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Should R. Čačić just step down from politics already?

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Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#161 ·
briskbison55 said:but isn't it actually kinetic energy?

What about friction and all those formulas for calculating stopping distance?

Man, what formulas? I mean, it seems like you actually know better than to suggest we should just sit around waiting for the government agencies to finish their paperwork.

Did you even consider that the vehicle mass is almost double? Or does that not matter to you?

I’m telling you, just take your own car and smash it into a parked vehicle at that speed, then let us know if the mass makes the damage cost thousands, tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And now we're onto "elastic collisions"? That bolded part really highlights just how much you know about physics...

Just because you don't grasp how friction works during braking—or how to calculate speed based on skid marks—doesn't mean those concepts aren't taught in basic middle school.

So, I'm asking you again: does having nearly double the mass make a difference? And yet, here you are, still trolling me about the idea of intentionally ramming my car into someone else's parked vehicle...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#162 ·
Roger Hughes14 said:Just look at the condition of Čačić's tank... it says everything you need to know about that gap...
He was driving way too fast... much faster than the car could actually handle. He’s like a kamikaze pilot, even if he doesn't realize it...

How much faster?

Words like "really fast" or "way faster" aren't exactly terms that math or physics recognize... and that's all I'm getting at here...

I’m not arguing about who’s at fault—I’m just saying we should probably leave the actual data and velocity calculations to the professionals...
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#163 ·
Adam Collins4 said:See, you're lying when you claim you never speed...

You caused the accident because you were driving too fast...

And if I recall correctly, one of those total wrecks was someone swerving in from the side, while in the other case, someone else slammed into him...



Get real!!!

I wasn't speeding.
Just braked hard.
Car slid on the black ice.
It was an old Ford and didn't even have ABS.

Hit the Ford in front of me.
Only snapped his license plate bracket!
It was a massive pileup with five cars involved!!

Who gave you the right to call someone a liar in a regular discussion?!?!
And you're out here defending a liar!!!!!
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#164 ·
Charles Martin2 said:

Get real!!!

I wasn't speeding.
Just braked hard.
Car slid on the black ice.
It was an old Ford and didn't even have ABS.

Hit the Ford in front of me.
Only snapped his license plate bracket!
It was a massive pileup with five cars involved!!

Who gave you the right to call someone a liar in a regular discussion?!?!
And you're out here defending a liar!!!!!

Look, you were speeding again, and I was following too close... and because of both of us, there's a crash...

Because clearly, if you had to slam the brakes like that, you weren't leaving enough space...
briskbison55 briskbison55 Active Member
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#165 ·
Adam Collins4 said:And now we're onto "elastic collisions"? That bolded part really highlights just how much you know about physics...

Just because you don't grasp how friction works during braking—or how to calculate speed based on skid marks—doesn't mean those concepts aren't taught in basic middle school.

So, I'm asking you again: does having nearly double the mass make a difference? And yet, here you are, still trolling me about the idea of intentionally ramming my car into someone else's parked vehicle...

Man, you're something else. You basically say that what I brought up isn't taught in middle school, and then you immediately start throwing out technical terms that aren't even covered in high school. But hey, if that makes you feel better...
Just because you don't get how friction works during braking or how to calculate speed based on skid marks, doesn't mean that stuff isn't part of the curriculum back in elementary school...

And just imagine when the Policia claims there were no skid marks at all because Cacic just slammed into the car because he didn't see it. But don't worry, I'll be right here to remind you that even middle schoolers know who's at fault when someone hits a car and kills two people in the process.

You know what's actually funny? If this involved someone like a major politician or some big-shot CEO from a huge corporation, you’d probably be demanding a public lynching or at least some kind of mob justice.

So let me ask you, does having a dual-mass flywheel have any impact at all? And you're still just trolling me about how I supposedly drove my own car straight into someone else's parked vehicle...

Oh, it matters. It totally matters. A dual-mass flywheel makes the weapon used in the killing way more interesting for the Policia and the forensic experts. But hey, once he gets out of prison—if he ever even sees the inside of one—at least he might find work driving a truck for an American.
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#166 ·

Back to the point!
It doesn't matter if Cacic is holding some non-partisan role
he's still a public figure and the tribe should demand his resignation!
He and his party keep bringing up Europe
but there isn't even a real debate happening about it here!!!
If he didn't step down right this second, the papers would have him
on the front page until he finally does it!!!
darkfox5 darkfox5 Member
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#167 ·
bluerider63 said:I get where you're coming from, but honestly, you can't really compare these two situations. Reckless driving could just as easily be someone flying down the interstate in perfect sunshine while going over 81 miles/h, or pretty much anyone else ignoring the limit regardless of whether it's pouring rain or not. And let's be real, how many people actually push past those limits? You could probably argue that over 90% of Žužić's crowd is out there doing exactly that on the road.

Look, it's common sense that you have to adjust your speed when the weather turns bad—that's when most accidents happen..

You're basically defending the indefensible just because Čačić fits your political vibe. If this were, say, Jandroković, your argument would be the exact opposite... which is honestly pathetic, considering we're talking about actual lives lost here!
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#168 ·
briskbison55 said:Man, you're something else. You basically say that what I brought up isn't taught in middle school, and then you immediately start throwing out technical terms that aren't even covered in high school. But hey, if that makes you feel better...
Just because you don't get how friction works during braking or how to calculate speed based on skid marks, doesn't mean that stuff isn't part of the curriculum back in elementary school...

And just imagine when the Policia claims there were no skid marks at all because Cacic just slammed into the car because he didn't see it. But don't worry, I'll be right here to remind you that even middle schoolers know who's at fault when someone hits a car and kills two people in the process.

You know what's actually funny? If this involved someone like a major politician or some big-shot CEO from a huge corporation, you’d probably be demanding a public lynching or at least some kind of mob justice.

So let me ask you, does having a dual-mass flywheel have any impact at all? And you're still just trolling me about how I supposedly drove my own car straight into someone else's parked vehicle...

Oh, it matters. It totally matters. A dual-mass flywheel makes the weapon used in the killing way more interesting for the Policia and the forensic experts. But hey, once he gets out of prison—if he ever even sees the inside of one—at least he might find work driving a truck for an American.

Elastic and inelastic collisions... honestly, you're acting like that's high-level stuff they only teach in college or high school...

I'm asking specifically because it's clear you're confusing the two...

Your grasp on physics is pretty shaky, to say the least...

And you completely glossed over how having nearly double the mass significantly amplifies the impact and the resulting damage—if that's even the right way to put it.
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#169 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Look, you were speeding again, and I was following too close... and because of both of us, there's a crash...

Because clearly, if you had to slam the brakes like that, you weren't leaving enough space...


I think the street was called Drvinje
and there's that steep underpass
right by the traffic light
three cars had already collided, which I didn't account for
so I slammed the brakes and skidded
then someone else rear-ended me and that was it!
The police said it didn't matter and everyone except the first guy was at fault!

See, you blame me, but you defend Cacic
even though the situation is exactly the same!!!

Do you just hate me while you love Cacic?!
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#170 ·
darkfox5 said:Look, it's common sense that you have to adjust your speed when the weather turns bad—that's when most accidents happen..

You're basically defending the indefensible just because Čačić fits your political vibe. If this were, say, Jandroković, your argument would be the exact opposite... which is honestly pathetic, considering we're talking about actual lives lost here!

Look, you should be adjusting your driving regardless of what the weather is doing, but honestly, there aren't many people out there who actually bother to follow that rule.
I'm not trying to stick up for R. Čačić—he messed up, plain and simple, and everyone knows it. I just don't see why he shouldn't stay on the job until things actually play out in court, assuming he even ends up facing prison time.
darkfox5 darkfox5 Member
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#171 ·
bluerider63 said:Look, you should be adjusting your driving regardless of what the weather is doing, but honestly, there aren't many people out there who actually bother to follow that rule.
I'm not trying to stick up for R. Čačić—he messed up, plain and simple, and everyone knows it. I just don't see why he shouldn't stay on the job until things actually play out in court, assuming he even ends up facing prison time.

There's actually no provision for probation for a felony like this...
Thomas Roberts2 Thomas Roberts2 Newcomer
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#172 ·
Adam Collins4 said:And was he "impaired" when he left his house and hopped into a vehicle he wasn't even licensed to drive?

Was he also just "impaired" when he stumbled back into the car outside the local pub?

There is absolutely no chance you will convince me to step up and defend Žužić.

In the end, we see the exact same mindset in both Žužić and Čačić—that pervasive sense of untouchability. It was this very arrogance, this belief that they were above the rules, that ultimately led to the deaths of innocent people.

Žužić is nothing more than a sheltered little trust-fund kid whose mother bled him dry until he finally managed to screw up on a massive scale.

On the other hand, Čačić is also incredibly wealthy, but more importantly, he belongs to that specific breed of politician—the kind that makes up the untouchable elite in America. They operate within their own sacred circle, seemingly above the law. However, he is particularly volatile and prone to crumbling under pressure.
His entire sense of arrogance and entitlement was on full display in that video, where he goes out of his way to humiliate that officer simply because he knows he's untouchable.

I have absolutely no doubt that this kind of manic attitude carries over behind the wheel, and on the road, that can be fatal. It’s a tragedy, really—it all ended up breaking two innocent people.
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#173 ·

Cacic needs his own physics formula.
Mass times acceleration equals force!!!

Take his personality into account when you calculate that force!!
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#174 ·
bluerider63 said:Look, you should be adjusting your driving regardless of what the weather is doing, but honestly, there aren't many people out there who actually bother to follow that rule.
I'm not trying to stick up for R. Čačić—he messed up, plain and simple, and everyone knows it. I just don't see why he shouldn't stay on the job until things actually play out in court, assuming he even ends up facing prison time.


If he’s guilty—and he is—why wait for some judge to decide??!!
He was out there acting all high and mighty about morality this past Sunday!!!
If he won't follow the laws, even the unwritten ones,
then what right does he have to lecture us about politics?!
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#175 ·
Charles Martin2 said:

I think the street was called Drvinje
and there's that steep underpass
right by the traffic light
three cars had already collided, which I didn't account for
so I slammed the brakes and skidded
then someone else rear-ended me and that was it!
The police said it didn't matter and everyone except the first guy was at fault!

See, you blame me, but you defend Cacic
even though the situation is exactly the same!!!

Do you just hate me while you love Cacic?!

Look, I don't harbor any resentment toward the people who rear-ended me twice just to justify someone else... hatred isn't really a feeling I've ever carried for anyone...

And the cops said you were the one at fault, without even bothering to look at how bad the road actually was... but whatever...

It's not like I'm defending Cacic—I've said plenty of times that he's guilty and I can't wait for the trial to happen...

You're acting like me waiting for actual facts is some kind of defense...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#176 ·
Thomas Roberts2 said:There is absolutely no chance you will convince me to step up and defend Žužić.

In the end, we see the exact same mindset in both Žužić and Čačić—that pervasive sense of untouchability. It was this very arrogance, this belief that they were above the rules, that ultimately led to the deaths of innocent people.

Žužić is nothing more than a sheltered little trust-fund kid whose mother bled him dry until he finally managed to screw up on a massive scale.

On the other hand, Čačić is also incredibly wealthy, but more importantly, he belongs to that specific breed of politician—the kind that makes up the untouchable elite in America. They operate within their own sacred circle, seemingly above the law. However, he is particularly volatile and prone to crumbling under pressure.
His entire sense of arrogance and entitlement was on full display in that video, where he goes out of his way to humiliate that officer simply because he knows he's untouchable.

I have absolutely no doubt that this kind of manic attitude carries over behind the wheel, and on the road, that can be fatal. It’s a tragedy, really—it all ended up breaking two innocent people.

Not that I expect you to defend anyone...

You're just pointing out the differences... and regarding that level of culpability I mentioned earlier—the part where the court really needs to determine exactly how much there was...
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#177 ·
So, what was the deal with that whole story about the woman losing control of her car, swerving right into the guardrail, bouncing back into the lane, and then—boom—that's when Čačić hit her? I mean, some news outlets actually went as far as publishing those little sketches to show how it happened... 🙂
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#178 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:So, what was the deal with that whole story about the woman losing control of her car, swerving right into the guardrail, bouncing back into the lane, and then—boom—that's when Čačić hit her? I mean, some news outlets actually went as far as publishing those little sketches to show how it happened... 🙂

It’s all just guesswork at this point—pure speculation, really. At the end of the day, it’s on the experts to actually dig in and do the heavy lifting to find out what's really going on.

And the second anyone dares to say a word against Čačić, the defense squad jumps in immediately...
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#179 ·
I’m no Democrat, nor do I ever plan on being one, but let's be real: Mr. Čačić is an incredibly stubborn, arrogant guy. It's beyond ridiculous that the Republicans are still keeping people like him around.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#180 ·
Charles Martin2 said:

If he’s guilty—and he is—why wait for some judge to decide??!!
He was out there acting all high and mighty about morality this past Sunday!!!
If he won't follow the laws, even the unwritten ones,
then what right does he have to lecture us about politics?!

Because he's being tried like any other regular citizen who caused a car wreck, not because of whatever mess he made while acting as a party leader.

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