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Can psychology actually help fix relationship issues?

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Participants Chloe Barnes8Kenneth Price74Angela Rogers2Christian Wells6mistybisonSandra Parker3George Robinson5mistyharbor15rustymaker5Bryan Howard61Keith Lee2nimblepilot29Jerry Martinez5Amanda Ramirez69urbangardener35lonegardenerGerald Rivera60Jonathan Brooks7Peter Anderson57
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#41 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:then you've got a serious problem on your hands with me😁
To be totally blunt, no, I don't imagine what any of you look like at all. I don't even think about it.🤷

A caricature—interesting, though I’m a big believer in meeting people in person regardless of their physical appearance. Whether they have black, blonde, or brown hair, whether they’re tall, short, thin, heavy, or how they dress... it doesn't matter. It's more about body language. You communicate so much without saying a word, and that's where the internet fails. Given the whole development of the psyche and communication tools, you make much better selections face-to-face rather than monitor-to-monitor. I could write anything to you right now, and depending on how susceptible you are, you might just take it as gospel. And that could be a total lie. Of course, those kinds of manipulations have always been part of daily life; they weren't invented by the internet, but they're much easier—and honestly, better—to spot when you're looking someone in the eye.
Talking about quality in this context is like looking for a wheat stalk in a field of weeds.😁

I don't spend my time obsessing over people's physical appearances, but I am endlessly fascinated by the way people choose their avatars. It’s funny how much of an impression those little icons—and even just a username—can leave on your mind when you're trying to build a mental image of someone.
For instance, I see Enchi as this delicate, gentle soul who keeps things close to the chest... then there's Labellin, where the persona seems to be a direct reflection of that specific avatar they picked. And Christian Wells6? I picture them as this loud, chaotic tornado that somehow finds its own center of peace amidst all the noise... I won't get into the men, or the ones who swap their pictures every five minutes, but man, this whole digital world is such a strange, colorful sphere to exist in...😍
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#42 ·
I would personally give it a ten, especially as someone who deeply values carving out dedicated time just for myself. 🙂

The usernames here are quite interesting as well.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#43 ·
rustymaker5 said:I don't spend my time obsessing over people's physical appearances, but I am endlessly fascinated by the way people choose their avatars. It’s funny how much of an impression those little icons—and even just a username—can leave on your mind when you're trying to build a mental image of someone.
For instance, I see Enchi as this delicate, gentle soul who keeps things close to the chest... then there's Labellin, where the persona seems to be a direct reflection of that specific avatar they picked. And Christian Wells6? I picture them as this loud, chaotic tornado that somehow finds its own center of peace amidst all the noise... I won't get into the men, or the ones who swap their pictures every five minutes, but man, this whole digital world is such a strange, colorful sphere to exist in...😍

Honestly, you don't even have to try; the image just kind of forms itself in your head.
That whole psychological mechanism is what interests me—how much I'm subconsciously letting these tiny details shape my perception of someone...

When it comes to avatars... does it actually reflect who they really are, or is it just the persona they want everyone else to see?
It definitely leaves an impression. We're visual creatures after all; you see the icon, and even when you aren't looking directly at it, 😉
it stays with you.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#44 ·
Christian Wells6 said:It isn't quite that straightforward. 🙂

Ten, the moment you started bringing up gestures, body language, and all that... you really dove straight into physical appearance. When I talk about looks, I don't mean whether someone is overweight or thin or anything of that nature. I was referring specifically to their mannerisms. I find it hard to believe there are many people out there imagining anything else entirely.

The reality is that one can certainly pull a thread from all of this that is worth considering. And that thread is that everything is actually the exact opposite. In that regard, Taylor Swift is absolutely correct. You end up questioning yourself.

Enchi, I can tell. I can sense it simply by the way they write, even if they happen to be lying. I highly doubt anyone would go through the trouble of writing long, dramatic laments about things they don't truly feel. For instance, nobody who is being ignored would suddenly find themselves banned...

Yeah, you can definitely gauge it that way.
Nobody puts in that much effort to aggressively lecture about something that doesn't affect them personally.
So yeah, there’s clearly some sort of underlying interest at play here, at the very least.

The way people react to each other's reactions gives you a much more realistic picture.
Like, what exactly triggers a response.
What manages to get under someone's skin.
Or how people lash out after being provoked.
............it's everything, really. 😁

Christian Wells6 said:It isn't quite that straightforward. 🙂

Ten, the moment you started bringing up gestures, body language, and all that... you really dove straight into physical appearance. When I talk about looks, I don't mean whether someone is overweight or thin or anything of that nature. I was referring specifically to their mannerisms. I find it hard to believe there are many people out there imagining anything else entirely.

The reality is that one can certainly pull a thread from all of this that is worth considering. And that thread is that everything is actually the exact opposite. In that regard, Taylor Swift is absolutely correct. You end up questioning yourself.

Enchi, I can tell. I can sense it simply by the way they write, even if they happen to be lying. I highly doubt anyone would go through the trouble of writing long, dramatic laments about things they don't truly feel. For instance, nobody who is being ignored would suddenly find themselves banned...

Hahaha... right...
But what about the fallout from the bans themselves?
The drama surrounding warnings or temporary suspensions?
There's a whole spectrum of stuff to see... it's all pretty colorful, just like rustymaker5 was saying... 🙂

And in the end, who knows what's actually real... 🤷
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#45 ·
Such lovely lines... especially the ones about everything being just skin deep, though maybe that's just how I see things...

And while we're talking about daydreaming... please, please tell me you picture me looking like Salma Hayek.... pretty please...🤣
mistyharbor15 mistyharbor15 Member
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#46 ·
rustymaker5 said:I don't spend my time obsessing over people's physical appearances, but I am endlessly fascinated by the way people choose their avatars. It’s funny how much of an impression those little icons—and even just a username—can leave on your mind when you're trying to build a mental image of someone.
For instance, I see Enchi as this delicate, gentle soul who keeps things close to the chest... then there's Labellin, where the persona seems to be a direct reflection of that specific avatar they picked. And Christian Wells6? I picture them as this loud, chaotic tornado that somehow finds its own center of peace amidst all the noise... I won't get into the men, or the ones who swap their pictures every five minutes, but man, this whole digital world is such a strange, colorful sphere to exist in...😍

That’s a job for the psychologists—how do you actually judge someone based on an online handle and an avatar?🙂
Bryan Howard61 Bryan Howard61 Newcomer
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#47 ·
In my humble opinion, psychology can really only serve as a compass, pointing them toward ways to strengthen their bond. After that? The heavy lifting falls entirely on them—on those two, or however many people are actually in the room.
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#48 ·
Christian Wells6 said:It isn't quite that straightforward. 🙂

Ten, the moment you started bringing up gestures, body language, and all that... you really dove straight into physical appearance. When I talk about looks, I don't mean whether someone is overweight or thin or anything of that nature. I was referring specifically to their mannerisms. I find it hard to believe there are many people out there imagining anything else entirely.

The reality is that one can certainly pull a thread from all of this that is worth considering. And that thread is that everything is actually the exact opposite. In that regard, Taylor Swift is absolutely correct. You end up questioning yourself.

Enchi, I can tell. I can sense it simply by the way they write, even if they happen to be lying. I highly doubt anyone would go through the trouble of writing long, dramatic laments about things they don't truly feel. For instance, nobody who is being ignored would suddenly find themselves banned...

Yeah, true, but I was quoting mistyharbor15. Just imagine following someone online like that, maybe for five years straight, and then you finally meet them for coffee in person and they have Touretov syndrome 😁 I think I'd actually die laughing 😁😁😁
Enchi hit the nail on the head. For example, in my circle of friends, we rarely ever bring up religion, yet religion is basically the second most important thing in my life that I check in on regularly. Hehe.

As for avatars and stuff, hmm... well, as far as I know😂 Sandra Parker3 dyed her hair again. Did something big happen? I don't know, maybe not😁

I'm curious why almost everyone with a science background uses a cat for their avatar? Have you guys noticed that?
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#49 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:Yeah, true, but I was quoting mistyharbor15. Just imagine following someone online like that, maybe for five years straight, and then you finally meet them for coffee in person and they have Touretov syndrome 😁 I think I'd actually die laughing 😁😁😁
Enchi hit the nail on the head. For example, in my circle of friends, we rarely ever bring up religion, yet religion is basically the second most important thing in my life that I check in on regularly. Hehe.

As for avatars and stuff, hmm... well, as far as I know😂 Sandra Parker3 dyed her hair again. Did something big happen? I don't know, maybe not😁

I'm curious why almost everyone with a science background uses a cat for their avatar? Have you guys noticed that?

🤣
I gotta ask, do you actually have a sense of humor, or are you just performing for this crowd? 😉........
By the way, I've only dyed my hair once, so you clearly aren't paying close attention. 🙂
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#50 ·
rustymaker5 said:I don't spend my time obsessing over people's physical appearances, but I am endlessly fascinated by the way people choose their avatars. It’s funny how much of an impression those little icons—and even just a username—can leave on your mind when you're trying to build a mental image of someone.
For instance, I see Enchi as this delicate, gentle soul who keeps things close to the chest... then there's Labellin, where the persona seems to be a direct reflection of that specific avatar they picked. And Christian Wells6? I picture them as this loud, chaotic tornado that somehow finds its own center of peace amidst all the noise... I won't get into the men, or the ones who swap their pictures every five minutes, but man, this whole digital world is such a strange, colorful sphere to exist in...😍

😁

You might actually be surprised if we ever met in person. 🙂

Angela Rogers2 said:Enchi holds her own quite well; for instance, in my circle, discussions about religion rarely come up, even though religion is the second most frequent topic I visit on this site. hehe.

I am much the same. 🙂 I almost never discuss spirituality, religion, or philosophy in social settings. I don't have people to talk to about those topics, nor do I particularly seek them out. Anyone judging me based on the specific subforums where I mostly post would be quite surprised to meet me in real life. That applies to all of us. 🙂
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#51 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:🤣
I gotta ask, do you actually have a sense of humor, or are you just performing for this crowd? 😉........
By the way, I've only dyed my hair once, so you clearly aren't paying close attention. 🙂

Actually, I was going to say you did your makeup, but you clearly didn't 😛

@Enchi, as for me, it's meh. People don't really want to hear about psychology anymore 😁. A few times now, a friend of mine got pissed at me because, right in the middle of a conversation, I told him his whole argument was just pure negation and there was no point in explaining it further since he wouldn't listen anyway... so he got annoyed and threatened to burn all those stupid books I read. Then he crossed his arms, and I just told him, "Look how defensive you're being—that means I'm right." So then he basically told me to get lost. Doesn't matter what I say, I say it, and that's that. Honestly, having knowledge in this field has made it much easier for me to wrap my head around people—why they act the way they do and why herd mentality always seems to put the crowd on a lower mental level than an individual thinking for themselves. 🙂
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#52 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:Actually, I was going to say you did your makeup, but you clearly didn't 😛

@Enchi, as for me, it's meh. People don't really want to hear about psychology anymore 😁. A few times now, a friend of mine got pissed at me because, right in the middle of a conversation, I told him his whole argument was just pure negation and there was no point in explaining it further since he wouldn't listen anyway... so he got annoyed and threatened to burn all those stupid books I read. Then he crossed his arms, and I just told him, "Look how defensive you're being—that means I'm right." So then he basically told me to get lost. Doesn't matter what I say, I say it, and that's that. Honestly, having knowledge in this field has made it much easier for me to wrap my head around people—why they act the way they do and why herd mentality always seems to put the crowd on a lower mental level than an individual thinking for themselves. 🙂

😛 you ...........
If that's how you see it, then fine, but I don't—I just think a little change is enough.
I'm actually really happy with it... image (this guy should probably be talking to me like I'm some kind of princess...)
You're totally missing the subtle stuff. You just make these blunt comments, just like you did with that friend of yours 😁

And even if this change is exactly what it looks like, it still says something 😉

@ Enchi, just because you don't bring up spirituality or religion when you're out with friends doesn't mean it isn't part of who you are—it's just expressed through other things there.
It just means... don't take everything here literally... try using a little creativity when decoding the "signals" we're "sending" 🙂
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#53 ·
So, we’ve been chatting about the internet quite a bit lately... but let's set that aside for a second...

Do you guys actually think marriage counseling can make a real difference for couples going through a rough patch?
Have any of you personally tried it, or maybe know someone who has?
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#54 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:So, we’ve been chatting about the internet quite a bit lately... but let's set that aside for a second...

Do you guys actually think marriage counseling can make a real difference for couples going through a rough patch?
Have any of you personally tried it, or maybe know someone who has?

I was reading "The DNA of Success" by Jacko Zufelt recently, and he makes this pretty interesting argument regarding romantic partnerships... He suggests that men and women process love in fundamentally different ways (well, obviously we know that part). According to him, the primary way a woman shows love to a man—and helps him actually connect with his own emotions—is by showing appreciation for what he does. It’s about sending that message that his actions matter, that they are valued, and being quick to forgive when he slips up, while accepting him exactly as he is. This, according to Zufelt, is crucial for a man to establish an emotional connection and tap into those internal compasses needed to guide his own behavior.
If he feels criticized or if there's constant pressure to change, a man will naturally resist... and when that resistance finally breaks, he might spiral, turning to things like alcoholism, for example...

Women, on the other hand, tend to need to manage their own feelings... A woman's soul needs to feel supported so she can freely express her emotions, her desires, and her needs without hesitation.
A man shouldn't try to manipulate a woman's feelings or push her toward feeling something else entirely. If she's feeling down, scared, or angry, he shouldn't be critiquing those reactions.

According to Zufelt, following this would basically be the blueprint for a successful marriage.
When I sit back and really think about it, there might be some truth to that... maybe if people actually tried it, marriage counseling wouldn't even be necessary in the first place... 🤷
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#55 ·
rustymaker5 said:I was reading "The DNA of Success" by Jacko Zufelt recently, and he makes this pretty interesting argument regarding romantic partnerships... He suggests that men and women process love in fundamentally different ways (well, obviously we know that part). According to him, the primary way a woman shows love to a man—and helps him actually connect with his own emotions—is by showing appreciation for what he does. It’s about sending that message that his actions matter, that they are valued, and being quick to forgive when he slips up, while accepting him exactly as he is. This, according to Zufelt, is crucial for a man to establish an emotional connection and tap into those internal compasses needed to guide his own behavior.
If he feels criticized or if there's constant pressure to change, a man will naturally resist... and when that resistance finally breaks, he might spiral, turning to things like alcoholism, for example...

Women, on the other hand, tend to need to manage their own feelings... A woman's soul needs to feel supported so she can freely express her emotions, her desires, and her needs without hesitation.
A man shouldn't try to manipulate a woman's feelings or push her toward feeling something else entirely. If she's feeling down, scared, or angry, he shouldn't be critiquing those reactions.

According to Zufelt, following this would basically be the blueprint for a successful marriage.
When I sit back and really think about it, there might be some truth to that... maybe if people actually tried it, marriage counseling wouldn't even be necessary in the first place... 🤷

It’s a simplified view, sure, but you can't deny there's some logic there.
But let's assume everyone actually knows what they need and takes the time to "notify" their partner who doesn't.
Whether the breakdown happens during the sending, the receiving, the processing, or just how the message is reacted to... it almost doesn't matter. When any of those links snap, we just shrug and call it a "communication breakdown."
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#56 ·
rustymaker5 said:I was reading "The DNA of Success" by Jacko Zufelt recently, and he makes this pretty interesting argument regarding romantic partnerships... He suggests that men and women process love in fundamentally different ways (well, obviously we know that part). According to him, the primary way a woman shows love to a man—and helps him actually connect with his own emotions—is by showing appreciation for what he does. It’s about sending that message that his actions matter, that they are valued, and being quick to forgive when he slips up, while accepting him exactly as he is. This, according to Zufelt, is crucial for a man to establish an emotional connection and tap into those internal compasses needed to guide his own behavior.
If he feels criticized or if there's constant pressure to change, a man will naturally resist... and when that resistance finally breaks, he might spiral, turning to things like alcoholism, for example...

Women, on the other hand, tend to need to manage their own feelings... A woman's soul needs to feel supported so she can freely express her emotions, her desires, and her needs without hesitation.
A man shouldn't try to manipulate a woman's feelings or push her toward feeling something else entirely. If she's feeling down, scared, or angry, he shouldn't be critiquing those reactions.

According to Zufelt, following this would basically be the blueprint for a successful marriage.
When I sit back and really think about it, there might be some truth to that... maybe if people actually tried it, marriage counseling wouldn't even be necessary in the first place... 🤷

If you can't love your partner exactly as they are, all the effort in the world spent pretending to accept, appreciate, or forgive them will fall short. People intuitively sense when someone is acting out of genuine intention rather than pretense. Ultimately, you'll just end up feeling terrible for being dishonest with both yourself and your spouse just to keep the relationship afloat. Love is the essential foundation for everything else. 🙂
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#57 ·
There’s just something about that fundamental difference in how we all tick, both psychologically and socially...

I stumbled upon this super interesting book recently—kind of a modern follow-up to those classic "Man from Mars, Woman from Venus" vibes—where the author dives much deeper into the specific ways men and women communicate. It actually feels like such useful insight if you're ever doing marriage or relationship counseling...

The book is called "You don't really understand that - to live and a man in conversation" by Deborah Tanner. It’s written from a sociolinguistic perspective, basically arguing that men and women don't just learn different social roles within a culture; it’s almost like they belong to two entirely different cultures living under one roof. I really loved that idea.

The core idea is that for women, communication is mostly about building connections, whereas for men, it’s often driven by a desire to establish "status" or power... think about it in a broader sense. Like, when a woman tries to offer support—which is her primary instinct—men often perceive it as being belittled, because they see it as an indicator of weakness. And then there's the flip side: when women try to share their feelings, men frequently jump straight into "fix-it mode" or try to downplay the problem because they genuinely think they're helping by offering a solution.

The book gave me a good laugh, but honestly, it did a great job of explaining so many situations I notice in my own life and with the people around me...

For instance, I have this very strong drive to connect with people... to make sure everyone feels comfortable, supported, and just generally safe and okay. For a long time, I didn't quite get why I felt that way, and my coworkers would sometimes label it as me being overly sensitive or worrying too much about others (sometimes even at my own expense, haha). I have to admit, reading those descriptions was such a relief...🤣 I used to worry that maybe I was just being too cautious, but it turns out that's just how I'm wired. And actually, being able to pick up on what others need helps me a lot in my line of work.

On the other hand, it makes so much more sense now why some guys react the way they do... like, you'll share something vulnerable or an experience that really affected you, and suddenly my male friends feel this sudden urge to crack a joke about it.

Anyway, I highly recommend picking this up. It’s full of examples showing how, even from the time they are little kids, boys and girls are learning completely different styles of communicating with society...
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#58 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:😛 you ...........
If that's how you see it, then fine, but I don't—I just think a little change is enough.
I'm actually really happy with it... image (this guy should probably be talking to me like I'm some kind of princess...)
You're totally missing the subtle stuff. You just make these blunt comments, just like you did with that friend of yours 😁

And even if this change is exactly what it looks like, it still says something 😉

@ Enchi, just because you don't bring up spirituality or religion when you're out with friends doesn't mean it isn't part of who you are—it's just expressed through other things there.
It just means... don't take everything here literally... try using a little creativity when decoding the "signals" we're "sending" 🙂

you can see that for yourself😁 when you mentioned changing your avatar, I honestly thought 🙂color would go all out—like, the thickness of the brushstrokes Van Gogh used back in the day, or maybe subtle watercolor shifts.
just kidding, your avatar is an absolute ten, a delicate little flower and all that.🙂
I am subtle, perhaps too much so.😲 who wouldn't agree, right?😁

@Chloe Barnes8, sweetie. Please don't read that populist, cookie-cutter junk like those books *Man from Mars, Woman from Venus*—when in reality, we all basically fell from Jupiter and just happened to land on this planet.
Actually, we are all from the country, and we share so much with every living thing on this planet. For instance, most plants need sunlight to grow properly, and similarly, we need sunlight at a certain optimal warmth to function productively. We share way more traits with animals because, well, we are just an animal species that evolved enough brainpower to rise above the others, and here we are, a whole group sitting in front of computers.
As for men and women, I guess you could call all of that a byproduct of human evolution over time.
Like, the idea that women are more emotional—well, the reason is offspring. It's pretty simple; chemically speaking, you could call it oxytocin. Again, it's a mix of inherited instincts and social conditioning. It's all so intertwined that you can't just look at it from one angle and conclude, "this is why."
Men being more rational is just the same evolutionary thing.
I don't really know why it necessarily has to be about opposites and extremes. It could actually complement things quite nicely if you don't view it through a negative lens—not as "heaven vs. earth," but as something that can complete and even better build a relationship.
To be honest, my husband is incredibly sensitive and emotional, and my teasing often gets him so worked up that even I'm surprised.😉 😁
Who would have guessed? And if you actually saw what he looks like physically, he's like a rock. But even then—he isn't.
I wanted to write something else, but I've lost my train of thought in all these letters.
I'll be back later😁:
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#59 ·
How on earth did you guess I was thinking about Saint Therese....😁 ☕

So, listen... it’s not exactly some flashy bestseller, you know? It wasn't written just to chase trends or drop those "mind-blowing" new ideas that people down here on Earth usually obsess over...

The woman really put in the work—studying, observing, running her own little experiments... it's more like a scientific study, actually. I honestly think everything in there is true... even if I don't always find it particularly easy to swallow, if you catch my drift....😁 👍
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#60 ·
I read that a long time ago, which is why I’m calling it garbage. It’s because people started using the exact kind of mindless, hypocritical, small-minded behavior described in those pages as some sort of justification for acting that way.
Even if it’s logically, realistically, and practically damaging to me, I guess it doesn't matter.
Whatever. At the end of the day, you can't teach old dogs new tricks. 😉 😁

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