God, the Cosmos, and Jesus

Zachary Gonzalez8 said:Just one quick correction here. That guy mentioned Sahelanthropus, but if you look at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/hominids.html, he’s nowhere to be found. From what I can gather, the issue is that this fossil dates back about 6 or 7 million years, yet morphologically speaking, it looks more like a modern human than some of those later transitional forms we talk about.
Gregory Jackson, I was digging through Wikipedia earlier and apparently, nobody has actually tested HRM under "real-world" conditions. Heck, I think I even saw some PhDs outright denying they ever ran the tests at all. Honestly, at this point, I don't think you can find a single piece of 100% verified info on the entire internet.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:I’ve been sitting here lately, following this series of lectures on anthroposophy—you know, those deep dives into the nature of existence—and they spend an incredible amount of time talking about these non-physical beings. Look, if you're going to make a claim, you need to back it up. Period. Honestly, I could sit down right now and write a massive, multi-volume series of books claiming that there are tiny, flying teddy bears out there possessing immense power over the human psyche and mind. I could pour my soul into it! And then? I’d just sit back and wait for someone to try and debunk me. Spirituality can be a beautiful thing, don't get me wrong, but it shouldn't be a free pass to ignore the facts. We are drowning in a sea of "theories" where everyone claims to hold the ultimate truth, yet nobody can show their work. Evidence. That is what we need. Real, hard evidence.

Gregory Jackson said:There goes Benjamin Taylor6 again with the whole "evidence" thing! Always demanding proof, proof, proof! Like, okay, fine, why don't you go ahead and prove God to me? I guess if you actually managed to prove spiritual phenomena using material, scientific evidence, you’d probably snag a Nobel Prize and become the most legendary figure in human history, wouldn't you? See, spirituality is something you experience through your own journey—it's about inner work, gaining insight, reaching enlightenment, and basically just the sheer amount of love you radiate out into the world. How are you even supposed to "prove" something like love, or dreams, or deep feelings, or our whole inner life? By that logic, I suppose Jesus and Buddha were just con artists because nobody can physically prove they did what they said they did, and we don't exactly go around believing in fairy tales, right?

Benjamin Taylor6 said:If there isn't any hard evidence to go on, I might as well just make up my own theory about tiny flying teddy bears that nourish our souls, sharpen our minds, and fortify our true Self. Honestly, I’ve listened to enough wild theories to last a lifetime—and believe me, I’ve dabbled in the practice myself. But unfortunately, I see so many people chasing alternative lifestyles who end up getting lost in the weeds instead of actually moving toward their "true and authentic" Self. It's tragic, really. I knew a Reiki master in my hometown who took his own life; a neighbor of mine, some Hare Krishna yoga enthusiast, used to smash storefront windows in fits of madness; and I even knew a yoga practitioner who ended up dead. The point is, practicing these things doesn't guarantee you anything. My grandmother was much wiser than all of us. She would just say a few Hail Marys a day and act as if she had God by the beard. Such lofty ideals and deep, profound spiritual discipline... just a simple prayer.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:If there isn't any hard evidence to go on, I might as well just make up my own theory about tiny flying teddy bears that nourish our souls, sharpen our minds, and fortify our true Self. Honestly, I’ve listened to enough wild theories to last a lifetime—and believe me, I’ve dabbled in the practice myself. But unfortunately, I see so many people chasing alternative lifestyles who end up getting lost in the weeds instead of actually moving toward their "true and authentic" Self. It's tragic, really. I knew a Reiki master in my hometown who took his own life; a neighbor of mine, some Hare Krishna yoga enthusiast, used to smash storefront windows in fits of madness; and I even knew a yoga practitioner who ended up dead. The point is, practicing these things doesn't guarantee you anything. My grandmother was much wiser than all of us. She would just say a few Hail Marys a day and act as if she had God by the beard. Such lofty ideals and deep, profound spiritual discipline... just a simple prayer.

Gregory Jackson said:👍 You actually just brought up such a huge point—you know, those paths where spiritual growth just goes totally sideways. I kind of think that deserves its own whole thread, maybe someone could start a new topic for it.

Benjamin Taylor6;26773656 said:So, why was Jesus actually born? I suppose it was so He could be sacrificed. And why that sacrifice? Well, it's meant to redeem us from our sins. Since Adam and Eve fell, we—as their descendants—are left carrying the weight of Original Sin. It’s a pretty strange and unusual doctrine if you think about it! The idea that Jesus had to enter this world specifically to suffer and die...

In my view, Jesus came here because of Love, yet we were the ones who put Him on the cross.

Gregory Jackson said:Here we go...

I was just sitting here thinking about how, honestly, I don’t think there’s ever been a time in human history where such a tiny little slice of the world held quite so much concentrated negative energy as it did in Palestine, especially during those intense centuries leading up to the time of Jesus Christ. It’s kind of heavy when you really get into it, I guess, but all that fear for survival, the deep-seated hatred, the grief, and just general discontent... it all seems like it was born from the sheer suffering and total hopelessness felt by the Jews and all the other folks living under the thumb of the Roman Empire because of all those endless wars fought over that specific land. And, if you look at it from a certain perspective—and maybe this is just my take on it—this massive surge of negative mental frequency actually started to seriously mess with the lower layer of the Earth's aura. Now, if you aren't familiar, the Earth's aura actually has these two layers that are constantly moving, basically circling the entire planet every fifteen minutes or so, and because of its very specific vibration, that lower layer is incredibly sensitive to any negative human thoughts vibrating at 10 Hz or even lower. It’s pretty wild to think about, but all that negativity threatened to trigger these massive global cataclysms, like huge earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, nasty radiation, or toxic gases spreading across most of the planet. It could have totally wiped out almost all the plants, animals, and people, which would have, well, put the whole existence of the Earth itself in serious jeopardy, I suppose.

So, I was thinking about this, and if we really wanted to get rid of that whole danger situation once and for all, I guess we’d pretty much have to tackle two main things, right? It feels like there aren't really any other ways to go about it, maybe, but you just have to carry out these two specific activities to make it happen.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we could maybe, I don't know, use some really powerful spiritual energies to basically patch up the Earth's aura and get everything back to a normal state, while also being super careful—like, incredibly careful—to make sure we don't accidentally mess up or hurt any of the living things on Earth in the process, I guess.
So, I was thinking about this other thing—it’s more like a preventative kind of deal, I guess—where the whole goal was basically just trying to figure out ways to flip the script on how people were thinking back then. It was all about finding those little methods to help folks move away from all that negative headspace and instead, you know, lean more into creating as much positive energy as they possibly could.

So, I was thinking about how the whole big hurdle for getting that second task off the ground was basically just the fact that we have to respect free will, you know? Like, you can't just force people to change, so I guess the only way to actually shift how everyone thinks toward something more positive was to work with a massive group of people at once. It’s kind of like when you toss a stone into a lake and those little ripples just keep spreading outward forever—that’s really what we were aiming for, creating this positive core that would eventually just wash over everything. To actually make both of these things happen, though, the only real answer was to bring forth this specific human form that could maintain a direct, constant connection with the energy of Christ. If that happened, it would let this being reach out to people directly without them feeling that instant sense of fear or dread, which I suppose is pretty important. Having that direct link to the energy of Christ would also grant this person these absolutely mind-blowing intellectual abilities and deep knowledge, not to mention the capacity to manifest some seriously high-level paranormal stuff. And honestly, this whole direction was decided by the energy of Christ itself, with total backing from the unified field and God the Creator.

So, I was thinking about this whole thing, and I guess you have to look at it from a certain angle—like, if a child is actually going to possess these incredible, almost superhuman qualities and stay constantly tuned into the energy of Christ, then the way they start out matters, right? It seems like it would be necessary for that child to be conceived in a mother's womb without any biological father involved at all. In this case, Mary of Nazareth, who was a young married woman, was chosen for this, and she ended up pregnant through this miraculous way before she even had the chance to be with her husband. And, honestly, I don't think it’s quite right to say that the Holy Spirit just announced everything to Mary and her husband like some big formal reveal. From what I can gather, the child actually developed just like any other kid would, growing normally until he hit about four years old, and back then, his parents probably had no clue there was anything supernatural going on at all. It wasn't until Jesus was a bit older that these paranormal abilities really started to kick in, and he was super careful about keeping them under wraps because, well, he realized pretty quickly that other kids just don't have those kinds of powers.

So, I was just thinking about this guy, and man, his story is just wild, I guess. He basically walked out on his whole life when he turned sixteen, just left home without even saying goodbye to anyone, which is pretty intense if you think about it. But he wasn't just wandering aimlessly; he was being guided by the energy of Christ, which sort of steered him toward the most spiritual folks around back then—people living in places like India, Tibet, and Alexandria. Then, once he hit twenty-seven, he finally got this super detailed roadmap of what he actually needed to do to win over the masses for the positive religion he was supposed to be preaching. Apparently, he was even expected to lean heavily into paranormal abilities, just to grab everyone's attention and stir up that mix of love and awe in what was basically a really primitive world at the time. It's a lot to wrap your head around, honestly.

So, I was thinking about how, over those first four years of his pioneering work, he basically managed to trek across the entire region—which was super crowded with Jews and all sorts of other folks back then, mostly within the borders of the Roman Empire. It’s kind of wild when you think about it, but it didn't really matter what anyone's nationality was; his message just seemed to hit home with people who were struggling, you know? Like, people living under oppression, dealing with hunger, or just feeling totally hopeless. For them, his teachings were like this bright light, maybe even the only path that actually made sense. His whole religious approach was sort of a blend of the most prominent faiths of that era, I guess. Jesus built his faith on two main pillars: the idea that there is only one God, and then these core guidelines for how to actually behave. You've got the Ten Commandments, which Moses received, and following those really helps clear out a ton of the negative headspace people were carrying back then. I mean, by sticking to those, it probably helped drastically reduce the damage to Earth's aura, while also giving people better health, inner peace, and a way to be more tolerant of their surroundings. It creates this really positive vibe, too, which I suppose goes a long way in cutting down on the stuff that causes wars—since, let's face it, war is pretty much the biggest source of negative energy on Earth.

So, I was thinking about how Jesus used to talk about the Creator, and it seems like His whole being is just totally inseparable from anything negative—like, there's no punishment, no threats, nothing bad at all. I guess He was basically the first version of God in human history who didn't resort to punishing people or acting all vengeful.
But then, you know how it goes, over time things started to shift, maybe because the early folks transcribing His words weren't quite on that high spiritual level yet, and later on, the Church kind of intentionally started tweaking and editing what He actually said. It’s like, slowly, they built this image of a God who threatens and punishes, and a devil who hangs over anyone who doesn't follow every single rule perfectly. There were all these little corrections, some intentional and some probably just accidents, happening over those first thousand years, which ended up making the Bible drift pretty far away from what Jesus was really saying.

If you look at the historical side of things, you've got the twelve apostles who were His main crew. Six of them were actually His brothers, and I suppose He leaned on them first since they were the ones He could truly count on right from the start. He didn't sit around writing everything down himself, either; usually, it was just two or three apostles handling the notes, but they weren't the most literate folks, and their records tended to fade away—partly because the writing materials back then weren't exactly permanent, and partly because they mostly just kept His words in their heads instead of worrying too much about the paperwork.

Then, at a certain point in how His movement was growing, it hit this crossroads where having a living leader would have been way too risky. Not just with the Jews, but with the Roman occupiers, too; if He stayed a visible leader, it could have triggered a massive crackdown, leading to war and the total wipeout of His followers, which would've just killed the whole movement. So, I think the energy of Christ decided that instead of a physical leader, it was better to create a legend—something that couldn't be physically destroyed and could actually work even more effectively than a living person ever could. It's like Jesus was made aware of all this, including the fact that His own life had to come to an end.

Right before that happened, His mission was to act as a conduit, letting this incredibly powerful spiritual energy of Christ flow through His body to perform this massive, epochal act of lowering the frequency of the Earth's aura. The idea was to clean up the damage to the Earth's aura without messing with the frequencies of living beings, eventually bringing the whole thing back to its natural state. Once that task was done, the whole reason for having Christ's energy in human form was basically complete. This all happened in those final moments while Jesus was on the cross, just before He passed away. When He saw that the Earth's aura had been restored, He said, "It is finished," but I suspect He meant that specific cosmic act, not just His own life.

To make sure the legend of Jesus was super mystical and proved He was the Son of God like He always claimed, His body supposedly disintegrated and vanished the day after being taken down from the cross. And even after death, Jesus appeared to His closest disciples and apostles two more times, though they could only see Him as a figure they couldn't actually touch.

So, yeah, don't kill the messenger! 🙂

Benjamin Taylor6 said:There have been plenty of attempts over the years to wedge parapsychology into the standard evolutionary framework—it’s a messy intersection, to say the least. One of those attempts comes from Rupert Sheldrake.
Then you have Bruce Lipton as well.
Unfortunately, neither of them has managed to secure any real standing in the scientific community. Most mainstream researchers just write them off as charlatans—which, frankly, is how most of these fringe theories end up being treated by the establishment.

Ronald Rogers27 said:Alright... Let me start with some questions, because I'm honestly pretty confused here! Why would Christ Energy even care about saving a speck of dust—a tiny grain of sand just a few microns wide in the middle of the Sahara desert we call the Cosmos? We’re talking about an insignificant little planet, the "third rock from The Sun," an orange dwarf that's a hundred million times smaller than a Quasar Star, for example.

When a Supernova Star happens—something a million times bigger than the Sun... wouldn't Christ Energy be focused on energy levels at that massive scale? I mean, the potential loss of life in a Supernova would be millions of times greater than anything happening in Palestine back then, or even on Earth in general! 😬

Ronald Rogers27

Carol Nelson59;27028981 said:

Benjamin Taylor6 said:So, why was Christ born in the first place? It seems he was brought into this world specifically to be sacrificed. And why the sacrifice? Well, to pay the debt for our sins through his own suffering. We look back at Adam and Eve—they stumbled, and now we’re all just living out the consequences of that original sin they passed down to us. Honestly, it’s a pretty bizarre doctrine when you really sit down and chew on it! The idea that Jesus has to descend into this world just to endure agony and die... it’s intense. He pays this cosmic ransom to pull humanity away from eternal death—essentially buying back our souls from our mistakes. But then you have to ask: who exactly is receiving this ransom? I suppose it would be His Father in heaven. Now, what does "ransom" even mean in a practical sense? If someone were kidnapped in downtown Chicago, for instance, a ransom is the cash or value handed over to the kidnappers to get the child back safely. In our theological scenario, the "children" are the children of God, but the currency isn't dollars or gold. The ransom is nothing less than a life. Specifically, it's the life of Jesus Christ. He offers His very existence to His Father to pull people out of their sin. It feels like this strange celestial contract: the Father and the Son strike a deal where the best path forward involves someone paying with their life—and that someone happens to be the Son himself. And the Father accepts the life of His own Son as payment. Why on earth would He need such a bloody, painful ransom? What’s the point? Look, God created humanity, and humans turned their backs on Him. But God loves every single individual so deeply that He doesn't want us to suffer. He wants us saved. So, the Son of God has to be born into this valley of tears and die for mankind. This whole concept of self-sacrifice is utterly disorienting. You could almost mistake God the Father for some ancient pagan deity to whom people offer blood sacrifices—like a parent offering their own child! God offering His Son to Himself?! To me, it’s a complete paradox. It's one of those mysteries of faith that sits atop all other mysteries. When I’ve spoken with Muslim believers, they find this whole thing completely nonsensical. Even some smaller Christian denominations tend to agree. Personally, I’ve never gone head-to-head with priests over this specific issue—mostly because whenever something defies all logic, they just fall back on that famous line: "it's a mystery of faith."
It is a bit strange, though, how Indian philosophy offers such an elegant explanation for the function of atonement—what Christ achieved through His suffering on the Cross. Over in India, they have this concept of karma to explain why people suffer for their transgressions. It's basically the law of action and reaction—the same stuff we study in physics—but applied to how a human interacts with the universe. If you cause pain to your neighbor, that pain eventually finds its way back to you. Humans are inherently flawed, and because of those flaws, they face punishment in hell or purgatory. However, Indian philosophy suggests that a person can actually bypass that punishment if someone else suffers in their stead. Of course, you won't find any sage willing to jump into the fire just so a sinner can stay wicked. The sinner has to actually recognize their fault and truly repent. Only then does the mechanism of atonement kick in—which, in this context, is the suffering endured by Jesus Christ. The Son of God is the one who loves His followers immensely. His followers are essentially anyone who embraces His teachings—all Christians who believe in Christ. Based on that faith, combined with sincere repentance, the sinner enters a community where they aren't held accountable for their past misdeeds. They won't face the "karmic" penalty because their teacher—in this case, Christ—suffered in their place.

I actually found this longer post somewhere else that talks all about what the spiritual energies have to say regarding this stuff.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:If there isn't any hard evidence to go on, I might as well just make up my own theory about tiny flying teddy bears that nourish our souls, sharpen our minds, and fortify our true Self. Honestly, I’ve listened to enough wild theories to last a lifetime—and believe me, I’ve dabbled in the practice myself. But unfortunately, I see so many people chasing alternative lifestyles who end up getting lost in the weeds instead of actually moving toward their "true and authentic" Self. It's tragic, really. I knew a Reiki master in my hometown who took his own life; a neighbor of mine, some Hare Krishna yoga enthusiast, used to smash storefront windows in fits of madness; and I even knew a yoga practitioner who ended up dead. The point is, practicing these things doesn't guarantee you anything. My grandmother was much wiser than all of us. She would just say a few Hail Marys a day and act as if she had God by the beard. Such lofty ideals and deep, profound spiritual discipline... just a simple prayer.