What exactly is "homophobia"?

Ryan Wood98 said:If anyone reading your post happened to mistakenly believe that you were "normal," I imagine this sentence has certainly made things clear 🤣🤣

Man, do you honestly think the internet would be flooded with lesbian pornography if "normal men" actually despised them? 🤣🤣

I guess I should say congratulations, because you just outed yourself 🤣

Look, I know this might sound weird to you, but not everyone watches porn.
There’s really no need.

Ryan Wood98 said:By the way, I guess you could clarify what exactly you mean by "debauched behavior."😂

Maybe if he kisses his girlfriend on a park bench, or heaven forbid, holds her hand...😲

And don't even get me started on going to bed together.😲

Brrr—way too much immorality for one decent country...

Ryan Wood98 said:If anyone reading your post happened to mistakenly believe that you were "normal," I imagine this sentence has certainly made things clear 🤣🤣

Man, do you honestly think the internet would be flooded with lesbian pornography if "normal men" actually despised them? 🤣🤣

I guess I should say congratulations, because you just outed yourself 🤣

Don't try to be sneaky about this—there's a massive difference between adult film stars doing their jobs for a paycheck and some gross person being a lesbian. And honestly, who even decides if today's guys are "normal" or if consuming porn online is normal... especially when someone spends twelve hours jerking off at a computer while life passes them by...

Emily Robinson4 said:🤣

how cute

Why on earth would I be disgusted by my friend just because she's a lesbian?
For what reason?
Just because she lives with her girlfriend? I don't see any reason to have any aversion toward her whatsoever
Only bitter people want others to suffer; only miserable people refuse to let others be happy.
I honestly feel sorry for people like that.

Unless you happen to be that friend herself...🤣😂

Henry Williams said:Look, I know this might sound weird to you, but not everyone watches porn.
There’s really no need.

It is true that not everyone watches pornography, but it is also true that not everyone is heterosexual.

Some people seem to believe that because most of us are heterosexual, those who aren't (the minority) must somehow be abnormal or disordered.

By that same logic, if the MAJORITY of men watch pornography, then those who choose NOT to (the minority) would also have to be considered abnormal or disordered.

But please don't worry; you can see that there are those of us who belong to the majority, yet we still advocate for the rights of the minority. We will defend your rights in the same way, and we won't let people tell you that you are broken just because you don't watch pornography. 😉

nimblegardener7 said:Unless you happen to be that friend herself...🤣😂

It’s always the same—the second someone makes even a mildly "pro-gay" comment, people immediately jump to the conclusion that they must be part of the community themselves... typical logic, right?

nimblegardener7 said:Don't try to be sneaky about this—there's a massive difference between adult film stars doing their jobs for a paycheck and some gross person being a lesbian. And honestly, who even decides if today's guys are "normal" or if consuming porn online is normal... especially when someone spends twelve hours jerking off at a computer while life passes them by...

So, someone actually told you that, huh?

But come on, give me a specific example—what exactly do you find so repulsive about the lesbian population? I mean, where does this aversion even stem from... did some girl with a buzzcut beat you up when you were a kid or something?

You claim this is just a "natural reaction"

yet I don't experience this supposed "natural" revulsion; quite the opposite, really... if there's a couple of girls worth looking at, my natural reactions tend to lean in a different direction...

So, does that make you more "natural" than I am?

You must be eating better than I am...

Ryan Wood98 said:By the way, I guess you could clarify what exactly you mean by "debauched behavior."😂

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nimblegardener7 said:Don't try to be sneaky about this—there's a massive difference between adult film stars doing their jobs for a paycheck and some gross person being a lesbian. And honestly, who even decides if today's guys are "normal" or if consuming porn online is normal... especially when someone spends twelve hours jerking off at a computer while life passes them by...

I'm not sure I follow. Are you trying to say that you don't have an issue with lesbians, provided they happen to be attractive?

Furthermore, I suppose I am struggling to understand your logic here. You seem to suggest that homosexuals aren't normal simply because they are a minority, yet on the other hand, you claim that people who watch pornography aren't normal, even though they represent the majority?

How exactly do you define the concept of "normal"?

Emily Robinson4 said:It’s always the same—the second someone makes even a mildly "pro-gay" comment, people immediately jump to the conclusion that they must be part of the community themselves... typical logic, right?

It seems like you guys follow that same logic, accusing anyone who opposes the promotion of that lifestyle of being closeted...

nimblegardener7 said:Don't try to be sneaky about this—there's a massive difference between adult film stars doing their jobs for a paycheck and some gross person being a lesbian. And honestly, who even decides if today's guys are "normal" or if consuming porn online is normal... especially when someone spends twelve hours jerking off at a computer while life passes them by...

Well, for fuck's sake, if you consider yourself an example of a "normal" man, then God help us women, because we're all going to end up becoming scrawny, out-of-shape lesbians.😂

By the way, lesbian content in pornography—which is produced primarily for the consumption of heterosexual men—existed long before the internet was ever a thing. If you actually bother to look at adult films from the 70s or 80s, well before the gay rights movement became this widespread phenomenon, you'll see that almost every video features two women fondling each other as an introduction, right before the guy shows up to take over.🤣 The reality is that about 90% of average, heterosexual men find that specific scenario incredibly arousing.

Ryan Wood98 said:It is true that not everyone watches pornography, but it is also true that not everyone is heterosexual.

Some people seem to believe that because most of us are heterosexual, those who aren't (the minority) must somehow be abnormal or disordered.

By that same logic, if the MAJORITY of men watch pornography, then those who choose NOT to (the minority) would also have to be considered abnormal or disordered.

But please don't worry; you can see that there are those of us who belong to the majority, yet we still advocate for the rights of the minority. We will defend your rights in the same way, and we won't let people tell you that you are broken just because you don't watch pornography. 😉

You're honestly just trying to wiggle out of this with nonsense. For me, watching porn is totally unacceptable for a decent person, just like homosexuality is.
I don't see anything strange about thinking that way.

placidwolf27 said:So, someone actually told you that, huh?

But come on, give me a specific example—what exactly do you find so repulsive about the lesbian population? I mean, where does this aversion even stem from... did some girl with a buzzcut beat you up when you were a kid or something?

You claim this is just a "natural reaction"

yet I don't experience this supposed "natural" revulsion; quite the opposite, really... if there's a couple of girls worth looking at, my natural reactions tend to lean in a different direction...

So, does that make you more "natural" than I am?

You must be eating better than I am...

The Law of the Human Mind: people become what they observe. Or, well, a monkey does what a monkey sees. If someone spends too much time in that kind of environment, or watches that sort of pornography...

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So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you consider men who dress provocatively in public to be debauched?

For instance, maybe people like these:
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nimblegardener7 said:It seems like you guys follow that same logic, accusing anyone who opposes the promotion of that lifestyle of being closeted...

First of all, we aren't talking about "behavior"—we're talking about orientation, just like we talk about being straight.
We shouldn't call it "behavior"

Because if we did, nobody in America would "behave" that way unless they were some seriously adventurous, masochistic type...😍

Ryan Wood98 said:I'm not sure I follow. Are you trying to say that you don't have an issue with lesbians, provided they happen to be attractive?

Furthermore, I suppose I am struggling to understand your logic here. You seem to suggest that homosexuals aren't normal simply because they are a minority, yet on the other hand, you claim that people who watch pornography aren't normal, even though they represent the majority?

How exactly do you define the concept of "normal"?

You’re honestly quite skilled at twisting things. I never said it was okay just because some attractive women are involved. My point is simply that in movies—whether mainstream or adult films—homosexual characters are often played by actors portraying heterosexual roles.

I suppose you could view homosexuality as a disruption of the instinct to propagate the species. And if that's the case, then maybe it's a disorder.

Henry Williams said:You're honestly just trying to wiggle out of this with nonsense. For me, watching porn is totally unacceptable for a decent person, just like homosexuality is.
I don't see anything strange about thinking that way.

I'm not quite sure how to explain this... I believe morality is largely something conditioned by society. If the majority of people in a culture consume pornography, then that behavior becomes the norm, and one's refusal to do so would be considered the deviation.

It is perhaps similar to how heterosexuality is viewed as the standard, while homosexuality is seen as a deviation.

The question, I guess, is whether deviating from the norm should be judged, or if it even can be.

Is it right to judge homosexuals or those who abstain from pornography? In a sense, both groups are simply deviating from what society deems the standard.

Ryan Wood98 said:So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you consider men who dress provocatively in public to be debauched?

For instance, maybe people like these:
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It's just sports.🙄 Honestly, I have no clue how this photo even relates to what we were talking about.

Ryan Wood98 said:I'm not quite sure how to explain this... I believe morality is largely something conditioned by society. If the majority of people in a culture consume pornography, then that behavior becomes the norm, and one's refusal to do so would be considered the deviation.

It is perhaps similar to how heterosexuality is viewed as the standard, while homosexuality is seen as a deviation.

The question, I guess, is whether deviating from the norm should be judged, or if it even can be.

Is it right to judge homosexuals or those who abstain from pornography? In a sense, both groups are simply deviating from what society deems the standard.

Honestly, I don't even think the majority of people actually watch porn.☕

nimblegardener7 said:You’re honestly quite skilled at twisting things. I never said it was okay just because some attractive women are involved. My point is simply that in movies—whether mainstream or adult films—homosexual characters are often played by actors portraying heterosexual roles.

I suppose you could view homosexuality as a disruption of the instinct to propagate the species. And if that's the case, then maybe it's a disorder.

Thanks, I suppose my background in marketing comes into play here.

nimblegardener7 said:You’re honestly quite skilled at twisting things. I never said it was okay just because some attractive women are involved. My point is simply that in movies—whether mainstream or adult films—homosexual characters are often played by actors portraying heterosexual roles.

I suppose you could view homosexuality as a disruption of the instinct to propagate the species. And if that's the case, then maybe it's a disorder.

So, I guess the implication is that if someone identifies as heterosexual, it is perfectly acceptable for them to engage in sexual activity with someone of the same gender now and then?

nimblegardener7 said:You’re honestly quite skilled at twisting things. I never said it was okay just because some attractive women are involved. My point is simply that in movies—whether mainstream or adult films—homosexual characters are often played by actors portraying heterosexual roles.

I suppose you could view homosexuality as a disruption of the instinct to propagate the species. And if that's the case, then maybe it's a disorder.

If a homosexual person desires to have a child, would that not suggest they do NOT have a disrupted instinct to preserve the species, given that they want to continue the lineage?

Furthermore, I wonder if a heterosexual person who chooses NOT to have children would also be considered to have such a disruption.