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Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#201 ·
>>>>This might be a bit extreme, but I am genuinely curious about one thing: why on earth do people nowadays operate under this totally senseless assumption that every single problem is either solvable, or—if it isn’t—that we just shouldn't bother being upset about it? Honestly, that's just life. You hit a wall, you suffer through it, and you deal with it. And no, sometimes there isn't a fix. Sometimes you just have to live with it.

Exactly my point..

And doesn't this constant denial of actual hardship, when it inevitably shows up, just turn us all into neurotic, unhealthy messes????🙄

If you want to dive deeper into this weirdly frantic modern obsession with dodging any kind of dissatisfaction and trying to micromanage every tiny detail of existence, you should really pick up "The Age of Entitlement" by Beethoven... you'll definitely see yourself in there, and it's actually quite an entertaining read...🤣
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#202 ·
lonegardener said:Hmmmmmmm... I suppose a man feels pretty dissatisfied when he's being crucified or impaled. Believe it or not, people actually used to do that.

So, what advice do you give someone currently on a spit? Don't be upset—you can't exactly hop off the stake yourself, so there's really no point in losing sleep over it. It won't change the outcome. 😍

It's a bit of a drastic example 😬, but I am genuinely curious why modern people start from such a nonsensical premise: the idea that every problem is either solvable, or if it isn't, you shouldn't let it bother you? For crying out loud, that's just life. You face hardship and you endure it. And no, you aren't going to "fix" it. Not ever.

By the way, who brought up Vasilisa the Beautiful? Enchantress? Honey, you seem to have forgotten the gist of that story; it was probably ages ago. She didn't subject her Johnny to any trials; quite the opposite. The king put him through the wringer, he’d complain, and then Vasilisa would swoop in to save him (quite the girl... 😵 ). In that whole tale, John wasn't some macho hero proving his worth; he was more like a pushover who happened to stumble into success. Besides, he isn't even the main attraction—Vasilisa steals the entire show. 👍 (even though she doesn't show up until the second half). What did she even see in that weakling? This story was almost certainly cooked up by some man xexexexexe

Light EDIT: I actually think we might be talking about a different Vasilisa. You mention the "Beautiful," whereas I'm certain I'm thinking of the "Wise" one. The story starts with the friendship between a sparrow and a mouse—rings any bells? There's the great war between birds and beasts, a wounded eagle, a hunter who misses three times before finally taking him, raising him, and healing him, only for the bird to drop him from the sky three times to settle the score? Then the sisters from the bronze, silver, and gold cities, and those magic boxes that release castles we can't figure out how to put back inside? ... That was my favorite from the "fairytale world" collection. I must have read it at least a hundred times. But as I said, "Vasilisa" might not be that rare a name in these old stories...

There is an entire collection of fairy tales centered on Beautiful Valley. 🙂 I own a massive eight-volume set of classic American folk tales, and dozens of those stories are dedicated to this heroine.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#203 ·
lonegardener said:Hmmmmmmm... I suppose a man feels pretty dissatisfied when he's being crucified or impaled. Believe it or not, people actually used to do that.

So, what advice do you give someone currently on a spit? Don't be upset—you can't exactly hop off the stake yourself, so there's really no point in losing sleep over it. It won't change the outcome. 😍

It's a bit of a drastic example 😬, but I am genuinely curious why modern people start from such a nonsensical premise: the idea that every problem is either solvable, or if it isn't, you shouldn't let it bother you? For crying out loud, that's just life. You face hardship and you endure it. And no, you aren't going to "fix" it. Not ever.

By the way, who brought up Vasilisa the Beautiful? Enchantress? Honey, you seem to have forgotten the gist of that story; it was probably ages ago. She didn't subject her Johnny to any trials; quite the opposite. The king put him through the wringer, he’d complain, and then Vasilisa would swoop in to save him (quite the girl... 😵 ). In that whole tale, John wasn't some macho hero proving his worth; he was more like a pushover who happened to stumble into success. Besides, he isn't even the main attraction—Vasilisa steals the entire show. 👍 (even though she doesn't show up until the second half). What did she even see in that weakling? This story was almost certainly cooked up by some man xexexexexe

Light EDIT: I actually think we might be talking about a different Vasilisa. You mention the "Beautiful," whereas I'm certain I'm thinking of the "Wise" one. The story starts with the friendship between a sparrow and a mouse—rings any bells? There's the great war between birds and beasts, a wounded eagle, a hunter who misses three times before finally taking him, raising him, and healing him, only for the bird to drop him from the sky three times to settle the score? Then the sisters from the bronze, silver, and gold cities, and those magic boxes that release castles we can't figure out how to put back inside? ... That was my favorite from the "fairytale world" collection. I must have read it at least a hundred times. But as I said, "Vasilisa" might not be that rare a name in these old stories...

There you go again.
That guy mentioned above isn't "unhappy," he's probably just in absolute agony. There's a difference. And honestly, that’s a terrible example; give me something else.

lonegardener said:Hmmmmmmm... I suppose a man feels pretty dissatisfied when he's being crucified or impaled. Believe it or not, people actually used to do that.

So, what advice do you give someone currently on a spit? Don't be upset—you can't exactly hop off the stake yourself, so there's really no point in losing sleep over it. It won't change the outcome. 😍

It's a bit of a drastic example 😬, but I am genuinely curious why modern people start from such a nonsensical premise: the idea that every problem is either solvable, or if it isn't, you shouldn't let it bother you? For crying out loud, that's just life. You face hardship and you endure it. And no, you aren't going to "fix" it. Not ever.

By the way, who brought up Vasilisa the Beautiful? Enchantress? Honey, you seem to have forgotten the gist of that story; it was probably ages ago. She didn't subject her Johnny to any trials; quite the opposite. The king put him through the wringer, he’d complain, and then Vasilisa would swoop in to save him (quite the girl... 😵 ). In that whole tale, John wasn't some macho hero proving his worth; he was more like a pushover who happened to stumble into success. Besides, he isn't even the main attraction—Vasilisa steals the entire show. 👍 (even though she doesn't show up until the second half). What did she even see in that weakling? This story was almost certainly cooked up by some man xexexexexe

Light EDIT: I actually think we might be talking about a different Vasilisa. You mention the "Beautiful," whereas I'm certain I'm thinking of the "Wise" one. The story starts with the friendship between a sparrow and a mouse—rings any bells? There's the great war between birds and beasts, a wounded eagle, a hunter who misses three times before finally taking him, raising him, and healing him, only for the bird to drop him from the sky three times to settle the score? Then the sisters from the bronze, silver, and gold cities, and those magic boxes that release castles we can't figure out how to put back inside? ... That was my favorite from the "fairytale world" collection. I must have read it at least a hundred times. But as I said, "Vasilisa" might not be that rare a name in these old stories...

I'm not saying every problem is solvable; it's just that by pure chance, some aren't.

Unresolved issues cause dissatisfaction—or maybe "a lack of satisfaction" sounds better. Why? Probably because they exist and they wreck your life today, tomorrow, and yesterday... even though they don't *have* to exist. You know what I mean? They don't have to exist because you are perfectly capable of taking action against them.
Believe it or not, I know there are problems that are unsolvable—completely impossible to fix, where there is absolutely nothing you can do to make them go away. In those cases, at least a little dissatisfaction is necessary.
But tell this smart-ass 😉 ... what's the point of being dissatisfied if you can't change anything? You just accept the situation for what it is. I'm not going to spend my entire life feeling miserable just because something is beyond my control....
The problem you live with is one that won't leave you, and you won't leave it. What's the use in fighting it? Just shake hands with it and learn to coexist. As for a reason for true dissatisfaction, don't worry, it'll find its way to you.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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joined Oct 2007
#204 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:>>>>Maybe this is a bit extreme, but I am genuinely curious about one thing. Why on earth does everyone nowadays seem to operate under this totally mindless assumption that every single problem is either fixable, or—if it isn't—that we just shouldn't bother being upset about it? Honestly, that's just life. You deal with hardship, and you just have to bear it. And no, you won't always solve it. Ever.

Exactly my point..

And doesn't this whole habit of denying real struggle actually turn us into neurotic, unhealthy messes when things go wrong????🙄

If you want more info on this weird modern obsession where people try to deny any kind of dissatisfaction and strive to control absolutely EVERYTHING, you should check out "The Myth of Sisyphus" by Beethoven... you'll definitely see yourself in it, and it's a pretty good read...🤣

It’s not about denying actual pain. What else is there? "Fake" pain?

It's about just trying to live a normal life. Who was even bringing up physical disabilities???
So what if someone has one.

Are we supposed to just live in constant misery..........????

Look, you aren't going to deny that if you lost an arm, it happened. You aren't going to claim it's easier this way, but you shouldn't be miserable either—meaning frustrated or neurotic. It's actually the exact opposite.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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joined Oct 2007
#205 ·
mistybison said:There is an entire collection of fairy tales centered on Beautiful Valley. 🙂 I own a massive eight-volume set of classic American folk tales, and dozens of those stories are dedicated to this heroine.

Honestly, I think I'll just buy myself a complete set of fairy tales. As for that little girl I was thinking about this morning... well, she can get something else instead.
Maybe some reading 😉
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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#206 ·
Jerry Martinez5 said:I completely agree with this.

Dissatisfaction is fine if, say, you're frustrated because your paycheck at Starbucks is too small, so you work harder or find a better job. Only in those specific cases.

But being unhappy about things we have zero control over? Well, we always have control over ourselves; we can change how we react to it. I've been unhappy with my family situation. I'm learning that I'm an adult now and there's no reason to let it get to me. Adults choose to enter relationships that suit them. Mine don't. So, I'm distancing myself.

I’m feeling dissatisfied because it feels like I don't have a soul—like humans in general are just biochemical machines. Just a collection of decaying molecules, as some wacky comic book character might put it.

Is there a psychologist out there who actually knows how to convince someone they possess a soul? And more importantly, what kind of methods do they use? I might be interested in hearing from one.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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joined Oct 2007
#207 ·
Just find someone who actually gets you and someone you can actually talk to.
There’s honestly no better therapist than that... 🙂
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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joined Apr 2010
#208 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:There you go again.
That guy mentioned above isn't "unhappy," he's probably just in absolute agony. There's a difference. And honestly, that’s a terrible example; give me something else.

I'm not saying every problem is solvable; it's just that by pure chance, some aren't.

Unresolved issues cause dissatisfaction—or maybe "a lack of satisfaction" sounds better. Why? Probably because they exist and they wreck your life today, tomorrow, and yesterday... even though they don't *have* to exist. You know what I mean? They don't have to exist because you are perfectly capable of taking action against them.
Believe it or not, I know there are problems that are unsolvable—completely impossible to fix, where there is absolutely nothing you can do to make them go away. In those cases, at least a little dissatisfaction is necessary.
But tell this smart-ass 😉 ... what's the point of being dissatisfied if you can't change anything? You just accept the situation for what it is. I'm not going to spend my entire life feeling miserable just because something is beyond my control....
The problem you live with is one that won't leave you, and you won't leave it. What's the use in fighting it? Just shake hands with it and learn to coexist. As for a reason for true dissatisfaction, don't worry, it'll find its way to you.

It’s a massive difference, obviously—like the difference between seeing a speck of dust with the naked eye versus looking at it through a high-powered microscope.

It comes down to principle. If the cause of dissatisfaction is unavoidable, does that mean we can just dismiss the feeling as invalid? It might be futile (since it leads nowhere), but that doesn't make it any less real.

Sandra Parker3 said:There you go again.
That guy mentioned above isn't "unhappy," he's probably just in absolute agony. There's a difference. And honestly, that’s a terrible example; give me something else.

I'm not saying every problem is solvable; it's just that by pure chance, some aren't.

Unresolved issues cause dissatisfaction—or maybe "a lack of satisfaction" sounds better. Why? Probably because they exist and they wreck your life today, tomorrow, and yesterday... even though they don't *have* to exist. You know what I mean? They don't have to exist because you are perfectly capable of taking action against them.
Believe it or not, I know there are problems that are unsolvable—completely impossible to fix, where there is absolutely nothing you can do to make them go away. In those cases, at least a little dissatisfaction is necessary.
But tell this smart-ass 😉 ... what's the point of being dissatisfied if you can't change anything? You just accept the situation for what it is. I'm not going to spend my entire life feeling miserable just because something is beyond my control....
The problem you live with is one that won't leave you, and you won't leave it. What's the use in fighting it? Just shake hands with it and learn to coexist. As for a reason for true dissatisfaction, don't worry, it'll find its way to you.

Are you trying to say "unresolved, but SOLVABLE problems"? 😁

But how do you actually distinguish a solvable problem from an unsolvable one?

Sandra Parker3 said:There you go again.
That guy mentioned above isn't "unhappy," he's probably just in absolute agony. There's a difference. And honestly, that’s a terrible example; give me something else.

I'm not saying every problem is solvable; it's just that by pure chance, some aren't.

Unresolved issues cause dissatisfaction—or maybe "a lack of satisfaction" sounds better. Why? Probably because they exist and they wreck your life today, tomorrow, and yesterday... even though they don't *have* to exist. You know what I mean? They don't have to exist because you are perfectly capable of taking action against them.
Believe it or not, I know there are problems that are unsolvable—completely impossible to fix, where there is absolutely nothing you can do to make them go away. In those cases, at least a little dissatisfaction is necessary.
But tell this smart-ass 😉 ... what's the point of being dissatisfied if you can't change anything? You just accept the situation for what it is. I'm not going to spend my entire life feeling miserable just because something is beyond my control....
The problem you live with is one that won't leave you, and you won't leave it. What's the use in fighting it? Just shake hands with it and learn to coexist. As for a reason for true dissatisfaction, don't worry, it'll find its way to you.

It's quite the opposite: you accept the dissatisfaction. In other words, you accept that you will feel dissatisfied the entire time. That is actually what "acceptance" means. What you're describing sounds more like denial.
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#209 ·
That’s a really good question, though. Is there such a thing as "fake" suffering?

Oh, definitely. Honestly, our culture is just overflowing with it these days... like, the absolute meltdown of a teenager because she’s 55 kilos instead of 50... or the drama from someone who only has a hundred bucks in their pocket instead of two hundred... or just that constant, heavy ache of feeling like we aren't physically or mentally perfect, or being super jealous of people who seem to have it a little easier...

It’s basically what our entire consumerist, ego-driven culture is built on... so yeah, I guess that’s my definition of a "fake" struggle.🤣
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#210 ·
lonegardener said:It’s a massive difference, obviously—like the difference between seeing a speck of dust with the naked eye versus looking at it through a high-powered microscope.

It comes down to principle. If the cause of dissatisfaction is unavoidable, does that mean we can just dismiss the feeling as invalid? It might be futile (since it leads nowhere), but that doesn't make it any less real.

Are you trying to say "unresolved, but SOLVABLE problems"? 😁

But how do you actually distinguish a solvable problem from an unsolvable one?

It's quite the opposite: you accept the dissatisfaction. In other words, you accept that you will feel dissatisfied the entire time. That is actually what "acceptance" means. What you're describing sounds more like denial.

It isn't unfounded; it's just futile.
We have the power to shift our own emotions. Dissatisfaction is just a feeling, not a permanent state of being. Once you let it turn into a state, you either have to claw your way out of it or just break completely. There's no middle ground.

Don't accept the dissatisfaction. Accept the thing causing it—the root cause.
Are you seriously saying you'll just accept being miserable forever????
It isn't denial, because I'm not denying anything; I'm accepting the "problem," but I'm changing my relationship to it.

What's the issue with distinguishing between unresolved and solvable problems?
The distinction?
Some are easy to spot. A leaky roof in a Seattle apartment? Solvable. Getting decapitated? Unsolvable.
The rest... well, it's kind of a gray area... honestly, it's just enough to keep life from getting too boring.
You know... sometimes it works... sometimes it doesn't...
and
there's
a difference.
🙂
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#211 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:That’s a really good question, though. Is there such a thing as "fake" suffering?

Oh, definitely. Honestly, our culture is just overflowing with it these days... like, the absolute meltdown of a teenager because she’s 55 kilos instead of 50... or the drama from someone who only has a hundred bucks in their pocket instead of two hundred... or just that constant, heavy ache of feeling like we aren't physically or mentally perfect, or being super jealous of people who seem to have it a little easier...

It’s basically what our entire consumerist, ego-driven culture is built on... so yeah, I guess that’s my definition of a "fake" struggle.🤣

No.
Pain is pain, period.

You can try to rationalize why someone else is struggling, and you can think their reasons seem "trivial" to you, but at the end of the day, it’s still real suffering for a teenager who’s obsessed with being 110 lbs instead of 120.
Until she works through it herself, it doesn't matter how it looks from the outside.
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#212 ·
I don't know if I can agree with you there, Boyce...

It reminds me of how Jung used to say that avoiding our actual struggles is basically just a fast track to neurosis—it leaves us stuck with this, well, let's call it a "fragile" kind of existence. See the difference?😉
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#213 ·
Mačec, neither you nor Jung are going to convince me that you know more about what a teenager is actually going through than she does.

And what are you even getting at? What "avoiding the problem" are you talking about?
Try telling a teen that her struggles aren't "real" problems, and see how fast you drive her straight into a neurotic spiral. ................

good luck to everyone, I guess ............... 😉
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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#214 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:It isn't unfounded; it's just futile.
We have the power to shift our own emotions. Dissatisfaction is just a feeling, not a permanent state of being. Once you let it turn into a state, you either have to claw your way out of it or just break completely. There's no middle ground.

Don't accept the dissatisfaction. Accept the thing causing it—the root cause.
Are you seriously saying you'll just accept being miserable forever????
It isn't denial, because I'm not denying anything; I'm accepting the "problem," but I'm changing my relationship to it.

What's the issue with distinguishing between unresolved and solvable problems?
The distinction?
Some are easy to spot. A leaky roof in a Seattle apartment? Solvable. Getting decapitated? Unsolvable.
The rest... well, it's kind of a gray area... honestly, it's just enough to keep life from getting too boring.
You know... sometimes it works... sometimes it doesn't...
and
there's
a difference.
🙂

But there is a third option—just see it through to the end. 🙂

Sandra Parker3 said:It isn't unfounded; it's just futile.
We have the power to shift our own emotions. Dissatisfaction is just a feeling, not a permanent state of being. Once you let it turn into a state, you either have to claw your way out of it or just break completely. There's no middle ground.

Don't accept the dissatisfaction. Accept the thing causing it—the root cause.
Are you seriously saying you'll just accept being miserable forever????
It isn't denial, because I'm not denying anything; I'm accepting the "problem," but I'm changing my relationship to it.

What's the issue with distinguishing between unresolved and solvable problems?
The distinction?
Some are easy to spot. A leaky roof in a Seattle apartment? Solvable. Getting decapitated? Unsolvable.
The rest... well, it's kind of a gray area... honestly, it's just enough to keep life from getting too boring.
You know... sometimes it works... sometimes it doesn't...
and
there's
a difference.
🙂

Fair point. I haven't quite mastered that yet. But I think I'll have to.

Sandra Parker3 said:It isn't unfounded; it's just futile.
We have the power to shift our own emotions. Dissatisfaction is just a feeling, not a permanent state of being. Once you let it turn into a state, you either have to claw your way out of it or just break completely. There's no middle ground.

Don't accept the dissatisfaction. Accept the thing causing it—the root cause.
Are you seriously saying you'll just accept being miserable forever????
It isn't denial, because I'm not denying anything; I'm accepting the "problem," but I'm changing my relationship to it.

What's the issue with distinguishing between unresolved and solvable problems?
The distinction?
Some are easy to spot. A leaky roof in a Seattle apartment? Solvable. Getting decapitated? Unsolvable.
The rest... well, it's kind of a gray area... honestly, it's just enough to keep life from getting too boring.
You know... sometimes it works... sometimes it doesn't...
and
there's
a difference.
🙂

Okay, fine. But do you know anyone dealing with serious depression just because their roof leaks?
Actually, someone could be depressed over a leaky roof—say, if they can't afford the repairs and have begged everyone for help only to be ignored.

As for what constitutes "real" suffering, I don't think I agree with you, or Teresa (or even Jung). If a young girl is miserable because she's five pounds overweight, that's a very real struggle—it's just not caused by those five pounds. It's caused by something much deeper: the realization that she isn't attractive enough, or at least not as attractive as she wants to be. That almost never stems from the weight itself, but from factors she can't fix simply by starving herself. Now, that's an unsolvable problem...

.. for too early in the morning, if you actually went to sleep.
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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#215 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:I don't know if I can agree with you there, Boyce...

It reminds me of how Jung used to say that avoiding our actual struggles is basically just a fast track to neurosis—it leaves us stuck with this, well, let's call it a "fragile" kind of existence. See the difference?😉

Man. Sometimes I honestly feel like sitting down with a therapist just out of pure curiosity. But then again, I’d much rather just pay for a drink instead. $100 I’d rather talk to a panhandler on the street than a private shrink; social services would probably just blow me off at the first opportunity anyway. Besides, I actually met the therapist my sister was seeing. I met him because the guy somehow managed to fall for her. His marriage was a total wreck, and for a while, he even seemed to hope something could happen between them, despite all the ethical red flags. What a loser. Not as a person—because, let's be honest, I'm no better than anyone else here, so if you're reading this, don't get the wrong idea—but as a professional. After just seven sentences, it was obvious we were struggling with the exact same issues, except he’s the one "helping" people. Give me a break. Would you buy an elixir for eternal youth and beauty from some old, haggard woman? How is someone supposed to help me when they don't even believe in the soul themselves? It just doesn't add up.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#216 ·
What does "endure until the end" even mean? It’s like saying someone will stay angry for their entire life. The whole thing is bursting at the seams; there's nothing good about it.

How are you going to be unsatisfied? Heh, or maybe this: once you accept that you'll be dissatisfied all the time, there's your twist. You basically fuck up your own theory. Acceptance brings peace. You think you've accepted dissatisfaction, but deep down, you just process it as accepting the cause...
Otherwise, a subtle dose of dissatisfaction is fine because it keeps you moving. Or maybe there's a better way to put it, I don't know.

Regarding the roof.
The criteria for what's unsolvable vary from person to person. Some things might just be impossible. But then they fall into that category where there's no point in suffering over a fact you can't change. We just go in circles.
I think the only thing that matters is how you feel in the end. Are you at peace with yourself or not? If you are, call it acceptance of whatever—it doesn't matter.
If you aren't... well, you aren't. Work on being. You have plenty of downtime to deal with dissatisfaction, frustrations, and all that other bullshit. No worries.

lonegardener said:But there is a third option—just see it through to the end. 🙂

Fair point. I haven't quite mastered that yet. But I think I'll have to.

Okay, fine. But do you know anyone dealing with serious depression just because their roof leaks?
Actually, someone could be depressed over a leaky roof—say, if they can't afford the repairs and have begged everyone for help only to be ignored.

As for what constitutes "real" suffering, I don't think I agree with you, or Teresa (or even Jung). If a young girl is miserable because she's five pounds overweight, that's a very real struggle—it's just not caused by those five pounds. It's caused by something much deeper: the realization that she isn't attractive enough, or at least not as attractive as she wants to be. That almost never stems from the weight itself, but from factors she can't fix simply by starving herself. Now, that's an unsolvable problem...

.. for too early in the morning, if you actually went to sleep.

Obviously, it's not about the five pounds. You see it isn't unsolvable. You're halfway there. Once the real reasons for her self-loathing hit home, she won't be starving herself anymore. And it wasn't some minor struggle; it was the real deal, deep-seated, none of that immature kid stuff.
I actually went out, but not to sleep.

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lonegardener said:Man. Sometimes I honestly feel like sitting down with a therapist just out of pure curiosity. But then again, I’d much rather just pay for a drink instead. $100 I’d rather talk to a panhandler on the street than a private shrink; social services would probably just blow me off at the first opportunity anyway. Besides, I actually met the therapist my sister was seeing. I met him because the guy somehow managed to fall for her. His marriage was a total wreck, and for a while, he even seemed to hope something could happen between them, despite all the ethical red flags. What a loser. Not as a person—because, let's be honest, I'm no better than anyone else here, so if you're reading this, don't get the wrong idea—but as a professional. After just seven sentences, it was obvious we were struggling with the exact same issues, except he’s the one "helping" people. Give me a break. Would you buy an elixir for eternal youth and beauty from some old, haggard woman? How is someone supposed to help me when they don't even believe in the soul themselves? It just doesn't add up.

So what's really bothering you? You also "took the opportunity," knelt down where you shouldn't have 😁
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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joined Oct 2007
#217 ·
Depression?

The other day, my clutch decided to give up the ghost right in the middle of the road. I was left stranded on the shoulder of the highway, which effectively ruined my entire yesterday. A complete and utter nuisance.
Then, as if on cue, the refrigerator died, followed by the television barely half an hour later. (It is one of those peculiar phenomena where everything you buy at once seems to reach its expiration date simultaneously. 🤷 ))

I suppose I choose to view it as a form of entertainment.

O.K.
The reality is that I have the funds to cover all three repairs, which significantly alters the gravity of the situation; however, had I been lacking the means, we would have faced a domino effect—first the car, then the fridge two months down the line, and finally the TV.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#218 ·
Christian Wells6 said:Depression?

The other day, my clutch decided to give up the ghost right in the middle of the road. I was left stranded on the shoulder of the highway, which effectively ruined my entire yesterday. A complete and utter nuisance.
Then, as if on cue, the refrigerator died, followed by the television barely half an hour later. (It is one of those peculiar phenomena where everything you buy at once seems to reach its expiration date simultaneously. 🤷 ))

I suppose I choose to view it as a form of entertainment.

O.K.
The reality is that I have the funds to cover all three repairs, which significantly alters the gravity of the situation; however, had I been lacking the means, we would have faced a domino effect—first the car, then the fridge two months down the line, and finally the TV.

It changes things, sure, but not really.
At the end of the day, it's all about your mindset when you play.
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
61 messages
joined Oct 2007
#219 ·
Well, I suppose that is one way of looking at things.

However, if I were to allow such matters to truly get under my skin........................🤷
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#220 ·
Back on my usual mental loops again...
Thoughts are just one of those things you can't actually control 🤷

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