#61 ·
grizli said:I just have to tell hollowtrucker that calling it "that"... well, there aren't even enough words in the dictionary for how vague that is...
Unnamable, unavoidable, and utterly without a name.
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Nice one, grizli!
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Soul and Spirit
Soul and Spirit
Started by casualtiger2 · · 👁 7 views · 257 replies
Unnamable, unavoidable, and utterly without a name.
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Nice one, grizli!
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#62 ·
This isn't some high-minded philosophical debate. It’s a mystical sermon. Attempting to argue with mysticism is a fool's errand—it's practically a symptom of insanity.
You're the one playing God here, assigning values to digits and trying to explain away the Absolute. One minute it's the Absolute, then it's an "oo," then it's "being"—as if you could actually map out the infinite with a pencil and paper.
#63 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:Anonymous, inevitable, and completely unowned.
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Nice one, Karen Sanchez19!
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If that’s the case, then everything you say is a lie—including the claim that "God exists."😉
#64 ·
grizli said:But then HOW can you be so sure it's a bull?
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grizli said:Everything you say is just an absolute claim...
when everything you're telling me is just based on assumptions..
I AM exactly what you're claiming—it's how I think, how I feel, and how I speak.😁
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#65 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:😉
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but that doesn't make it a fact.😁
Just because I claim a cow can't kill me doesn't mean it's true.😉
#66 ·
grizli said:but THAT doesn't mean it's actually a being😁
just because I say a COW can't kill me😉
Well, obviously not—and you can't really prove it, either, not just by talking about it.
But hey, if you can show me some immortal cow that somehow acts as the source of all abundance, life, and pure bliss, then I'll gladly admit you're right.
Have you ever heard anything about Disney?
#67 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:Of course you can't, and you can't prove it either—not through mere words.
But if you can actually present me with an immortal cow whose very will serves as the fountainhead for all abundance, life, and bliss, then I might just be forced to concede.
Ever heard of Hathor?
The moment you claim something "is the source" of anything, you're lying. You aren't even describing a god at that point; you're just making a hollow assertion about some entity.
#68 ·
Karen Sanchez19 said:I actually am exactly what you claim—everything you say I think, everything you say I feel, and everything you say I say.😁
Lame Deer said:"I AM" is absolute—you cloudy-eyed chief. 🙂
What’s left for a prosvetiti majstor to actually do in this illusory world once they’ve finally "gotten it"—once the whole "experience" has already gone down?
This big istina?
How are we actually supposed to know what the Absolute is—or even what this world is made of? For that matter, what even are the soul and the spirit?
#69 ·
Wikipedia:
Seele (d)
Soul (e)
Funny enough, there's way more written about the "soul" than the "spirit"—looks like soul gets about 3x the coverage spirit. Also—oddly enough—there's significantly more info on "spirit" when you look at the German side of things compared to the English one (Geist pulls in about double the hits of spirit)
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Seele (d)
Soul (e)
Funny enough, there's way more written about the "soul" than the "spirit"—looks like soul gets about 3x the coverage spirit. Also—oddly enough—there's significantly more info on "spirit" when you look at the German side of things compared to the English one (Geist pulls in about double the hits of spirit)
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#70 ·
casualtiger2 said:What is left for an Enlightened Master to actually accomplish in this illusory theater once they have supposedly "realized" or "experienced"...
this grand Istina?
How can we even claim to know what the Absolute is, or what this reality truly represents? What are soul and spirit, really?
You simply cannot grasp the ungraspable, nor experience the inexpressible.😁
Look, you can call those energetic, etheric layers the "soul," and perhaps define "spirit" as existence, the Absolute, or some other nebulous concept.
But "soul" typically refers to these astral energies and such.😁
However, none of that has anything to do with the "Istina," if I may be so bold... it’s just a framework. A system. Because a human being isn't merely a collection of physical matter.😁
#71 ·
Grizli, I’m sorry you’re feeling more confused than ever.
grizli said:Look, you could call this energetic, etheric body your "soul"—but then the actual spirit would have to be something else entirely, like a being, an absolute, or the universe itself—I don't know.
#72 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:Karen Sanchez19, I’m sorry you’re even more lost than you were before.
In the end, they shouldn't have written "I don't know"... it was probably just a typo for something else.🤣
But why dwell on it?
You're giving an absolute zero on this topic anyway, which is exactly my point.😁
#73 ·
Real discussion can only happen when people stop thinking, "I’m right and you’re wrong." If someone acts like a sage who possesses the absolute truth, then there’s no room left for actual dialogue.
Bowl of Sake, by Hazrat Inayat Khan
Grizli—look, regarding most of the stuff you and Lame Deer have been posting; I actually agree with you. But, I’d also argue that what I’m putting out here is just as valid.
The real questions—the ones that should actually be weighing on all of us here—ought to be framed like this:
How can we actually discern the difference between Spirit and Soul? What kind of tool or method exists to truly perceive one versus the other?
Can you walk us through that, Grizli?😉 👍
Bowl of Sake, by Hazrat Inayat Khan
Grizli—look, regarding most of the stuff you and Lame Deer have been posting; I actually agree with you. But, I’d also argue that what I’m putting out here is just as valid.
The real questions—the ones that should actually be weighing on all of us here—ought to be framed like this:
How can we actually discern the difference between Spirit and Soul? What kind of tool or method exists to truly perceive one versus the other?
Can you walk us through that, Grizli?😉 👍
#74 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:Discussion is reserved for those who insist, "My truth is absolute, and yours is invalid." A true sage avoids such arrogance; therefore, with them, there is no need for debate.
Bowl of Saki, by Hazrat Inayat Khan
Karen Sanchez19; regarding most of the points you and Lame Deer have raised; I’ll concede they hold water. But I maintain that my own perspective is equally valid.
The actual questions gnawing at all of us here ought to be framed like this:
In what specific way can we distinguish the Spirit from the Soul? What is the practical tool—the mechanism, the method—to perceive one versus the other?
Can you offer some guidance, Karen Sanchez19?😉 👍
what distinction? 🙄
where is there any difference within sameness?
where is there a difference beyond mere intellectual constructs?
wake up, knock knock 🙂😁
#75 ·
grizli said:what difference does it make
So, if I'm reading you right, your final take on the question John posed is basically—there really isn't any difference.
#76 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:So, your final verdict on the question Dragan posed is simply that there’s no difference.
Good grief.🤣
There is a distinction. To claim otherwise is like saying there's no difference between a pencil and a flat-screen TV.😁
#77 ·
Sitting Bull said:You can take those philosophies somewhere else. 😉
You’ve repeated yourself twice now, and then a third time there in the quote. 👎
This isn't even about philosophy; it's just poor (if good even exists 😕) theology
Since Christian theology is the most widespread here in the States, I should point out that the Bible doesn't actually separate the body from the soul—they are one and the same. It was only through later, popularized interpretations (by people who clearly missed the point) that this "holy trinity" of spirit-soul-body emerged. That leads directly to that famous nonsense:
"Humans possess an immortal soul."😁
As Albert Einstein once said: Only stupidity is infinite. 😉
#78 ·
adriatic said:It isn't even about philosophy—it’s just bad (if "good" theology even exists 😕 ) theology
I'm inclined to agree; this is just old-school dogma regarding God.
It's the kind of thing that really gets under an atheist's skin.
adriatic said:Which leads to that famous nonsense:
"Man possesses an immortal soul"😁
Humans don't have immortal souls; rather, an immortal soul occasionally takes on the material form of a human being.
Most of these absurdities stem from people simply parroting what they've heard.
adriatic said:As A. Einstein once put it: Only stupidity is infinite.
Now, regarding Mr. Einstein—while he was certainly a charming figure, he’s responsible for a few things too. First off, contrary to what he probably intended, he gave people a perfect excuse to stop thinking for themselves. Plus, people have started using his name to justify their own views in a way I haven't seen with any other spiritual teacher—basically using him as a shield for pure dogmatism and fanaticism.
#79 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:I have to disagree; this is essentially about the nature of God.
It’s something atheists just can't seem to wrap their heads around.
That's an interesting take, and honestly, I find it quite amusing.
Any positive assertion regarding God is inherently—by definition—false.
That makes theology nothing more than a structured system of falsehoods.
...the immortal soul occasionally manifests in human form.
In my view, Buddhists are getting closest to the truth:
There is no such thing as an immortal soul, yet there remains a need for a "soul"
(an eon, a monad, etc.) to facilitate reincarnation.
...it gave people a reason to stop thinking; ...
I would argue instead that it provided people with plenty of material for contemplation
and, more importantly, for questioning and overcoming the deep-seated biases and delusions they were once trapped by.
#80 ·
Ahu Soph Nia said:Look, this isn't some high-minded philosophical debate; it’s more like a mystical sermon. Honestly, anyone trying to argue with a mystic is probably just losing their mind.😍 🤣
Well, if the "mystic" is out of their mind, then I think we've already settled the matter.🙄 😁
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