What exactly is "homophobia"?

Brandon Rivera2 said:Is it just coming from some irrational fear, or is there actually some real concern behind it? I mean, can you even have intelligent homophobes out there...

Oh, they definitely exist... but being smart doesn't mean you have any real insight into the world.

You can totally be a brilliant criminal and still be clueless...😉

Lisa Hernandez3 said:Not really—unless they happen to know something I don't. Based on everything I understand about homosexuality, there aren't any valid reasons to respect them, yet at the same time, efforts are made to ensure they still don't receive full civil rights. I suppose that qualifies as homophobic behavior—declaring one thing while acting against them in practice. None of the rights they're fighting for—things like marriage, inheritance, or parenting—can be disputed by any facts regarding those individuals themselves.

I'm not sure I follow.
Is that innate? To whom is it innate? For me, for instance, it isn't.

It seems to me that you, much like our civilization, suffer from an infant complex. You seem to think the world begins with us. But for centuries upon centuries, through millennia, homosexuality, various sexual deviations... just as well as pedophilia, was viewed in healthy societies as—well, a mental disorder. In modern terms: a personality disorder. Perhaps even a manic disorder, or an egocentric disturbance of consciousness. And socially speaking—
a form of maladjustment and an asocial, violent, impulsive-compulsive disorder.

I guess I wonder why an aggressive minority of Western psychiatrists and gay lobbies would be wiser than countless civilizations and thousands of years of human experience—and indeed, nature and Quincy Himself—given that they are designed in such a way that they CANNOT reproduce.

nimblegardener7 said:The Law of the Human Mind: people become what they observe. Or, well, a monkey does what a monkey sees. If someone spends too much time in that kind of environment, or watches that sort of pornography...

...is something actually going to happen?

Are you trying to suggest that homosexuality is contagious?

By that logic, what about bisexuality—does that travel through the airwaves too?

But seriously, does anything actually change?
Will some poor, innocent soul succumb against their will to whatever "evil forces" they're exposed to, or will someone perfectly innocent just suddenly become gay?

So, you're saying people who hang out with gay or lesbian folks start imitating them spontaneously—like monkeys, as you put it—as if humans possess some sort of magical power to hypnotize us poor heterosexuals...

Have you personally experienced this, or are you just theorizing that the monkey really does mimic the monkey?

Even if we accept your premise, it doesn't explain what your specific issue is—say, with lesbians, for example?
It seems obvious you haven't actually known anyone who isn't heterosexual (though you likely have, and they just kept it under wraps, which is only natural)

And how is it that all gay people don't simply turn heterosexual, given that we are surrounded by an endless supply of hetero material? One might think the influence works both ways, but clearly it doesn't... I suppose they must be immune.

Brandon Rivera2 said:Why would I even look at you in public? You can hook up at home as much as you want. Unless, well, maybe you don't have a roof over your head so you gotta do it outside...

Well, you don't have to look at anyone if you don't want to; nobody is forcing you. You could always just stare at the ground

or up at the sky...

Lisa Hernandez3 said:Not really—unless they happen to know something I don't. Based on everything I understand about homosexuality, there aren't any valid reasons to respect them, yet at the same time, efforts are made to ensure they still don't receive full civil rights. I suppose that qualifies as homophobic behavior—declaring one thing while acting against them in practice. None of the rights they're fighting for—things like marriage, inheritance, or parenting—can be disputed by any facts regarding those individuals themselves.

I'm not sure I follow.
Is that innate? To whom is it innate? For me, for instance, it isn't.

Biological programming isn't set in stone—it’s influenced by everything from genetics and prenatal stuff to hormones, how you were raised, and even social circles. But for most people, that biological baseline stays pretty standard, leading to a natural aversion toward various sexual orientations. That's why you see pushback against homosexuality in every society on the planet, no matter how hard political correctness tries to bury it.

wearyorca94 said:Oh, they definitely exist... but being smart doesn't mean you have any real insight into the world.

You can totally be a brilliant criminal and still be clueless...😉

But if I'm some genius criminal, then I definitely have a deep understanding of crime. I don't really see the connection there...

nimblegardener7 said:It seems pretty clear from your posts that you don't actually think you have a problem here; rather, it feels like you just showed up to this forum for a bit of entertainment.

My extensive experience on these forums (as my post count might suggest) has taught me that people generally visit for one of two reasons—either to find some amusement or because they are facing an actual issue.

I suppose I wonder which category you fall into?

nimblegardener7 said:God established

Maybe this is where the issue lies? Did God tell you it was alright to refer to people as "scrawny, fat lesbians"?

nimblegardener7 said:Of course, you will likely claim that the data isn't accurate,

Generally speaking, when someone makes a vague assertion, I tend to point out that the information might be incorrect. But if you are insisting it is "common knowledge" that the most horrific crimes occur within homosexual communities, then I would suggest you search the internet and provide links to specific data regarding those crimes. In return, I will look up the crimes committed by various religious individuals in the name of the Church and Jesus. Then, perhaps at the end, we can compare our findings and see who uncovered more instances of heinous acts. Does that sound fair?

I might have actually read the rest of your post, if it didn't sound quite so much like dogmatic brainwashing.🤷

Lisa Hernandez3 said:Well, I suppose that’s a much larger conversation. You actually had an entire thread dedicated to homosexuality—looking at it from a psychological standpoint—where all sorts of topics regarding sexuality and homophobia were dissected. Maybe you could revisit that one to get a better sense of how homophobia actually manifests in the real world, and perhaps see the different levels it can take.

Some homophobes don't even realize that homosexuality is relatively common within the population and is a natural occurrence—not some kind of psychological disorder—while others seem to think that gaining equal rights doesn't threaten the rights of heterosexual people, nor does it pose any risk to children or the traditional institution of marriage and family. 🤷

But what about the folks who actually get all that, yet they're still dead set against gay rights?

nimblegardener7 is absolutely terrifying 🤣

Honestly, whenever I’m reading his posts, I start picturing scenes straight out of a nightmare horror movie—it's wild. He’d be the perfect guy to write a thriller set in the middle of nowhere, maybe somewhere deep in the Scottish Highlands... though honestly, even some remote parts of Montana would work just fine.

Go for it, baby! 🎉

placidwolf27 said:...is something actually going to happen?

Are you trying to suggest that homosexuality is contagious?

By that logic, what about bisexuality—does that travel through the airwaves too?

But seriously, does anything actually change?
Will some poor, innocent soul succumb against their will to whatever "evil forces" they're exposed to, or will someone perfectly innocent just suddenly become gay?

So, you're saying people who hang out with gay or lesbian folks start imitating them spontaneously—like monkeys, as you put it—as if humans possess some sort of magical power to hypnotize us poor heterosexuals...

Have you personally experienced this, or are you just theorizing that the monkey really does mimic the monkey?

Even if we accept your premise, it doesn't explain what your specific issue is—say, with lesbians, for example?
It seems obvious you haven't actually known anyone who isn't heterosexual (though you likely have, and they just kept it under wraps, which is only natural)

And how is it that all gay people don't simply turn heterosexual, given that we are surrounded by an endless supply of hetero material? One might think the influence works both ways, but clearly it doesn't... I suppose they must be immune.

Well, you don't have to look at anyone if you don't want to; nobody is forcing you. You could always just stare at the ground

or up at the sky...

Public spaces come with certain social rules. Even minor things can be seen as totally inappropriate in public, like eating food or something. At home, you can do whatever you want.

Edward Wilson82 said:Biological programming isn't set in stone—it’s influenced by everything from genetics and prenatal stuff to hormones, how you were raised, and even social circles. But for most people, that biological baseline stays pretty standard, leading to a natural aversion toward various sexual orientations. That's why you see pushback against homosexuality in every society on the planet, no matter how hard political correctness tries to bury it.

If that’s the case, then why don't I feel that same aversion—at least, not in its full capacity? Why wouldn't that be something hardwired or natural for me?

nimblegardener7 said:It seems to me that you, much like our civilization, suffer from an infant complex. You seem to think the world begins with us. But for centuries upon centuries, through millennia, homosexuality, various sexual deviations... just as well as pedophilia, was viewed in healthy societies as—well, a mental disorder. In modern terms: a personality disorder. Perhaps even a manic disorder, or an egocentric disturbance of consciousness. And socially speaking—
a form of maladjustment and an asocial, violent, impulsive-compulsive disorder.

I guess I wonder why an aggressive minority of Western psychiatrists and gay lobbies would be wiser than countless civilizations and thousands of years of human experience—and indeed, nature and Quincy Himself—given that they are designed in such a way that they CANNOT reproduce.

How exactly can they not reproduce? If people are physically healthy, they can have children just fine—it’s how we’ve built entire families and societies throughout history, whether through men and women, or through gay individuals who spend their lives hiding who they are, or simply watching marriages fall apart once the lies become too heavy to carry.

Do you honestly believe that homosexual people don't marry and have children within heterosexual unions?

Brandon Rivera2 said:Is it just coming from some irrational fear, or is there actually some real concern behind it? I mean, can you even have intelligent homophobes out there...

The more I find myself reading through these forum discussions, the more I seem to ask this same question.

Emily Robinson4 said:nimblegardener7 is absolutely terrifying 🤣

Honestly, whenever I’m reading his posts, I start picturing scenes straight out of a nightmare horror movie—it's wild. He’d be the perfect guy to write a thriller set in the middle of nowhere, maybe somewhere deep in the Scottish Highlands... though honestly, even some remote parts of Montana would work just fine.

Go for it, baby! 🎉

Yeah, he's great for fiction—and for hate speech on a PDF that isn't even meant for literary works.

Brandon Rivera2 said:Henry Williams:

I don't know about you guys, but I am just feeling so incredibly pumped today... everything is finally starting to click into place and it feels like the universe is actually on my side for once... life is good... Henry Williams says: What else could be driving this... maybe just some obsession with keeping everyone acting all moral and stuff? 😵 So, what does being an "opponent of homosexuals" actually mean to you... 😕 Man, there are just so many awesome gay people out there... 😁 So I was just scrolling through the internet the other day and stumbled upon some news saying that Tracy Chapman is gay... honestly had no clue at all... 😲 Honestly, who could even hate on her or try to go against her? She's just incredible... her voice is insane, the songs are killer, she's just straight up amazing... 😍

I mean, I'm talking about the opposition when it comes to fighting for specific rights, not just the people themselves...

I find it difficult to see how those two concepts can be separated. One cannot claim to have no issue with certain people while simultaneously attempting to strip away their fundamental rights. It is a logical contradiction; it would be akin to someone claiming they aren't racist while arguing that Black Americans should be denied the right to vote. You simply cannot decouple the treatment from the person.

Brandon Rivera2 said:Gay people aren't being discriminated against. They can always marry someone of the opposite sex and have kids with them if they want to...

I see. And then, I suppose, they can just divorce that person because they don't actually love them, take the child, and go live with the same-sex partner they truly care about?

In fact, that seems to be what often happens, simply because it might be the most straightforward way for them to have a child.

Brandon Rivera2 said:Public spaces come with certain social rules. Even minor things can be seen as totally inappropriate in public, like eating food or something. At home, you can do whatever you want.

Where on earth do you live, man? What kind of "infraction" are we even talking about here?

Is hugging and kissing considered a crime now?

Or is it perfectly fine if I do it with my girlfriend, but if two guys or two girls do it, suddenly they've committed a "social infraction"—just like eating in public, right?... It’s getting ridiculous...

Henry Williams said:It's just sports.🙄 Honestly, I have no clue how this photo even relates to what we were talking about.

Well, I once asked someone what they thought defined the term "lewd," and they described it as photos of men dressed provocatively in public spaces. This image follows that exact same logic—it shows men in minimal clothing in a public setting.

To me, it feels just as lewd. 🤷

But, then again, maybe I'm just a bit twisted since I watch the UFC 🤷

Anthony Garcia10 said:I find it difficult to see how those two concepts can be separated. One cannot claim to have no issue with certain people while simultaneously attempting to strip away their fundamental rights. It is a logical contradiction; it would be akin to someone claiming they aren't racist while arguing that Black Americans should be denied the right to vote. You simply cannot decouple the treatment from the person.

Look, I'm really not in any position to be calling the shots on what happens with the LGBTQ+ community...

nimblegardener7 said:That’s like claiming people who are 5'3" are being discriminated against just because they can't dunk a basketball. Who discriminated against those poor gays—nature itself?! 😂 They belong in the Hague!🤣

Look, a man suffering from paranoid psychosis who hides away within his own four walls isn't hurting anyone—yet doctors "discriminate" against him by denying him his "rights" and locking him up in a psychiatric ward. The most severely ill often deny their own condition entirely. Homosexuals are both mentally and physically deformed. To make matters worse—in such an advanced stage of sickness—they now claim they are the healthy ones, while we, the normal and natural people, are labeled as sick, stupid, and regressive...

When you bring a critically ill patient into an asylum, the worst thing for them is if they publicly declare they aren't insane! For people like that, the straightjacket only gets tightened. Connect that to gay people. It's the same thing—metaphorically speaking. Except, instead of tightening the straightjackets, they are released into society to poison children, youth, families, and society at large with their decadent behavior! Not only are they released as "healthy," but society actually INVESTS in their propaganda—promoting decadence, immorality, and inciting homosexuality... Essentially, gays are deemed "normal," and there is an active attempt to infect the rest of this healthy, normal planet!

It is true that their rights are being trampled, but there is one thing—the most important thing—that needs to happen: they need treatment.

Honestly, I don't even know what to say to you—how on earth could a homosexual influence Peter to be attracted to him after 22 years? He couldn't.

Or how could Peter possibly be influenced to be attracted to Pamela? You could cover his entire room in posters of Pamela, and he still wouldn't be interested.

And please, stop writing this nonsense. At first, it was funny; now, it's just pathetic.

placidwolf27 said:Where on earth do you live, man? What kind of "infraction" are we even talking about here?

Is hugging and kissing considered a crime now?

Or is it perfectly fine if I do it with my girlfriend, but if two guys or two girls do it, suddenly they've committed a "social infraction"—just like eating in public, right?... It’s getting ridiculous...

I mean, nobody really wants to see someone out in the middle of a plaza stuffing their face with greasy burgers and onions or dropping pizza crusts everywhere...