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Did the brawl in paradise actually happen?

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John Parker5 John Parker5 Member
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#61 ·
A kid gets slapped here and there, maybe just a smack on the butt, and the parents act like it’s no big deal because "it's just skin, it doesn't have a soul." How is that even okay? I mean, my dad (or mom, whatever) hit me, but they loved me, right? So now that I'm grown up, I figure I'll give my own kid a little discipline too—because that's just how it works. Look, physical punishment might not be heaven-sent, but it definitely gets passed down from generation to generation!😍stubborn as a mule😉
crimsonhound80 crimsonhound80 Active Member
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#62 ·
Michael Ortiz5 said:There is absolutely no excuse for hitting children with objects—belts, sticks, hairbrushes, you name it—but I don't see any harm in an occasional swat on the backside or behind the ear when necessary.

Talking things through is all well and good, but sometimes logic just doesn't cut it. Take this situation, for example:
I remember getting disciplined for the first time after I swiped candy from a convenience store for the fourth time in a row. I was four years old. For the first three times, my mom tried the gentle approach—"Sweetie, that isn't right, we don't do that." But honestly, if she hadn't finally laid down the law on that fourth attempt, I probably would have kept stealing.

What else was her mother supposed to do? Sit her down for the five-hundredth lecture? Children simply haven't developed the capacity for complex reasoning—you know, understanding cause and effect—that a rational adult possesses. That comes with age.

And looking at how many kids act these days... the screaming, the flailing, the sheer disrespect... honestly, good luck trying to reason with a little monster like that.

Yeah, and people actually label them as "indigo" children or "hyperactive." 🤮

I have a buddy—my best man—who has one of these "indigo" geniuses, and let me tell you, the kid doesn't have a shred of respect for his parents, even though both of them are professional educators here in the States.

His other son is perfectly fine, raised under the exact same circumstances, without any "discipline."

When I look at that little guy, I see nothing but pure mischief in his eyes; 🤣 he’s manipulative, cunning, and he knows exactly how to exploit his parents' kindness and manners.

If you ask me, he wouldn't be an "indigo" child—he'd just be a brat who needs some discipline.

Look, not every horse is meant for a saddle, and not every person can handle the truth, but sometimes you have to rein a horse in with a firm hand because, well, it's a HORSE—it just doesn't understand any other way of communicating.
John Parker5 John Parker5 Member
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#63 ·
crimsonhound80 said:Yeah, and people actually label them as "indigo" children or "hyperactive." 🤮

I have a buddy—my best man—who has one of these "indigo" geniuses, and let me tell you, the kid doesn't have a shred of respect for his parents, even though both of them are professional educators here in the States.

His other son is perfectly fine, raised under the exact same circumstances, without any "discipline."

When I look at that little guy, I see nothing but pure mischief in his eyes; 🤣 he’s manipulative, cunning, and he knows exactly how to exploit his parents' kindness and manners.

If you ask me, he wouldn't be an "indigo" child—he'd just be a brat who needs some discipline.

Look, not every horse is meant for a saddle, and not every person can handle the truth, but sometimes you have to rein a horse in with a firm hand because, well, it's a HORSE—it just doesn't understand any other way of communicating.

Then you’ve clearly never owned a horse...
Roger Rodriguez Roger Rodriguez Active Member
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#64 ·
Morgan Cooper34 said:Oh, and I nearly forgot this part.

There is a massive difference between psychological or verbal abuse—we're talking about the daily grind of crushing a child's spirit, systematically dismantling their sense of self and integrity—and just offering some justified criticism when they actually mess up. You know, using critique as a legitimate tool for guidance.

It’s the same deal with physical stuff. There is a world of difference between outright physical abuse—beating a kid just to vent or to break their will—and using corporal punishment as a last resort when nothing else seems to work.

In both cases of true abuse, you end up with traumatized children who never felt truly loved by their parents. But in the second scenario—with occasional criticism or discipline—if the child still feels that underlying parental love even after being corrected, there isn't any chance of them becoming traumatized.

My goodness, isn't that just common sense? I completely agree with what was said earlier; none of us can predict how life will unfold or how we will react one day. Some kids only need five minutes of explanation to understand right from wrong and they listen, whereas others seem to go out of their way to cause trouble.
As for long-term consequences, I won't let anyone convince me that a little discipline causes lasting trauma. My mother was always the authority figure; I never feared her, but her firm tone and the occasional ear-tugging turned me into the most well-behaved kid on the block. On the other hand, my father was completely indifferent and detached, and if I have any bad memories from my childhood, it’s because of his lack of involvement.
James Ramirez10 James Ramirez10 Active Member
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#65 ·
Why can't we just merge these two threads about parenting? At the end of the day, they're both tackling the exact same dilemma: whether or not to use physical discipline.
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active Member
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#66 ·
It’s honestly hilarious how you guys just breeze right past the idea that a few slaps actually leave a mark, haha
What is wrong with you people? It’s not like we have our traumas tattooed on our foreheads or something. What do you think this is—a psychology textbook or some random Reddit thread?
A smack to the face is an invasion of a kid's personal space, plain and simple—just like snatching a toy out of their hands. It's all the same stuff.
Why are you so terrified of tearing down those perfect little statues of your "ideal" parents? You know, the ones who turned you into "well-behaved" little soldiers through old-school, drill-sergeant parenting.
Just take them off the pedestal already.
Lawrence Wilson35 Lawrence Wilson35 Member
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#67 ·
Violence is violence—whether it is psychological or physical, whether it is inflicted on a woman, a man, a child, or an animal.
When discussing physical abuse against children in the US, people talk about "spanking." In Northern Europe, they call it "slapping." In other places, they might use even more euphemistic terms to soften the blow. But regardless of how different cultures choose to label it, the reality remains unchanged: it is all just different names for the same thing—VIOLENCE.
I suspect that when people attempt to justify "discipline," what they are actually doing is trying to justify themselves, the families they were raised in, or the political and religious regimes that shaped them.
And frankly, it isn't surprising. Their logic usually follows this pattern: "My parents hit me with a belt a few times and I turned out fine; I grew up to be a decent person, and I still love my parents."
And truly, we shouldn't necessarily blame our parents for those moments of physical discipline; they were simply doing the best they knew how to do at the time.
However, we know better today. We understand that violence is unacceptable, and therefore, we must reflect and learn from the mistakes of previous generations.
We know that the situation is far more complex than the simplistic argument: "My parents hit me occasionally, so I turned out okay."
We recognize that a child is a human being from birth—a concept that wasn't universally accepted even twenty years ago in many parts of the world. From this, a simple logic follows: if we wouldn't strike our partners, why should we ever strike our children?
To those who argue that an adult possesses a formed personality while a child does not: tell me, does that give us permission to hit them? I will say this to such people: whether adult or child, Black or White, male or female—every single human being possesses DIGNITY. Whether it is a spanking, a slap, pulling an ear, or constant criticism, that dignity is being stripped away. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS DIGNITY.
Today, we understand that every individual is unique and reacts differently. Some may have been hit multiple times and appear unaffected, while others might be haunted by a single instance for their entire lives. Are we really willing to gamble and experiment with our own children?
We also know that children are fully competent beings who cooperate with their parents in two distinct ways: directly or inversely. Both are forms of COOPERATION—the act of sending a message to a parent that something is wrong. In cases of violence, some children cooperate directly by rebelling, becoming aggressive, defiant, stubborn, or hysterical; essentially, they become destructive or self-destructive. Others cooperate inversely by withdrawing, enduring the abuse, becoming passive, and eventually believing they deserve the treatment or that violence is normal as long as it comes from someone stronger. Again, they become destructive or self-destructive.

Regardless of the philosophy used to defend it, the most critical fact is this: every time we use violence against a child, we strip away a piece of their SELF-ESTEEM—their fundamental realization that they have inherent value simply by existing.
Perhaps because we struck them, our children might not grow up to be alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals, or depressed individuals. Perhaps they won't turn to suicide, theft, or prostitution; perhaps they will love and respect us. MAYBE. But one thing is certain:
Every form of violence—regardless of the flag under which it is waved, the name it is given, or the "justification" provided—communicates to a child that they are not worthy. In doing so, we violate a basic human right: the RIGHT TO DIGNITY.
Through every episode of violence, children learn that they are worth less and less.
By using violence, we create individuals who lack self-love and self-respect, and who are irresponsible toward their own lives. This inevitably leads to a lack of respect for others and irresponsibility toward society as a whole.
Through violence, we mold personalities that are controlled by external forces, when our goal should be to raise people who are capable of being themselves.

There is no need to condemn our parents; they were once children too, raised in their own way. Even in modern democratic societies, patriarchal undertones remain. Imagine how difficult it was for our parents living under the regimes they grew up in.
Criticism isn't the point; reflection is.
We must step outside of social norms, outdated rules, and rigid frameworks, because our children deserve nothing less.
We must liberate ourselves from superficial, arrogant, and imposed attitudes and start thinking for OURSELVES. We need to think deeply about what is right, rather than settling for shallow conclusions.
I’ll admit, it’s an uphill battle. Swimming against the current is exhausting when traditionalism still runs so deep in America; you end up risking social stigma just for trying something different, especially when there aren't even any role models to look up to.
What’s more, it feels like we have to reinvent the very concept of parenting from scratch, which is incredibly difficult.
But I truly believe the effort pays off.
In a household where individual identity is respected and every single person is treated with equal dignity, everyone wins—both the children and the parents.
The alternative? When there is violence or coercion, nobody comes out happy.
Parenting isn't a one-way street from parent to child; it flows both ways.
It’s a reciprocal process where everyone involved is learning.
We need to actually observe our children instead of resorting to force, because they will tell us everything we need to know. Children are inherently social creatures—is there anything more "social" than sending a message to someone else that they are hurting us??!
Let’s try to look past those shallow, arrogant, stagnant views that suggest corporal punishment is some kind of divine necessity.
Some people argue that today’s kids are too rebellious or aggressive because they’ve been raised in "democratic" households... and honestly, I agree.
Those are the children of parents who gave them everything they wanted, centered their entire lives around their kids, and lost themselves in the process. Kids actually need their parents. (Rebellion and aggression are often just cries for cooperation). Children usually know what they want, but they rarely know what they actually need. What they need is parental guidance built on mutual respect: I respect myself, and I respect others.
Sorry for the long post... this topic hits close to home.
Lawrence Wilson35 Lawrence Wilson35 Member
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#68 ·
And one more thing: parental love is meaningless unless it's backed up by actions that children actually respect and find non-harmful. It’s obvious that any "love" used to justify violence carries incredibly destructive consequences. What’s perhaps less obvious is that many traditional parenting styles involve behaviors that lack both love and respect, even when they are supposedly done "out of love."
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Casey Wright4 Casey Wright4 Newcomer
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#69 ·
Roger Rodriguez said:My goodness, isn't that just common sense? I completely agree with what was said earlier; none of us can predict how life will unfold or how we will react one day. Some kids only need five minutes of explanation to understand right from wrong and they listen, whereas others seem to go out of their way to cause trouble.
As for long-term consequences, I won't let anyone convince me that a little discipline causes lasting trauma. My mother was always the authority figure; I never feared her, but her firm tone and the occasional ear-tugging turned me into the most well-behaved kid on the block. On the other hand, my father was completely indifferent and detached, and if I have any bad memories from my childhood, it’s because of his lack of involvement.

So, does that mean it's okay to shoplift a little? What kind of "heavy consequences" are we talking about if someone swipes something here and there?
Casey Wright4 Casey Wright4 Newcomer
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#70 ·
crimsonhound80 said:Yeah, and people actually label them as "indigo" children or "hyperactive." 🤮

I have a buddy—my best man—who has one of these "indigo" geniuses, and let me tell you, the kid doesn't have a shred of respect for his parents, even though both of them are professional educators here in the States.

His other son is perfectly fine, raised under the exact same circumstances, without any "discipline."

When I look at that little guy, I see nothing but pure mischief in his eyes; 🤣 he’s manipulative, cunning, and he knows exactly how to exploit his parents' kindness and manners.

If you ask me, he wouldn't be an "indigo" child—he'd just be a brat who needs some discipline.

Look, not every horse is meant for a saddle, and not every person can handle the truth, but sometimes you have to rein a horse in with a firm hand because, well, it's a HORSE—it just doesn't understand any other way of communicating.

But would you actually lay a hand on someone your own size? Someone who’s looking you in the eye, being devious, and playing games... or do you just pick on the kid who’s fifty pounds lighter and can't fight back?
Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#71 ·
silentpilot6 said:On this forum in general, and especially in the psychology section, there is no middle ground; everything is viewed in extremes of black and white.
That’s why we have a group here where you simply can't explain certain nuances to anyone. For instance, if you mention that experiencing physical discipline three times in a lifetime can leave lasting scars on a child 🤣... people immediately jump to calling Child Protective Services to have those parents stripped of their rights and the kids sent to foster care.

Once again, we are seeing such incredibly shallow thinking at work! Instead of me sitting here writing out an entire essay on why this is bad for kids, let me ask you this: how would you feel—since you're a grown adult—if I just came up and beat you with a belt? What would you think about me, or about yourself? Would you cry? Would you actually enjoy it? Would you end up hating me or hating yourself? How would you hide those bruises from your wife, and how on earth would you explain them if she saw them, or if your coworkers spotted them during a company outing? Would you be constantly haunted by the question of "why" and the fear of what might happen if I decided to do it again?? And am I going to do it? Well, for a child, all of this is so much harder, much more terrifying, much more mysterious, and far more tragic, because the ones doing the hitting are their parents (their little Gods!), and they aren't a fully formed adult like you who can wrap their head around it, are they? Or does most everyone just view this through a very superficial, shallow, and banal lens, just like you, where a belt seems totally okay? Just something to change things up once in a while, right?🤷
Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#72 ·
Quote : Legion
Lawrence Wilson35 said:Violence is violence—whether it is psychological or physical, whether it is inflicted on a woman, a man, a child, or an animal.
When discussing physical abuse against children in the US, people talk about "spanking." In Northern Europe, they call it "slapping." In other places, they might use even more euphemistic terms to soften the blow. But regardless of how different cultures choose to label it, the reality remains unchanged: it is all just different names for the same thing—VIOLENCE.
I suspect that when people attempt to justify "discipline," what they are actually doing is trying to justify themselves, the families they were raised in, or the political and religious regimes that shaped them.
And frankly, it isn't surprising. Their logic usually follows this pattern: "My parents hit me with a belt a few times and I turned out fine; I grew up to be a decent person, and I still love my parents."
And truly, we shouldn't necessarily blame our parents for those moments of physical discipline; they were simply doing the best they knew how to do at the time.
However, we know better today. We understand that violence is unacceptable, and therefore, we must reflect and learn from the mistakes of previous generations.
We know that the situation is far more complex than the simplistic argument: "My parents hit me occasionally, so I turned out okay."
We recognize that a child is a human being from birth—a concept that wasn't universally accepted even twenty years ago in many parts of the world. From this, a simple logic follows: if we wouldn't strike our partners, why should we ever strike our children?
To those who argue that an adult possesses a formed personality while a child does not: tell me, does that give us permission to hit them? I will say this to such people: whether adult or child, Black or White, male or female—every single human being possesses DIGNITY. Whether it is a spanking, a slap, pulling an ear, or constant criticism, that dignity is being stripped away. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS DIGNITY.
Today, we understand that every individual is unique and reacts differently. Some may have been hit multiple times and appear unaffected, while others might be haunted by a single instance for their entire lives. Are we really willing to gamble and experiment with our own children?
We also know that children are fully competent beings who cooperate with their parents in two distinct ways: directly or inversely. Both are forms of COOPERATION—the act of sending a message to a parent that something is wrong. In cases of violence, some children cooperate directly by rebelling, becoming aggressive, defiant, stubborn, or hysterical; essentially, they become destructive or self-destructive. Others cooperate inversely by withdrawing, enduring the abuse, becoming passive, and eventually believing they deserve the treatment or that violence is normal as long as it comes from someone stronger. Again, they become destructive or self-destructive.

Regardless of the philosophy used to defend it, the most critical fact is this: every time we use violence against a child, we strip away a piece of their SELF-ESTEEM—their fundamental realization that they have inherent value simply by existing.
Perhaps because we struck them, our children might not grow up to be alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals, or depressed individuals. Perhaps they won't turn to suicide, theft, or prostitution; perhaps they will love and respect us. MAYBE. But one thing is certain:
Every form of violence—regardless of the flag under which it is waved, the name it is given, or the "justification" provided—communicates to a child that they are not worthy. In doing so, we violate a basic human right: the RIGHT TO DIGNITY.
Through every episode of violence, children learn that they are worth less and less.
By using violence, we create individuals who lack self-love and self-respect, and who are irresponsible toward their own lives. This inevitably leads to a lack of respect for others and irresponsibility toward society as a whole.
Through violence, we mold personalities that are controlled by external forces, when our goal should be to raise people who are capable of being themselves.

There is no need to condemn our parents; they were once children too, raised in their own way. Even in modern democratic societies, patriarchal undertones remain. Imagine how difficult it was for our parents living under the regimes they grew up in.
Criticism isn't the point; reflection is.
We must step outside of social norms, outdated rules, and rigid frameworks, because our children deserve nothing less.
We must liberate ourselves from superficial, arrogant, and imposed attitudes and start thinking for OURSELVES. We need to think deeply about what is right, rather than settling for shallow conclusions.
I’ll admit, it’s an uphill battle. Swimming against the current is exhausting when traditionalism still runs so deep in America; you end up risking social stigma just for trying something different, especially when there aren't even any role models to look up to.
What’s more, it feels like we have to reinvent the very concept of parenting from scratch, which is incredibly difficult.
But I truly believe the effort pays off.
In a household where individual identity is respected and every single person is treated with equal dignity, everyone wins—both the children and the parents.
The alternative? When there is violence or coercion, nobody comes out happy.
Parenting isn't a one-way street from parent to child; it flows both ways.
It’s a reciprocal process where everyone involved is learning.
We need to actually observe our children instead of resorting to force, because they will tell us everything we need to know. Children are inherently social creatures—is there anything more "social" than sending a message to someone else that they are hurting us??!
Let’s try to look past those shallow, arrogant, stagnant views that suggest corporal punishment is some kind of divine necessity.
Some people argue that today’s kids are too rebellious or aggressive because they’ve been raised in "democratic" households... and honestly, I agree.
Those are the children of parents who gave them everything they wanted, centered their entire lives around their kids, and lost themselves in the process. Kids actually need their parents. (Rebellion and aggression are often just cries for cooperation). Children usually know what they want, but they rarely know what they actually need. What they need is parental guidance built on mutual respect: I respect myself, and I respect others.
Sorry for the long post... this topic hits close to home.

I couldn't agree more! The classic dilemma for parents is basically this: do you sit down and actually digest all these insightful books and articles, or do you just deliver a quick slap to show who's boss? We all know the second option is way easier, and for someone looking for a shortcut, it's the only way they see fit. ☕
silverpuma542 silverpuma542 Member
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#73 ·
If violence were part of paradise, then it would have found a permanent home there too. 😳
Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#74 ·
Roger Rodriguez said:My goodness, isn't that just common sense? I completely agree with what was said earlier; none of us can predict how life will unfold or how we will react one day. Some kids only need five minutes of explanation to understand right from wrong and they listen, whereas others seem to go out of their way to cause trouble.
As for long-term consequences, I won't let anyone convince me that a little discipline causes lasting trauma. My mother was always the authority figure; I never feared her, but her firm tone and the occasional ear-tugging turned me into the most well-behaved kid on the block. On the other hand, my father was completely indifferent and detached, and if I have any bad memories from my childhood, it’s because of his lack of involvement.




When you're stuck choosing between two imperfect ways of parenting, you really just pick the lesser of two evils, right? That’s exactly what I would have done too! Because let’s face it, neglect and indifference are way worse than physical discipline. It's a known thing that children just want their parents to notice them and engage with them, even if that engagement comes through a stern hand or a quick ear pull. A mischievous or difficult child is often just desperate to feel seen, wouldn't you agree?☕
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#75 ·
No two children are exactly alike, of course... what applies to one kid might not apply to Ivanna, and vice versa... I won't get too bogged down in deep philosophy here.
I wasn't exactly a terror or a rebellious child, but I certainly wasn't a saint either 😉 😁... My parents would talk things through with me, try to set an example, or ground me by taking away my phone or keeping me from seeing friends. Sometimes those lessons stuck, and sometimes they didn't, but there were a few specific times when a belt was used that actually made me stop what I was doing...
I remember being a kid and thinking during one of those marathon 😁 lectures, "Man, just give me a spanking and let's be done with it, rather than sitting here listening to this sermon." 😁
I agree that physical discipline should always be the absolute last resort, but I also don't think it should be completely ruled out for everyone in every single situation. To recap... for three or four things where I got disciplined physically, I stopped immediately—but for other stuff, different methods of guidance were what actually worked. It is what it is. 🤷
Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#76 ·
Casey Wright4 said:But would you actually lay a hand on someone your own size? Someone who’s looking you in the eye, being devious, and playing games... or do you just pick on the kid who’s fifty pounds lighter and can't fight back?

And you think you're writing "something deep" here?! Let me tell you, a real alpha male in America (and everywhere else, really) carries himself with certain standards: his word is law, his wife supports him, and she shows her devotion without question. The kids stay out of the way and step up whenever they're needed. And honestly, if that man needs to discipline his wife or child through force, isn't that just part of the deal when they've earned it? That’s what defines a real man! You can tell exactly who he chooses to assert his dominance over, and let me tell you, it's certainly never an equal! Not even in his wildest dreams! And here's the real kicker: instead of seeing people like that as bottom-of-the-barrel cowards, society actually treats it like some kind of badge of honor or a virtue!?🤷
Roger Rodriguez Roger Rodriguez Active Member
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#77 ·
Matthew Morales17 said:


When you're stuck choosing between two imperfect ways of parenting, you really just pick the lesser of two evils, right? That’s exactly what I would have done too! Because let’s face it, neglect and indifference are way worse than physical discipline. It's a known thing that children just want their parents to notice them and engage with them, even if that engagement comes through a stern hand or a quick ear pull. A mischievous or difficult child is often just desperate to feel seen, wouldn't you agree?☕

I agree, though I wouldn't use my own upbringing as a benchmark since I didn't deal with corporal punishment. Regardless, we have to acknowledge that neglect is its own form of abuse—one we don't talk about nearly enough, yet it leaves much deeper scars.
Casey Wright4—would I ever strike an adult peer just because they were acting out? Of course not. Why would I need to "discipline" them? I could just walk away. But with a child, you can't simply ignore them. And isn't that true for any comparison involving spouses or other adults we consider our equals?
Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#78 ·
Hannah White2 said:Just install aluminum shutters and call it a day, right? 😁
Man, "it's fine, just fix it later" is such a dangerous, lazy way of thinking—it’s a mindset that’s been rotting through society for generations. Trust me, violence doesn't just spawn out of thin air; it’s learned behavior, plain and simple.
The first three years of life are everything—that’s when you basically build a future bully. Honestly, I can't wrap my head around seeing moms who feel the need to constantly smack their kids... I mean, if they aren't already acting like primitive cavemen, shouldn't they be the ones providing some actual gentleness? Anyone using physical force like that is part of the problem. And let's be real, most of the time it isn't even a conscious choice—it’s just them repeating the patterns their own parents drilled into them (even if those parents are halfway across the country or long gone).

Well, back when all this was happening, we didn't even have those aluminum shutters! They weren't around!! That’s really the core of the issue right there.😂 As for female tenderness, let me tell you, I've seen just about everything! You wouldn't believe it! Take my neighbor, for instance—she spends years, every single day, all day long, screaming at her kids, calling them stupid, idiots, or monkeys, telling them there isn't a shred of love in them (that bit about love is a new one I heard just yesterday, apparently!)!!?? She probably can't even raise her voice to her husband, so she takes everything she's thinking and dumps it on them instead! She has three kids, and the oldest is maybe 12. The kids are just kids, they seem—and actually are—totally fine. She is literally tearing them apart! How can anyone be that foolish?! To their own flesh and blood?!👎
Scott Miller7 Scott Miller7 Member
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#79 ·
Quote : Legion
silentpilot6 said:Let’s clear one thing up first: I’m not a parent, so I can’t speak from "that side" of the fence, but what are your thoughts on occasional physical discipline for children?
Of course, we are talking about "occasional" and completely rational discipline... I’m not talking about any kind of beating or hitting someone for no reason, nor is it about being excessive over every little thing. Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with a kid getting a belt when they truly mess up big time.

Here is an example from my own life... I think I was probably hit maybe three times in my entire life, and it was always the "classic method" 😁 a belt to the backside... the worst it ever got was when I nearly burned the house down... and let me tell you, the punishment that followed 😉 really stuck with me, and it never even crossed my mind to play with fire near the house again 😁.

So, what do you all think? I know it’s become incredibly trendy lately to shout from the rooftops against any form of physical discipline, arguing that everything can be explained through conversation and setting examples (good luck with 😵 )—but has that approach actually led us to today's "youth" generations? They are undeniably more malicious 😁, cocky, and disrespectful than previous ones... you name it.
I remember my elementary school teachers used to pull my hair when I caused trouble, whereas today's teachers aren't even allowed to raise their voices at kids... maybe that's why we actually held them in respect, rather than pushing them toward certain behaviors I hear kids are getting into these days...

At the end of the day, most of us have probably been disciplined at least once for doing something stupid, so did that make us worse people?

One more thing—people are going to jump on me for this—but there isn't much difference between raising kids and training dogs :d. I might be exaggerating a bit, but hear me out.
Six years ago, I got a small puppy 😍... and I spent time reading those "modern" dog training books (I had two dogs before him) that claim you should never hit a dog or rub its nose in its accidents and things like that.
Fine... for a few months, I tried raising him using just a raised voice or ignoring him, as the books suggest. Results: zero. After I finally rubbed his nose in his mess four or five times, used some newspapers, and sent him outside, he stopped doing it in the house altogether...

Yeah, clearly you've got a real grip on this since you keep starting threads about it.

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silentpilot6 said:If a kid tried to light a fire on the balcony and ended up setting the shutters ablaze, and you barely managed to stop the whole house from going up in flames, what would you have done?
I would have sat him down and said, "Look at what you've done, you little troublemaker..." Well, because I did that, I ended up getting a beating and learned some hard lessons. That was that. 😁

So those are the only "parenting techniques" you know?

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Here’s another one: the second time I got the belt was when my old man finally snapped after a string of warnings and punishments. 😁 Got caught stealing cigarettes again back when I was in second or third grade... turns out once I got my belt on, I finally quit smoking. 🤣 Somewhere around the ten-year mark.
Nice. He gave you a belt for trying to act just like him. Incredible psychology there. 🙏

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silentpilot6 said:No two children are exactly alike, of course... what applies to one kid might not apply to Ivanna, and vice versa... I won't get too bogged down in deep philosophy here.
I wasn't exactly a terror or a rebellious child, but I certainly wasn't a saint either 😉 😁... My parents would talk things through with me, try to set an example, or ground me by taking away my phone or keeping me from seeing friends. Sometimes those lessons stuck, and sometimes they didn't, but there were a few specific times when a belt was used that actually made me stop what I was doing...
I remember being a kid and thinking during one of those marathon 😁 lectures, "Man, just give me a spanking and let's be done with it, rather than sitting here listening to this sermon." 😁
I agree that physical discipline should always be the absolute last resort, but I also don't think it should be completely ruled out for everyone in every single situation. To recap... for three or four things where I got disciplined physically, I stopped immediately—but for other stuff, different methods of guidance were what actually worked. It is what it is. 🤷

Clearly your parents didn't use the truly effective methods. 🤷

As for the kids themselves—sure, we’re all individuals, but our basic needs are the same. Some things are universal. You wouldn't give one kid candy and deny another just because it only harms one of them. 😁
Amanda Myers3 Amanda Myers3 Member
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I find it absolutely unthinkable that anyone could lay a hand on their own child... I am disgusted by those above who seem to think this is acceptable.

If I ever find myself in a situation where my child is acting out, my version of "punishment" will involve taking things away—like their social life or their allowance... And naturally, we’ll sit down and talk through everything.

That is a far more civilized way to parent than resorting to physical violence or destroying a favorite toy right in front of them. 🙄 Of course, frustrated parents would much rather lash out physically than deal with the actual complexity of parenting properly.

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