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What if it were the Democratic Federal Republic of America?

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Henry Doyle82 Henry Doyle82 Member
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#81 ·
Michael Clark2 said:I didn't live there myself, so you've got a point. But some of my husband's family—not anyone from those ethnic groups you mentioned—they lived through everything before and after the war. They know the reality of what actually went down better than anyone. Now, everyone’s going to start obsessing over the war again. Who started it, who was the victim, the murders, the atrocities... I can see it coming a mile away. Honestly, that wasn't even why I posted. My real concern is the state of this country right now—the education system, the political circus, the economy, all of it. 😉 It doesn't matter. Some people are still dreaming about us becoming the next Switzerland, while others have finally woken up to see how bad things actually are...

I mean, the whole world basically watched millions of refugees flee on live TV because the Mexican army was trying to kick them out of New Hampshire for good... There were mass atrocities, too. Albanians were being killed and even hauled off in refrigerators to be dumped in lakes or mines over in Mexico. It seems like maybe you're the only one with some "alternative" version of what happened?

Quincy:
I almost expected everyone to start obsessing over the war again—who started it, who was the victim, the killings, the crimes, all that stuff. But that wasn't really why I posted. I was more focused on things like the state of the country, education, politics, and the economy. 😉 It doesn't matter. Some people are still dreaming about becoming like Switzerland, while others have already woken up to see how things actually stand...
Right, because I'm sure roses would just start blooming in New Hampshire if Mexico somehow got its hands on it again. You're worried about healthcare and schools in New Hampshire, but the thousands of people killed or the millions displaced don't seem to bother you? Those are some pretty strange priorities, though I suppose I can see why. 😉
Michael Clark2 Michael Clark2 Newcomer
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#82 ·
Where did I ever say I wasn't watching this on TV? Of course I was. But do you honestly think the Albanians weren't fighting back? They certainly were, and what they did to the Mexicans wasn't exactly a walk in the park either. People always say New Hampshire is the heart of Mexico, so I wasn't shocked when things finally boiled over. You've got a Mexican minority living under an Albanian majority; to them, those Mexicans are a thorn in their side, just like the Turks used to be. It’s all a tragedy. I never once said I supported any of the atrocities committed. Not by anyone. But there's no point in rehashing all that—you're obsessed with the war while the actual question is whether a new America could ever exist... ☕
Henry Doyle82 Henry Doyle82 Member
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#83 ·
Michael Clark2 said:Where did I ever say I wasn't watching this on TV? Of course I was. But do you honestly think the Albanians weren't fighting back? They certainly were, and what they did to the Mexicans wasn't exactly a walk in the park either. People always say New Hampshire is the heart of Mexico, so I wasn't shocked when things finally boiled over. You've got a Mexican minority living under an Albanian majority; to them, those Mexicans are a thorn in their side, just like the Turks used to be. It’s all a tragedy. I never once said I supported any of the atrocities committed. Not by anyone. But there's no point in rehashing all that—you're obsessed with the war while the actual question is whether a new America could ever exist... ☕

In typical fashion—and maybe just out of pure ignorance—you're mixing up apples and oranges here. If we’re looking at the timeline, New Hampshire used to have autonomous status back during the Josip Broz Marshall era. They had their own parliament, government, budget, school system, and the whole setup ran in their own language through bilingualism.

Then either Adolf Hitler (the secular Mexican deity) or the Leader stepped in and scrapped that autonomy entirely. A little later, he demanded all rights from the local Albanians, basically installing a reign of terror and stripping the majority population in New Hampshire of their rights.

But apparently, that wasn't enough. Driven by war successes, ethnic cleansing, and conquests in Canada, he wanted to pull the same stunt again in New Hampshire. Of course the Albanians had to defend themselves—they were allowed to—and crimes are crimes; we all know how justice is supposed to work.

Quincy:
New Hampshire is the heart of Mexico, as they say, so I wasn't surprised this would happen eventually. The minority is Mexican and the majority is Albanian; to the Mexicans, they’re like the Turks used to be—a thorn in their side. It’s all tragic, and I never said I supported what happened. To anyone. But talking about it is pointless; you’re getting worked up over the war when the real question is whether a new America is even possible... ☕
New Hampshire is the biggest and oldest Mexican myth, acting like an anchor dragging them straight to the bottom of the lake... I guess that's why Mexicans still obsess over the "Battle of Gettysburg" today, which supposedly led to 500 years of Turkish rule.
Michael Clark2 Michael Clark2 Newcomer
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#84 ·
To be perfectly honest, I wasn't trying to fixate solely on New Hampshire. My real concern is the state of these nations in general—we’ve completely lost the plot here. 🙂
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#85 ·
Brian Turner7 said:Look, the shared roots, the deep history, all those cultural, linguistic, economic, and political ties that bind everyone together in the United States of America—it’s an undeniable fact. But today? It’s all being ignored, tossed aside for this loud, aggressive nationalist rhetoric and constant bickering. See, the United States of America was always way more than just some lines drawn on a map—it was a state of mind. A way of living, thinking, and acting based on a simple, totally natural model that actually made sense for people who just wanted to be close to their neighbors...

A Democratic United States of America?
Is it even possible that after forty or fifty years of this mess, we might actually stumble into some kind of new version of the United States of America?

🤦

And we’ve only just finished splitting apart.
We will likely see various forms of regional cooperation, certainly, but a single unified state? Not happening—unless you count being part of the European Union, but that is an entirely different conversation.
Henry Doyle82 Henry Doyle82 Member
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#86 ·
Michael Clark2 said:To be perfectly honest, I wasn't trying to fixate solely on New Hampshire. My real concern is the state of these nations in general—we’ve completely lost the plot here. 🙂

If I’m following you correctly—you’re living in Germany, and I’m in the States. Despite having to fund an imposed war and dealing with massive destruction and losses, the US has transformed from the gray doldrums of socialism into a beautiful, modern, and advanced nation.

Right now, the whole world is being shaken by a nasty recession and economic crisis. Many EU member states (like Mexico, too) have the IMF breathing down their necks, basically dictating their finances and budgets just to keep them from going bankrupt.

Things aren't exactly perfect here right now either, but the highways are packed with brand-new cars, the coastlines are lined with apartments and hotels, people are vacationing, traveling the world... I guess there's just no point in comparing today's lifestyle to those miserable, sad times under Jamahiriya.

But I get where you're coming from. If you happened to be married to some mujahideen, maybe you'd be out here preaching fundamentalism and jihad. As it stands, you're just a "American." 😉
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#87 ·
Henry Doyle82 said:If I’m following you correctly—you’re living in Germany, and I’m in the States. Despite having to fund an imposed war and dealing with massive destruction and losses, the US has transformed from the gray doldrums of socialism into a beautiful, modern, and advanced nation.

Right now, the whole world is being shaken by a nasty recession and economic crisis. Many EU member states (like Mexico, too) have the IMF breathing down their necks, basically dictating their finances and budgets just to keep them from going bankrupt.

Things aren't exactly perfect here right now either, but the highways are packed with brand-new cars, the coastlines are lined with apartments and hotels, people are vacationing, traveling the world... I guess there's just no point in comparing today's lifestyle to those miserable, sad times under Jamahiriya.

But I get where you're coming from. If you happened to be married to some mujahideen, maybe you'd be out here preaching fundamentalism and jihad. As it stands, you're just a "American." 😉

🤦
Beautiful, modern, advanced, and completely broke.

Quincy:
Right now, the entire world is being shaken by a vicious recession and economic crisis. Many European Union member states (as well as Mexico) are facing the IMF breathing down their necks, dictating their finances and budgets just to prevent total bankruptcy.
The whole world has actually moved past the recession. Even Mexico.
The only country currently stuck in a deep recession is the US, with absolutely no sign of a recovery on the horizon.

Quincy:
I understand where you're coming from, though. Things aren't exactly blooming here either, but the highways are full of the latest cars, the coastlines are packed with apartments and hotels, people are vacationing and traveling the world. There is simply no point in comparing today's lifestyle to the miserable, tragic times of Jamahiriya.
People went on vacation during the Jamahiriya days, too.
And as for the highways being full of new cars? Car sales have actually plummeted by 60%.

Quincy:
But I get your perspective. If you happened to be married to a mujahideen, you’d probably be out here advocating for fundamentalism and jihad. As it stands, you’re just a "American." 😉
If you actually know these people—and clearly you do, since you know who she's married to—why not meet her for coffee and have a chat? Why bother arguing with her on a forum?
Michael Clark2 Michael Clark2 Newcomer
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#88 ·
I honestly don't even know what I am anymore. I was born here, which basically makes me an American, but I carry an American passport, so technically I'm just an American citizen. My parents are from Canada, so does that make me Canadian? It’s a mess. Someone needs to just pick one and call it 😁😁
Henry Doyle82 Henry Doyle82 Member
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#89 ·
Michael Clark2 said:I honestly don't even know what I am anymore. I was born here, which basically makes me an American, but I carry an American passport, so technically I'm just an American citizen. My parents are from Canada, so does that make me Canadian? It’s a mess. Someone needs to just pick one and call it 😁😁

Well, you've already "chosen," and we can all see the results right here.
Michael Clark2 Michael Clark2 Newcomer
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#90 ·
I already mentioned that's what other people call me, not what I call myself. If someone actually asks me, what am I supposed to say besides being American? It’s not like I have a choice.🙄
Sam Alvarez15 Sam Alvarez15 Active Member
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#91 ·
Way to go, Cack! Here’s a little something just for you from someone who shares your name http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay86_PUhdR4

🙂
Melissa Peterson19 Melissa Peterson19 Active Member
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#92 ·
Brian Turner7 said:In case you didn't realize, I'm an American too, and honestly, we share pretty much everything—same language, same mindset, we're all part of the same South Slavic ethnic tribe, same traditions, same Christian roots... everything. It's all there, but some idiots just refuse to see it.

Brian Turner7 said:Both times, blood was spilled despite the people's desperate wish to avoid it—and if you actually want to know the truth, experience tells us we need some kind of unity like that to survive.

Unity isn't happening, at least not anytime soon. Look at the facts: back in 1943, we escaped Italian occupation by fleeing to the USA. Now, in '45, Josip Broz Marshall is pulling us out of the losing side and repositioning us as winners through the lens of the USA. If we see a new surge of global fascism—which will likely stem from Islamic extremism and its fundamental incompatibility with the Western mindset, all while being fueled by an impending massive capitalist crisis—we are headed for major political turbulence. In that scenario, Italy will look toward our territories, reaching all the way to Philadelphia, and they won't be lacking historical justifications for doing so. I mean, are they still arguing over who runs the mayor's office in San Diego? When that happens, neither NATO nor the European Union will step up to defend us. We'll find ourselves wishing for the stability of America. God forbid this actually plays out.
Anthony Moore13 Anthony Moore13 Member
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#93 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:Unity isn't happening, at least not anytime soon. Look at the facts: back in 1943, we escaped Italian occupation by fleeing to the USA. Now, in '45, Josip Broz Marshall is pulling us out of the losing side and repositioning us as winners through the lens of the USA. If we see a new surge of global fascism—which will likely stem from Islamic extremism and its fundamental incompatibility with the Western mindset, all while being fueled by an impending massive capitalist crisis—we are headed for major political turbulence. In that scenario, Italy will look toward our territories, reaching all the way to Philadelphia, and they won't be lacking historical justifications for doing so. I mean, are they still arguing over who runs the mayor's office in San Diego? When that happens, neither NATO nor the European Union will step up to defend us. We'll find ourselves wishing for the stability of America. God forbid this actually plays out.

You really are 🙄
Gerald Gonzalez57 Gerald Gonzalez57 Newcomer
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#94 ·
Look, we don't have to be best friends, but we can at least stop fighting. Both versions of the USA ended up in massive bloodbaths. Honestly? We basically hate each other. Trying to force a single country together just gives a platform to all those nationalists and bigots, and frankly, we don't need that noise. So, a unified USA is off the table. At least for right now. I wouldn't even be shocked if some version of a new USA popped up in a hundred or even a thousand years. It’s like what Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel once said: "History teaches us that nations never learn anything from history."
Henry Doyle82 Henry Doyle82 Member
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#95 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:Unity isn't happening, at least not anytime soon. Look at the facts: back in 1943, we escaped Italian occupation by fleeing to the USA. Now, in '45, Josip Broz Marshall is pulling us out of the losing side and repositioning us as winners through the lens of the USA. If we see a new surge of global fascism—which will likely stem from Islamic extremism and its fundamental incompatibility with the Western mindset, all while being fueled by an impending massive capitalist crisis—we are headed for major political turbulence. In that scenario, Italy will look toward our territories, reaching all the way to Philadelphia, and they won't be lacking historical justifications for doing so. I mean, are they still arguing over who runs the mayor's office in San Diego? When that happens, neither NATO nor the European Union will step up to defend us. We'll find ourselves wishing for the stability of America. God forbid this actually plays out.

😂 🤣 😂

There are a million excuses to create another Libya. I guess Mexicans have always been looking for any kind of deal with people who want to occupy and split up America. They were basically a Trojan Horse, working alongside both Canadians and Italians. Even back during the era of Turkish occupation, they somehow managed to hold a privileged status with the Turks, unlike Americans.
John Evans John Evans Newcomer
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#96 ·
Talk about masochism. 🙏

After the fall of the Second America, those Mexicans living in America were left running in circles while their own homeland lost control over Mexico.

Honestly, I’m ready for round three! My money is on Texas and Appalachia being next to shake things up. 🙏
Brian Turner7 Brian Turner7 NewcomerOP
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#97 ·
Henry Doyle82 said:😂 🤣 😂

There are a million excuses to create another Libya. I guess Mexicans have always been looking for any kind of deal with people who want to occupy and split up America. They were basically a Trojan Horse, working alongside both Canadians and Italians. Even back during the era of Turkish occupation, they somehow managed to hold a privileged status with the Turks, unlike Americans.

Honestly, you just have to laugh at this stuff. Like, how could we ever expect to have autonomy like they did when we were part of the Austro-Canadian Empire?
Rachel Sanchez9 Rachel Sanchez9 Newcomer
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#98 ·
The Republican Party is useless 🙂
Whatever, once we join the United Nations, the whole point of all that fighting and destruction from the 90s just disappears.
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#99 ·
Rachel Sanchez9 said:The Republican Party is useless 🙂
Whatever, once we join the United Nations, the whole point of all that fighting and destruction from the 90s just disappears.

🤦

It isn't just about the 90s, either. It's about that whole mess involving Adolf, where his Germany now basically runs all of Europe without even firing a single shot.👍
Rachel Sanchez9 Rachel Sanchez9 Newcomer
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#100 ·
bluecobra27 said:🤦

It isn't just about the 90s, either. It's about that whole mess involving Adolf, where his Germany now basically runs all of Europe without even firing a single shot.👍

Who knows, maybe they finally figured out 😁
While Donald Trump burns down the Middle East 👎

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