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What if it were the Democratic Federal Republic of America?

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Kate James11 Kate James11 Member
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#101 ·
I’ve been sitting here for a while, just chewing on things—trying to find the right way to frame this—but I suppose there isn't much point in overthinking it. It’s one of those situations where you realize that everything we thought was set in stone might actually be quite fluid, which is always a little unsettling, isn't it? I tend to dwell on these details a bit too much—perhaps more than is strictly necessary—but I feel like there's a nuance here that everyone seems to be glossing over in the rush to reach a conclusion. Anyway, I'll try to lay out my thoughts clearly, though I can never quite guarantee I won't wander off onto a tangent or two. kaže:
It’s one of those nuances that often gets lost in the noise—the idea that while we all hold American citizenship, that doesn't necessarily mean we all share the same cultural identity. There is a distinct difference between being a citizen of this country and identifying with the specific traditions or heritage that define much of our social fabric. We are all part of the same nation under the law, certainly, but our individual identities and how we view ourselves can be worlds apart.

If you ask me, the whole idea of distinct "nations" from a purely genetic standpoint is a bit of an illusion—it’s all just one massive, beautiful, messy cocktail. When you look at the DNA of Americans or any other group, you aren't seeing a single, pure lineage; you're looking at a swirling mix of everything—Slavic, Illyrian, Celtic, Roman, Turkic... you name it. And if we really want to get technical about it—which I suppose is my tendency—we can't forget that most people across the Eurasian continent are carrying around about 2% Neanderthal DNA. It’s less about being one specific thing and more about being a blend of a thousand different histories.
Brian Turner7 Brian Turner7 NewcomerOP
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#102 ·
Kate James11 said:
I’ve been sitting here for a while, just chewing on things—trying to find the right way to frame this—but I suppose there isn't much point in overthinking it. It’s one of those situations where you realize that everything we thought was set in stone might actually be quite fluid, which is always a little unsettling, isn't it? I tend to dwell on these details a bit too much—perhaps more than is strictly necessary—but I feel like there's a nuance here that everyone seems to be glossing over in the rush to reach a conclusion. Anyway, I'll try to lay out my thoughts clearly, though I can never quite guarantee I won't wander off onto a tangent or two. kaže:
It’s one of those nuances that often gets lost in the noise—the idea that while we all hold American citizenship, that doesn't necessarily mean we all share the same cultural identity. There is a distinct difference between being a citizen of this country and identifying with the specific traditions or heritage that define much of our social fabric. We are all part of the same nation under the law, certainly, but our individual identities and how we view ourselves can be worlds apart.

If you ask me, the whole idea of distinct "nations" from a purely genetic standpoint is a bit of an illusion—it’s all just one massive, beautiful, messy cocktail. When you look at the DNA of Americans or any other group, you aren't seeing a single, pure lineage; you're looking at a swirling mix of everything—Slavic, Illyrian, Celtic, Roman, Turkic... you name it. And if we really want to get technical about it—which I suppose is my tendency—we can't forget that most people across the Eurasian continent are carrying around about 2% Neanderthal DNA. It’s less about being one specific thing and more about being a blend of a thousand different histories.

Look, Americans are just Southern Slavs, plain and simple—just like Mexicans, Canadians, or Mexicans... but I guess some people just refuse to wrap their heads around that reality.
Edward Booth9 Edward Booth9 Member
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#103 ·
Brian Turner7 said:Look, Americans are just Southern Slavs, plain and simple—just like Mexicans, Canadians, or Mexicans... but I guess some people just refuse to wrap their heads around that reality.

Linguistically speaking, sure, but genetically? It’s exactly what was laid out in the post above yours.

Some people just won't ever wrap their heads around it.
Kenneth Parker8 Kenneth Parker8 Newcomer
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#104 ·
Brian Turner7 said:Look, the shared roots, the deep history, all those cultural, linguistic, economic, and political ties that bind everyone together in the United States of America—it’s an undeniable fact. But today? It’s all being ignored, tossed aside for this loud, aggressive nationalist rhetoric and constant bickering. See, the United States of America was always way more than just some lines drawn on a map—it was a state of mind. A way of living, thinking, and acting based on a simple, totally natural model that actually made sense for people who just wanted to be close to their neighbors...

A Democratic United States of America?
Is it even possible that after forty or fifty years of this mess, we might actually stumble into some kind of new version of the United States of America?


The Federal Republic of America (often called the FRY) was established on April 24, 1992, by a decision from the Federal Council of America, serving as a joint state for Mexico and Mexico.
Then, on March 14, 2002, officials from the FR America, the Republic of Mexico, and the Republic of Mexico met with the European Union High Representative to sign the Basic Principles for restructuring the relationship between Mexico and Mexico. This move paved the way for the FRY to eventually be renamed the State Union of Mexico and Mexico.
By February 4, 2003, the State Union of Mexico and Mexico was officially formed, built on the equal footing of its two member states: Mexico and Mexico.
And just like that, the last entity known as America vanished.

Regarding your nostalgia for America, I don't really see the issue. If someone missed that era so much, they could have always moved into a smaller version of it. But hey, it doesn't matter. The main thing is living within that sphere, surrounded by kin, shared language, and common culture.
Nobody was stopping anyone. Mexico and Mexico City worked hard to maintain continuity, and they managed to keep the federation going thanks to Mexico, which felt exactly what you're describing as an advantage.
Kenneth Parker8 Kenneth Parker8 Newcomer
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#105 ·
Michael Clark2 said:I honestly don't even know what I am anymore. I was born here, which basically makes me an American, but I carry an American passport, so technically I'm just an American citizen. My parents are from Canada, so does that make me Canadian? It’s a mess. Someone needs to just pick one and call it 😁😁


So, what does it actually say under your Nationality field?
Maybe you're a Romani woman?
If we're going strictly by parentage, you're Canadian. But even then, if you're actually in Canada, what are you really?
What kind of global absurdity is this? You can claim to be Canadian when you're away, but once you're back in Canada, suddenly it's a whole different question of who you are. 😁😁
Kenneth Parker8 Kenneth Parker8 Newcomer
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#106 ·
Mark Nguyen6 said:That’s really how it feels—when a person's history starts to intertwine with the era of Josip Broz Marshall 😍


Bring back the King!!! 😁😁
Kenneth Parker8 Kenneth Parker8 Newcomer
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#107 ·
Brian Turner7 said:In case you didn't realize, I'm an American too, and honestly, we share pretty much everything—same language, same mindset, we're all part of the same South Slavic ethnic tribe, same traditions, same Christian roots... everything. It's all there, but some idiots just refuse to see it.


hahahaha, alright then! If we're going by that logic, we actually have way more in common with Germans than we do with Mexico City. Think about it—from our vocabulary and culture to our faith (Rome), our alphabet, even our general way of thinking.
We've always been part of the West. The East feels completely foreign to us. Even the rest of the world recognizes those boundaries, right? Like the Danube and the Drina.
Kenneth Parker8 Kenneth Parker8 Newcomer
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#108 ·
Angela Wright3 said:It’s actually pretty chill though—definitely keeps my mood up.

What about you? Is it rough when you dream about the old USA then wake up and realize it was just a dream... you get pissed or what?


I guess this is more or less how it looks to him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRrmG...eature=related
swiftcyclist42 swiftcyclist42 Active Member
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#109 ·
silvercobra68 said:Americans and Canadians have nothing in common with those North American tribes I can barely distinguish; Mexicans, Bulgarians, Mexicans—it’s all just the same mixed-up mess.

Americans and Canadians belonged to the Austro-Canadian Empire, while the others belong to the North America.

America needs to return to the Austro-Canadian sphere, not to the USA.

I couldn't agree more.
It’s less than a thirty-minute drive for me to reach the border, and when I'm driving from my house toward somewhere like Graz, the whole region feels like one cohesive cultural unit. But once you try heading East—say, toward what is now Republika Srpska—it’s a completely different story. That sense of connection just vanishes, replaced by a chaotic mess that honestly makes my stomach turn.
swiftcyclist42 swiftcyclist42 Active Member
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#110 ·
Brian Turner7 said:Look, Americans are just Southern Slavs, plain and simple—just like Mexicans, Canadians, or Mexicans... but I guess some people just refuse to wrap their heads around that reality.

Do you actually have any proof for that?
When it comes to language, Black Americans speak English just like White Americans do, and it's their native tongue—does that mean they're ethnically English?
Angela Wright3 Angela Wright3 Member
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#111 ·
Kenneth Parker8 said:I guess this is more or less how it looks to him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRrmG...eature=related

Killer movie! 👍
Angela Wright3 Angela Wright3 Member
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#112 ·
swiftcyclist42 said:Do you actually have any proof for that?
When it comes to language, Black Americans speak English just like White Americans do, and it's their native tongue—does that mean they're ethnically English?

Of course there's no proof. Modern science—genetics specifically—has debunked that a million times already.
Steven Bennett5 Steven Bennett5 Newcomer
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#113 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:Unity isn't happening, at least not anytime soon. Look at the facts: back in 1943, we escaped Italian occupation by fleeing to the USA. Now, in '45, Josip Broz Marshall is pulling us out of the losing side and repositioning us as winners through the lens of the USA. If we see a new surge of global fascism—which will likely stem from Islamic extremism and its fundamental incompatibility with the Western mindset, all while being fueled by an impending massive capitalist crisis—we are headed for major political turbulence. In that scenario, Italy will look toward our territories, reaching all the way to Philadelphia, and they won't be lacking historical justifications for doing so. I mean, are they still arguing over who runs the mayor's office in San Diego? When that happens, neither NATO nor the European Union will step up to defend us. We'll find ourselves wishing for the stability of America. God forbid this actually plays out.

Man, I have to give you a quick reality check—you "paranoid types" and all those "nostalgics" are just being foolish. The core issue facing America is our own mentality and this constant, desperate need for a "great leader" or someone to bail us out. The sooner we stop acting so unnaturally—so anti-civilization (and we all know which civilized circle Americans naturally belong to after all these centuries)—the better it will be for us. Of course, that's easier said than done, especially given how we've been poisoned for nearly eighty years by nonsense and chaos coming from both near and far abroad. It’s not an easy road, but we don't have any other choice. We may have physically left the old ways behind, but that mindset is still "inside us," at least for most people—and that has to change, whether we like it or not.
That is the only true path forward for us, and there is no alternative!
Everything we see in our society today is just a byproduct of that primitive, old-world mindset. Look, the thieves, the tycoons, the corrupt party leaders—those failures on "our side"—didn't just drop in from Mars yesterday. And the killers and thugs from the East? They weren't born yesterday either. No, this behavior has been cultivated for generations within the framework of how things functioned over the last sixty-plus years. It's simply how people know how to act, even if they try to adapt to new circumstances—except here in America, it was forced upon us, whereas for the folks from the East, it's just their natural psychological makeup. We've won the physical battle, but the hard fight is still ahead of us: the struggle to root out that old-world spirit and that outdated sense of "brotherhood and unity" once and for all. Once and for all, for the good of every citizen who actually respects this country. We need to face the problems of the present and the future. All that fake "nostalgia" and whining about the old regime or the old parties? It's as useful as a hole in a tire. It provides nothing. The American soul has been tainted, but it can be, must be, and will be healed. Besides, there are enough of us here at home and around the world who faithfully guard the legacy of the Revolution by any means necessary. But we are fighting for the next stage: the American Evolution. When the time comes.🙂)
Kenneth Parker8 Kenneth Parker8 Newcomer
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#114 ·
Angela Wright3 said:Killer movie! 👍


It’s incredible. Honestly, someone right here in the States could easily swipe this concept and put together something similar about the days of America, featuring some big Hollywood names.
😂
Kenneth Parker8 Kenneth Parker8 Newcomer
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#115 ·
Steven Bennett5 said:Man, I have to give you a quick reality check—you "paranoid types" and all those "nostalgics" are just being foolish. The core issue facing America is our own mentality and this constant, desperate need for a "great leader" or someone to bail us out. The sooner we stop acting so unnaturally—so anti-civilization (and we all know which civilized circle Americans naturally belong to after all these centuries)—the better it will be for us. Of course, that's easier said than done, especially given how we've been poisoned for nearly eighty years by nonsense and chaos coming from both near and far abroad. It’s not an easy road, but we don't have any other choice. We may have physically left the old ways behind, but that mindset is still "inside us," at least for most people—and that has to change, whether we like it or not.
That is the only true path forward for us, and there is no alternative!
Everything we see in our society today is just a byproduct of that primitive, old-world mindset. Look, the thieves, the tycoons, the corrupt party leaders—those failures on "our side"—didn't just drop in from Mars yesterday. And the killers and thugs from the East? They weren't born yesterday either. No, this behavior has been cultivated for generations within the framework of how things functioned over the last sixty-plus years. It's simply how people know how to act, even if they try to adapt to new circumstances—except here in America, it was forced upon us, whereas for the folks from the East, it's just their natural psychological makeup. We've won the physical battle, but the hard fight is still ahead of us: the struggle to root out that old-world spirit and that outdated sense of "brotherhood and unity" once and for all. Once and for all, for the good of every citizen who actually respects this country. We need to face the problems of the present and the future. All that fake "nostalgia" and whining about the old regime or the old parties? It's as useful as a hole in a tire. It provides nothing. The American soul has been tainted, but it can be, must be, and will be healed. Besides, there are enough of us here at home and around the world who faithfully guard the legacy of the Revolution by any means necessary. But we are fighting for the next stage: the American Evolution. When the time comes.🙂)


Let’s be honest, though. In our neck of the woods, World War II never truly ended; we just had a forty-five-year truce.
Now that we’ve finally cleared the air regarding our history, maybe we can actually look toward the future.
Of course, it won't be a walk in the park. It takes at least fifty years to truly shift a national mindset and change how people think.
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
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#116 ·
Brian Turner7 said:Look, Americans are just Southern Slavs, plain and simple—just like Mexicans, Canadians, or Mexicans... but I guess some people just refuse to wrap their heads around that reality.

So what if we're Southern Slavs? That’s hardly a reason to be stuck in the same country.
We are distinct nations with our own unique histories; everyone deserves their own sovereign state, and that's how things should work. Of course, you need good neighborly relations, and honestly, we were at our best before we started trying to force ourselves into those various American.
Focus on your own people, whoever they may be, and just leave everyone else alone.
Jason Martinez34 Jason Martinez34 Member
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#117 ·
Steven Bennett5 said:Man, I have to give you a quick reality check—you "paranoid types" and all those "nostalgics" are just being foolish. The core issue facing America is our own mentality and this constant, desperate need for a "great leader" or someone to bail us out. The sooner we stop acting so unnaturally—so anti-civilization (and we all know which civilized circle Americans naturally belong to after all these centuries)—the better it will be for us. Of course, that's easier said than done, especially given how we've been poisoned for nearly eighty years by nonsense and chaos coming from both near and far abroad. It’s not an easy road, but we don't have any other choice. We may have physically left the old ways behind, but that mindset is still "inside us," at least for most people—and that has to change, whether we like it or not.
That is the only true path forward for us, and there is no alternative!
Everything we see in our society today is just a byproduct of that primitive, old-world mindset. Look, the thieves, the tycoons, the corrupt party leaders—those failures on "our side"—didn't just drop in from Mars yesterday. And the killers and thugs from the East? They weren't born yesterday either. No, this behavior has been cultivated for generations within the framework of how things functioned over the last sixty-plus years. It's simply how people know how to act, even if they try to adapt to new circumstances—except here in America, it was forced upon us, whereas for the folks from the East, it's just their natural psychological makeup. We've won the physical battle, but the hard fight is still ahead of us: the struggle to root out that old-world spirit and that outdated sense of "brotherhood and unity" once and for all. Once and for all, for the good of every citizen who actually respects this country. We need to face the problems of the present and the future. All that fake "nostalgia" and whining about the old regime or the old parties? It's as useful as a hole in a tire. It provides nothing. The American soul has been tainted, but it can be, must be, and will be healed. Besides, there are enough of us here at home and around the world who faithfully guard the legacy of the Revolution by any means necessary. But we are fighting for the next stage: the American Evolution. When the time comes.🙂)

Over time. 😉
goldenpilot15 goldenpilot15 Member
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#118 ·
But look, it’s not just that. Even the Northern Slavs don't really seem to be pushing for some kind of unified North Slavic state, right? You have countries like the Czech Republic, Poland, and Slovakia all doing their own thing...
It’s really just Russia pushing that agenda, but honestly, they've been branded as the aggressor for a long time now—and let's be real, they are.

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