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Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#81 ·
So, if we’re actually going to talk about developmental differences—which are basically driven by instinct 😁😁😁—it's assumed that before all this massive, explosive brain evolution happened and produced all the colorful chaos we deal with today (you know, morality, marriage, government, society, love, blah blah blah), humans lived in polygamous setups. In those groups, a man and woman might stay together for maybe three years, and then she’d go looking for a high-quality genetic match again, while he’d just keep moving on to spread his genes.
Some people have managed to civilize themselves since then, and some haven't. So... I guess it really just comes down to how you were raised and what actually stuck with you.
I’m not out here preaching female fidelity or anything; I’m just pointing out the principle that for a woman, it actually matters quite a bit who is getting her pregnant. For men, it seems less critical—not that they don't care, but they aren't quite as picky, I suppose.
You know that old joke where a guy is looking for a wife and has four different candidates to choose from? He’s weighing them all up, and when his buddy asks him which one he’s going to marry, he just says, "The one with the biggest breasts."
Well, honestly, that’s pretty much how things play out in real life half the time. 😁 😁 😁
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#82 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:So, if we’re actually going to talk about developmental differences—which are basically driven by instinct 😁😁😁—it's assumed that before all this massive, explosive brain evolution happened and produced all the colorful chaos we deal with today (you know, morality, marriage, government, society, love, blah blah blah), humans lived in polygamous setups. In those groups, a man and woman might stay together for maybe three years, and then she’d go looking for a high-quality genetic match again, while he’d just keep moving on to spread his genes.
Some people have managed to civilize themselves since then, and some haven't. So... I guess it really just comes down to how you were raised and what actually stuck with you.
I’m not out here preaching female fidelity or anything; I’m just pointing out the principle that for a woman, it actually matters quite a bit who is getting her pregnant. For men, it seems less critical—not that they don't care, but they aren't quite as picky, I suppose.
You know that old joke where a guy is looking for a wife and has four different candidates to choose from? He’s weighing them all up, and when his buddy asks him which one he’s going to marry, he just says, "The one with the biggest breasts."
Well, honestly, that’s pretty much how things play out in real life half the time. 😁 😁 😁

That is precisely the point—women decide if they want motherhood, along with the who, when, and how. 😉 Choosing someone to be the father of her child does not mean she has chosen him as a lifelong or even long-term partner. 🙂 She isn't obligated to dedicate her entire life to him. She is free to seek out another man later to have more children or to experience love again. This is the level of autonomy women enjoy today that was unavailable in the past. 🙂 I suspect this newfound freedom is quite unsettling for many men, and frankly, for many women as well. 😁
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#83 ·
hm, you've got a point there. I'm not about to start making grand predictions about the future—who knows where I'll be in ten years? (if I don't just hit you guys up via DM 😁). But for now, I can't really think of anyone else. I've got a kid on the way, so I'm pretty much set for the next seven years. After that... I don't know. I wouldn't want us all to drift apart, but then again, I have no idea what my life will look like. If things with my husband ever fall through in some weird twist of fate, maybe I won't even feel the need for a man. Maybe I'll just spend my time hiking somewhere or something, I guess.😁
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#84 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:Yeah, true, but I was quoting mistyharbor15. Just imagine following someone online like that, maybe for five years straight, and then you finally meet them for coffee in person and they have Touretov syndrome 😁 I think I'd actually die laughing 😁😁😁
Enchi hit the nail on the head. For example, in my circle of friends, we rarely ever bring up religion, yet religion is basically the second most important thing in my life that I check in on regularly. Hehe.

As for avatars and stuff, hmm... well, as far as I know😂 Sandra Parker3 dyed her hair again. Did something big happen? I don't know, maybe not😁

I'm curious why almost everyone with a science background uses a cat for their avatar? Have you guys noticed that?

Are you referring to the swearing? 🤣

My goodness, look at that... I never discuss religion either, despite it being the very first sub-forum I frequent. 🤔

But Enchi, it is precisely because of things like that—say, a rafting trip—that I want to engage with you all and talk about the subjects that truly interest me. Naturally, I shall provide notice (and rest assured, the river will be warm).

Angela Rogers2, I haven't noticed that everyone in the sciences owns a cat simply because I happen to be a scientist myself. 🤔
However, if I were to choose, a cat is indeed my absolute favorite animal. 🤔
Mainly because such a creature refuses to be owned by anyone.
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#85 ·
Theresa As stated by:
There exists a certain fundamental discrepancy in how we operate, both on a psychological level and within our broader social fabric, that I find myself contemplating quite frequently. It is as if there is an inherent divergence in our very wiring, a subtle yet profound distinction in how we process the world around us compared to others, which ultimately shapes the way our society functions as a whole.

I recently happened upon a rather fascinating volume—essentially an expanded supplement to that classic, well-known treatise, *Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus*—in which the author delves into a much more nuanced elaboration regarding the fundamental disparities in how men and women approach communication. It struck me as such a compelling read, particularly when one considers its practical utility within the realm of marriage or relationship counseling; having a more precise framework for these interpersonal dynamics seems like it could be immensely beneficial for anyone attempting to navigate the complexities of partnership.

I find myself in complete disagreement with that sentiment. It strikes me as nothing more than breezy, mass-market fiction—the kind of thing one breezes through only to forget the moment the cover is closed, offering absolutely no lasting substance. Furthermore, I have never considered myself a particularly nurturing soul, and I would argue that such traits are born of one's personal convictions and education rather than being an inherent byproduct of being a woman. If anything, I might be described as somewhat radical or even unfair in my judgments. For instance, during my years in academia, if I identified a student with a genuine, raw talent for physics, I was remarkably lenient; however, if they lacked that spark, I was quite unforgiving indeed.

It strikes me, upon further reflection, that the disparities between the sexes are quite profound. I find myself increasingly inclined toward the argument that men are essentially exhausted organisms—biological entities that seem inherently more fragile than their female counterparts.
When one truly sits down to contemplate the underlying mechanics of our species, it becomes rather clear that the slight numerical advantage held by women globally is not merely a statistical fluke, but a consequence of biological attrition. On average, men tend to see their lifespans cut short by about a decade compared to women, which serves as the primary driver behind the current gender ratio on our planet. Even at the very beginning of life, nature seems to engage in its own subtle form of calibration; the birth ratio typically stands at approximately 105 males for every 100 females, suggesting that the natural world has already factored in a certain level of male vulnerability from the very start.

I find myself quite certain that I grasp the underlying mechanics of how they operate, though I remain perpetually stuck in a state of contemplation regarding whether such patterns are merely the byproduct of our social conditioning and environmental influences, or if they are, in fact, something more deeply ingrained within our very biology.

It seems they lack the capacity to process multiple streams of thought simultaneously, whereas we manage to juggle several things at once without much of a struggle, really. Their entire methodology is built upon this rigid, one-thing-at-a-time approach, which is quite limiting, if you ask me. Absolutely infuriating. 😲 One simply cannot interrupt him mid-stream to mention something you neglected to say yesterday; he won't grasp the context, and instead, he’ll descend straight into this tedious interrogation—who, when, why, and all that nonsense. Furthermore, there is no capacity to juggle multiple topics at once, nor is there any discernible ability on his part to connect one thought to the next.

They operate on a rigid, one-by-one system, moving through life with such painstaking, singular increments. We, however, are built to MULTIPLY.
And that, quite simply, is the bedrock upon which all conflict is built.

I maintain, and I am quite prepared to defend this position, that the natural sciences were essentially spinning their wheels in neutral until the moment the MULTIPLY systems were finally integrated into the fold. This is our home turf.
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#86 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:you can see that for yourself😁 when you mentioned changing your avatar, I honestly thought 🙂color would go all out—like, the thickness of the brushstrokes Van Gogh used back in the day, or maybe subtle watercolor shifts.
just kidding, your avatar is an absolute ten, a delicate little flower and all that.🙂
I am subtle, perhaps too much so.😲 who wouldn't agree, right?😁

@Chloe Barnes8, sweetie. Please don't read that populist, cookie-cutter junk like those books *Man from Mars, Woman from Venus*—when in reality, we all basically fell from Jupiter and just happened to land on this planet.
Actually, we are all from the country, and we share so much with every living thing on this planet. For instance, most plants need sunlight to grow properly, and similarly, we need sunlight at a certain optimal warmth to function productively. We share way more traits with animals because, well, we are just an animal species that evolved enough brainpower to rise above the others, and here we are, a whole group sitting in front of computers.
As for men and women, I guess you could call all of that a byproduct of human evolution over time.
Like, the idea that women are more emotional—well, the reason is offspring. It's pretty simple; chemically speaking, you could call it oxytocin. Again, it's a mix of inherited instincts and social conditioning. It's all so intertwined that you can't just look at it from one angle and conclude, "this is why."
Men being more rational is just the same evolutionary thing.
I don't really know why it necessarily has to be about opposites and extremes. It could actually complement things quite nicely if you don't view it through a negative lens—not as "heaven vs. earth," but as something that can complete and even better build a relationship.
To be honest, my husband is incredibly sensitive and emotional, and my teasing often gets him so worked up that even I'm surprised.😉 😁
Who would have guessed? And if you actually saw what he looks like physically, he's like a rock. But even then—he isn't.
I wanted to write something else, but I've lost my train of thought in all these letters.
I'll be back later😁:


It seems, then, that the book is fundamentally flawed, penned with those pervasive biases common in Western society—biases that seem desperate to justify the dying gasps of a patriarchy that is clearly mourning its lost influence. And frankly, that era is gone for good, as the structure is no longer acting as a collective mother to grown men.

WOMEN ARE NOT EMOTIONAL BEINGS, and certainly not because of offspring (at least, not to the degree men are).
Women struggle with art, they struggle with literature—disciplines that supposedly require highly developed emotions. A woman doesn't sit in a car with a gun, tracking a man's every move; typically, a woman's pain regarding a man is tied specifically to the context of having offspring. She will always prioritize her own genes.
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#87 ·
Angela Rogers2 As stated by:
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As far as faulty genetics are concerned, if you ask me, those who live life with such reckless promiscuity ought to simply cease existing.😉 😁

It isn’t quite that simple, is it? 🤷
There was a period in my life, back during my college years, when I maintained a rather casual approach to my romantic entanglements, simply because that particular lifestyle suited my circumstances perfectly at the time. It was a matter of practical necessity, really; between the rigors of my studies and the general exhaustion of academic life, I found myself needing a certain physical outlet on the weekends to decompress. I had absolutely no desire, nor any capacity, to deal with someone pestering me throughout the work week with their constant emotional demands and incessant needs.

Theresa, as you can clearly see—women are far less emotional creatures than people tend to believe. ☕ They tend to be quite rational, which is precisely why we see them opting for "stable opportunities" more frequently than not—though I try not to dwell on such generalizations too often. In essence, they aren't making these life choices based on fleeting emotions, but rather through a very calculated application of reason.

Well, I suppose one must acknowledge that men engage in such behavior as well, though it certainly seems to be a less frequent occurrence on their part.

If I might circle back to the matter of the weekends—it reminds me of a rather peculiar situation involving a close friend of mine. She somehow managed to bumble her way through the enrollment process, partially registering for a year-long program by mistake, which somehow granted her more than just a few days off. Instead of the usual brief weekend reprieve, she suddenly found herself with over a week of unexpected freedom. ☕ It didn't take us very long to realize exactly what was happening, so we naturally moved straight into the coordination phase. We actually went ahead and brought a third person on board as well—strictly a matter of timing, mind you, nothing personal at all. ☕

Then he approached me—after two full years had passed, during which time we had both moved on to much better, far more substantial things—and in one of those completely unplanned, awkward encounters, he posed a question: I find myself occasionally drifting into these rather melancholy contemplations, wondering why, in all my various entanglements, not a single woman has ever made a genuine, concerted effort to hold onto me. It is a curious thing, really, to reflect upon one's own history and realize that the departures were always so remarkably unencumbered.

What exactly should one say to him? Well, I suspect we all already know the answer, though expressing it rarely feels quite that simple. 🤷

There was this one particular guy who used to walk us all home together—about ten of us in total. We’d actually organized ourselves by birth month, which felt quite methodical at the time. I remember walking with him on one specific afternoon that stands out vividly; I had just received a failing grade on my American History exam, and since the parent-teacher conference was scheduled for the very next day, I found myself needing to switch walking groups entirely to avoid any awkward encounters. 😍
He truly seemed to have no inkling that he’d already moved on to someone new by the first of the month, only to find himself being dumped on the thirtieth or thirty-first. It was all quite oblivious, really. 🤷

You know, Ceneric, I’ve often observed that women don't actually engage in much verbal exchange, at least not in the way one might expect. They certainly engage in plenty of idle chatter amongst themselves, of course, but they rarely make an appearance at the bar to actually articulate their thoughts to the room.
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#88 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:Heh, so you haven't read anything at all? 😁
It’s kind of a gray area, honestly. It all depends on where they're headed, I guess.😁 😁 😁

@neznam Enchi, if I ever actually fell out of love with my husband, I honestly don't think I'd ever find it in me to fall for another guy again. 🤷


And you won't. You simply have far too many years and too much life experience under your belt to succumb once more to the whims of a fallible emotional creature like a woman—at least when one compares us to men.

That is precisely the thing they fail to grasp. It is quite why they go about doing all sorts of nonsense.
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#89 ·
mistybison said:She absolutely could—perhaps not right away, but eventually, without a doubt. 🙂 The real question is whether she would have the courage to let herself feel that way again. It is entirely natural. 🙂 Personally, I believe it is healthy for a woman to experience that sense of being in love frequently, if not constantly. 🙂 However, that doesn't align with the traditionalist ideal—the submissive, quiet woman who stays strictly in her husband's shadow, devoted to him alone while he pursues his ventures 😁 (like business trips, military service, or even affairs), prioritizing stability and raising his children above all else... 😉 A woman who truly nurtures her passion finds it difficult to sustain that exclusively with one person forever. That reality isn't particularly convenient for men. 😁 I suppose that is why this perspective isn't such a popular theory. 🤔 😁 🤣

And yet, you still seem inclined to take a jab at John Toševski, don't you? 😘
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#90 ·
mistybison said:That is precisely the point—women decide if they want motherhood, along with the who, when, and how. 😉 Choosing someone to be the father of her child does not mean she has chosen him as a lifelong or even long-term partner. 🙂 She isn't obligated to dedicate her entire life to him. She is free to seek out another man later to have more children or to experience love again. This is the level of autonomy women enjoy today that was unavailable in the past. 🙂 I suspect this newfound freedom is quite unsettling for many men, and frankly, for many women as well. 😁

Oh, you’ve gone and reminded me of something now.
A close friend of mine used to live with an Apollo type—a man who, to make matters more complicated, was quite prosperous. Truly living the High Life. They were together for years.
Then, she decided she wanted a child.

Within a single month, he had been kicked out of her apartment, blah, blah, blah...

So, I asked her: Why?
Her response to me was that he was slow—which is a polite way of saying he was a bit dim, a fact we all shared.
And I told her: Forgive me for asking SUCH A RIDICULOUS QUESTION.

Was she really concerned about her child inheriting his intellect? 😲
She ended up marrying a stout, balding PHYSICS PROFESSOR.
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#91 ·
I really don't feel like quoting anything right now.
But I guess it’s all just instinctual anyway. Why didn't you pick some guy who was dim-witted, unremarkable, or broke? It’s basically sexual selection—why am I saying that? Because, say, a strong, smart, attractive, funny, or wealthy man is generally seen as having good genes. The assumption is that those traits might pass down to offspring, making them more successful or capable or whatever.
I still maintain that women are more tuned into emotional cues than men are, probably because of the whole child-rearing thing. They tend to have higher social intelligence. Like, if a baby starts crying, a woman can pretty much tell why just by the sound; to a man, that’s just a nervous breakdown.😁

Tanya, you should check out *The Evolution of Man* by Jones; you might actually like it. The book is loaded with arguments from a genetic standpoint about how men are essentially genetically inferior to women, and how everything is just one big evolutionary mistake and so on... 😉 😁

As for why some people marry purely for financial gain, it’s actually pretty straightforward. Think about cavemen: if a hunter managed to bring home 10 pounds of meat after a struggle, he was showing his partner he could provide. She’d choose him to father her kids over some idiot who couldn't catch anything. To her, that meat wasn't just food; it was proof of competence. Nowadays, if a guy showed up at your door with 10 pounds of raw meat, you’d probably just stare at him wondering what his deal is. But society has evolved, and when a guy takes a woman to an expensive restaurant in a luxury car or buys her high-end perfume, it’s the modern version of that same signal. He’s basically shouting, "Look how successful and capable I am; I can afford this, so you're safe with me." If a woman isn't looking for intelligence—maybe because she isn't prioritizing it herself—she won't care if he's slow or whatever.
If she does value intelligence, then yeah, it matters.
Some women will also prioritize physical looks, letting their own specific idea of beauty drive their selection process.
And so on and so forth...
I mean, men make these choices too... I'm not just talking about women.
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#92 ·
I honestly feel like men and women are, you know, from two completely different planets... 😍 I can't quite put my finger on whether it’s hardwired into our DNA or just how we're raised by society, but we are so fundamentally different that sometimes I genuinely wonder how we manage to coexist at all, especially when you look at the long term... 😁
Actually, it feels like more and more women are starting to notice this gap, which is why you see them opting for casual flings instead, or gravitating toward those deep, intimate female friendships where they actually feel understood across every aspect of life... and maybe it's because technology has advanced so much that even those primal maternal instincts—which are, let's face it, a core part of being a woman—can be fulfilled quite beautifully without needing constant input from the opposite sex, or at least with very limited interaction... 😁 Having actual financial independence certainly makes that easier to pull off, too.
Maybe it’s finally time for men to wake up to these shifts and ditch those dusty, outdated ideas about "man roles" and "woman roles" (regardless of whatever nonsense their mothers drilled into them), if they actually want to build something meaningful with women. Women don't really need to shift their ground that much, since they've always been incredibly good at adapting anyway... 😛
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#93 ·
Oh, absolutely. After spending a hundred years treating women like they’re mentally inferior beings who exist solely to act as baby-making machines, I guess it might be time to finally close that book and start writing a new one.🙂
mistyharbor15 mistyharbor15 Member
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#94 ·
rustymaker5 said:I honestly feel like men and women are, you know, from two completely different planets... 😍 I can't quite put my finger on whether it’s hardwired into our DNA or just how we're raised by society, but we are so fundamentally different that sometimes I genuinely wonder how we manage to coexist at all, especially when you look at the long term... 😁
Actually, it feels like more and more women are starting to notice this gap, which is why you see them opting for casual flings instead, or gravitating toward those deep, intimate female friendships where they actually feel understood across every aspect of life... and maybe it's because technology has advanced so much that even those primal maternal instincts—which are, let's face it, a core part of being a woman—can be fulfilled quite beautifully without needing constant input from the opposite sex, or at least with very limited interaction... 😁 Having actual financial independence certainly makes that easier to pull off, too.
Maybe it’s finally time for men to wake up to these shifts and ditch those dusty, outdated ideas about "man roles" and "woman roles" (regardless of whatever nonsense their mothers drilled into them), if they actually want to build something meaningful with women. Women don't really need to shift their ground that much, since they've always been incredibly good at adapting anyway... 😛

Wait, if moms are the ones raising men, then women are basically the reason those traditional views exist in the first place, right?🙂 The fix is easy: once today's modern, independent women become mothers, they just need to raise their kids with these new perspectives. 😉
Keith Lee2 Keith Lee2 Active Member
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#95 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:I really don't feel like quoting anything right now.
But I guess it’s all just instinctual anyway. Why didn't you pick some guy who was dim-witted, unremarkable, or broke? It’s basically sexual selection—why am I saying that? Because, say, a strong, smart, attractive, funny, or wealthy man is generally seen as having good genes. The assumption is that those traits might pass down to offspring, making them more successful or capable or whatever.
I still maintain that women are more tuned into emotional cues than men are, probably because of the whole child-rearing thing. They tend to have higher social intelligence. Like, if a baby starts crying, a woman can pretty much tell why just by the sound; to a man, that’s just a nervous breakdown.😁

Tanya, you should check out *The Evolution of Man* by Jones; you might actually like it. The book is loaded with arguments from a genetic standpoint about how men are essentially genetically inferior to women, and how everything is just one big evolutionary mistake and so on... 😉 😁

As for why some people marry purely for financial gain, it’s actually pretty straightforward. Think about cavemen: if a hunter managed to bring home 10 pounds of meat after a struggle, he was showing his partner he could provide. She’d choose him to father her kids over some idiot who couldn't catch anything. To her, that meat wasn't just food; it was proof of competence. Nowadays, if a guy showed up at your door with 10 pounds of raw meat, you’d probably just stare at him wondering what his deal is. But society has evolved, and when a guy takes a woman to an expensive restaurant in a luxury car or buys her high-end perfume, it’s the modern version of that same signal. He’s basically shouting, "Look how successful and capable I am; I can afford this, so you're safe with me." If a woman isn't looking for intelligence—maybe because she isn't prioritizing it herself—she won't care if he's slow or whatever.
If she does value intelligence, then yeah, it matters.
Some women will also prioritize physical looks, letting their own specific idea of beauty drive their selection process.
And so on and so forth...
I mean, men make these choices too... I'm not just talking about women.

Is it just me, or is everyone here just kind of mutually enabling each other's helplessness? 😉😁
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#96 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:Oh, absolutely. After spending a hundred years treating women like they’re mentally inferior beings who exist solely to act as baby-making machines, I guess it might be time to finally close that book and start writing a new one.🙂

howg!👍
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#97 ·
Christian Wells6 said:
Angela Rogers2 As stated by:
😍
As far as faulty genetics are concerned, if you ask me, those who live life with such reckless promiscuity ought to simply cease existing.😉 😁

It isn’t quite that simple, is it? 🤷
There was a period in my life, back during my college years, when I maintained a rather casual approach to my romantic entanglements, simply because that particular lifestyle suited my circumstances perfectly at the time. It was a matter of practical necessity, really; between the rigors of my studies and the general exhaustion of academic life, I found myself needing a certain physical outlet on the weekends to decompress. I had absolutely no desire, nor any capacity, to deal with someone pestering me throughout the work week with their constant emotional demands and incessant needs.

Theresa, as you can clearly see—women are far less emotional creatures than people tend to believe. ☕ They tend to be quite rational, which is precisely why we see them opting for "stable opportunities" more frequently than not—though I try not to dwell on such generalizations too often. In essence, they aren't making these life choices based on fleeting emotions, but rather through a very calculated application of reason.

Well, I suppose one must acknowledge that men engage in such behavior as well, though it certainly seems to be a less frequent occurrence on their part.

If I might circle back to the matter of the weekends—it reminds me of a rather peculiar situation involving a close friend of mine. She somehow managed to bumble her way through the enrollment process, partially registering for a year-long program by mistake, which somehow granted her more than just a few days off. Instead of the usual brief weekend reprieve, she suddenly found herself with over a week of unexpected freedom. ☕ It didn't take us very long to realize exactly what was happening, so we naturally moved straight into the coordination phase. We actually went ahead and brought a third person on board as well—strictly a matter of timing, mind you, nothing personal at all. ☕

Then he approached me—after two full years had passed, during which time we had both moved on to much better, far more substantial things—and in one of those completely unplanned, awkward encounters, he posed a question: I find myself occasionally drifting into these rather melancholy contemplations, wondering why, in all my various entanglements, not a single woman has ever made a genuine, concerted effort to hold onto me. It is a curious thing, really, to reflect upon one's own history and realize that the departures were always so remarkably unencumbered.

What exactly should one say to him? Well, I suspect we all already know the answer, though expressing it rarely feels quite that simple. 🤷

There was this one particular guy who used to walk us all home together—about ten of us in total. We’d actually organized ourselves by birth month, which felt quite methodical at the time. I remember walking with him on one specific afternoon that stands out vividly; I had just received a failing grade on my American History exam, and since the parent-teacher conference was scheduled for the very next day, I found myself needing to switch walking groups entirely to avoid any awkward encounters. 😍
He truly seemed to have no inkling that he’d already moved on to someone new by the first of the month, only to find himself being dumped on the thirtieth or thirty-first. It was all quite oblivious, really. 🤷

You know, Ceneric, I’ve often observed that women don't actually engage in much verbal exchange, at least not in the way one might expect. They certainly engage in plenty of idle chatter amongst themselves, of course, but they rarely make an appearance at the bar to actually articulate their thoughts to the room.

Tanya, I have to hand it to you for being so creative... but a lot of what you're saying sounds like a lack of empathy, or maybe just personal bias rather than actual social trends regarding how men and women differ.

Also, since you're presenting yourself as such a powerhouse (a total amazonka, as they say), why haven't you and your friends been out at the local pubs retelling these stories the way guys do? 😁

What do you think the reason is for that? 🤷
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#98 ·
Keith Lee2 said:Is it just me, or is everyone here just kind of mutually enabling each other's helplessness? 😉😁

You might not see it... but the rest of us are definitely noticing your lack of basic literacy...😁 😁
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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joined Oct 2007
#99 ·
@ rustymaker5,
We can make things work together. These connections are informal by nature because the old way of doing things—all those rigid, formal structures—is basically dead and gone. All that trouble usually starts the moment you sign some official paperwork... nothing lasts forever. You can work on evolving while you're living life together. Once a relationship is set, it isn't carved in stone; if anything, I think radical changes are necessary as time goes on. Even then, there's no guarantee it'll last. As long as it's going, it's going....

Regarding parenting, it’s not just up to moms. People say that all the time, but really, anyone who happens to be around ends up shaping a kid, and eventually, you end up having to raise yourself anyway... so no, it's not a woman's job to fix men.
We all change through our interactions with others, whether it's due to genetics or just social circumstances.
Right now, it's about looking out for ourselves and choosing people based on our own standards. There's no need to rush into a commitment or jump to conclusions...
🙂
mistyharbor15 mistyharbor15 Member
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joined Dec 2007
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Sandra Parker3 said:@ rustymaker5,
We can make things work together. These connections are informal by nature because the old way of doing things—all those rigid, formal structures—is basically dead and gone. All that trouble usually starts the moment you sign some official paperwork... nothing lasts forever. You can work on evolving while you're living life together. Once a relationship is set, it isn't carved in stone; if anything, I think radical changes are necessary as time goes on. Even then, there's no guarantee it'll last. As long as it's going, it's going....

Regarding parenting, it’s not just up to moms. People say that all the time, but really, anyone who happens to be around ends up shaping a kid, and eventually, you end up having to raise yourself anyway... so no, it's not a woman's job to fix men.
We all change through our interactions with others, whether it's due to genetics or just social circumstances.
Right now, it's about looking out for ourselves and choosing people based on our own standards. There's no need to rush into a commitment or jump to conclusions...
🙂

Glad you brought this up. It reminded me that mistyharbor15 was asking about marriage counseling. I saw some stats saying that out of every 100 couples who go to therapy in the US, 98 end up divorced. So I agree, the legal stuff gets worn down. Though you have to wonder about the skill level of these therapists—a 2% success rate? That's rough.
I don't think the answer lies in those "radical changes" you mentioned. Sounds a bit too extreme for me.😉

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