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Dealing with the teenage years is a nightmare

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Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
33 messages
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#501 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:I didn't really pick up the smoking habit until high school—kind of late, actually, right around graduation. My parents were basically my suppliers; they’d buy me packs just to keep the peace, with my dad always saying things like, "Well, if you're going to spend my money anyway, we might as well do it this way so it costs less"—he used to get his connections from some guys working trucking routes out of Canada to get the cheaper stuff. I was actually allowed to smoke at home, too, though with caveats. I couldn't do it in the room I shared with my sister because, you know, "you don't smoke where you sleep," so that was off-limits. They’d nag me about how unhealthy it was every now and then—mostly my dad since he doesn't smoke, while my mom would just roll her eyes and light one up herself just to take the edge off 😬—but that was pretty much the extent of it.
If they hadn't been footing the bill for my cigarettes, I probably would've just spent that lunch money on breakfast instead. And if they hadn't let me smoke in the house, I honestly would've just spent way more time wandering around somewhere else. It's not like it would have made me smoke less or, heaven forbid, quit altogether.
Just thought I'd offer another perspective.

Thanks again. Honestly, my head is spinning with all these different scenarios I hadn't even considered until yesterday... Based on what you guys said, if I end up letting her smoke, I really have to face the consequences. It’s not an easy call to make. And if that becomes our starting point, there can't be any complaining later... but we’d need a solid agreement on the specifics—where, when, how, and who she’s around while doing it. I'm just not sure how to handle that part yet...
Not buying cigarettes while silently nodding along to everyone else smoking... that just feels hypocritical to me. It’s like saying it’s fine as long as someone else is footing the bill. But at the end of the day, if there's a kid involved, it’s my problem too... regardless of whose money is being spent...
Stephanie
Thanks for the input. High school is a whole different ballgame, though. They’re definitely more aware of what's going on around them, but I honestly think things can get even more complicated once they hit those older teenage years... My kid is currently at that stage, and man, it's a lot to handle...
We'll talk today, and then we'll see how things go...
Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2021
#502 ·
After a super long day where both my daughter and I were just pretending nothing weird happened yesterday, I finally looked for the right moment to bring up the elephant in the room. I decided I wasn't going to wait even one more day... Dad has his Sunday night football game, which gave me some much-needed time to talk to her one-on-one.
I suggested we step out onto the balcony for a smoke and a serious talk, and she actually agreed, believe it or not...
First, I laid it all out from my perspective—how I didn't start smoking until I was relatively late, around 23, and even though I don't go through more than half a pack a day, quitting is such a massive struggle because the addiction is real. She said she totally gets it, that she’s tried to quit too, but she just can't seem to pull it off (though I have my doubts, but okay), and that she feels anxious without them. Lately, she's been averaging about five cigarettes a day. When I asked if she had her own stash, she mentioned she has a friend with a connection somewhere they buy them, so it's not an issue, or she just smokes her friend's cigarettes that her mom buys for her. I told her that's exactly the problem... it creates issues for her personally, and it's wrong for that shop to be selling to her, plus it's just not right to be scrounging off a friend.
So, I set some ground rules: I'm the only one buying her cigarettes now. I can maybe tolerate five a day, but anything more than that is a hard no. She can smoke at home, she can smoke mine, and since she clearly hangs out with that friend, she can smoke there... but absolutely not outside, and definitely not around the school grounds. I also made it clear I have no intention of hiding this from her father; it was just a coincidence that I found out first, but I need to figure out how to break the news to him.
To wrap things up, I told her again that I'm not happy about how things are going. I won't lecture her on the health risks because she already knows, but I did tell her I'm ready to reward her once she quits. I even got specific about what she'll get, how, and when, provided I'm convinced she's actually done with it. It seems fair on my end... we'll see.
The whole thing lasted maybe 15 minutes. We stepped onto the balcony, had two cigarettes each, and that was it.
I feel a sense of relief. In return, I'm expecting an honest relationship like the one I initiated. Nothing fundamentally changes, except she won't be hiding things from me anymore, and she'll have to stick to our agreement.
So, that's the short version. I'm acting like everything is fine, even though I know it isn't. I can't just turn a blind eye to what I'm seeing, but I don't want to be a cop either. It's easier to just believe I did the right thing and put this situation to rest.
Moving forward, there's no going back.
Thanks again to everyone for the advice. Now I'm off to do laundry, everything just feels so exhausting...
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#503 ·
Larry Gonzalez83 said:After a super long day where both my daughter and I were just pretending nothing weird happened yesterday, I finally looked for the right moment to bring up the elephant in the room. I decided I wasn't going to wait even one more day... Dad has his Sunday night football game, which gave me some much-needed time to talk to her one-on-one.
I suggested we step out onto the balcony for a smoke and a serious talk, and she actually agreed, believe it or not...
First, I laid it all out from my perspective—how I didn't start smoking until I was relatively late, around 23, and even though I don't go through more than half a pack a day, quitting is such a massive struggle because the addiction is real. She said she totally gets it, that she’s tried to quit too, but she just can't seem to pull it off (though I have my doubts, but okay), and that she feels anxious without them. Lately, she's been averaging about five cigarettes a day. When I asked if she had her own stash, she mentioned she has a friend with a connection somewhere they buy them, so it's not an issue, or she just smokes her friend's cigarettes that her mom buys for her. I told her that's exactly the problem... it creates issues for her personally, and it's wrong for that shop to be selling to her, plus it's just not right to be scrounging off a friend.
So, I set some ground rules: I'm the only one buying her cigarettes now. I can maybe tolerate five a day, but anything more than that is a hard no. She can smoke at home, she can smoke mine, and since she clearly hangs out with that friend, she can smoke there... but absolutely not outside, and definitely not around the school grounds. I also made it clear I have no intention of hiding this from her father; it was just a coincidence that I found out first, but I need to figure out how to break the news to him.
To wrap things up, I told her again that I'm not happy about how things are going. I won't lecture her on the health risks because she already knows, but I did tell her I'm ready to reward her once she quits. I even got specific about what she'll get, how, and when, provided I'm convinced she's actually done with it. It seems fair on my end... we'll see.
The whole thing lasted maybe 15 minutes. We stepped onto the balcony, had two cigarettes each, and that was it.
I feel a sense of relief. In return, I'm expecting an honest relationship like the one I initiated. Nothing fundamentally changes, except she won't be hiding things from me anymore, and she'll have to stick to our agreement.
So, that's the short version. I'm acting like everything is fine, even though I know it isn't. I can't just turn a blind eye to what I'm seeing, but I don't want to be a cop either. It's easier to just believe I did the right thing and put this situation to rest.
Moving forward, there's no going back.
Thanks again to everyone for the advice. Now I'm off to do laundry, everything just feels so exhausting...

I think you handled that well and managed to dig up some actually important information. It’s great that she shared that with you and that you two have such a solid relationship.
I definitely agree that you should tell your husband.

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Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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#504 ·
You did the right thing. Now you just have to try and hold yourself back from hovering over her every five minutes. Seriously, speaking from experience, that just fuels the rebellion and makes them pull away. My daughter didn't start all this teenage drama until she hit this stage too, so believe me, I've been there. 😁

On a brighter note, we actually managed to get through the whole weekend without a single cat fight. She even tagged along on my walk with the dog, which is basically a miracle. Last time we tried this, she bolted back inside halfway through! Turns out she actually wanted to talk, so I ended up getting a much longer walk out of it. 🤣

She admitted that sometimes she’s genuinely shocked by the stuff she says during an argument. Like, she knows she’d never say those things under normal circumstances, but she feels like her fuse is just incredibly short lately. Everything feels like a personal attack or some kind of nagging, and then—boom—she explodes. Then later she'll just sit there thinking, "Girl, what is wrong with you? Are you actually okay?!"

I told her it’s totally normal and that she shouldn't beat herself up—it's mostly just hormones doing the talking. And hey, fighting is just one way people communicate, too. She’s trying to comfort me by saying it’ll only last a few more years and then we'll be fine... 🤣
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#505 ·
Ah... I wonder how long this is actually going to drag on.

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Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2021
#506 ·
Weddings aren't really our thing here; we usually just settle everything through a simple conversation. She had been pulling away from me a bit lately, but honestly, if you look at the big picture—especially after that whole smoking incident—it all just felt like a passing phase of puberty. If things had just stayed there, I would’ve been totally fine with it.
I guess when you sleep on things, they start to make more sense. Seeing her with a cigarette isn't actually the end of the world. I'm becoming more aware that my reaction was actually pretty spot on. Today, while she had one in hand, she told me I'm the best mom in the world. I told her she was being incredibly cheesy, and that she needs to work on not breaking my trust. She claims she's never done anything like this before (which isn't far from the truth), so she won't start now. I should mention that she's naturally a total straight-A student, both in and out of school... she's never had even the slightest issue with grades or anything like that. Back in my day, smoking was always associated with a certain "type" of kid or family, which is why I reacted so intensely at first. But really, she's just a little overachiever who decided to pick up a habit a bit too early... or as my godmother so perfectly put it, she's just a "nerdy little chicken" testing the waters. My godmother says she'd trade her in right now for her two sons, who don't smoke but find a hundred other ways to act like idiots.
So, we made a little deal for a fair trade: two boys for one nerdy girl and a pack of Philip Morris Touch...
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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joined Oct 2021
#507 ·
Man, back in middle school, it felt like every single one of those troublemakers was constantly smoking—you know the type. But then, total shocker: I move up to high school where everyone supposedly applied with a near-perfect GPA—we were talking 4.0s, the absolute definition of nerds, especially back in the day like twenty-five years ago—only to find out that almost half the class had a pack of cigarettes tucked in their bag, just waiting for the bell to ring so they could rush outside for a smoke break.
I guess it really just depends on how the story goes.
Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
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joined Oct 2021
#508 ·
A total overachiever is just a classic category, and this one’s a solid 5.00. They know how to coast through the year, but somehow always manages to pull a perfect grade by the end. No one ever disputes that part... I've basically stopped trying to micromanage them at this point. A little bit of a campaign runner, sure, but they have this knack for making those final marks work out, and honestly, that's what counts. My only real gripe is that stubborn streak of theirs.
Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
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joined Oct 2021
#509 ·
So, we finally sat down and talked with Goldman Sachs today. I actually handled most of the diplomacy while the wife was away at school—it was honestly easier doing it without her in my ear. He seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say, which isn't usually how these things go... but then he just hits me with: wait, she actually smokes?! ...wow... so what now... do we start buying her packs of Marlboros?!
I guess I should have seen that coming. He’s way more laid back than I am. He just shrugged and said if she's going to do it, she might as well do it at home rather than out in public.
Jacob Lopez2 Jacob Lopez2 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#510 ·
She’s going to smoke outdoors anyway, since she started doing it just to fit in with her friends, and I see absolutely no point in encouraging her to smoke inside the house too. You’ve swung from one extreme to the other overnight. One minute you couldn't accept that she was smoking—which is perfectly logical—and now you're handing her cash for cigarettes and smoking right next to her on the balcony.
She is still a developing child, and you really ought to find some other way to bond together instead of revolving everything around smoking.

But hey, if this makes your lives easier, then fine.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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joined Jan 2023
#511 ·
I’m totally on the same page as Jacob Lopez2 here. She isn't lighting up because she’s hooked or physically craving the nicotine; it’s all about the social aspect and trying to fit in.

Look, if she starts smoking inside the house, you have to realize she’s going to be smoking outside too.

Personally, I wouldn't encourage her to smoke indoors either. If she’s dead set on this, she should just stick to doing it outside. There’s a big difference between tolerating someone's bad choice and actually helping them make it happen.
Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2021
#512 ·
Honestly, I’m too embarrassed to even talk about this outside... It’s not some poser move at all. Far from wanting to encourage it, I’d actually be happiest if none of this was happening... but I just can't look the other way.
Jacob Lopez2 Jacob Lopez2 Active Member
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#513 ·
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Larry Gonzalez83 said:Honestly, I’m too embarrassed to even talk about this outside... It’s not some poser move at all. Far from wanting to encourage it, I’d actually be happiest if none of this was happening... but I just can't look the other way.

There is a massive middle ground between ignoring the situation entirely and standing on a balcony smoking with my 14-year-old daughter while she casually lights up one cigarette after another.

It just seems to me that you accepted this reality far too quickly. Just take a look back at your very first post.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#514 ·
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Larry Gonzalez83 said:Honestly, I’m too embarrassed to even talk about this outside... It’s not some poser move at all. Far from wanting to encourage it, I’d actually be happiest if none of this was happening... but I just can't look the other way.

Well, if she doesn't smoke outside, where else is she supposed to go besides home—especially since she has your blessing? I mean, if you tell her she can't smoke inside, does that mean she just won't smoke anywhere?
It's more likely that she just got dumped by you.

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Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2021
#515 ·
mellowskipper said:unnamed

Well, if she doesn't smoke outside, where else is she supposed to go besides home—especially since she has your blessing? I mean, if you tell her she can't smoke inside, does that mean she just won't smoke anywhere?
It's more likely that she just got dumped by you.

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Unfortunately, I ended up getting played all by myself. I have to admit, I really didn't see it coming... It was more like I was trying to force a confession because I started looking back at everything and realized her stories about not smoking—and blaming everything on her friend—just didn't add up. And this went on for months. A smart person would've seen through it way sooner, and I can't exactly call myself a genius after all this... If it's any consolation, she probably would've smoked anyway, regardless of whether we gave her the okay. That's just how she is.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#516 ·
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Larry Gonzalez83 said:Unfortunately, I ended up getting played all by myself. I have to admit, I really didn't see it coming... It was more like I was trying to force a confession because I started looking back at everything and realized her stories about not smoking—and blaming everything on her friend—just didn't add up. And this went on for months. A smart person would've seen through it way sooner, and I can't exactly call myself a genius after all this... If it's any consolation, she probably would've smoked anyway, regardless of whether we gave her the okay. That's just how she is.

More like adolescence. And God forbid there's an even greater evil than cigarettes...

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Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2021
#517 ·
mellowskipper said:unnamed

More like adolescence. And God forbid there's an even greater evil than cigarettes...

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...man, I hope so. But honestly, it feels like she's even over the whole cigarette thing now. Once she realized I wasn't making a huge deal out of it anymore, it was like all her momentum just vanished. She didn't smoke once all weekend, didn't even head out to find a spot. Today, looking at the pack after work, she hadn't touched them until she stepped out on the balcony this evening for just one. I'm just playing it cool, acting like I don't care about any of it anymore...
If she actually loses interest in it, that would be the absolute best-case scenario...
🙏🙏🙏
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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joined Oct 2021
#518 ·
Well, that went great then 👍
I honestly think my folks were banking on a certain outcome when they gave me total freedom and stocked up on a whole carton of cigarettes—they probably figured once I realized I hadn't actually provoked the reaction I wanted, I'd just give it up. But man, I’ve always been a high-strung person, and it turns out those smokes were way too relaxing for my own good. It started with just one or two while I was cramming for exams, but before I knew it, I was burning through at least a pack a day for the next ten years 🙈
Larry Gonzalez83 Larry Gonzalez83 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2021
#519 ·
Like I mentioned before, this whole thing just seemed to pop up out of nowhere. At first, I didn't even suspect anything, but then it hit me—this wasn't some one-time slip-up. It’s clearly been going on for months... Whether I handled it perfectly or not, I just wanted to clear the air regarding the smoking situation right away. And honestly, thanks to the ladies on here for all the support and advice.
There isn't really a one-size-fits-all solution for how to handle this, since no two kids are the same, and no two parents are the same either.
We basically "accepted" the unfortunate smoking habit from about two or three weeks ago... I can't say I'm exactly thrilled with how it all wrapped up. Then again, if I had just ignored it, nothing else of importance would have actually changed in our little lives.
Don't get me wrong, she’s only having one, maybe two, maybe three cigarettes a day, and there are days when she doesn't smoke at all. Naturally, my first instinct was to just look the other way. Last week she had a pack, this week it's another one. I don't even comment on it anymore; I'm just over it. It almost feels like she was actually smoking more when it was "forbidden fruit," sneaking around with that friend of hers whenever she felt like it.
If she keeps this up, we'll see...
@Sarah Hall53, I know how easy it is to go through a whole pack a day... Still, speaking from experience, even during my worst phases, I never went over 10... and yet, I could never quite quit them, no matter how hard I tried.
Timothy Phillips Timothy Phillips Member
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joined Oct 2021
#520 ·
We have a similar story here; reading your posts feels like looking in a mirror. Both my husband and I smoke, and I remember vividly how much our daughter criticized us during her early teen years, claiming we were both terrible and suffocating her. Of course, we never smoked indoors—she wasn't actually at risk from us—but she nagged us constantly for her own reasons. It’s not that the criticism from non-smokers isn't valid; I agree with them and understand why they find it bothersome. But once a teenager stops complaining about it incessantly, you start paying attention.
Then, the nagging suddenly stopped. All of a sudden, it wasn't a problem anymore that we were "poisoning ourselves and everyone around us." During that phase, you don't doubt anything—it's just puberty—and her grades were perfect, so everything seemed fine. The thing is, my husband and I smoke the same brands, and there's always an extra pack or two lying around the house; we don't hide them in drawers because we feel we have nothing to conceal from anyone. Sometime during summer break before she started high school, something felt off. I began sniffing around her room because her things occasionally smelled like smoke. Just like Cornucopia, I tried to convince myself it wasn't true, because it felt impossible—my child and cigarettes?!
The situation was crystal clear: she lives with two smokers and has easy access to our supplies.
When I first mentioned my suspicions to my husband, he dismissed it entirely, saying there was no way she would do such a thing. I stayed persistent. I told him I wouldn't confront her directly, but I would monitor our cigarette stash to see if the count was right, because if she was smoking, she was stealing from us.
After a while, the numbers matched perfectly. I thought to myself that I would be making a false accusation against my own child, who was the biggest non-smoker the world had ever seen—at least on the surface.
I let go of the paranoia, and days passed. About a month later, I almost convinced myself I was wrong. One August weekend, I decided to wash the windows. As I wiped down the metal windowsill on the outside of my daughter's window, the rag came away black and smelled like an ashtray. I went full Sherlock Holmes and investigated. I looked under the window and found a pile of the exact same cigarette butts in the grass, clearly left there over days or weeks. I called my husband over and told him what I found—that our little girl had been smoking for quite some time, or that we had a ghost living in her room smoking by the window and tossing butts onto the lawn.
Besides, there are plenty of times when she is home alone, giving her all the time in the world to make poor choices. My husband still wants to hope she was just experimenting and has moved on, but I am 100% convinced she is a smoker based on everything I saw.
That same afternoon, while we were all together, I approached her very directly: "So, please tell me, how long have you been smoking?"
She stayed silent for a few seconds, stammered, and finally muttered through her teeth, "I don't remember exactly! Why are you asking me this?" I told her it was important that she be honest with me and that I wanted to know everything. I told her she needed to stop while she still can, noting that I have tried to quit many times myself. Since she had spent the previous year lecturing me about the dangers of tobacco, there was no point in me preaching to her now.
It turned out she had been doing this for several months, just as I suspected. In the beginning, she was just taking our cigarettes, and she claimed she tried it out of boredom, but eventually liked it and used it to supposedly "manage the stress" of high school applications. I don't recall any stress; everything seemed to go smoothly from my perspective. Eventually, she just kept going because she enjoyed it and had the opportunity, and by then she was buying her own cigarettes and had likely formed a real habit.
I asked her if anyone else in her friend group smokes, and she said no one in her immediate circle does, and since their parents don't smoke, the kids don't either. She subtly threw the blame back at us, implying that since she learned it from us, it's a reflection of our parenting.
I’m trying to stay objective here. Since she starts high school in a few days, I know that imposing bans is useless—they wouldn't stick anyway. Instead, I try to gently discourage her, which she understands. Deep down, she actually wants to break free from the addiction, but it’s complicated. Just telling you my story. She did brag once about going three days without a cigarette, but I saw her slip up again almost immediately.
Cornucopia, I don't know how you manage it, but I can't stand the idea of her smoking right in front of us. Maybe it’s hypocritical, since I know she smokes at home when my husband and I aren't around, but she shouldn't do it in our presence. If I were the type of person who only believed what I saw with my own eyes, I’d just treat her like a non-smoker. I haven't actually caught her with a cigarette 🙂

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