What exactly is "homophobia"?

Ryan Wood98 said:Are you suggesting that being primitive is biologically predetermined? That you view it as some kind of disorder?

Nah. A primitive is just someone who refuses to listen to their own conscience and common sense—specifically the part that tells them male and female aren't sexually compatible. Look, the whole foundation of sexuality relies on duality (male female). You take away that duality, and the whole concept of sexuality doesn't even exist.

🍿 ... don't you dare walk away now...

casualharbor9 said:🍿 ... don't you dare walk away now...

If these old-timers—these true experts and pros—keep this up,
we might as well just rename the thread to "The Mysterious John and his funny little PDF: It's someone else's problem, so trolling is fair game."

Lisa Hernandez3 said:If these old-timers—these true experts and pros—keep this up,
we might as well just rename the thread to "The Mysterious John and his funny little PDF: It's someone else's problem, so trolling is fair game."

So this is the second thread, but I honestly don't get what the criteria are for calling something a troll. Like, yeah, sometimes it's super obvious, but what exactly is being trolling about this specific topic?...

Alex Jelinić said:Someone claiming to lecture about "freaks" while choosing a username like Anthony Garcia10 certainly calls one's sense of "normality" into question, wouldn't you agree?

Oh, you are simply hilarious, 😂 😂

Alex Jelinić said:Any gay man acting openly on the street—any form of intimate contact between men, or women with women—constitutes VIOLENCE against a normal person because they are being FORCED (read that again: FORCED, therefore VIOLENCE) to witness it (violence can be inflicted through the eyes, the ears, or touch). It is DISGUSTING! This violates the psyche of a normal man, wounding his mental state and causing shock, stress, and torment to that individual, who does NOT wish to see such things, yet these people or the legal system FORCE him—essentially RAPING him—into having to look!

Aaaahahah, oh my goodness, the sheer agony of it all, heavens to Betsy! 😂 🤣 Forget Guantanamo Bay or the medieval Inquisition; one really ought to visit the major metropolitan hubs of the Western world to truly understand what actual torture looks like! 😂

Personally, I find it quite irritating when anyone displays excessive intimacy in public spaces; exhibitionism is simply bothersome to me. And I am not just referring to those shady characters looking for a dark alleyway to engage in illicit acts (though, unfortunately, I have stumbled upon them before), but also to couples who are overly affectionate in public. This applies to both heterosexual and gay couples alike. However, living here in Washington, D.C., which serves as a hub for American decadence, I have genuinely never encountered a gay couple exchanging intimate gestures or tenderness in a public setting. Never. And I have been everywhere. But just the other day, I was sitting in a pub in downtown D.C., and this HETEROSEXUAL couple, a girl and a guy, were slumped in their armchairs making out and licking each other all over—honestly, it made me so uncomfortable! Should I leave? Don't you want a little privacy so you can show off in peace?
Yes, those kinds of behaviors irritate me, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the gay population; it irritates me regardless of who is doing it.
But seriously, truly, I have never once seen a "gay man performing gay acts on the street." 😂

Brandon Rivera2 said:Seriously though, who's actually getting worked up over stuff happening in public? Does everyone really need to witness everything? People are only as free as society lets them be...

It isn't as if everyone is forced to watch; I suppose people can always just look away.

Brandon Rivera2 said:I mean, who's actually getting into scraps there anyway...

It seems pretty obvious that whenever a soccer player scores, they tend to hug each other or grab one another by the backside quite frequently.

Edward Wilson82 said:Of course it will.

Why?

For instance, in Madrid, nobody is going to give you a second look if you kiss your boyfriend—I’ve seen plenty of couples doing exactly that in Madrid, and honestly, nobody gives a damn who is holding hands or kissing whom.

But in Miami, people would turn their heads immediately...

And look, if one football player slaps another guy on the ass, it doesn't cause a scandal—but if Mark x and Peter y decided to hold hands and take a stroll down the Stradun (assuming they were feeling particularly adventurous), it would cause an absolute uproar. It's just various levels of nonsense.🙄

But fine, I guess in America you really have to be some kind of extreme daredevil or an adrenaline junkie just to be seen walking down the street hugging your partner...

Edward Wilson82 said:Of course it will.

So, I suppose my initial point stands: certain behaviors trigger an aversive reaction—and I am certainly not referring to sexual contact here—but only when those actions are specifically associated with homosexuality.

If those very same behaviors are carried out by people we wouldn't typically categorize as homosexual—for instance, professional football players—then I suspect those same actions won't trigger that same aversion.

It follows, then, that it isn't merely the behavior itself (like hugging or physical familiarity) that causes the reaction; rather, the reaction seems to depend heavily on who is performing the action. ☕

Edward Wilson82 said:Nah. A primitive is just someone who refuses to listen to their own conscience and common sense—specifically the part that tells them male and female aren't sexually compatible. Look, the whole foundation of sexuality relies on duality (male female). You take away that duality, and the whole concept of sexuality doesn't even exist.

I find myself wondering how they "don't fit" when roughly 5-10% of the population identifies as homosexual?

It seems that in those 5-10% of cases, they actually *do* fit. 🤷 That’s just what common sense would suggest. ☕

Furthermore, contrary to your specific definition, if you look at the internet(http://www.answers.com/topic/primitive), it seems an anthropological definition of a primitive person is someone who is uneducated, unsophisticated, or at a lower stage of development.

Ashley Young4 said:For those of you who are comfortable with English, I thought I’d share this fantastic clip from a documentary I recently came across:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-7AoxFEJA

This is quite fascinating—and it reveals so much about the nature of homophobia. 😉

To address the original poster directly: homophobia isn't actually a "phobia" in the clinical sense we usually associate with the word; rather, it is a deep-seated aversion and an intense intolerance toward homosexual individuals. This intolerance manifests in various ways. It isn't limited to physical aggression or shouting hateful slogans; there are much more subtle forms of intolerance as well, such as the common refrain, "I don't have a problem with them, but they should just keep their lifestyle behind closed doors."
Furthermore, homophobia also encompasses that palpable sense of discomfort people feel simply by being in the presence of gay individuals. In my own observation, homophobes tend to be men far more often than women, as women generally seem to possess a more relaxed and open attitude toward sexuality. But again, that is merely my personal impression.

Brandon Rivera2 said:Is everyone pushing back against the LGBTQ+ community just because they're scared, or could there actually be other reasons behind it?

And what exactly would those other reasons be? Is it just a preoccupation with some perceived moral eccentricity? 😵 Furthermore, I find myself wondering, what does it even mean to be an "opponent of homosexuals" in your view? 😕
Honestly, there are so many incredible gay people out there 😁 I actually read online just the other day that Tracy Chapman is gay, and I had absolutely no idea 😲 And frankly, who could possibly hate her or act as her opponent? She is such a phenomenal woman; her singing is divine, her songwriting is brilliant—she is just truly, deeply, incredibly wonderful. 😍

Brandon Rivera2 said:Seriously though, who's actually getting worked up over stuff happening in public? Does everyone really need to witness everything? People are only as free as society lets them be...

Look, here’s the thing—I can argue with anyone, anywhere I want, whenever I feel like it... provided they feel the same way. And honestly, it’s not just a right—officially, at least, as long as you don't cross some line—but personally, I just couldn't care less what people think...

I happen to be in a heterosexual relationship at the moment...

Now, if things were different—if, God forbid, I were in a relationship with someone of the same sex, say a man—and we felt like having a little disagreement, just being humans... well, then we’d actually have to think three times before acting. We’d have to watch where we are and when we do it, because there’s a very real chance someone might physically attack us...

Even if it’s just some random bystander sitting at a coffee shop who doesn't even have any same-sex inclinations themselves... they could end up getting screwed just by being near us...

Can you even imagine someone deciding to attack you—even if they’re just being affectionate—simply because you’re being intimate with your current partner in a public space?

It’s grim, isn't it? Unless you’re planning on performing some sort of solo act on a crowded subway or stripping down in the middle of a pub—which, assuming you're a socially adjusted human being, probably won't happen easily—the reality is much darker...

And see, that's the problem—people of that orientation aren't quite as lucky...
Those individuals can face serious trouble if they show affection or emotional closeness to the person they love, all without knowing if some primitive jerk is going to lash out at them... which can lead to getting beaten up, not to mention the entire social stigma and the endless complications that follow...

So now I’m thinking... imagine if two male friends—heterosexual, Christian, Americans—decided one day, just for kicks, to walk through town holding hands?
Just as a joke, maybe on a dare...
I’m genuinely curious what kind of reactions they’d get from the crowd, and I wonder which part of the city they’d even be allowed to walk through...

Because, goddammit, "they're acting like queers, it's not right, you can't do that in public, two people holding hands like that... it needs to be stopped."

If you look at how the word fear is used in the English language, it’s often linked to psychological conditions. And I guess that’s where the catch is. Homosexuals want to label anyone who finds their behavior repulsive as being "insane." It feels like a smear campaign to me... an attempt at brainwashing to build a society rooted in evil, where perfectly decent citizens end up being mistreated—or "treated," I suppose—in psychiatric wards because of some fabricated "illness" called "homophobia."

Because when you point out that they have psychological issues, they just want to fight... maybe because there's a certain darkness inside them. So much for their version of "normalcy."

I don't think any normal man or woman could feel fear toward something so unnatural. People claiming to have a phobia seem to need police protection, yet it feels like the police only exist to protect homophobic homosexuals. I mean, what is there to be afraid of? They’re supposedly the pacifists of their group; most can't even land a slap.

This whole idea of "homophobia" seems like a political label to me—just a way to flip values upside down and twist perspectives. It's a tactic to justify their warped views, but I guess not everyone is gullible enough to buy into it.

A natural reaction for any normal man might be a sense of disgust toward a homosexual or contempt for a lesbian. Similarly, a normal woman might find a lesbian repulsive and feel contempt for a homosexual. No matter what laws they pass, I don't think they will ever change that natural human response. They aren't looking for progress; they just want to indulge in their own hedonism.

Well, they can enjoy themselves... just not on our dime.

nimblegardener7 said:If you look at how the word fear is used in the English language, it’s often linked to psychological conditions. And I guess that’s where the catch is. Homosexuals want to label anyone who finds their behavior repulsive as being "insane." It feels like a smear campaign to me... an attempt at brainwashing to build a society rooted in evil, where perfectly decent citizens end up being mistreated—or "treated," I suppose—in psychiatric wards because of some fabricated "illness" called "homophobia."

Because when you point out that they have psychological issues, they just want to fight... maybe because there's a certain darkness inside them. So much for their version of "normalcy."

I don't think any normal man or woman could feel fear toward something so unnatural. People claiming to have a phobia seem to need police protection, yet it feels like the police only exist to protect homophobic homosexuals. I mean, what is there to be afraid of? They’re supposedly the pacifists of their group; most can't even land a slap.

This whole idea of "homophobia" seems like a political label to me—just a way to flip values upside down and twist perspectives. It's a tactic to justify their warped views, but I guess not everyone is gullible enough to buy into it.

A natural reaction for any normal man might be a sense of disgust toward a homosexual or contempt for a lesbian. Similarly, a normal woman might find a lesbian repulsive and feel contempt for a homosexual. No matter what laws they pass, I don't think they will ever change that natural human response. They aren't looking for progress; they just want to indulge in their own hedonism.

Well, they can enjoy themselves... just not on our dime.

If anyone reading your post happened to mistakenly believe that you were "normal," I imagine this sentence has certainly made things clear 🤣🤣

Man, do you honestly think the internet would be flooded with lesbian pornography if "normal men" actually despised them? 🤣🤣

I guess I should say congratulations, because you just outed yourself 🤣

Brandon Rivera2 said:So, you're telling me someone can be homophobic without actually hurting anyone?
The post claims homophobia just comes from being uneducated. But can you even be an informed homophobe? And honestly, is it possible for someone to be a genuinely good person while still being homophobic?...

By that same ridiculous standard, one would be an antisemite just for sitting at home harboring hatred toward Jewish people without ever actively lifting a finger to hurt them.

nimblegardener7 said:If you look at how the word fear is used in the English language, it’s often linked to psychological conditions. And I guess that’s where the catch is. Homosexuals want to label anyone who finds their behavior repulsive as being "insane." It feels like a smear campaign to me... an attempt at brainwashing to build a society rooted in evil, where perfectly decent citizens end up being mistreated—or "treated," I suppose—in psychiatric wards because of some fabricated "illness" called "homophobia."

Because when you point out that they have psychological issues, they just want to fight... maybe because there's a certain darkness inside them. So much for their version of "normalcy."

I don't think any normal man or woman could feel fear toward something so unnatural. People claiming to have a phobia seem to need police protection, yet it feels like the police only exist to protect homophobic homosexuals. I mean, what is there to be afraid of? They’re supposedly the pacifists of their group; most can't even land a slap.

This whole idea of "homophobia" seems like a political label to me—just a way to flip values upside down and twist perspectives. It's a tactic to justify their warped views, but I guess not everyone is gullible enough to buy into it.

A natural reaction for any normal man might be a sense of disgust toward a homosexual or contempt for a lesbian. Similarly, a normal woman might find a lesbian repulsive and feel contempt for a homosexual. No matter what laws they pass, I don't think they will ever change that natural human response. They aren't looking for progress; they just want to indulge in their own hedonism.

Well, they can enjoy themselves... just not on our dime.

🤣

how cute

Why on earth would I be disgusted by my friend just because she's a lesbian?
For what reason?
Just because she lives with her girlfriend? I don't see any reason to have any aversion toward her whatsoever
Only bitter people want others to suffer; only miserable people refuse to let others be happy.
I honestly feel sorry for people like that.

nimblegardener7 said:If you look at how the word fear is used in the English language, it’s often linked to psychological conditions. And I guess that’s where the catch is. Homosexuals want to label anyone who finds their behavior repulsive as being "insane." It feels like a smear campaign to me... an attempt at brainwashing to build a society rooted in evil, where perfectly decent citizens end up being mistreated—or "treated," I suppose—in psychiatric wards because of some fabricated "illness" called "homophobia."

Because when you point out that they have psychological issues, they just want to fight... maybe because there's a certain darkness inside them. So much for their version of "normalcy."

I don't think any normal man or woman could feel fear toward something so unnatural. People claiming to have a phobia seem to need police protection, yet it feels like the police only exist to protect homophobic homosexuals. I mean, what is there to be afraid of? They’re supposedly the pacifists of their group; most can't even land a slap.

This whole idea of "homophobia" seems like a political label to me—just a way to flip values upside down and twist perspectives. It's a tactic to justify their warped views, but I guess not everyone is gullible enough to buy into it.

A natural reaction for any normal man might be a sense of disgust toward a homosexual or contempt for a lesbian. Similarly, a normal woman might find a lesbian repulsive and feel contempt for a homosexual. No matter what laws they pass, I don't think they will ever change that natural human response. They aren't looking for progress; they just want to indulge in their own hedonism.

Well, they can enjoy themselves... just not on our dime.

I’m with you on this one. This was spot on.👍

nimblegardener7 said:If you look at how the word fear is used in the English language, it’s often linked to psychological conditions. And I guess that’s where the catch is. Homosexuals want to label anyone who finds their behavior repulsive as being "insane." It feels like a smear campaign to me... an attempt at brainwashing to build a society rooted in evil, where perfectly decent citizens end up being mistreated—or "treated," I suppose—in psychiatric wards because of some fabricated "illness" called "homophobia."

Because when you point out that they have psychological issues, they just want to fight... maybe because there's a certain darkness inside them. So much for their version of "normalcy."

I don't think any normal man or woman could feel fear toward something so unnatural. People claiming to have a phobia seem to need police protection, yet it feels like the police only exist to protect homophobic homosexuals. I mean, what is there to be afraid of? They’re supposedly the pacifists of their group; most can't even land a slap.

This whole idea of "homophobia" seems like a political label to me—just a way to flip values upside down and twist perspectives. It's a tactic to justify their warped views, but I guess not everyone is gullible enough to buy into it.

A natural reaction for any normal man might be a sense of disgust toward a homosexual or contempt for a lesbian. Similarly, a normal woman might find a lesbian repulsive and feel contempt for a homosexual. No matter what laws they pass, I don't think they will ever change that natural human response. They aren't looking for progress; they just want to indulge in their own hedonism.

Well, they can enjoy themselves... just not on our dime.

By the way, I guess you could clarify what exactly you mean by "debauched behavior."😂

nimblegardener7 said:If you look at how the word fear is used in the English language, it’s often linked to psychological conditions. And I guess that’s where the catch is. Homosexuals want to label anyone who finds their behavior repulsive as being "insane." It feels like a smear campaign to me... an attempt at brainwashing to build a society rooted in evil, where perfectly decent citizens end up being mistreated—or "treated," I suppose—in psychiatric wards because of some fabricated "illness" called "homophobia."

Because when you point out that they have psychological issues, they just want to fight... maybe because there's a certain darkness inside them. So much for their version of "normalcy."

I don't think any normal man or woman could feel fear toward something so unnatural. People claiming to have a phobia seem to need police protection, yet it feels like the police only exist to protect homophobic homosexuals. I mean, what is there to be afraid of? They’re supposedly the pacifists of their group; most can't even land a slap.

This whole idea of "homophobia" seems like a political label to me—just a way to flip values upside down and twist perspectives. It's a tactic to justify their warped views, but I guess not everyone is gullible enough to buy into it.

A natural reaction for any normal man might be a sense of disgust toward a homosexual or contempt for a lesbian. Similarly, a normal woman might find a lesbian repulsive and feel contempt for a homosexual. No matter what laws they pass, I don't think they will ever change that natural human response. They aren't looking for progress; they just want to indulge in their own hedonism.

Well, they can enjoy themselves... just not on our dime.

😂 😂 😂 😂

So, according to your logic, if a heterosexual person doesn't feel disgust or contempt for gay people, then they aren't "normal"? Oh, I see—but you, of course, are perfectly normal, the model citizen, the ultimate alpha male, yeah baby 👍 😂 🤣