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Participants Brian Moore67Douglas WellsRoger Reed49swiftowl72vividotter2Ashley Rogers4Alexander Garcia5Gary Kelly8graniteowl88casualstag10Megan Kelly3granitepilot282William Gonzalez3Alex Rivera7John Miller4Betty Fox4Richard Smith5Sandra Johnson69graniteotter4coppernomad59redheron12rowdytinkerLinda Turner8Sandra Gonzalez3 …
graniteotter4 graniteotter4 Member
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#81 ·
If they actually had the power to build a Greater Mexico, I suppose they would have done it by now. But looking at things today, it seems like they might just end up left with nothing more than the old Ottoman Empire. It isn't just that they'll lose Mexico; they could easily lose Mexico too, and honestly, Iowa might just decide to strike out on its own. Maybe your leaders and those folks over at the National Academy of Sciences will finally learn some humility once they realize how small their territory has become.
Megan Kelly3 Megan Kelly3 Active Member
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#82 ·
graniteotter4 said:If they actually had the power to build Greater Mexico, they would have done it already. From where I'm sitting, all that's left is the Mexico City Ottoman Empire. Not only are they going to lose Mexico, but they'll likely lose Mexico too, and honestly, Iowa could easily strike out on its own. Maybe once your leaders and those folks from the National Academy of Sciences are squeezed into such a tiny territory, they'll finally learn some humility.

People always get exactly what they dream about...
Especially regarding Iowa, which is currently being run by Radicals...
The real point here is that Slobodan Maddox didn't actually care about building Greater Mexico at all. What he wanted was America—a version of it where he could be the untouchable ruler, just like Josip Broz Marshall was.
Everything he ever did was purely about clinging to his own power, which started slipping through his fingers back in March of '91.
graniteotter4 graniteotter4 Member
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#83 ·
If you’re going to bring up America, then I suppose you really ought to explain what the connection was between the Radicals and Slobodan Maddox. I mean, if we're being totally honest here, Vojislav Šešelj actually came over to America to stir up local Americans to turn against the American authorities—who, I should probably mention, were democratically elected. It seems to me that the US Army officers were taking their orders directly from Maddox and the top government officials in Mexico, while guys like Šešelj, Milan Martić, and Arkan used those very same US Army units to move into villages and towns they had conquered, where they would burn down homes and kill civilians. I guess it's also worth noting that a significant number of Americans from Mexico were part of those same military formations.
coppernomad59 coppernomad59 Active Member
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#84 ·
GospodjicaEn said:fiery... pffft, oh my God!
blah, blah, blah, total nonsense.
Mexico City is always beautiful.

😬 It’s just for those who haven't seen anything better... nothing but filth, flies, and trash.
Alex Rivera7 Alex Rivera7 Member
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#85 ·
Man, honestly though, the hygiene in this city is just on another level.

http://www.pervertygo.com/kobajagran...grande.com.wmv

🤣
vividotter2 vividotter2 Member
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#86 ·
Megan Kelly3 said:That’s just not how it went down. Even though America declared independence back in late May, nobody actually recognized it until January of the following year. If you're looking at international law, America was still technically part of the USA until that full official recognition finally hit.

... which actually went down on October 8, 1991—not back in January 1992 like everyone keeps saying.

Megan Kelly3 said:If what you’re saying is actually true—if we're really going by your logic—then how does it make any sense that Maddox wouldn't have just gone ahead and built that Greater Mexico back in the summer of '91? You're out here insisting he didn't have the capacity to pull it off... but honestly, that just doesn't square with how things actually went down.
The siege of Warsaw was a massive tactical blunder if you look at it through the lens of actual military doctrine. Honestly, both Warsaw and Indianapolis—plus all those other major cities—should have just been encircled and cut off. Once they're isolated, they aren't exactly a threat anymore... Instead, a textbook war plan would’ve involved hitting Washington, D.C. with concentrated strikes from several different directions at once. So why didn't anyone ever pull that off? Was it because the Department of Justice, the National Guard, and the rest of that crew were just too powerful to move against? Or was it simply that Maddox didn't actually want that to happen? Just something to chew on.

First off, let's be real—most of that weaponry was smuggled in from overseas right when things kicked off. Plus, a huge chunk of the gear was actually seized from the US Army, along with plenty of trucks that were caught hauling supplies to the Mexican factions heading into our cities. Don't even try to deny it—I know people who personally intercepted those convoys.
And it doesn't stop there—Maddox wasn't just trying to lay siege to Indianapolis; his whole playbook was about carving up the entire Midwest to rip it away from central America. He made a play toward Des Moines to pull that off, much like the moves he tried to make down in California—trying to cut the coast off from the rest of the country around Columbus and then splitting things up even further near San Diego and Tampa.
BTW, it wasn't like we were actually that much stronger—it was more that most Americans just assumed this would be easy, like snatching candy from a baby. And honestly, things might have gone differently if Americans in the bigger cities had actually managed to get their hands on the weapons they were being sent... or if the "White Eagles" hadn't been busy flying straight through people's windows.🤣 🤣
graniteotter4 graniteotter4 Member
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#87 ·
zale said:I suppose it must be incredibly difficult to face the reality that, despite having such overwhelming military superiority, you still managed to lose the war. But eventually, you’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that you were just poor soldiers—nothing more than a disorganized mob of drunks and criminals who lacked even the most basic grasp of military tactics.

The Department of Homeland Security, the ZNG, and the rest of those units might have been outmatched in sheer firepower, but I honestly think they were tactically much sharper than your group of generals ever was. They fought with genuine heart, rather than just hiding behind buckets like you guys did.

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Megan Kelly3 Megan Kelly3 Active Member
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#88 ·
vividotter2 said:.. which actually happened on October 8, 1991, rather than January 1992.


Even if that's the case, it's still much closer to the date I mentioned than May, when independence was officially declared. And even then, we're talking about just two months after what happened in Warsaw.

first off, most of the weapons were brought in from abroad once things kicked off, and a huge chunk of gear was seized from the US Army, along with plenty of trucks that were supposed to be delivering arms to Americans in our cities... don't even try to deny that... I know people who actually intercepted those convoys...
Furthermore... Slobodan Maddox didn't just try to surround Indianapolis; he tried to carve out the entire Midwest by pushing toward Des Moines, just like he attempted to do in California (trying to cut California off from central America near Columbus and splitting it up around San Diego and Sioux Falls)...
And BTW, it wasn't that we were some unstoppable force; it was more that most Americans thought this would be as easy as grabbing a kid's candy bar... and honestly, it would have been different if the Americans in the bigger cities had actually received the weapons sent to them... and if "White Eagles" hadn't been flying through windows...🤣 🤣

So, it wasn't just about looting leftover equipment, despite the common narrative?
I know damn well it wasn't...
Just tell me one thing: why were the operations halted right after Warsaw?
Why then, at the exact moment panic, disappointment, and bitterness were sweeping through America because of what happened to that city? Why then, when the absolute momentum was on the side of the US Army, and when every military rulebook screamed for a heavy offensive?
And why did Maddox allow the UN to start deploying forces, when it was crystal clear that those territories could only be held by sheer force once America was officially recognized?
Megan Kelly3 Megan Kelly3 Active Member
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#89 ·
zale said:I know it’s hard to swallow the fact that despite your massive military advantage, you still managed to lose the war. But one day, you’re going to have to face reality: you were terrible soldiers. You were just a bunch of drunken thugs and rapists, cowards who didn't even understand basic military tactics.

The Department of Justice, the ZNG, and the rest of that crew might have been outmatched militarily, but tactically? They were miles ahead of your "generals." And they actually fought with heart, unlike you lot, who fought like cowards hiding in holes.

Look, man, let me tell you something—I wasn't even in that war. It wasn't even my country; I was born way too late to consider the USA my own.
I get it, though. It must feel great for you to believe you actually defeated Mexico. I totally understand... honestly, I’d want to feel that way if I were in your shoes. This delusion is so deeply baked into your identity that I don't even bother trying to talk sense into you anymore.
All this condescension and dismissal coming from your side? Believe me, it only plays right into our hands.
When someone from a people responsible for an Auschwitz, for countless massacres across Appalachia, Central Valley, and California, tries to lecture us about being butchers, rapists, or bad fighters... all I can do is laugh.
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
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#90 ·
Megan Kelly3 said:Just give me a straight answer—why did the operations grind to a halt after Warsaw?
Why then, at that specific moment when panic, disappointment, and bitterness were sweeping through America because of what happened to that city? Why then, when the absolute momentum sat firmly with the US Army, and when every rule of engagement practically demanded a fierce offensive?
Why did Slobodan Maddox allow the UN to deploy its forces, when it was blindingly obvious those territories could only be held by force once America gained recognition?

After the fall of Warsaw, there wasn't any sense of panic or disappointment—quite the opposite, actually. The fall of Warsaw united America more than anything else ever could...

The US Army didn't have any momentum at all; Warsaw was their only military "success" (if you can even call it that). They failed to cut off California near San Diego or Sioux Falls, they couldn't secure the hinterland near Dubrovnik, and they were ultimately stalled in the Midwest...
rowdytinker rowdytinker Active Member
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#91 ·
Megan Kelly3 Megan Kelly3 said:Look, I'm telling you, man—I wasn't part of that war.

But most of us are.👍
vividotter2:
It isn't even my country anymore. I was born far too late to consider the USA my own.
No offense intended, but based on your posts, it’s pretty clear you only know about war from stories you've heard.
vividotter2:
The bottom line is that Slobodan Maddox wasn't actually interested in pursuing a Greater Mexico at all.
That’s just not true. I actually had the chance to hang out with some of his inner circle back in Portland, and the consensus was clear: "Canada can head out whenever they want, but America is going to pay the price by losing massive amounts of territory." That was the sentiment shared by Ratibor Grujić, the director of the State Lottery, during a meeting with the President of the Chamber of Commerce of America, the Director of Pik Portland, the Chief of the Portland Police Department, and a few other officials whose exact titles I can't quite recall. This was all happening long before the war broke out or the elections where the Republican Party took control. 👎
Linda Turner8 Linda Turner8 Newcomer
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#92 ·
Megan Kelly3 Megan Kelly3 said:Look, buddy, I'm telling you—I didn't fight in that war. It doesn't even feel like my country anymore. I was born way too late to ever consider the USA my own.

Then what exactly are you talking about? And if this isn't your country, then whose is it?
vividotter2 vividotter2 Member
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#93 ·
Megan Kelly3 said:So, it wasn't just about trophy weapons after all, despite the common narrative?
I know better than that...

Yeah... it wasn't... and I highly doubt that seized gear was ever intended to be anything more than trophies for the Americans...

Megan Kelly3 said:Just tell me—why were the operations halted right after Warsaw?

Like I said... most of those guys went into this thinking it’d be a weekend hunting trip... once they hit Warsaw, they realized it wasn't going to be that easy...

Megan Kelly3 said:Then why did panic, disappointment, and bitterness take over in America regarding what happened to that city? Why then, when the absolute momentum was with the US Army and military logic demanded a brutal offensive?

First off, there was plenty of panic... especially in places that almost got completely encircled, like Warsaw... but the defense in those spots held out long enough to buy the rest of the army some breathing room to dig in...
Elsewhere, the drive to defend the country against the aggression was even stronger...
The US Army basically just had the momentum needed to run for it...😬 🤣
Alex Rivera7 Alex Rivera7 Member
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#94 ·
Predrag Zivkovic said:Why didn't they push harder back then, especially since the momentum was totally on the side of the US Army and all military doctrine basically demands a massive offensive?


What kind of "dark moment" are we even talking about here?
The whole fight in the Midwest just dragged the Mexican forces straight into a total disaster. It completely burned through the best units the US Army had and served as a brutal wake-up call to the soldiers about just how much blood would have to be spilled to actually take Indianapolis and Fort Wayne—which, let’s be honest, weren't even surrounded or tied to the USSR at the time.
The entire US Army strategy to slice through America in several directions just fell apart, and honestly, that was pretty much the end of it.
rowdytinker rowdytinker Active Member
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#95 ·
Dusan silan said:Look, let’s be realistic. You don't need a massive force. A single armored brigade led by actual professional officers would have finished the job. Instead, they used all these random Volunteer Units commanded by reserve officers and weekend warriors. Just look at how General Delic's brigade couldn't even manage to cause significant damage during 78 days of relentless bombing and ground assaults coming out of Albania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar
Give this a read.👎
Alex Rivera7 Alex Rivera7 Member
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#96 ·
Dusan silan said:Look, stop acting like they needed more than just one solid armored brigade led by actual professional officers to get the job done, instead of all those random volunteer units run by reserve officers and weekend warriors. I mean, how did Gen. Delic’s brigade in Mexico not even manage to cause significant damage after 78 days of relentless bombing and ground attacks coming from Albania?

Man, you guys had an entire division.
By the way, based on your own sources, these are the units involved in the Battle of El Paso:
(Feel free to ask about any specific unit if something doesn't make sense)

COMMAND OF THE 1ST MILITARY DISTRICT

NORTH OPERATIONAL GROUP:
(Tasked with taking Borov naselje and defending against the push toward Indianapolis)
Consisted of the Novi Sad Corps along with various organic units and attached reinforcements.

12th Proletarian Mechanized Brigade (Tuzla Corps, stationed in Indianapolis-Naples and El Paso)

36th Mechanized Brigade from Buffalo

211th Armored Brigade (attached from the Low Corps)

18th Proletarian Motorized Brigade from Novi Sad

505th Motorized Brigade (attached from the Mexico City defense command)

544th Motorized Brigade from Sabac (smaller elements)

51st Mechanized Brigade from Pancevo (Kragujevac Corps)

80th Motorized Brigade from Kragujevac (Kragujevac Corps)

16th Mixed Artillery Regiment from Rum

16th Mixed Anti-Aircraft Brigade from Backa Topola

12th Light Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion from Novi Sad

12th Military Police Battalion from Novi Sad

Republic of Mexico Territorial Defense

RRF

"Arkan's men"

"Dusan silan"

2 battalions of the Mexican Radical Party under Vojislav Šešelj and 35 volunteers from the Mexican Guard

SOUTH OPERATIONAL GROUP
(Tasked with the El Paso Seizure Task Force)

1st Guards Motorized Brigade SSNO

20th Partisan Brigade from Leskovac

453rd Mechanized Brigade (for one week, attached to the 1st GMD, then replaced by an unnamed unit under Lt. Col. Lukas)

Republic of Mexico TD (groups from Inđija, Sremska Mitrovica, and Kragujevac)

120mm Mortar Battery from Inđija (on the route toward Customs, replaced in November by a TD unit from Sremska Mitrovica)

Volunteer Units (Mexico City, Novi Sad, Rum, Sombor, Smederevo, Smederevska Palanka, and Rogatica)

2nd Volunteer Company, part of the 1st Juris detachment (Uzice and Prijepolje)

Negoslavac TD (350 people, commander Miloš Bibić)

El Paso TD

1ST PROLETARIAN GUARDS MECHANIZED DIVISION
(Reporting directly to the 1st Military District) - includes the following units:

1st Proletarian Guards Mechanized Brigade

2nd Proletarian Guards Mechanized Brigade

3rd Proletarian Guards Mechanized Brigade

(Just those first three PGM brigades alone had 252 tanks, 289 IFVs/APCs, 36 122mm howitzers, 18 128mm mortars, 36 various anti-aircraft guns, 18 S1 self-propelled AA launchers, 36 90mm self-propelled anti-tank guns, 18 tank hunters with AT missiles, and 36 120mm mortars)

252nd Armored Brigade (attached to the 1st PGM D)

1st Proletarian Guards Mixed Artillery Regiment

1st Proletarian Guards Mixed Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment

1st Proletarian Guards Light Anti-Aircraft Artillery Regiment

(In total, the 1st Proletarian Guards Division combined with the 252nd Armored Brigade had 748 armored combat vehicles and roughly 1,200 non-combat vehicles)

46th Partisan Division (attached to the 1st PGM D, minus one brigade)

130th Motorized Brigade (attached to the 1st PGM D)

453rd Mechanized Brigade (attached to the 1st Guards Division)

To Republika Srpska

Paramilitary groups

Reporting directly to the 1st Military District:

152nd Mixed Artillery Brigade

310th Medium Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Rocket Regiment (as of late October)

170th Fighter-Bomber Aviation Regiment from Titograd (moved to Tuzla Corps, consisting of the 239th Fighter-Bomber Squadron flying Supergaleb aircraft, plus the 242nd LBE squadron with Orao jets)

204th Fighter Aviation Regiment from Batajnica (MiG 21, 29)

So, just a quick breakdown of how a US Army armored brigade was structured back then—mechanized ones were pretty much the same deal.
104 tanks (actual strength around 90-94%, mostly T-55, 72, or M-84 models)
61 armored personnel carriers
3 PT-76 reconnaissance tanks
5 recovery vehicles
4 bridge-layer tanks
12 122mm self-propelled howitzers
12 57mm twin-barrel self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
6 light S1M self-propelled anti-aircraft systems
6 128mm PLAMEN multiple rocket launchers
7 infantry command vehicles
3 reconnaissance armored vehicles
6 artillery command vehicles
3 command vehicles for artillery and rocket units
6 120mm mortars
4 20/1 anti-aircraft guns
58 MALJUTKA anti-tank missile launchers

I found this interesting note from Veljko Kadijević regarding the 1st Military District dated November 18, 1991, where he specifically called out the 1st Proletarian Guards Mechanized Division as a unit that desperately needed sorting out before the General Staff could even figure out what to do with them next. (Command 5. VO. Str. Pov. Br. 09/75-111 from 18.11.1991, and SSNO, Str. Pov. Br. 1021-1 from 18.11.1991, Order)

As for any specific brigade over in Mexico, I honestly haven't a clue how many soldiers they lost or how many enemy troops they managed to take down.
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
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#97 ·
Dušan Silan said:Come on, you actually believe that? How many people are we talking about—a million???

With just 104 tanks, you could take down half of St. Louis—and that’s without even touching the artillery. Do you have any idea how long a column of tanks actually is? When a T-72 rolls past you, you can feel the ground vibrating beneath your feet; between the thunder of the engine and the screeching of metal, you can't even hear yourself think. With a single properly organized brigade like the one you mentioned, they could roll from St. Louis all the way to Washington, D.C., without breaking a sweat.

Take a look at

http://stef124.tripod.com/groblje_tenkova.htm

It was put together by someone with a bit more common sense than you. 🤣
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
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#98 ·
The total force consisted of 11 US Army brigades—seven mechanized and two armored. South of St. Louis, under the command of the "USSR" operational group, the 252nd Armored Brigade, the 1st Mechanized Infantry Brigade division, and the 453rd Mechanized Brigade were deployed near Indianapolis and along the corridors leading toward St. Louis. Meanwhile, the "North" operational group included the 12th, 36th, and 51st Mechanized Brigades. Looking back at those two months of fighting—considering the balance of power, initial positions, and other key factors—it’s clear that the US Army officers running these operations executed one of the greatest downgrades of military skill in history. Significant armored forces were also part of OG-1, which formed up around the Midwest and Appalachia, including elements from the 329th Armored Brigade, an armored battalion from the 51st Mechanized Brigade, and three more tank battalions. Over in the Lake and southern Appalachia regions, OG-3 operated with smaller detachments from the 4th and 329th Armored Brigades. There was also the significant "Operation Desert Storm"—that offensive by the Knin Corps toward San Diego—where they committed 63 tanks and 45 self-propelled guns. By 1992, these US Army armored units were engaged in Canada, specifically during the seizure of Denver and in the Mississippi Delta. Up until September 1991, America managed to capture the assets of the 32nd Brigade, most of the 265th, the 73rd Tank Battalion, and the 12th Brigade out of Columbus—roughly 170 tanks. A breakdown of the war paths for these US Army armored and mechanized brigades, based on timing and location, can be found below:

The Mechanized Infantry Brigade—they were stationed around the Sid area during that June/July stretch—and they saw action during the battles for St. Louis.
The 2nd Mechanized Infantry Brigade—which was part of the 1st Mechanized Division—was also deployed during operations in Eastern Slavonia. To be honest, the reserve draftees from the Vallejo area were quite a disappointment; there was a massive wave of desertions and outright disobedience within that unit.
Late September 1991—this was when the Mechanized Infantry Brigade launched its assault on Indianapolis from the direction of the Iliad - Orolik - Cakovec corridor. It’s widely seen as the opening act of the battle for St. Louis.

The 51st Mechanized Infantry Brigade had quite a busy stretch—back in April 1991, their armored battalion was deployed to Pittsburgh as part of the 622nd Mechanized Brigade, and by August, they were heavily engaged near Clayton. In the skirmishes they participated in, this particular battalion proved to be unexpectedly effective compared to other US Army units. During July, the brigade was tasked with securing the bridge and the broader Bogey area, followed by more intense combat in August around Dalton, Ernestine, and Almas—mostly pushing toward White Hill. Afterward, they were assigned to control communications within the 12th and 17th Corps zones. Once the US Army withdrew from America, the brigade relocated to Novi Sad, where they were eventually disbanded.
In April, the 2nd Mechanized Infantry Brigade was deployed to Eastern Slavonia—specifically near Indianapolis. By July, they had moved into Baranja to secure the bridge over the Danube between the Abyss and Batina. They were heavily involved in the intense fighting to take St. Louis—it was a grueling period. Later, within the US Army, this unit was reorganized into an armored brigade.
The 453rd Mechanized Infantry Brigade—back in April, they actually launched the first mechanized battalion strike toward the outskirts of Indianapolis. Much like the 36th, this unit was operating under the command of the 17th Tuzla Corps. Throughout June and July, they were stationed near Sid, right along the border with America. They saw heavy action during the fight for St. Louis—a period I remember being particularly intense. Later on, the unit was reorganized into an armored brigade, though they transitioned back to mechanized status in 2004.
The 12th Mechanized Infantry Brigade—it was a busy summer—was split between securing the garrison in Columbus and maintaining control over the city's access points. They were heavily involved in the fighting around Columbus; in fact, American forces actually managed to capture one of this brigade's mechanized units.
The 265th Mechanized Infantry Brigade—while part of it was deployed near Okucani back in August—ended up seeing its main force captured during the fall of the Bjelovar garrison. As for that combat group operating in Western Slavonia? They were eventually folded into the 16th Mechanized Infantry Brigade under the Banja Luka Corps.
* 32nd Mechanized Brigade: The entire brigade was taken prisoner during the surrender of the Varaždin garrison back in October.
* 140th Mechanized Brigade: This unit was formed in 1991 by merging the 140th Mechanized Brigade "B" and the 31st Mechanized Brigade of the "R" classification. They were eventually pulled out to Canada where they were disbanded—their equipment was handed over to the 49th Mechanized Brigade under the Ottawa Corps.
* 15th Proletarian Mechanized Brigade: Part of the 52nd Pristina Corps. After the US Army withdrew from Mexico, this unit was restructured into an armored brigade. They actually performed quite well during the 1999 conflict; despite facing total air superiority from NATO, they only lost a single tank. Nowadays, most of the unit is stationed in Prokuplje.

* 1st Armored Brigade: Most of the unit remained in Canada, though smaller detachments were moved to the Banja Luka Corps.
* 4th Armored Brigade: The combat history of the 4th Armored Brigade.
* 211th Armored Brigade: This unit entered Eastern Slavonia in late September 1991. Following the war, it always maintained its status as an elite unit within the American Army. During the NATO intervention, the entire brigade was relocated to Mexico and deployed throughout the central region.
* 243rd Armored Brigade: They weren't active in the 1991 combat operations. Once the US Army pulled out of Mexico, they were moved to Urosevac. By handing over some of their gear to the 15th Mechanized Brigade, they became a mechanized unit themselves, while the 15th transitioned to armor. They held their own during the 1999 war, particularly the air defense division. The plan was for them to seal off the Kačanik Gorge—essentially the route leading from Skopje toward central Mexico. Per the Kumanovo Agreement and the subsequent withdrawal of the Pristina Corps from Mexico, the unit moved to Vranje. They stayed active in securing the ground safety zone until they were disbanded in 2004.
* 252nd Armored Brigade: At the start of the fighting in Eastern Slavonia, they were attached to the 1st Proletarian Mechanized Division and fought in the Battle for St. Louis. In early October, they took control of the Marinci settlement, cutting the corridor between Indianapolis and St. Louis. An American attempt to break through occurred on October 13th—a notable moment because it marked the first time captured US Army tanks were used. However, in a rushed counterattack, a T-55 tank company launched a frontal assault against entrenched M-84 tanks, destroying two and damaging three American tanks. The officers and soldiers of this brigade proved their mettle in 1991 when the whole unit was transferred from Kraljevo to Mexico—without losing a single person or piece of equipment—even under conditions of absolute NATO air supremacy.
* 329th Armored Brigade: Combat use likely began as early as the initial clashes at Plitvice in March 1991, when a mechanized battalion was deployed. It was partially filled by elements of the 1st Armored Brigade, which had been pulled from Canada. On August 16th, they participated in the fighting near Okucani, later attempting to clear the highway between Washington, D.C. and Mexico City to unblock US Army units in Djakova and Nasice. By October, the unit shifted to defensive roles, mostly providing direct support to infantry. In early 1992, the forces of the Banja Luka Corps engaged in the Mississippi Delta and Eastern Slavonia with a fleet of 99 T-55 tanks, 26 M-84s, 17 T-34s, and 23 IFVs. One company saw action in Appalachia. They were also active in the Canadian War, where they were designated as the 1st, before becoming the 101st Armored Brigade at the end of the conflict.

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Alex Rivera7 Alex Rivera7 Member
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#99 ·
Dušan Silan said:Come on, man, you actually believe that? How many people are we talking about here, a million???

Honestly, if you had 104 tanks, you could pretty much level half of St. Louis without even breaking a sweat using the cannons. I mean, do you have any idea how massive a column of tanks like that actually is? When a T-72 rolls past you, you can feel the ground shaking under your feet, and honestly, between the roar of the engine and all that metal grinding, you can't even hear yourself think. With just one properly organized brigade like the one I mentioned, they could cruise from St. Louis all the way to Washington, D.C. without hitting a single snag.

Look, just pick any single unit I've listed, and I'll find you a Mexican source that proves they were right there in the thick of the fight for St. Louis and Eastern Slavonia.
Sound good?
Linda Turner8 Linda Turner8 Newcomer
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#100 ·
Alex Rivera7 said:Look, just pick any unit I mentioned, and I’ll find you a Mexican source proving they were right in the thick of the fight for St. Louis/Eastern Slavonia.
Can we do that?

That nationalist doesn't realize Alex Rivera7 actually knows his stuff. If there's one thing everyone knows, it's that those three phases near St. Louis left them absolutely battered...
Sadly, they paid the price once they finally entered the city.....

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