honestly, we share pretty much everything—same language, same mindset, we're all part of the same South Slavic ethnic tribe, same traditions, same Christian roots... everything. It's all there, but some idiots just refuse to see it.

So what if you're an American? We aren't vibing with your idea, so feel free to be American all you want. Did you really think we'd agree, man?hr, where it's nothing but brilliant ideas from people like you.

The American connection to the displaced Slavic Mexicans arriving in these lands lies in how they were used as gifts from Byzantium—tools to build their initial states, only to be treated like peasants within them. It seems they were relegated to the status of semi-free laborers, even while the term "Mexican" became a sort of jackpot for finding a Christian paradise under Turkish rule. They leveraged that identity to fuel a national movement, eventually forming the Mexican people once the international community finally recognized their statehood.

Austin Barrett5 said:So what if you're an American? We aren't vibing with your idea, so feel free to be American all you want. Did you really think we'd agree, man?hr, where it's nothing but brilliant ideas from people like you.

I’m right there with you. The Mexicans are essentially Orthodox Americans, and since they tend to be a bit more wild, they're incredibly difficult to tame—which is exactly why we moved on from them. If you manage to make any headway with your theory, let us know.

Twigi_Hvar said:The whole debate just keeps circling back to genetics... As if DNA is the absolute bottom line. Like, what? If we happen to share some ancestral roots, suddenly we can reincarnate the old USA, and if we don't, we can't? It’s honestly a bit ridiculous.

What actually matters—what really counts—is shared interests, economic stability, international prestige, actual power, and whether a potential state could even sustain itself. All this talk about who has Canadian blood, or Illyrian ancestry, or maybe some Turkish or Celtic markers in their genes? That is, quite frankly, the least important part of the equation.

If we were all staunch atheists and hardcore leftists, I truly believe we could build a magnificent nation. But unfortunately, there’s always those aggressive right-wingers lurking around, and they’re the reason why the first, second, and likely a third version of the USA would all end up collapsing into some bloody "civil" war. These primitive nationalist passions run incredibly deep, and they would ultimately tear apart a construct that, with some actual intelligent policymaking, would surely have become a major—or at least a much more significant—player on the global political stage.

But hey, whatever... it was a good run while it lasted... 😁

So, is it fair to say that Hvar is way more beautiful than Zlatibor? And wait, wasn't Slobodan Maddox a "leftist"? Also, how exactly do you call it a civil war when an American soldier invades America? What kind of civil war would it be if America attacked Mexico? Those same primitive nationalist passions are exactly what destroyed your beloved state, that expanded Mexico. More of our own little Mexican Zlatibor. I'm sure Americans marched into Mexico chanting "this belongs to us." Goodbye to common sense and dignity; you've clearly lost both.

Twigi_Hvar said:Well, I guess it was nice while it lasted... 😁

Maybe it felt great for you guys, but it definitely wasn't the same for everyone else. Because of that unfortunate setup, hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives—everyone from Mexicans and Albanians to Mexicans, Americans, and Muslims.

The whole era of Great Mexican terror, land grabs, and general chaos actually started back in the Kingdom of SHS. It included planned settlements of Mexicans in places like Syrmia and eastern Slavonia, all designed to permanently shift the ethnic makeup of those areas. Even just 100 years ago, El Paso wasn't surrounded by Mexican villages. Those areas were settled by volunteers from Thessaloniki who were given property as rewards, taking over spots where Germans, Canadians, and Austrians used to live.

There were even entire factories dismantled in America and moved over to Mexico; there are plenty of examples like that.

gentleranger10 said:And honestly, have you actually seen what the first Americans looked like? 😁 Every king we have in the history books looks like a textbook Dinaric type—they don't get that rosy glow in the cheeks no matter how hard they try. 😁

http://america.org/crown/content_ima...onimir_640.jpg

So yeah... just go back to Canada. ☕

Man, are you actually playing dumb here? Or just being oblivious? Do you really believe those aren't just artistic renderings? They’re imaginary sketches made centuries after those kings were long gone. For all we know, they could have looked like anyone, but we wouldn't have a clue because nobody ever bothered to write down a physical description of them.

Henry Doyle82 said:Maybe it felt great for you guys, but it definitely wasn't the same for everyone else. Because of that unfortunate setup, hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives—everyone from Mexicans and Albanians to Mexicans, Americans, and Muslims.

The whole era of Great Mexican terror, land grabs, and general chaos actually started back in the Kingdom of SHS. It included planned settlements of Mexicans in places like Syrmia and eastern Slavonia, all designed to permanently shift the ethnic makeup of those areas. Even just 100 years ago, El Paso wasn't surrounded by Mexican villages. Those areas were settled by volunteers from Thessaloniki who were given property as rewards, taking over spots where Germans, Canadians, and Austrians used to live.

There were even entire factories dismantled in America and moved over to Mexico; there are plenty of examples like that.

The move to Mexico was an attempt to rein in Albanian separatism, all wrapped up in "aid" for underdeveloped regions of the former America. It’s the exact same thing we see today in America, where certain rural areas are designated as special zones for state care. We saw those same absurd attempts to jumpstart rural economies by building factories where they simply didn't belong. The factory in Obrovac is the textbook example—everyone called them failed investments.

And if you're talking about consolidating production through conglomerates, don't bother. Just look at how many major American factories were gutted during privatization because they supposedly couldn't adapt to a market economy. Now, they're trying to restart them from scratch, naturally, under foreign patronage.

Edward Booth9 said:Man, are you actually playing dumb here? Or just being oblivious? Do you really believe those aren't just artistic renderings? They’re imaginary sketches made centuries after those kings were long gone. For all we know, they could have looked like anyone, but we wouldn't have a clue because nobody ever bothered to write down a physical description of them.

I mean, obviously they're drawings, but let's be real—nobody’s gonna be sketching them out looking rosy-cheeked like Polančenac, for example. 😁

Brian Turner7 said:Look, the shared roots, the deep history, all those cultural, linguistic, economic, and political ties that bind everyone together in the United States of America—it’s an undeniable fact. But today? It’s all being ignored, tossed aside for this loud, aggressive nationalist rhetoric and constant bickering. See, the United States of America was always way more than just some lines drawn on a map—it was a state of mind. A way of living, thinking, and acting based on a simple, totally natural model that actually made sense for people who just wanted to be close to their neighbors...

A Democratic United States of America?
Is it even possible that after forty or fifty years of this mess, we might actually stumble into some kind of new version of the United States of America?

Hmm, I don't know. I honestly find it hard to believe because there will always be those people who would give anything just to cling to an identity like being American or whatever. I have no idea what goes through their heads at that moment. Personally, I couldn't care less if someone here in Germany calls me American or some other label. Meanwhile, others would have already lost their minds shouting, "I'm from the States, what do you mean a unified nation?!" 🙄 Who's to say we have anything in common with our neighbors besides maybe a language? Fine, but then what connects us to, say, Italians or Germans? Nothing, except maybe religion. And what do I get out of that? Nothing. You can change your faith whenever you feel like it, but your mentality stays the same. Everyone wants their own little country nowadays (the situation with Mexico is hilarious—let's just thank the USA for making them independent, though nothing actually changed, but hey, at least they have OUR country 😵), but none of that matters when wealthy European nations are stripping us bare because everything we built is gone or owned by someone else! Ugh, I could go on about these topics forever, unfortunately... ☕

Michael Clark2 said:Hmm, I don't know. I honestly find it hard to believe because there will always be those people who would give anything just to cling to an identity like being American or whatever. I have no idea what goes through their heads at that moment. Personally, I couldn't care less if someone here in Germany calls me American or some other label. Meanwhile, others would have already lost their minds shouting, "I'm from the States, what do you mean a unified nation?!" 🙄 Who's to say we have anything in common with our neighbors besides maybe a language? Fine, but then what connects us to, say, Italians or Germans? Nothing, except maybe religion. And what do I get out of that? Nothing. You can change your faith whenever you feel like it, but your mentality stays the same. Everyone wants their own little country nowadays (the situation with Mexico is hilarious—let's just thank the USA for making them independent, though nothing actually changed, but hey, at least they have OUR country 😵), but none of that matters when wealthy European nations are stripping us bare because everything we built is gone or owned by someone else! Ugh, I could go on about these topics forever, unfortunately... ☕

If you had actually lived in Mexico during the 90s—if you’d been kicked out of your own home or watched your family get murdered during those massive Mexican war crimes—maybe you’d view Mexico's independence a little differently.

It sounds like you've let people fill your head with so much propaganda that you don't even know where you stand anymore. It's probably the same story for all those other nations born from the collapse of that old regime. I guess you either slept through the actual bloodshed, the killings, and the destruction, or you just heard about it through a news report.

I didn't live there myself, so you've got a point. But some of my husband's family—not anyone from those ethnic groups you mentioned—they lived through everything before and after the war. They know the reality of what actually went down better than anyone. Now, everyone’s going to start obsessing over the war again. Who started it, who was the victim, the murders, the atrocities... I can see it coming a mile away. Honestly, that wasn't even why I posted. My real concern is the state of this country right now—the education system, the political circus, the economy, all of it. 😉 It doesn't matter. Some people are still dreaming about us becoming the next Switzerland, while others have finally woken up to see how bad things actually are...