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Participants Robin Myers91Eric Wood7Maria Gomez6crimsonhound80Tyler Ortiz6dustyscout41Andrew Stewart2George Ramos64Morgan Long49Jason Sanchez3briskgull27Charles Edwards8Brenda Allen2hollowtinker8bluecyclist28electricorca13David Kern14Ashley Morganwanderingscout13Sam Hall15coppergardenerCarl Thompson4Mark Stewartanalognomad762 …
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#2541 ·
Timothy Wood38 said:Hey everyone, how’s it going? Honestly, I’m still out here wrestling with BPD. This summer was particularly rough—I even dealt with some psychotic episodes, and don't even get me started on the depression side of things. I feel like I've cycled through just about every SSRI, SNRI, and MAOI out there, and nothing seems to touch it. Right now, my cocktail consists of 60 mg Paxil and 60 mg Prozac daily, plus 10 mg Zyprexa, 5 mg Ativan, and 20 mg Ambien. The Zyprexa has been brutal, though; I've put on quite a bit of weight, my glucose levels have spiked, and my hair is thinning out terribly. It feels like I'm hitting a wall with everything, to the point where I actually started considering ECT. But then, I saw that Abilify Tablets are finally available here in the States, so next time I see my psychiatrist, I'm going to ask about swapping the Zyprexa for Abilify Tablets. I'm really putting a lot of hope into this one. Anyway, that's enough from me. Take care of yourselves.

http://www.theodora.com/drugs/abilif...rica.html:eek:
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
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#2542 ·
fadedbear92 said:http://www.theodora.com/drugs/abilif...rica.html:eek:

The link isn't working on my end... could you give me the gist of what it's talking about?
Andrew Doyle Andrew Doyle Regular
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#2543 ·
Roger Rodriguez said:Which antidepressant are you taking?
I haven't personally experienced this, but I know that various medications—including antidepressants—can cause increased hair thinning. Still, is heavy shedding really the same thing as losing entire chunks while brushing? We shouldn't jump to blaming the meds just yet.
How are your hormone levels? Your iron? Are you taking anything else?

I'm on Zoloft.
My hormones and CBC results are all fine.
I'm not taking anything else besides that. 🤷
It's not falling out in strands, it's just that there's so much of it coming away at once that it feels like entire sections have just vanished.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#2544 ·
Timothy Wood38 said:The link isn't working on my end... could you give me the gist of what it's talking about?

Abilify Tablets (Otsuka America)

Increased Mortality in Elderly Patients with Dementia-Related Psychosis Elderly patients with dementia-related
Studies show that when elderly patients dealing with dementia-related psychosis are given atypical antipsychotics, they face a higher risk of death than those receiving a placebo. After looking closely at seventeen different placebo-controlled trials—which usually lasted around ten weeks—it turns out the mortality risk for those on the medication was about 1.6 to 1.7 times higher than the placebo group. To put some numbers on it, during a standard ten-week study, the death rate for patients on the drugs sat at roughly 4.5%, while the placebo group stayed lower at about 2.6%. While the specific causes of death varied, most cases seemed to stem from cardiovascular issues—think things like heart failure or sudden cardiac events—or infections, such as pneumonia. Just a heads-up: ABILIFY (aripiprazole) isn't actually approved to treat patients suffering from dementia-related psychosis.

DESCRIPTION

ABILIFY® (aripiprazole) is a psychotropic medication that comes in both tablet and oral solution forms. Chemically speaking, it's identified as 7-[4-[4-(2,3-dichlorophenyl)-1-piperazinyl]butoxy]-3,4-dihydrocarbostyril—which, if you're looking at the math, gives us an empirical formula of C 23 H 27 Cl 2 N 3 O 2 and a molecular weight of 448.38. Here’s a look at the chemical structure:
...

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION

Living with schizophrenia—it’s an incredibly complex journey, isn't it? It really forces you to navigate a reality that feels entirely different from everyone else's.

Standard dosage.

When you're looking at starting Abilify, the typical move is to aim for a daily dose of either 10 or 15 mg—just take it once a day, and honestly, it doesn't even matter if you eat beforehand or not. Clinical studies have pretty much confirmed that staying within the 10 to 30 mg per day range works well for the tablet version, though there's a bit of a catch: increasing the dose beyond those initial 10 or 15 mg levels didn't actually show any extra benefit in the trials. Also, you really shouldn't try to bump up the dosage until at least two weeks have passed—you need to give the medication enough time to reach a steady state in your system first.

Dosage in special Populations Dosage

You don't typically need to tweak the dosage based on things like age, gender, race, or whether someone has kidney or liver issues—though you should definitely check out the section on Dosage in special Populations Dosage for more details.

If you're managing someone on aripiprazole while they're also taking a potential CYP3A4 inhibitor—for instance, if they're on ketoconazole—you'll need to cut that aripiprazole dose right in half. Once that inhibitor is cleared out of their system and they stop the combination therapy, you'll want to gradually bump the aripiprazole dosage back up.

If you're managing someone on aripiprazole who is also taking a potential CYP2D6 inhibitor—think drugs like fluoxetine, paroxetine, or even quinidine—you really need to adjust the dosage. In those cases, the aripiprazole dose should be cut down to at least half of what it would normally be. Once that inhibitor is cleared out of the treatment plan, you can go ahead and scale the aripiprazole dose back up.

Regarding dosage adjustments for those on potential CYP3A4 inducers: If you add a potential CYP3A4 inducer like carbamazepine to an aripiprazole regimen, you’ll want to double that aripiprazole dose—we're talking 20 or 30 mg. Any further increases really come down to individual clinical assessment. Just keep in mind that once the carbamazepine is taken off the table, the aripiprazole dose needs to be scaled back to somewhere between 10 and 15 mg.

Maintenance therapy—it’s such a delicate balancing act, isn't it? One day you feel like you've finally found that sweet spot, and the next, you're back to square one.

Since we don't have a definitive roadmap on exactly how long someone should stay on aripiprazole, researchers decided to run a study to see what happens when you switch things up. They took patients with schizophrenia who had been doing great—totally stable—on different antipsychotics for at least three months, stopped those meds, and started them on Abilify Tablets at 15 mg/day instead. After watching them for up to 26 weeks, the results showed that staying on this maintenance treatment really does help prevent a relapse (you can check out the details under CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY: Clinical Studies). Basically, doctors should keep checking in regularly to figure out if continuing the maintenance dose is still necessary.

Transitioning From Other Antipsychotics

We don't actually have specific, systematic data regarding the process of switching patients with schizophrenia from different antipsychotics over to Abilify, nor do we have data on what happens when they are taken alongside other antipsychotics. Depending on the individual, some patients might handle stopping their previous medication immediately, while others will definitely need a more gradual taper. Regardless of the approach, you really want to keep that overlap period between different antipsychotics as short as possible.

Bipolar Disorder

Standard Dosage

During clinical trials, researchers started patients off at 30 mg once daily. Using the tablet version, a 30 mg/day dose proved effective. It's worth noting that about 15% of those patients ended up having their dose dropped down to 15 mg due to how well they could tolerate it. We haven't tested the safety of going above 30 mg/day in any clinical trials yet.

Dosage in special Populations Dosage

Please refer to the section for Dosage in special Populations Dosage located under DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION for Schizophrenia.

Long-term Maintenance

There isn't a definitive set of evidence to tell us exactly how long someone should stay on aripiprazole. However, for patients with Bipolar I Disorder who stayed symptomatically stable on Abilify Tablets (either 15 mg/day or 30 mg/day, starting at 30 mg/day) for at least six straight weeks—and were then randomized to either the tablets or a placebo to watch for relapses—there was a clear benefit to continuing the maintenance treatment (check out CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY: Clinical Studies for details). Generally speaking, doctors agree that sticking with pharmacological treatment after an acute manic episode is a good idea to maintain stability and prevent new episodes, even though we lack systematic data supporting aripiprazole use for these longer durations (anything beyond that 6-week mark).

Liquid Oral Solution

The oral solution can be used interchangeably with the 5-, 10-, 15-, or 20-mg tablets on a milligram-for-milligram basis. You can swap the solution for tablet doses up to a 25 mg tablet strength. For those taking 30-mg tablets, they should take 25 mg of the solution instead (see CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY: Pharmacokinetics).

LAB STUDIES IN ANIMALS

In a 26-week chronic toxicity study, aripiprazole caused retinal degeneration in albino rats at a 60 mg/kg dose, and this also occurred during a 2-year carcinogenicity study at doses of 40 and 60 mg/kg. To put that in perspective, those 40 and 60 mg/kg doses are 13 to 19 times higher than the maximum recommended human dose (MRHD) when looking at mg/m2, and roughly 7 to 14 times the human exposure based on AUC. Interestingly, looking at the retinas of albino mice and monkeys didn't show any signs of retinal degeneration. We haven't done extra studies to dig deeper into why this happened, so we honestly don't know if this finding poses a real risk to humans.

AVAILABILITY

Abilify Tablets are provided in the following strengths and packaging options.

The 5-mg Abilify tablets are blue, modified rectangles, marked on one side with "A-007" and "5".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-007-13

100-count blisters NDC 59148-007-35

The 10-mg Abilify tablets are pink, modified rectangles, marked on one side with "A-008" and "10".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-008-13

100-count blisters NDC 59148-008-35

The 15-mg Abilify tablets are yellow, round tablets, marked on one side with "A-009" and "15".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-009-13

100-count blisters NDC 59148-009-35

The 20-mg Abilify tablets are white, round tablets, marked on one side with "A-010" and "20".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-010-13

100-count blisters NDC 59148-010-35

The 30-mg Abilify tablets are pink, round tablets, marked on one side with "A-011" and "30".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-011-13

100-count blister packs NDC 59148-011-35

ABILIFY® (aripiprazole) Oral Solution (1 mg/mL) comes in child-resistant bottles—it even includes a calibrated dosing cup for accuracy. Here is how you can get ABILIFY oral solution:

150-mL bottle NDC 59148-012-15

Storage Information

Tablets

Keep at room temperature—about 77° F (25° C)—though it’s fine if it fluctuates between 59° F and 86° F (15° C to 30° C) per standard US guidelines.

Oral Solution

This needs to stay chilled in the fridge between 36° F and 46° F (2° C to 8° C). Once you crack open a bottle of ABILIFY oral solution, make sure it stays refrigerated; it'll stay good for about 6 months.

Tablets are produced by Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., Tokyo, 101-8535 Japan or Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Princeton, NJ 08543 USA

Oral Solution is produced by Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Princeton, NJ 08543 USA

Handled and sold by Otsuka America Pharmaceutical, Inc., Rockville, MD 20850 USA

Sold by Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Princeton, NJ 08543 USA

U.S. Patent Nos. 4,734,416 and 5,006,528

Bristol-Myers Squibb Company

Princeton, NJ 08543 U.S.A.

Otsuka America Pharmaceutical, Inc.

Rockville, MD 20850 U.S.A.

AP4996/04-05 1156731B4

D6-B0001-04-05 Revised April 2005

©2005 Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., Tokyo, 101-8535
Japan

try again...

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Mark Nelson Mark Nelson Active Member
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#2545 ·
Does anyone know if there are any stronger pills I can take for period cramps while I'm on Seroquel? Tylenol just isn't cutting it.
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
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#2546 ·
It seems there might have been a typo in your message, or perhaps you were trying to start a conversation about something specific? I’m all ears, though I can't quite make heads or tails of that particular word. If you were looking to discuss something else—medication, life, or just some random thought—feel free to throw it my way. I'll try my best to follow along, even if I stumble over the words a bit. kaže:
So, I was looking into Abilify, specifically those Abilify tablets from Otsuka America... just one of those deep dives that starts at 10 PM and ends with you staring at the ceiling at 2 AM. It’s funny how you can get sucked into the weeds of pharmaceutical data when you aren't even trying to. Anyway, back to the point. There's a lot to digest there. Just a lot.

Increased Mortality in Elderly Patients with Dementia-Related Psychosis
It’s a sobering reality, really... when you look at the data regarding elderly patients dealing with dementia-related psychosis and their use of atypical antipsychotics. There’s a documented increase in mortality risks here compared to those on a placebo. I was looking through some analyses of seventeen different placebo-controlled trials—most of them running for about ten weeks—and the numbers are quite stark. It turns out that patients treated with these drugs faced a death risk between 1.6 to 1.7 times higher than the placebo group. To put a more concrete figure on it, over a standard ten-week stretch, the death rate for those on the medication sat around 4.5%, while the placebo group stayed much lower, at roughly 2.6%. The causes of death weren't all the same, mind you; they were varied. But from what we can see, the majority seemed to stem from cardiovascular issues—think things like heart failure or sudden cardiac events—or perhaps infectious complications, like pneumonia. It's a lot to process. And just as a necessary reminder: Abilify is not approved for treating patients with dementia-related psychosis. Safety first, I suppose.

DESCRIPTION

So, let's talk about ABILIFY® (aripiprazole). It’s one of those psychotropic medications you see around, and it comes in both tablet form and an oral solution—useful if swallowing pills isn't exactly your favorite pastime. If you want to get really deep into the weeds with the chemistry of it all... which, granted, I tend to do more than necessary... the technical side defines it as 7-[4-[4-(2,3-dichlorophenyl)-1-piperazinyl]butoxy]-3,4-dihydrocarbostyril. Its empirical formula works out to C 23 H 27 Cl 2 N 3 O 2, giving it a molecular weight of 448.38. As for the actual chemical structure... well, it looks like this:
...

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION

Schizophrenia. It’s one of those heavy, complicated words that carries so much weight, isn't it? Just sitting there on the page, feeling... immense. I was thinking about it earlier—well, more like spiraling into it, if we're being honest—and how much people tend to misunderstand the sheer complexity of the condition. It isn't just a single thing; it’s this vast, shifting landscape of experiences. Sometimes I feel like I'm trying to map out a fog bank while standing right in the middle of it. It's exhausting, really. Trying to wrap your head around the neurobiology, the social stigma, the way it alters one's very perception of reality... it’s a lot to carry. And yet, here we are, navigating it. One day at a time, I suppose. Or one thought at a time. That might be a better way to put it.

Standard dosage... well, that’s always the question, isn't it? It varies, of course. Always does. Depends on the individual, their specific situation, all those little nuances doctors weigh. One size definitely doesn't fit all here.

So, regarding Abilify... if you're looking at the numbers, the usual starting point—or even the target dose, really—is sitting right around 10 or 15 mg per day. It’s a once-a-day thing, and you don't even have to worry about whether you've eaten or not. Quite convenient, I suppose. Now, they've done all the systematic testing, and the data shows it works within that 10 to 30 mg daily window when you're using the tablets. But here’s the kicker—and it's a bit of a funny realization—that pushing the dose beyond those initial 10 or 15 mg marks didn't actually show any extra effectiveness in the trials. So, why push it? Anyway, one shouldn't go rushing to bump up the dosage too quickly. You really need to wait at least two weeks to let things settle and reach a steady state. Patience is key, I guess. Even if it feels like a long wait.

Dosage in special Populations

You don't typically need to mess with the dosage just because of someone's age, gender, or race—nor does renal or hepatic impairment usually trigger an adjustment. For those interested in the nitty-gritty details, you can check out the section on Dosage in special Populations.

So, I was looking over the notes on dosage adjustments when you have someone on aripiprazole who also happens to be taking a CYP3A4 inhibitor. It’s a bit of a balancing act, really. If someone is taking ketoconazole alongside their aripiprazole, you actually need to cut that aripiprazole dose right down to half of what it would normally be. Just... halfway. Then, once that CYP3A4 inhibitor is finally out of the system and the combination therapy ends, you have to step things back up and increase the aripiprazole dose again. A bit of a moving target, isn't it?

So, I was looking over the notes on dosage adjustments when you're dealing with someone on aripiprazole alongside potential CYP2D6 inhibitors—you know, things like quinidine, fluoxetine, or paroxetine. It’s a bit of a balancing act, really. If they're taking those inhibitors at the same time, you basically have to scale the aripiprazole back to at least half of the standard dose. Just... cut it down significantly. Then, once that CYP2D6 inhibitor is finally out of the picture and the combination therapy ends, you’ll need to gradually bump the aripiprazole dose back up. It's a delicate dance, isn't it? One wrong step and the whole thing feels off.

So, about those dosage adjustments when you’ve got someone on a potential CYP3A4 inducers... it gets a bit tricky. If you decide to add something like carbamazepine to an existing aripiprazole regimen, you really ought to look at doubling that aripiprazole dose—we're talking moving up to 20 or 30 mg. Of course, any further tweaks to the dose should really come down to a careful clinical evaluation of how the patient is actually doing. Then, if you eventually pull the carbamazepine out of the mix, you can't just leave things where they are; you'll need to scale the aripiprazole back down to somewhere between 10 and 15 mg. Just a bit of a balancing act, really.

Maintenance therapy... it’s one of those things you think you have a handle on until you don't. You settle into a rhythm, everything feels stable, and then suddenly you're questioning the whole foundation. It's a delicate balancing act, really. One day you feel like you've finally found that sweet spot, and the next, you're wondering if the stability is actually just a plateau. It's exhausting, honestly. Just trying to stay level.

Look, we don't exactly have a definitive guidebook that tells us just how long someone should stay on aripiprazole—there isn’t a mountain of data out there to give us a hard "stop" date. It’s one of those gray areas in medicine, I suppose. However, there was this specific study involving patients with schizophrenia who had actually been doing quite well on different antipsychotics for at least three months. They switched those folks over to Abilify at a 15 mg/day dose and watched them closely for up to 26 weeks to see if they’d relapse. Turns out, sticking with that maintenance treatment actually showed a real benefit (you can dig into the details in the CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY section under Clinical Studies). At the end of the day, it really comes down to regular check-ins; you’ve got to periodically reassess the patient to decide if staying on the maintenance dose is still the right call.

Switching from Other Antipsychotics

We don't really have any systematic datasets that look specifically at what happens when you switch someone with schizophrenia from a different antipsychotic over to Abilify, nor do we have much on mixing them together. Now, for some patients, just stopping the old medication immediately might be fine—really, it’s up to the situation—but for others, a slower, more gradual taper is probably the smarter way to go. Regardless, you want to keep that window where they are taking both drugs at the same time as short as possible.

Bipolar Disorder

Standard Dosing

During the clinical trials, researchers started things off at 30 mg once a day. It turns out 30 mg/day works quite well when used in the tablet form. That said, about 15% of the folks in those studies ended up having their dose dropped down to 15 mg because of how they were handling the side effects. We haven't actually tested what happens if you go higher than 30 mg/day in these trials.

Dosage in special Populations

Check out the section on Dosage in special Populations under the Schizophrenia portion of the DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION heading.

Long-term Maintenance

Honestly, there isn't a massive mountain of evidence to tell us exactly how long a patient should stay on aripiprazole. However, we did see some interesting results with patients diagnosed with Bipolar I Disorder. These individuals stayed symptomatically stable on Abilify (either at 15 mg/day or 30 mg/day, starting at 30 mg/day) for at least six straight weeks before being randomized to either the drug or a placebo to watch for relapses. Those who stayed on the treatment showed a clear benefit (you can dig into the details in the CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY: Clinical Studies section). Generally speaking, everyone agrees that staying on meds after the initial manic phase passes is a good idea—both to keep that stability and to prevent a new episode from hitting—but we still lack the kind of organized, large-scale data needed to officially back using aripiprazole for these long-term stretches (meaning, anything past that 6-week mark).

Liquid Oral Solution

If you need to use the oral solution instead of the 5-, 10-, 15-, or 20-mg tablets, you can do a direct mg-to-mg swap. You can substitute the liquid for the tablets up to a 25 mg limit. If a patient is supposed to be on the 30-mg tablets, they should take 25 mg of the solution (check the CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY: Pharmacokinetics section for the math).

ANIMAL STUDIES

In a 26-week study looking at chronic toxicity, albino rats given 60 mg/kg developed retinal degeneration. They also saw it in a 2-year cancer study at doses of 40 and 60 mg/kg. To put that in perspective, those 40 and 60 mg/kg doses are significantly higher than what a human would take—about 13 to 19 times the max recommended human dose based on body surface area, and roughly 7 to 14 times the human exposure based on AUC. On the flip side, when they looked at the retinas of albino mice and monkeys, they didn't find any signs of retinal damage. We haven't done extra studies to figure out exactly why this happened, so frankly, we don't know if this poses a real risk to humans.

AVAILABILITY

Abilify (aripiprazole) Tablets come in various strengths and packaging options.

The 5-mg Abilify tablets are blue, shaped somewhat like a rectangle, and have "A-007" and "5" stamped on one side.

30-count bottles NDC 59148-007-13

100-count blister packs NDC 59148-007-35

The 10-mg Abilify tablets are pink, modified rectangles, stamped with "A-008" and "10".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-008-13

100-count blister packs NDC 59148-008-35

The 15-mg Abilify tablets are yellow and round, marked with "A-009" and "15".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-009-13

100-count blister packs NDC 59148-009-35

The 20-mg Abilify tablets are white and round, featuring "A-010" and "20".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-010-13

100-count blister packs NDC 59148-010-35

The 30-mg Abilify tablets are pink and round, debossed with "A-011" and "30".

30-count bottles NDC 59148-011-13

100-count blisters NDC 59148-011-35

ABILIFY (aripiprazole) Oral Solution (1 mg/mL) comes in child-resistant bottles and includes a calibrated dosing cup for oral use. Here is how you can get ABILIFY oral solution:

150-mL bottle NDC 59148-012-15

Storage

Tablets

Keep at 77° F (25° C); temporary shifts between 59° F and 86° F (15° C to 30° C) are okay [refer to USP Controlled Room Temperature guidelines].

Oral Solution

Keep refrigerated between 36° F and 46° F (2° C to 8° C). Once you open an ABILIFY oral solution bottle, stick it in the fridge; it’ll stay good for up to 6 months.

Tablets produced by Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., Tokyo, 101-8535 Japan or Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Princeton, NJ 08543 USA

Oral Solution produced by Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Princeton, NJ 08543 USA

Distributed and marketed by Otsuka America Pharmaceutical, Inc., Rockville, MD 20850 USA

Marketed by Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Princeton, NJ 08543 USA

U.S. Patent Nos. 4,734,416 and 5,006,528

Bristol-Myers Squibb Company

Princeton, NJ 08543 U.S.A.

Otsuka America Pharmaceutical, Inc.

Rockville, MD 20850 U.S.A.

AP4996/04-05 1156731B4

D6-B0001-04-05 Revised April 2005

©2005 Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., Tokyo, 101-8535
Japan

let me try that again...

http://www.theodora.com/drugs/abilif...a_america.html

Thanks for the info, really. But look, if I managed to get through Zyprexa without feeling like a total wreck, I should be fine with Abilify too. It’s actually considered the first third-generation atypical antipsychotic, and word is it's supposed to have the fewest side effects out of the whole bunch. Plus, it's one of those rare ones the FDA has cleared as an add-on treatment for resistant depression when the standard antidepressants just aren't cutting it. Anyway, if you're looking to dive deeper into the details on Abilify, just check out the official site here: Abilify
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
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#2547 ·
Mark Nelson said:Does anyone know if there are any stronger pills I can take for period cramps while I'm on Seroquel? Tylenol just isn't cutting it.

From what I gather, analgesics and antipsychotics don't really have much of an interaction, so you could probably try a different painkiller. Though, honestly, I'm not the expert here—it’s always best to run things by your doctor first. Just as a suggestion, though, maybe look into Nalgesin or even something like Motrin. There's a massive mountain of painkillers out there; you just have to find the one that actually works for you, which is something your physician can help navigate.
Mark Nelson Mark Nelson Active Member
146 messages
joined Jul 2011
#2548 ·
Timothy Wood38 said:From what I gather, analgesics and antipsychotics don't really have much of an interaction, so you could probably try a different painkiller. Though, honestly, I'm not the expert here—it’s always best to run things by your doctor first. Just as a suggestion, though, maybe look into Nalgesin or even something like Motrin. There's a massive mountain of painkillers out there; you just have to find the one that actually works for you, which is something your physician can help navigate.

Thanks. 🙂 I’ll definitely run it by my doctor, or at least talk to a pharmacist, since they're basically the experts.
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
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#2549 ·
So, what’s the consensus here... can you actually mix Lorazepam and Diazepam? Personally, I take 5 mg of Lorazepam along with 30 mg of Diazepam and, honestly, I feel absolutely nothing. Not even a hint of a sedative effect. It's just... zero. Also, does anyone happen to know anything about Fluzepam?

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fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#2550 ·
Lorazepam—

Lorazepam belongs to the benzodiazepine class and features a medium-speed onset. It works as an anxiolytic, an anticonvulsant, and provides mild muscle relaxation and sedation.

Regarding how it interacts with specific receptors, benzodiazepines boost the effects of GABA and other inhibitory neurotransmitters. These effects are felt in the limbic and cortical structures, the brainstem, the cerebellum, and the spinal cord. Interestingly, its ability to ease anxiety is distinct from its general depressant effect on the central nervous system.

Once taken orally, about 95% of the medication is absorbed. If you take it sublingually, it hits much faster. You’ll typically reach peak plasma concentrations within 2 to 3 hours. Around 90% of the drug binds to plasma proteins, and it can cross the placental barrier. The half-life generally falls between 10 and 20 hours. Since Lorazepam is metabolized in the liver into inactive metabolites, it's often the preferred choice for elderly patients or those dealing with liver issues because the inactivation process is so straightforward without creating intermediate products. It is almost entirely excreted through the kidneys.

Therapeutic Uses

Lorazepam is indicated for various conditions where anxiety plays a major role:

- Anxiety, irritability, and tension—especially in older Americans
- Anxiety associated with depression or schizophrenia
- Anxiety acting as a complicating factor in organic diseases
- Emotionally conditioned organic disorders or sleep disturbances
- Tension headaches
- Psychoneuroses
- Sedation prior to diagnostic procedures or surgery
- Acute alcohol withdrawal syndrome
Common Dosage Patterns

Anxiety: 2-3 x 1 mg
Insomnia: 1 to 2 mg in the evening
before bed

Psychiatric
adjustments: 3 to 7.5 mg/day
divided into
3 - 4 doses
http://www.moravek.net/ovisnosti/lorsilan.htm

Diazepam—

COMPOSITION:
Diazepam is a broad-spectrum benzodiazepine anxiolytic. It effectively tackles anxiety and tension while regulating autonomic functions and providing hypnotic, sedative, muscle-relaxant, and anticonvulsant effects. In clinical practice, its most significant impact is as an anxiolytic. Its sedative qualities come from reducing the CNS's reactivity to stimulation. As for the hypnotic effect, Diazepam allows for quick and easy sleep onset—sleep that feels quite natural and doesn't seem to depress vital functions too heavily during rest. The muscle-relaxing effect is a result of its direct action on muscle function, specifically via interneuronal transmission within the muscular system.

MECHANISM OF ACTION
The exact mechanism behind Diazepam isn't fully understood. Essentially, it stimulates the inhibitory activity of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), which is the primary inhibitory neurotransmitter in the CNS. Diazepam increases both the affinity and the binding range of GABA for its specific receptor, increasing the frequency at which chloride channels open. It also binds to GABA-modulin, a protein with a high affinity for GABA receptors. By binding to GABA-modulin, Diazepam enhances the binding of GABA to the receptors, thereby stimulating the inhibitory activity of the GABA system. Furthermore, Diazepam reduces and eliminates the stress and stimulation that would otherwise ramp up noradrenergic or serotonergic activity, instead boosting the inhibitory power of GABA and other inhibitory neurotransmitters. Relaxation of skeletal muscles is primarily achieved by inhibiting spinal monosynaptic and polysynaptic afferent pathways or by blocking excitatory synaptic transmission.

PHARMACOKINETICS
Diazepam is well-absorbed following oral administration. It reaches maximum plasma concentration within 1 to 2 hours. It undergoes metabolism in the liver through microsomal oxidation, resulting in several active metabolites. With repeated dosing, there is a significant accumulation of both Diazepam and these active metabolites. Diazepam is the most lipophilic of all benzodiazepines and distributes into tissues very rapidly.Out of all the benzodiazepines, Diazepam definitely works the fastest—though you have to keep in mind that it does cross the placenta. It's excreted through urine—just a heads-up there. The half-life usually clocks in somewhere between 26 and 96 hours.

Drug Interactions:

Antacids... they might delay the effect, but they definitely don't reduce the impact of Diazepam.
Alcohol—honestly, it’s such a complicated subject when you start looking at how it interacts with everything else. I was chatting with a buddy about it the other day, and it really makes you think about moderation.
Watch out for those CNS depressants—they can really take a toll on you, potentially leading to everything from deep depression to coma or even respiratory failure.
Theophylline... — basically acts to counteract those sedative effects you get from Diazepam.
I was just reading up on Cimetidine—it’s one of those old-school medications that really makes you think about how much our understanding of drug interactions has evolved over the years. It's fascinating, really!
Disulfiram—it’s a heavy hitter when it comes to managing alcohol use, though the side effects can be quite intense if you aren't careful.
The relationship between estrogen and oral contraceptives—it's a complex topic, really—but one that definitely warrants a closer look.
Erythromycin—it’s one of those antibiotics that really stays on your mind. I remember back when I was working a summer job in Chicago, dealing with a nasty infection, and this was the go-to. It gets the job done, though you definitely have to watch out for how it interacts with other meds.
I've noticed that taking Isoniazid can actually lead to an increase in plasma concentrations of Diazepam—it's definitely something to keep an eye on.
You really shouldn't be mixing Diazepam with other medications in the same syringe or infusion bottle—it's just not a good idea.

Patient Advice
Please don't go exceeding your prescribed dosage—it’s really important not to ramp things up on your own without checking with your doctor first. Also, you shouldn't suddenly stop long-term therapy out of nowhere; that can be risky. Just a heads-up, using benzodiazepines continuously for more than ten days can lead to physical dependency.
Just a heads-up—you absolutely cannot drink alcohol while you're on Diazepam. Also, please don't start taking any other medications without checking in with your doctor or pharmacist first; drug interactions can be a real headache. You shouldn't be driving a car or operating any heavy machinery while taking this, either. Make sure to keep it in its original packaging in a cool, dry spot away from direct light—and obviously, keep it far out of reach of children.

Diazepam is a medication used to manage various conditions, including anxiety disorders and muscle spasms. It belongs to a class of drugs known as benzodiazepines, which work by enhancing the effects of GABA—a neurotransmitter that helps calm down the central nervous system. Because it can be quite potent, doctors usually prescribe it carefully to ensure it provides relief without causing excessive drowsiness. It’s important to follow the prescribed dosage strictly, as improper use can lead to dependency or significant side effects. Always talk to your healthcare provider about how this might interact with other medications you're taking.
Arthur Vaughn2 Arthur Vaughn2 Member
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#2551 ·
I actually have a bit of a technical question. What’s the absolute ceiling on milligrams of benzodiazepines (Alprazolam) I can take at once to get maximum sedation and finally pass out? I tried 3 mg, but it didn't really do the trick...
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#2552 ·
Arthur Vaughn2 said:I actually have a bit of a technical question. What’s the absolute ceiling on milligrams of benzodiazepines (Alprazolam) I can take at once to get maximum sedation and finally pass out? I tried 3 mg, but it didn't really do the trick...

And it won't.

Benzodiazepines don't actually work any more powerfully just because you increase the dose. However, if you were to combine two different benzodiazepines, then you would truly feel the effect.

But please, one should absolutely not play around with this!!!

I have personally taken 15mg of one and 10mg of Oxazepam at the exact same time on a few occasions. It did nothing to shake me; I remained so incredibly calm all day that even when someone treated me like a mindless toddler, I couldn't be bothered to feel upset.

But now, since most of these aren't available over the counter anymore, it has become much harder to combine two benzodiazepines simultaneously.

Still, there is always a way around such restrictions. Everything can be managed with a little bit of luck and patience. If you are curious about how to navigate this, please send me a private message; if I were to write the details here publicly, I fear I would receive a ban from which I might never recover, and that is something I certainly wish to avoid.
Anthony Lopez8 Anthony Lopez8 Active Member
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#2553 ·
Arthur Vaughn2 said:I actually have a bit of a technical question. What’s the absolute ceiling on milligrams of benzodiazepines (Alprazolam) I can take at once to get maximum sedation and finally pass out? I tried 3 mg, but it didn't really do the trick...

Three milligrams would knock an average person without a developed tolerance to benzodiazepines into a full-day coma. 😁 If you haven't been taking them for years, isn't it somewhat unusual that such a dose fails to provide any relief?
The maximum recommended daily dosage is typically around 5-6 mg. One really shouldn't venture beyond that limit.
Besides, if your primary issue is insomnia, you should keep in mind that there are specific sleep aids available—which Alprazolam is not designed to be.
Arthur Vaughn2 Arthur Vaughn2 Member
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#2554 ·
Anthony Lopez8 said:Three milligrams would knock an average person without a developed tolerance to benzodiazepines into a full-day coma. 😁 If you haven't been taking them for years, isn't it somewhat unusual that such a dose fails to provide any relief?
The maximum recommended daily dosage is typically around 5-6 mg. One really shouldn't venture beyond that limit.
Besides, if your primary issue is insomnia, you should keep in mind that there are specific sleep aids available—which Alprazolam is not designed to be.

It's not even really about insomnia; I sleep fine at night. It's just that nothing seems to actually calm me down during the day... not even those 3 mg.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#2555 ·
Arthur Vaughn2 said:It's not even really about insomnia; I sleep fine at night. It's just that nothing seems to actually calm me down during the day... not even those 3 mg.

It is primarily used to treat moderate to severe anxiety disorders (e.g., social anxiety disorder) and panic attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam

What are you taking, Xanax?

Are you seeing a shrink? They're the only ones qualified to figure out the right meds and therapy for you... don't expect people on a forum to step up and take on that kind of responsibility or give you medical advice!!!🙂

Just found your post:

Go talk to your psychiatrist about adjusting or changing your prescription! You really don't have any other choice—messing around with brain chemistry on your own is dangerous!
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#2556 ·
Nicole Barrett76 said:And it won't.

Benzodiazepines don't actually work any more powerfully just because you increase the dose. However, if you were to combine two different benzodiazepines, then you would truly feel the effect.

But please, one should absolutely not play around with this!!!

I have personally taken 15mg of one and 10mg of Oxazepam at the exact same time on a few occasions. It did nothing to shake me; I remained so incredibly calm all day that even when someone treated me like a mindless toddler, I couldn't be bothered to feel upset.

But now, since most of these aren't available over the counter anymore, it has become much harder to combine two benzodiazepines simultaneously.

Still, there is always a way around such restrictions. Everything can be managed with a little bit of luck and patience. If you are curious about how to navigate this, please send me a private message; if I were to write the details here publicly, I fear I would receive a ban from which I might never recover, and that is something I certainly wish to avoid.

Look, your intentions are good—you really want to help her—but please, don't do this! God forbid something actually happens to her; you know it would be an absolute disaster, and that's definitely not something you want or should risk!🤦🙂🙂🙂
urbanskipper4 urbanskipper4 Active Member
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#2557 ·
I’ve been on Seroquel since June. I had two regular cycles, but then this third month just... nothing. Not pregnant, though.
The side effects list on the medication guide doesn't even mention missing a period. It's weird.
I'm also still taking Prozac and Anafranil.
I have a feeling it's the Seroquel, but honestly, I can't just quit it. It's actually kept me somewhat balanced, which is all I can say for it.🤷
Arthur Vaughn2 Arthur Vaughn2 Member
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#2558 ·
fadedbear92 said:It is primarily used to treat moderate to severe anxiety disorders (e.g., social anxiety disorder) and panic attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam

What are you taking, Xanax?

Are you seeing a shrink? They're the only ones qualified to figure out the right meds and therapy for you... don't expect people on a forum to step up and take on that kind of responsibility or give you medical advice!!!🙂

Just found your post:

Go talk to your psychiatrist about adjusting or changing your prescription! You really don't have any other choice—messing around with brain chemistry on your own is dangerous!

I'm taking Misar SR, the extended-release version. My Psihićka told me it was the best move, even if she completely ignores my whining that it isn't working...
Anthony Lopez8 Anthony Lopez8 Active Member
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#2559 ·
Arthur Vaughn2 said:I'm taking Misar SR, the extended-release version. My Psihićka told me it was the best move, even if she completely ignores my whining that it isn't working...

Ahaa. So that explains why those 3 mg didn't knock you out instantly. 😁 With the SR version, the release is much more gradual, isn't it?
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#2560 ·
Arthur Vaughn2 said:I'm taking Misar SR, the extended-release version. My Psihićka told me it was the best move, even if she completely ignores my whining that it isn't working...

Well, then you’ll just have to switch doctors... I mean, why stick with a medication that isn't working when there are endless other options out there?😲

I was taking Xanax extended-release along with a max dose of Adderall, and honestly, that combo did the trick for me... so there's always a way through this... good luck!

I can't speak for Misar SR, but for me, Xanax SR started kicking in after hours even at just 1 mg...

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