Psychotropic medication discussion thread

Nicole Barrett76 said:And it won't.

Benzodiazepines don't actually work any more powerfully just because you increase the dose. However, if you were to combine two different benzodiazepines, then you would truly feel the effect.

But please, one should absolutely not play around with this!!!

I have personally taken 15mg of one and 10mg of Oxazepam at the exact same time on a few occasions. It did nothing to shake me; I remained so incredibly calm all day that even when someone treated me like a mindless toddler, I couldn't be bothered to feel upset.

But now, since most of these aren't available over the counter anymore, it has become much harder to combine two benzodiazepines simultaneously.

Still, there is always a way around such restrictions. Everything can be managed with a little bit of luck and patience. If you are curious about how to navigate this, please send me a private message; if I were to write the details here publicly, I fear I would receive a ban from which I might never recover, and that is something I certainly wish to avoid.

Correction: I actually took 5mg doses of Xanax along with 10mg of oxazepam...

fadedbear92 said:Look, your intentions are good—you really want to help her—but please, don't do this! God forbid something actually happens to her; you know it would be an absolute disaster, and that's definitely not something you want or should risk!🤦🙂🙂🙂

That is precisely why I included the phrase ...but you absolutely cannot mess around with that! What I mean is that I am by no means advocating for mixing benzodiazepines, but I refuse to play the fool and pretend these occurrences don't exist, especially since I have found myself in that exact situation on a few occasions.

Nicole Barrett76 said:That is precisely why I included the phrase ...but you absolutely cannot mess around with that! What I mean is that I am by no means advocating for mixing benzodiazepines, but I refuse to play the fool and pretend these occurrences don't exist, especially since I have found myself in that exact situation on a few occasions.

You totally can!🤣

I’m putting this out there because it might actually be useful for someone else navigating these waters.
Basically, there’s been a reported case involving hair loss in patients taking Prozac. Once they stopped the medication—or rather, once the dosage was adjusted—the hair loss issues completely vanished.

The theory is that besides its impact on serotonin, Prozac also influences dopamine levels. We know for a fact that certain drugs affecting dopamine can trigger hair thinning.

Nicole Barrett76 said:That is precisely why I included the phrase ...but you absolutely cannot mess around with that! What I mean is that I am by no means advocating for mixing benzodiazepines, but I refuse to play the fool and pretend these occurrences don't exist, especially since I have found myself in that exact situation on a few occasions.

Look, I’ve had days where I’ve taken up to 10 mg of Lorazepam alongside 30 mg or even 50 mg of Diazepam, and unfortunately, nothing seems to touch my anxiety. They say 1 mg of Lorazepam is roughly equivalent to 10 mg of Diazepam, right? Well, I've sat down with two different psychiatrists, and both warned me that playing around with these doses is dangerous because it could trigger seizures. Yet, somehow, nobody has been able to explain to me why these massive doses of benzodiazepines don't actually work on me. So, honestly, your take on mixing benzos might not be the universal truth here. At any rate, there could be all sorts of metabolic issues preventing the drugs from working—I haven't gone out and gotten tested for it, obviously, but my gut tells me that's probably what's going on.

Finally got my period today. Yessssssss!!! It was a little late, but hey, it finally showed up.
I seriously hate it when my meds mess with my cycle.
I just demolished some chocolate, ice cream, and cookies. Feeling much better now.
Yeah, yeah, I know—total sugar overload, but I needed it.
If I don't pig out on sweets like this when my period hits, I start feeling like absolute garbage and get the shakes.

urbanskipper4 said:Finally got my period today. Yessssssss!!! It was a little late, but hey, it finally showed up.
I seriously hate it when my meds mess with my cycle.
I just demolished some chocolate, ice cream, and cookies. Feeling much better now.
Yeah, yeah, I know—total sugar overload, but I needed it.
If I don't pig out on sweets like this when my period hits, I start feeling like absolute garbage and get the shakes.

Glad to hear things are back to normal for you, but just a heads-up: Seroquel can definitely cause you to miss your period. It works by bumping up your prolactin levels (which can even lead to galactorrhea—that's when you produce milk in your breasts)—and it also tends to drop your estrogen. You should definitely have a chat with your doctor about whether you should keep taking Seroquel long-term.

Look, if you want my honest take—stay far away from psychiatric meds. I spent years cycling through different pills, especially Cogentin, and let me tell you, it’s a nightmare—not just the weight gain and bloating, but my digestion went totally south, and I almost lost my vision because of the Cogentin.
It’s been about a year since I stopped, but my period hasn't come back in years and I'm infertile now. Honestly? I don't even think it'll fix itself at this point because the damage is already done.
I was on Seroquel too, though I can't say for sure if that's what messed up my fertility and cycle.
But if you ask me, the biggest culprit was definitely the stuff I ended up relying on most—specifically that Cogentin.

quietgull75 said:Look, if you want my honest take—stay far away from psychiatric meds. I spent years cycling through different pills, especially Cogentin, and let me tell you, it’s a nightmare—not just the weight gain and bloating, but my digestion went totally south, and I almost lost my vision because of the Cogentin.
It’s been about a year since I stopped, but my period hasn't come back in years and I'm infertile now. Honestly? I don't even think it'll fix itself at this point because the damage is already done.
I was on Seroquel too, though I can't say for sure if that's what messed up my fertility and cycle.
But if you ask me, the biggest culprit was definitely the stuff I ended up relying on most—specifically that Cogentin.

From what I can tell—and I’ve been looking into this quite a bit—this isn't even really a psychiatric med; it's more like something you'd take for Parkinson's.🤷
I see they're being used for psychosis: "...ANTIPSYCHOTICS (neuroleptics) – used to treat psychotic disorders (organic psychosis, schizophrenia, paranoia, mania, and depressive psychosis)."
We need to make a distinction:
Typical ones: Xanax, Klonopin, Latuda, Haldol.
b) atypical antipsychotics: Lexapro, sulpiride, and olanzapine.
They can trigger quite a few side effects—things like neuroleptic syndrome (which usually shows up as psychomotor sedation and emotional relaxation)—followed by neuroleptic parkinsonism. We're talking rigor, tremors, akinesia, reduced facial expression, increased salivation, or even that characteristic shuffling gait... plus several other issues that require medical treatment. I’ve been looking into antiparkinsonian medications lately—it's such a complex field. such as... Cogentin. I'm on Artan...

I found this interesting resource on various treatment methods—it’s a pretty deep dive into how different approaches can be applied to patient care.

I suppose it’s pretty much the same here in the States—we see people dealing with depression using anticonvulsants as mood stabilizers quite often...

And now I've just come across this too:

Cogentin (biperidin) is typically prescribed to help patients manage significant tremors—whether those stem from neurological conditions like Parkinson's disease or are side effects from antipsychotic medications. Just a heads-up, though: this stuff can really mess with your coordination and focus while driving. Some common side effects I've noticed include dry mouth, digestive issues, dizziness, blurred vision, and a general sense of mental fog.

It also seems like people are using it as a recreational drug—which is honestly pretty wild.😲

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Look, I know it's an addiction. That’s why I was mixing it with Haldol at first—but eventually, I didn't even need the Haldol anymore. Getting off the Cogentin was a total nightmare.

Could someone please clarify something for me?

I am curious about mood stabilizers. I understand that psychiatry utilizes various classes of medication, such as anxiolytics (benzodiazepines), antidepressants, antipsychotics, and mood stabilizers. It appears to me that while the latter are primarily indicated for treating bipolar disorder, they seem to be applied much more broadly than just for manic-depressive psychosis alone. In fact, looking through our discussions, it seems several people—perhaps even a dozen of us here—have mentioned taking mood stabilizers without having a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.

How potent are these medications, truly? I am aware that Lithium is incredibly powerful, but what about the others? Are their effects comparable to those of anxiolytics, or does their strength lean closer to that of antipsychotics?

fadedbear92 said:From what I can tell—and I’ve been looking into this quite a bit—this isn't even really a psychiatric med; it's more like something you'd take for Parkinson's.🤷
I see they're being used for psychosis: "...ANTIPSYCHOTICS (neuroleptics) – used to treat psychotic disorders (organic psychosis, schizophrenia, paranoia, mania, and depressive psychosis)."
We need to make a distinction:
Typical ones: Xanax, Klonopin, Latuda, Haldol.
b) atypical antipsychotics: Lexapro, sulpiride, and olanzapine.
They can trigger quite a few side effects—things like neuroleptic syndrome (which usually shows up as psychomotor sedation and emotional relaxation)—followed by neuroleptic parkinsonism. We're talking rigor, tremors, akinesia, reduced facial expression, increased salivation, or even that characteristic shuffling gait... plus several other issues that require medical treatment. I’ve been looking into antiparkinsonian medications lately—it's such a complex field. such as... Cogentin. I'm on Artan...

I found this interesting resource on various treatment methods—it’s a pretty deep dive into how different approaches can be applied to patient care.

I suppose it’s pretty much the same here in the States—we see people dealing with depression using anticonvulsants as mood stabilizers quite often...

And now I've just come across this too:

Cogentin (biperidin) is typically prescribed to help patients manage significant tremors—whether those stem from neurological conditions like Parkinson's disease or are side effects from antipsychotic medications. Just a heads-up, though: this stuff can really mess with your coordination and focus while driving. Some common side effects I've noticed include dry mouth, digestive issues, dizziness, blurred vision, and a general sense of mental fog.

It also seems like people are using it as a recreational drug—which is honestly pretty wild.😲

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Unfortunately, you aren't wrong. I remember a blogger who used to be active here on the US forums describing how, back when they were at the psychiatric ward in Queens (or maybe Stenjevac), some long-term patients would actually manage to get their hands on Cogentin, selling a single pill for seven bucks.

He’d sell three tablets and suddenly he had enough cash for cigarettes or a drink.

Apparently, there is a veritable black market for these kinds of things among certain individuals.

quietgull75 said:Look, I know it's an addiction. That’s why I was mixing it with Haldol at first—but eventually, I didn't even need the Haldol anymore. Getting off the Cogentin was a total nightmare.

Aha!😢

Nicole Barrett76 said:Could someone please clarify something for me?

I am curious about mood stabilizers. I understand that psychiatry utilizes various classes of medication, such as anxiolytics (benzodiazepines), antidepressants, antipsychotics, and mood stabilizers. It appears to me that while the latter are primarily indicated for treating bipolar disorder, they seem to be applied much more broadly than just for manic-depressive psychosis alone. In fact, looking through our discussions, it seems several people—perhaps even a dozen of us here—have mentioned taking mood stabilizers without having a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.

How potent are these medications, truly? I am aware that Lithium is incredibly powerful, but what about the others? Are their effects comparable to those of anxiolytics, or does their strength lean closer to that of antipsychotics?

I'm actually on my third stabilizer so far... as for being "strong"? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Personally, I feel fine on mine—a little sleepy, sure, but just a bit, and overall very calm...

They're technically anticonvulsants, so they aren't exactly nothing—they definitely aren't weak. I think every medication serves a specific purpose for a particular disorder or illness... for instance, I was once on an antipsychotic and I was shaking like a leaf, so my doctor cut me off immediately...
If by "strong" you mean feeling stoned, then to me, that's moving into drug territory...🤷

Nicole Barrett76 said:Could someone please clarify something for me?

I am curious about mood stabilizers. I understand that psychiatry utilizes various classes of medication, such as anxiolytics (benzodiazepines), antidepressants, antipsychotics, and mood stabilizers. It appears to me that while the latter are primarily indicated for treating bipolar disorder, they seem to be applied much more broadly than just for manic-depressive psychosis alone. In fact, looking through our discussions, it seems several people—perhaps even a dozen of us here—have mentioned taking mood stabilizers without having a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.

How potent are these medications, truly? I am aware that Lithium is incredibly powerful, but what about the others? Are their effects comparable to those of anxiolytics, or does their strength lean closer to that of antipsychotics?

I’d say it really comes down to how "strong" you need them to be—meaning, how severe the symptoms of a disorder actually are—because that's what dictates whether you go with a lighter touch or heavy-duty chemistry...

Thank you all for the responses. However, I find myself still grappling with one particular uncertainty. While I certainly agree that symptom severity should be the primary guide, I can't help but feel that mood stabilizers—aside from lithium—occupy a middle ground in terms of potency, sitting somewhere between benzodiazepines and antipsychotics.

To be honest, I don't fully grasp the underlying mechanism of these medications. For instance, we say lithium "just" stabilizes things. But is there actually a type of mood stabilizer out there that functions like a thermostat? One that could lift your spirits when you're feeling low, yet gently pull you back down when you're overly euphoric, effectively eliminating the need to juggle antidepressants for mood boosts and sedatives when you're feeling "too high"?

Here is my take on mood stabilizers...

Lithium is the oldest player in the game, but it remains the most powerful—or rather, the most effective—stabilizer out there. That said, Lithium comes with a significant list of side effects, and before anyone can even start a regimen, they have to undergo rigorous monitoring, primarily through regular blood work. Furthermore, for someone on Lithium who struggles with alcohol, you’re essentially looking at a recipe for disaster, destroying both one's own health and everything else around them.
As for those psychostabilizers that seem to nudge your mood up and down, they don't really exist in a functional sense. Their purpose isn't to occasionally calm you down or give you a lift; as their name implies, their job is to stabilize you.
It is well-documented that Lithium—which I firmly believe is the premier stabilizer—carries heavy side effects because it simply isn't for everyone. It truly can pull a person out of a serious crisis, but conversely, if it is prescribed to someone who isn't actually symptomatic, a counter-effect occurs that can lead to severe consequences. Because of this, modern psychiatrists are often hesitant to prescribe Lithium; instead, they tend to opt for drugs like Tegretol, Apt epilepsy meds, or Depakine Chrono... medications originally designed to treat epilepsy. Psychiatrists are convinced these can stabilize mood similarly to Lithium but with fewer side effects. In my humble opinion, however, I believe doctors have misjudged the situation, though that is merely my perspective based on years of experience with psychopharmaceuticals.
I should also mention Klonopin, which is quite an interesting medication, especially since it functions as a benzodiazepine. Nowadays, Klonopin is being used for just about everything, and unfortunately, it is often prescribed for symptoms that it cannot cure—or even treat—and might actually exacerbate, creating a whole new set of problems. But that is a topic for another day.

Thanks for understanding.

Using Lamictal to Manage Bipolar Disorder
In a recent presentation titled "Lamotrigine in the Treatment of Bipolar Affective Disorder," Miro Jakovljević—who heads up the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) Department of Psychiatry and also serves at the Department of Psychiatry, University of Mostar—highlighted how Lamictal acts as a next-gen anticonvulsant that doubles as a Type B mood stabilizer. We don't have the full picture yet regarding how exactly Lamictal works to treat bipolar disorder. The leading theory is that it inhibits sodium and calcium channels in presynaptic neurons, which stabilizes the neuronal membrane by cutting down the release of excitatory neurotransmitters—think glutamate, for instance—within the cortical projections of the ventral striatum's limbic area. At higher doses, it even reduces aspartate release (Cookson et al. 2002). Research also shows that Lamictal causes a down-regulation of 5-HT1A receptors in the cortex, though not in the hippocampus, and it has a slight inhibitory effect on 5-HT3 receptors. It’s also worth noting that in animal models dealing with ischemia and neuronal damage, Lamictal actually shows neuroprotective qualities (Goldsmith et al. 2003). It has proven effective as an antidepressant for patients facing unipolar recurrent depressive disorder (Rapport et al. 1999, Ulrik 2001) as well as those experiencing the depressive phase of bipolar disorder (Suppes et al. 1999). Because it functions as a mood stabilizer for bipolar patients, there seems to be no risk of "switching" into mania—a common danger when using standard antidepressants. Based on current medical perspectives (Ketter & Calabrese 2002), we can categorize stabilizers into two groups: Type A anti-manic stabilizers (like lithium, valproate, or carbamazepine) that work from the "top down" to curb hypomania or mania, and Type B antidepressant stabilizers (like Lamictal) that stabilize from the "bottom up" to pull someone out of a subdepressive or depressive episode. To wrap things up, Lamictal is a phenyltriazine antiepileptic that offers solid antidepressant benefits for acute bipolar depressive episodes and helps prevent future ones—mostly depressive ones. While traditional antidepressants can accidentally trigger a manic shift in bipolar patients, Lamictal significantly lowers that risk, leading some experts to suggest it should be the first choice for treating bipolar depression.

Anticonvulsants for asthma too?! How wild is that!
http://www.asthma.ge/

http://www.psycheducation.org/depres...tabilizers.htm

Here is a super deep dive study on stabilizers...

fadedbear92 said:Using Lamictal to Manage Bipolar Disorder
In a recent presentation titled "Lamotrigine in the Treatment of Bipolar Affective Disorder," Miro Jakovljević—who heads up the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) Department of Psychiatry and also serves at the Department of Psychiatry, University of Mostar—highlighted how Lamictal acts as a next-gen anticonvulsant that doubles as a Type B mood stabilizer. We don't have the full picture yet regarding how exactly Lamictal works to treat bipolar disorder. The leading theory is that it inhibits sodium and calcium channels in presynaptic neurons, which stabilizes the neuronal membrane by cutting down the release of excitatory neurotransmitters—think glutamate, for instance—within the cortical projections of the ventral striatum's limbic area. At higher doses, it even reduces aspartate release (Cookson et al. 2002). Research also shows that Lamictal causes a down-regulation of 5-HT1A receptors in the cortex, though not in the hippocampus, and it has a slight inhibitory effect on 5-HT3 receptors. It’s also worth noting that in animal models dealing with ischemia and neuronal damage, Lamictal actually shows neuroprotective qualities (Goldsmith et al. 2003). It has proven effective as an antidepressant for patients facing unipolar recurrent depressive disorder (Rapport et al. 1999, Ulrik 2001) as well as those experiencing the depressive phase of bipolar disorder (Suppes et al. 1999). Because it functions as a mood stabilizer for bipolar patients, there seems to be no risk of "switching" into mania—a common danger when using standard antidepressants. Based on current medical perspectives (Ketter & Calabrese 2002), we can categorize stabilizers into two groups: Type A anti-manic stabilizers (like lithium, valproate, or carbamazepine) that work from the "top down" to curb hypomania or mania, and Type B antidepressant stabilizers (like Lamictal) that stabilize from the "bottom up" to pull someone out of a subdepressive or depressive episode. To wrap things up, Lamictal is a phenyltriazine antiepileptic that offers solid antidepressant benefits for acute bipolar depressive episodes and helps prevent future ones—mostly depressive ones. While traditional antidepressants can accidentally trigger a manic shift in bipolar patients, Lamictal significantly lowers that risk, leading some experts to suggest it should be the first choice for treating bipolar depression.

Anticonvulsants for asthma too?! How wild is that!
http://www.asthma.ge/

http://www.psycheducation.org/depres...tabilizers.htm

Here is a super deep dive study on stabilizers...

I am truly grateful to you.

Does anyone know where I can find some solid studies on the success rates of psychotropic medications? A close friend of mine actually managed to pull himself back from the brink after spending a few months at a psychiatric facility; he decided to check himself in because he realized he just couldn't handle things on his own anymore. To be honest, I was pretty skeptical about the whole thing at first, but seeing him recover like that really changed my perspective. It made me realize that this isn't just some fringe pseudoscience, so I want to try being a bit more objective about it. If anyone has any links to actual statistical data or clinical research, I’d really appreciate it.