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Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active Member
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#101 ·
Morgan Cooper34 said:I personally think *Primal Scream* by Arthur Janov is one of the best books out there regarding child upbringing, even if it isn't strictly focused on parenting. But honestly? I think we have much bigger problems than just punishing children. We have the issue of unwanted children. Kids born not because parents actually wanted them, but just because they felt it was something they "had" to do.

A few posts ago, you asked: "why are you all so afraid to tear down those perfect images of your parents, the ones who molded you into such good, disciplined little kids through strict, old-school discipline?
Get them off their pedestals.
"

Look, I don't put my parents on a pedestal, but I am certain they couldn't have been any better.
Despite a few times getting grounded or taking a hit, my parents truly wanted me and loved me. As a kid, I felt that. I could even feel their regret whenever they had to punish me (which usually happened because I was intentionally being difficult and testing every single boundary they set—but that's a whole other story). On the flip side, you'll meet plenty of people who would never lay a finger on their child, yet they've never built a real connection with them either. Why? Because that child wasn't wanted. They weren't loved.

What you think you know on a conscious level isn't the whole truth. Believe me, those "few" times they hit you? They hurt you. If we dropped you back into that exact moment right now, you’d be sobbing like a little kid all over again.
And don't get it twisted—you shouldn't put kids on a pedestal either. We're their educators and guides, not their buddies. You can give them choices, sure, but within set boundaries—especially for anyone hitting that pre-teen stage.
Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#102 ·
Morgan Cooper34 said:Look, excuse me, but I honestly think every single parent is unqualified when they have their first kid.
Reading sixteen different parenting books won't magically turn me into some expert or even a decent parent once my own child finally arrives one day.

Honestly, why do we need to make parenting or marriage out to be this huge, mystical mystery? It’s actually quite simple if you think about it! For instance, I head out at 3 PM to pick up my wife, and I am genuinely excited to see her! We catch up on what happened during the day, grab some lunch, maybe a coffee, and just chat for a bit. It’s such a blast! If she needs anything, I’m right there for her—and of course, the feeling is mutual. Even with my daughter, it's the same vibe; she might smother me a little while we're out shopping for things like lotions, perfumes, or shoes (between us, that can drive me a little crazy!), but the core principle remains identical to how I treat my wife. It’s wonderful! You just have to respect your child, treat them as your equal, be there whenever they need you, and look at them with kindness and a friendly spirit. Isn't it really just that straightforward?! All this extra drama is totally unnecessary.👍
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#103 ·
silentpilot6 said:Genetics, environment, social circles—are we really saying none of that matters? Is the burden of everything falling solely on the parents? By that logic, if you have good, responsible parents, every child should turn out exactly the same. I’m not so sure about that...

Generally speaking, those without children don't truly understand parenting. They might know the theory "on paper," but we all know how much you can manipulate paper. It's like love. You can read 1,500 love poems or 250 romance novels, but until you actually fall in love, you have no idea what it feels like.
It’s the same with other things; you can look at photos, watch movies, or read all the textbooks you want, and you can daydream all day 😁 but until you actually experience sex, you don't truly know what it is. So why would raising children be any different?
It is entirely possible—in fact, it's the reality 😁—that someone with one or more children who hasn't read a single book on the subject knows far more about parenting than someone without kids who has studied an entire library dedicated to "child rearing." 😁... I will always trust hands-on experience over pure theory. No book can account for every unique situation, every different child, or every unexpected event.
I'm not saying theories are useless or shouldn't be studied, but paper can claim anything, whereas real life is almost always different from the textbook version 😬 of life... Therefore, claiming to know how to raise children when you don't have any (yes, I do this too 😁) is, to put it mildly, unprofessional. It's especially problematic when people use absolutes like, "I'll never..." Well, we'll see. 😁

If you bother to watch a few pornić, you'll realize women actually have a clitoris—which, hey, might guarantee you some decent sex, but...
knowledge is always useful, though obviously, it doesn't work for YOU..
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#104 ·
Hannah White2 said:Honestly, nothing beats having a buddy over, you yell out "Hey babe, grab us some bourbon!"—of course, bourbon—and she's there in a heartbeat...
So how on earth is a kid supposed to ignore you?😁
Real talk: parenting is all about how the parents communicate with each other.

If I’m running my mouth being negative about gay people😛 then tomorrow, during puberty, my kid sees someone of that orientation on TV at an anti-gay rally...

You raise them by setting an example—call it whatever you want—not by using belts or some ridiculous corporal punishment nonsense.
My music teacher, Mazur, used to yank me by the hair right behind the ear if I didn't hit the right note on the flute, which is why today I won't sing and wouldn't touch an instrument if you paid me.
One single tug and just like that, music was dead to me—and I could've been the next Matija Dedić...

And maybe even if Mozart himself had taught you, you wouldn't have made it...😁 my math teacher used to pull my hair behind my ear too... and yeah, I don't love math, but I didn't love it before that either😁 though I was always quiet during class...
Lawrence Wilson35 Lawrence Wilson35 Member
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#105 ·
silentpilot6 said:I was hit with a belt maybe three or four times growing up, usually when I was doing something truly terrible. 😁 We eventually ended up with a dictatorship, heavy religious influence, Bush 😂 and a nation that’s just foolish and immature... honestly, it’s been everything.
How is a parent supposed to establish necessary authority if they can't find a way to compel a child toward certain behaviors? If no other methods work at all, what then? Do you just let them do whatever they want, or drag them to a therapist?
Look, time and time again... we don't live in an ideal world where every kid is good and where talking things out or setting boundaries always works. Some parents might not even know how to communicate or explain things... what are we supposed to do with them? Should they just give in and let a child do whatever pops into their head because modern child psychology is offended by any kind of physical discipline?

I'm not implying—and I know you'll jump on me for this, so I'll say it first—that every parent who occasionally uses physical discipline lacks other options. But what if there aren't any other ways? What if you have a little brat who is just incredibly defiant and arrogant? What then? Are you supposed to buy 23 different books and hunt through them for answers you might never actually find?

To go back to my dog, I tried training him using those "modern methods," and it failed miserably. After I disciplined him a few times with a rolled-up newspaper and made sure he understood the consequences, he stopped peeing in the house. Now... maybe I'm wrong, maybe I did something incorrectly, or maybe some dogs are just built in a way where nothing else "clicks." With all due respect, why can't people accept that there are certain children who simply won't understand anything else... at least not always, and not in every situation?

Is setting boundaries and maintaining authority now considered an attack on someone else's dignity?😕
So, we’re actually claiming that physical violence is the key to establishing authority now?😢
I’m going to dismantle your sense of self until the only thing left is the respect I demand from you.😲
A classic power play.
We’re teaching our kids to respect rules and penalties rather than respecting people. Is that really the foundation we want to build?
We are raising our children to be nothing more than puppets, conditioned to let the world dictate their every move. We teach them to suppress their true selves and ignore their own instincts. Is it any wonder they grow up without a shred of self-respect or self-love?
When will we finally grasp that the prosperity of an entire nation depends entirely on the well-being of every single individual?
It’s quite simple, really: if we don't have self-love and self-respect, how can we ever expect to offer any to others? The reverse just doesn't work.

There is an alternative. Let’s stop kidding ourselves and quit making excuses just to justify our own thirst for power.
Do we actually expect our children to respect sanctions when they don't even respect us?
Playing these kinds of power games in the recent past led to nothing but disastrous consequences. Why do we keep repeating the same mistakes?
We have a lot to learn from them.
Nancy Brown11 Nancy Brown11 Member
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#106 ·
The best way to answer if hitting kids actually creates genius is to ask if Bach this kind of music was composed while he was under the influence of corporal punishment, or if anyone would ever write such heavenly notes because of being beaten. My take? "Divine" masterpieces, like his fugues and toccatas, don't come from violence. No matter how much you lose your temper with your kid, you aren't going to turn them into someone capable of composing stuff like that through fear.
granitegull99 granitegull99 Newcomer
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#107 ·
silentpilot6 said:Genetics, environment, social circles—are we really saying none of that matters? Is the burden of everything falling solely on the parents? By that logic, if you have good, responsible parents, every child should turn out exactly the same. I’m not so sure about that...

Generally speaking, those without children don't truly understand parenting. They might know the theory "on paper," but we all know how much you can manipulate paper. It's like love. You can read 1,500 love poems or 250 romance novels, but until you actually fall in love, you have no idea what it feels like.
It’s the same with other things; you can look at photos, watch movies, or read all the textbooks you want, and you can daydream all day 😁 but until you actually experience sex, you don't truly know what it is. So why would raising children be any different?
It is entirely possible—in fact, it's the reality 😁—that someone with one or more children who hasn't read a single book on the subject knows far more about parenting than someone without kids who has studied an entire library dedicated to "child rearing." 😁... I will always trust hands-on experience over pure theory. No book can account for every unique situation, every different child, or every unexpected event.
I'm not saying theories are useless or shouldn't be studied, but paper can claim anything, whereas real life is almost always different from the textbook version 😬 of life... Therefore, claiming to know how to raise children when you don't have any (yes, I do this too 😁) is, to put it mildly, unprofessional. It's especially problematic when people use absolutes like, "I'll never..." Well, we'll see. 😁

And yeah, every kid is different no matter how you look at it, but a parent's attitude definitely plays a role. For example, my brother was raised just like me, but over the years he just kept doubling down on his stubbornness, so by the time puberty hit, nothing worked—not even getting grounded or sitting down for a talk... I was always the "easy" one. 🤣
There are plenty of cases where kids from the exact same parents end up with totally opposite personalities.
And that whole "I'm never having kids" thing... you should never say that. You never know what life has in store for you...
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#108 ·
Hannah White2 said:If you bother to watch a few pornić, you'll realize women actually have a clitoris—which, hey, might guarantee you some decent sex, but...
knowledge is always useful, though obviously, it doesn't work for YOU..

Right 😉... I bow down to the paper theorist 🙏
Practice matters, truly... many beautiful theories fall apart the moment they face a real-world situation. Did nobody ever tell you that? Haven't you noticed? Then it's obvious you're severely lacking in actual experience 😛

Porn really teaches people about sex, clearly :lol.... have you actually ever had sex? 😛
Nicholas Edwards10 Nicholas Edwards10 Member
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#109 ·
silentpilot6 said:Honestly, you’d basically be burning his favorite teddy bear right in front of him... I swear, that's easily five hundred times more cruel than just a little discipline with a belt. 😁
Professional counseling... it seems to be the big trend lately. I suppose all those high-priced psychologists and psychiatrists have to make a living somehow 😉... but professional help versus a few swats on the backside? I'm picking the latter. 😁


Exactly. Sometimes, psychological abuse used as punishment leaves much deeper scars on a kid's personality than a little spanking ever could
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Physical hitting is a whole different story—that's a sign of a broken mindset. But every now and then, when a kid is just being straight-up defiant because they know you "can't" touch them, I don't think a quick swat is the worst thing in the world
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Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#110 ·
silentpilot6 said:Genetics, environment, social circles—are we really saying none of that matters? Is the burden of everything falling solely on the parents? By that logic, if you have good, responsible parents, every child should turn out exactly the same. I’m not so sure about that...

Generally speaking, those without children don't truly understand parenting. They might know the theory "on paper," but we all know how much you can manipulate paper. It's like love. You can read 1,500 love poems or 250 romance novels, but until you actually fall in love, you have no idea what it feels like.
It’s the same with other things; you can look at photos, watch movies, or read all the textbooks you want, and you can daydream all day 😁 but until you actually experience sex, you don't truly know what it is. So why would raising children be any different?
It is entirely possible—in fact, it's the reality 😁—that someone with one or more children who hasn't read a single book on the subject knows far more about parenting than someone without kids who has studied an entire library dedicated to "child rearing." 😁... I will always trust hands-on experience over pure theory. No book can account for every unique situation, every different child, or every unexpected event.
I'm not saying theories are useless or shouldn't be studied, but paper can claim anything, whereas real life is almost always different from the textbook version 😬 of life... Therefore, claiming to know how to raise children when you don't have any (yes, I do this too 😁) is, to put it mildly, unprofessional. It's especially problematic when people use absolutes like, "I'll never..." Well, we'll see. 😁

Someone else here mentioned that they definitely won't hit their child. They don't even have a kid yet, but they already know they won't. I know this guy in my neighborhood who has 15 kids—it's total chaos, constant noise, fighting, and mayhem everywhere you look. The police show up almost every day, and it's been like that for years. Those kids have nothing but problems. So, do I believe the parenting style of this forum user, who claims she won't hit her kids (whenever she eventually has them), or do I believe the reality of this guy who actually manages 15 kids in practice and, according to you, knows everything there is to know about upbringing because he's a "practitioner"? You? Do you actually believe what you wrote (the part I bolded)? 👍
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#111 ·
silentpilot6:
Lawrence Wilson35 As follows:
Is setting boundaries and maintaining authority somehow viewed as an affront to someone else's dignity?😕
So, we're supposed to believe that authority is built through physical discipline?😢
I will strip away your self-awareness just to earn your respect.😲
It's just a classic power play.
We are teaching our children to respect rules and penalties rather than respecting people.
We often teach our children to be people who are controlled by external forces, allowing others to dictate the course of their lives. We instruct them to disregard their true selves, which ultimately prevents them from practicing self-respect and self-love.
When will we finally realize that the prosperity of our entire nation depends on the well-being of every single individual?
It only works if we learn to love and respect ourselves first; otherwise, we can't truly extend that same respect to others. The reverse simply doesn't work.

There is an alternative. Let’s stop kidding ourselves and quit making excuses just to satisfy our own hunger for power.
Do we actually want our children to respect sanctions, or should they be learning to respect us first?
Playing these kinds of power games in the recent past led to devastating consequences.
We have much to learn from them.
It’s unbelievable... I feel like those belts around my waist have completely stripped away my sense of self and dragged my dignity through the dirt. Of course they have, but then again, maybe I don't even realize it myself.
I can't bring myself to respect or like them, much like anyone else who grew up dealing with physical discipline from their parents.
I feel like I’ve missed so much in this thread. 😵
Matthew Morales17 Matthew Morales17 Member
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#112 ·
granitegull99 said:I need to have a real talk with my kid first. Growing up, I just got hit—there was zero actual communication in my house, and honestly, nothing has changed even now...
And then you've got everyone else looking at them like they're some kind of parenting saints, all because I had straight A's and spent my time babysitting the neighborhood kids. 😁
I've got nothing but contempt for parents like that! 😉

The kids today definitely act more entitled, but hey, "monkey see, monkey do." At the end of the day, how a parent carries themselves and whether they actually talk to their kid plays a massive role in how that kid turns out mentally. It’s always easier to just blame the kid for everything they do, though...

It's as simple as that! You hit the nail right on the head.👍
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#113 ·
Matthew Morales17 said:Someone else here mentioned that they definitely won't hit their child. They don't even have a kid yet, but they already know they won't. I know this guy in my neighborhood who has 15 kids—it's total chaos, constant noise, fighting, and mayhem everywhere you look. The police show up almost every day, and it's been like that for years. Those kids have nothing but problems. So, do I believe the parenting style of this forum user, who claims she won't hit her kids (whenever she eventually has them), or do I believe the reality of this guy who actually manages 15 kids in practice and, according to you, knows everything there is to know about upbringing because he's a "practitioner"? You? Do you actually believe what you wrote (the part I bolded)? 👍

Let's find the most extreme and radical example possible, then use that as the foundation for building our theory. Sounds like a plan. 👍
In my opinion, anyone who chooses to have fifteen children isn't quite thinking straight. 😵

It’s actually quite impressive when you think about it—finding someone like Marica Marić who never even cracked open a parenting book, yet somehow raised two children to be responsible, happy, and fulfilled adults. What exactly are we supposed to make of that?
Based on what you've said, she seems to have less insight into parenting than you do, given that you've read through the entire section—but then again, you don't have kids of your own. 😕
Lawrence Wilson35 Lawrence Wilson35 Member
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joined Jul 2009
#114 ·
silentpilot6 said:Genetics, environment, social circles—are we really saying none of that matters? Is the burden of everything falling solely on the parents? By that logic, if you have good, responsible parents, every child should turn out exactly the same. I’m not so sure about that...

Generally speaking, those without children don't truly understand parenting. They might know the theory "on paper," but we all know how much you can manipulate paper. It's like love. You can read 1,500 love poems or 250 romance novels, but until you actually fall in love, you have no idea what it feels like.
It’s the same with other things; you can look at photos, watch movies, or read all the textbooks you want, and you can daydream all day 😁 but until you actually experience sex, you don't truly know what it is. So why would raising children be any different?
It is entirely possible—in fact, it's the reality 😁—that someone with one or more children who hasn't read a single book on the subject knows far more about parenting than someone without kids who has studied an entire library dedicated to "child rearing." 😁... I will always trust hands-on experience over pure theory. No book can account for every unique situation, every different child, or every unexpected event.
I'm not saying theories are useless or shouldn't be studied, but paper can claim anything, whereas real life is almost always different from the textbook version 😬 of life... Therefore, claiming to know how to raise children when you don't have any (yes, I do this too 😁) is, to put it mildly, unprofessional. It's especially problematic when people use absolutes like, "I'll never..." Well, we'll see. 😁

Regarding the debate between theory and practice...
Personally, I think there is a mountain of parenting books out there that would serve better as kindling for a campfire at a weekend cabin. 🤣
To my own modest opinion, only Jasper Juul is relevant.
He is an eminent psychotherapist and family therapist with over thirty years of experience. He has traveled extensively through many countries, working with diverse families all over the world (including American families during turbulent times), authored several books on the family unit, and currently serves as the director of the renowned international family organization FamLab.
And he is a parent himself.
But sure, around here, we have those "perfect" parents—the infallible ones who believe they know best about everything simply because they happen to be parents. 🙄😛
This cynicism isn't a critique of parenting itself. Personally, I believe parenthood is one of the most beautiful things in the world. This is a critique of human arrogance, superficiality, narrow-mindedness, and inertia.
Lawrence Wilson35 Lawrence Wilson35 Member
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joined Jul 2009
#115 ·
silentpilot6 said:silentpilot6:
Lawrence Wilson35 As follows:
Is setting boundaries and maintaining authority somehow viewed as an affront to someone else's dignity?😕
So, we're supposed to believe that authority is built through physical discipline?😢
I will strip away your self-awareness just to earn your respect.😲
It's just a classic power play.
We are teaching our children to respect rules and penalties rather than respecting people.
We often teach our children to be people who are controlled by external forces, allowing others to dictate the course of their lives. We instruct them to disregard their true selves, which ultimately prevents them from practicing self-respect and self-love.
When will we finally realize that the prosperity of our entire nation depends on the well-being of every single individual?
It only works if we learn to love and respect ourselves first; otherwise, we can't truly extend that same respect to others. The reverse simply doesn't work.

There is an alternative. Let’s stop kidding ourselves and quit making excuses just to satisfy our own hunger for power.
Do we actually want our children to respect sanctions, or should they be learning to respect us first?
Playing these kinds of power games in the recent past led to devastating consequences.
We have much to learn from them.
It’s unbelievable... I feel like those belts around my waist have completely stripped away my sense of self and dragged my dignity through the dirt. Of course they have, but then again, maybe I don't even realize it myself.
I can't bring myself to respect or like them, much like anyone else who grew up dealing with physical discipline from their parents.
I feel like I’ve missed so much in this thread. 😵

I can't say for sure, because I don't know you or your family.

You haven't read much in this thread—at least not with an openness to learning or any sincere attempt at thinking for yourself.
And I hope you realize this isn't me "reprimanding" you; I simply believe it would be beneficial for anyone, including yourself, to actually use your own head.
You (or anyone else, for that matter) are perfectly entitled to think I'm wrong.🙂
I am stating what I personally believe to be true.
That doesn't mean it has to be true for everyone else.😉
Lawrence Wilson35 Lawrence Wilson35 Member
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joined Jul 2009
#116 ·
silentpilot6 said:Let's find the most extreme and radical example possible, then use that as the foundation for building our theory. Sounds like a plan. 👍
In my opinion, anyone who chooses to have fifteen children isn't quite thinking straight. 😵

It’s actually quite impressive when you think about it—finding someone like Marica Marić who never even cracked open a parenting book, yet somehow raised two children to be responsible, happy, and fulfilled adults. What exactly are we supposed to make of that?
Based on what you've said, she seems to have less insight into parenting than you do, given that you've read through the entire section—but then again, you don't have kids of your own. 😕

Does having fifteen children automatically imply someone is unstable?
Fine, by your standards maybe, but not mine.

I think you're overgeneralizing the gap between theory and practice. I've already stated my position: there are parents who know everything, some who know a little, and some who know nothing. Similarly, there are non-parents who know a lot, a little, or absolutely nothing.
And then there are all the other endless variations of people and outliers.
To me, 😵 this kind of exclusivity is 🤣
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#117 ·
silentpilot6 said:Right 😉... I bow down to the paper theorist 🙏
Practice matters, truly... many beautiful theories fall apart the moment they face a real-world situation. Did nobody ever tell you that? Haven't you noticed? Then it's obvious you're severely lacking in actual experience 😛

Porn really teaches people about sex, clearly :lol.... have you actually ever had sex? 😛

Good grief, you'd basically dismantle the entire education system—which, by the way, relies on passing down knowledge and theory—just to prove a point... what are we doing, looking for a secret dictator?
The belt still serves a purpose, I guess 😁 😁
Don't get mad at me for joking around, but I really hope I managed to drive home the point I was making last time.
Ryan Morris15 Ryan Morris15 Active Member
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joined Jul 2009
#118 ·
I’ve read through everything here, and while I find myself agreeing with some points, I have to disagree with others. Personally, I don't believe in making mountains out of molehills—meaning, one shouldn't equate a minor correction with actual abuse. If someone decides to quit music just because they had their ear pulled once, they probably lacked the grit to begin with; they were likely just looking for an excuse to give up. Who knows, maybe someone was pulling Matija Dedić's ear back then too.

There is one thing I find myself unable to accept: the idea that authority is built through strictness or physical discipline. In my view, true authority is actually rooted in consistency.
For instance, a friend of mine might send her son to his room as a punishment for making a mess. Within two or three minutes, he asks if he can come out; she feels guilty, gives in, and lets him out. The kid just laughs behind her back, walks out, and within half an hour, they're right back to the same old problems.
The worst thing you can do is fail to follow through on what you say. She sent him to bed, then relented, and now he knows that next time, she'll probably cave again.
Another example—a two-year-old is being restless, so the mother quickly shoves a smartphone into his hands just to quiet him down. Later, the child grabs every phone he sees, and the mother starts yelling, "Don't touch that, it's not a toy." She’s essentially just confused the child by allowing him to play with it one moment and forbidding it the next.
Carl Anderson76 Carl Anderson76 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#119 ·
On the flip side, kids back in the day were always getting a bit of corporal punishment, so I haven't really noticed "older generations" turning out to be psychopaths, bullies, people who can't stand their parents, or just totally traumatized... at least nothing worse than "kids today." From what I hear from folks working in schools (I know a few teachers) and from parents dealing with the current generation, things seem way more intense now. Why is that? , was it physical discipline or the complete lack thereof? I don't know, but it would be interesting to run some kind of study to see which kids are actually "worse"... the ones who occasionally got a belt, or the ones being raised with completely different methods regardless of how much trouble they get into.

Why say "nothing worse"? Because we aren't getting hit nearly as much anymore. A friend of mine, she's 17, took a hit at school and showed up the next day with bruised hips! Not to mention her back, her arms... her face stayed fine, so if she hadn't said anything, nobody would have even known. That’s what parents do nowadays. They do the exact same thing, they just hide it so they don't get in trouble. Back when we were thirty or twenty of us in a class, we all got disciplined. 🙄
And the reason kids today seem worse is because they're being raised by parents who are mentally unstable because their own parents were abused to such an extent . Just imagine what it's like for the kids in this current generation.
Scott Miller7 Scott Miller7 Member
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joined Jun 2009
#120 ·
silentpilot6 said:It’s honestly amusing when people attack you just for starting a discussion. It feels like they're implying that because you're bringing up a topic 25 years later, it must have left some deep, lasting scar on you. 🤣
If I start a thread to open the topic of pedophilia... does that make me one? If I start a thread about the German military in WW2, am I suddenly a Nazi? Or if I discuss old political figures from the past, am I labeled a radical? 🤣... and so on, it goes. It's absurd.

Some people just refuse to grasp that we aren't all cut from the same cloth. You can't solve every single issue through dialogue, setting examples, or bans. To be honest, I find it interesting when this thread is filled with people who don't even have children—and look, I don't have any either, but still 😁—or those who say they never want kids yet feel entitled to weigh in here. I truly wonder what all these "I don't have kids, but I'd never lay a hand on my own child" types will do when their little ones actually act out. After twenty-five explanations and clarifications, will they try a twenty-sixth explanation, or will they finally reach for a belt?

On the other hand, kids used to get disciplined physically all the time, and I certainly didn't notice the "older generations" turning into psychopaths, abusers, or broken individuals... at least not any more than today's youth.
From what I hear from educators—I know a few teachers—and parents of the current generation, things seem much worse now. Why is that? 🤷Whether physical discipline or the lack thereof played a role, I think it would be worth conducting some actual research to see which group is "worse"... the kids who occasionally face a belt, or those who are raised entirely by other methods regardless of how they behave.

Glad you're having fun with it. I'm not calling you out, though. Since you started this thread, you might as well share what actually motivated you to bring it up.😁

.. I’d love to see what all those "I don't have kids, but I would never hit my own child under any circumstances" types will do when their little golden child eventually pulls the same crap after 25 rounds of explanations and lectures... Will they try a 26th explanation, or finally reach for the belt?

Long before I had kids, I insisted I'd never hit them. Everyone laughed and said I'd see about that once I actually had some. Now they've seen it, and they're basically saying, "Well, you got lucky."😁
Besides, before I became a parent, I spent time caring for two kids who most people would label as absolute nightmares. I never laid a hand on them, and you could see a positive shift in their behavior within a week. People underestimate how much consistency, honesty, positive reinforcement, and actual attention mean to a kid.

Then there's this idea that kids today are impossible—worse and more spoiled than previous generations. Even if we assume that's true, kids in most American families still get beaten, and clearly, that isn't helping anything.

The issue is that children's rights are usually misinterpreted, and they rarely come with a discussion about responsibilities. You can't have rights without obligations. Parents constantly hear that they shouldn't hit their kids, but they aren't given any real alternatives, so many end up clueless when it comes to discipline. While I think parenting should be driven by instinct and common sense, it's obvious very few people actually know how to handle it. That's why mandatory parenting classes seem like a necessity.😁

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