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Soul and Spirit

casualtiger2 · 2006-05-19T11:56:20+00:00

It feels like people around here use these two terms interchangeably. You see this distinction in other languages too—like soul-spirit or Seele-Geist... So, ar…

Started by casualtiger2 · May 19, 2006 · 👁 9 views · 257 replies

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coastalcobra23 Member

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#141 · May 28, 2006

Look, you can be the most down-to-earth, genuinely kind soul on this planet, but don't go thinking that's a golden ticket to paradise,
it’s not about how many good deeds you check off a list—it’s all about faith.

Casey Jones9 Member

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#142 · May 28, 2006

Drake said:I agree it would be great if people shared their direct experiences regarding these concepts, but does anyone actually have them?

I guess everyone has them; some people just choose to deny it. I see it in certain posts on this forum where people clearly describe experiences, only for the authors to end up saying stuff like, "I don't buy into that, there's no proof..."

Drake said:Or what would you say—are there higher beings among us? 😁

You integrated that well into your text, but that wasn't quite what I meant. 🙂

I think there’s a massive difference between someone who is 100% conscious at their own level of existence and someone living in total illusion, just letting things happen superficially—like humans do. Those first people are "higher beings."

Anyway, you convinced me that everyone should share their perspective. Here’s mine:

I believe our soul is our first incarnation, while our physical body is our current incarnation in this universe. Our current incarnation carries that first incarnation within it. I suspect every element in the universe has a soul; even a water molecule has a soul in the same way a human does. Souls are "embedded" in the spirit, and the spirit is the soul of the universe—meaning the universe itself is the spirit's current incarnation. The highest being, or God—that's the universe along with all its incarnations. 🙂

So, what is the spirit of the universe embedded in? 😕

David Miller15 Member

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#143 · May 28, 2006

David Miller15 said:you could be the most compassionate soul on the planet, but that doesn't guarantee you a seat in heaven.
salvation isn't found through good deeds, but through faith.

Oh, please. Tell me, my dear friend, from what exactly is one being saved? Surely we aren't talking about escaping a merciful God and His fiery underworld?😲 😢

Brenda Cook4 Regular

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#144 · May 28, 2006

mramesa said:I had no idea you could actually head out from there, but hey, I guess anything is possible 🙂

marmesa....that's one way to put it...😉

Jason Johnson4 Active Member

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#145 · May 28, 2006

nikol said:I mean, yeah. Let’s be honest, everyone on this forum is totally insecure. First off, most people here seem to have an existential crisis about their own existence, and honestly, I don't even need to go any further than that.

🤣 🙄 🤣

Karen Sanchez19 Regular

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#146 · May 28, 2006

braindead said:P.S. the flesh is such a sinful thing...👍

The body—much like everything else in this flawed existence—is actually perfect.😁>

Karen Sanchez19 Regular

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#147 · May 28, 2006

Karen Sanchez19 said:You could be the most compassionate soul on the planet, but don't expect a VIP pass to heaven.
Salvation isn't some merit badge earned through good deeds; it's about faith.

🤣

Karen Sanchez19 Regular

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#148 · May 28, 2006

Karen Sanchez19 said:Where exactly does this "universal spirit" fit in? 😕

It’s canned up tight within the confines of your own little thought process, just like everything else.🤣 😁

hollowtrucker Member

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#149 · May 28, 2006

grizli said:The real question is—are you a truth seeker? I mean, truly?

Truth is all there is, really; but who can actually claim to be hunting it down?🙂

grizli said:Everything stems from the mind.😉

All those different material things we see—they're just reflections created by the mind, based on what our senses pick up and what we experience.

Even "everything" itself—as a concept used to group all these material illusions together—it all starts within the mind.

grizli said:...but WHO is actually in control?😉

I don't think it's about control, per se—it's more about moving away from being uncontrolled.

Karen Sanchez19 Regular

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#150 · May 28, 2006

Truth alone exists; but who, really, possesses the capacity to hunt it down?

😁

Fine. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of all this philosophical posturing about the soul and the spirit and all that nonsense? 😁

The various forms of material reality are merely reflections produced by a mind that constructs them through sensory input and lived experience.

🤣

Sensory input and lived experience 🤣

but what exactly are those senses "plugged into"? 🙄

Tyler Scott3 Member

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#151 · May 28, 2006

what they felt was "stuck" on them

Chocolate.😬

Karen Sanchez19 Regular

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#152 · May 28, 2006

Tyler Scott3 said:Chocolate.😬

Look, I wasn't at the entrance; I was at the exit.😉 😁

Casey Jones9 Member

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#153 · May 28, 2006

grizli said:your whole philosophical concept is just canned nonsense🤣 😁

Yeah, honestly, life would be perfect if we didn't have thoughts at all. 🙂

Karen Sanchez19 Regular

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#154 · May 28, 2006

Karen Sanchez19 said:True. It would be much simpler if we didn't have thoughts at all. 🙂

Thoughts exist, unfortunately...
But my point remains. These grand theories about the soul or the spirit? They are nothing more than abstract mental constructs. Where is the actual substance in any of it?

coastalcobra23 Member

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#155 · May 28, 2006

polyhymnia said:okay but seriously, what exactly is a person even trying to save themselves from? surely it isn't from a merciful God or His literal hellfire, right? 😲 😢

Look, people are out here trying to save themselves from sin through God's grace, because let's be real—every single person on this planet is a sinner.
anyone claiming they're perfect is just straight-up lying to themselves.
by accepting Jesus, you're saving your soul from eternal damnation!!!!

David Miller15 Member

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#156 · May 28, 2006

the word said:man is saved from sin through God's mercy, for all people on this earth are sinners;
and he who claims to be without sin merely lies to himself.
By accepting Jesus, one saves their soul from eternal perdition!!!!

Are you trying to convince me or those cheering you on? 😢

And where did this wretched sin even come from? Was it not perhaps created by someone just as powerful as an almighty God? 😢

coastalcobra23 Member

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#157 · May 28, 2006

polyhymnia said:are you even trying to convince me or just yourself with all this clapping and noise 😢

And where did this whole mess of sin even come from anyway? Like, did some being just as powerful as an almighty God decide to cook that up too? 😢

Look, I don't need anyone to sell me on it because I've already made up my mind—God exists.😉

As for being equally powerful... 🤣 nah, we're just stuck with the sin we inherited from Adam😉

David Miller15 Member

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#158 · May 28, 2006

this word said:I don't require any external persuasion; I have already convinced myself that God exists.😉

The weight of 🤣 that inherited sin from Adam remains just as heavy.😉

So, if that is the case, where does sin actually come from? 😢

coastalcobra23 Member

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#159 · May 28, 2006

David Miller15 said:so where does sin even come from then? 😢

Look, sin is just straight-up disobedience toward God.
Like, take the Ten Commandments, right? If you’ve actually tried to be a decent, honest person, can you honestly look at those ten rules and say you haven't broken at least one of them? 😉

I mean, seriously, if you can...🙂

David Miller15 Member

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#160 · May 28, 2006

the Word said:sin stems from disobedience to God,
for instance, let’s look at the Ten Commandments. If you consider yourself even remotely conscientious or sincere, can you honestly find a single moment where you failed to violate at least one of them? 😉

be honest, if you really think you can.🙂

But why does this God even bother establishing commandments in the first place? What exactly is God? Is sin an inherent part of His nature, or is it something external to Him? If it exists outside of Him, then where did sin originate? Who created it? And by extension, who created the being that created sin? And who created the creator of the creator of sin?

😢

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