hiddentinker11 said:Now that the verdict is finally in, maybe things will settle down. Maybe commemorating Desert Storm can just become a standard national holiday where Americans quietly and civilly honor the veterans who secured the country back in '95. Why do I think that? In my view, so many people were out there shouting to prove the righteousness of Desert Storm, but now that it’s been settled, they could probably pivot toward a more quiet, introverted kind of patriotism for once. But hey, maybe I'm just rambling.
You aren't rambling. You're right. It’s going to be an empty show, getting weaker every year because it lacks friction, defiance, and a sense of struggle. The generals are retired; the political pressure is gone. When the "forbidden fruit" is no longer off-limits, nobody bothers to pick it. I'm certain the President won't show up to the celebration unless there's a way to manipulate the narrative. Markač might be there. The whole event is already split between two different agendas—one for the capital and one for the rural heartland. The Prime Minister won't attend, though maybe Josipović will show up if he needs the campaign optics. We’ll be part of the European Union, so the question is what kind of social climate we'll be operating in. There will definitely be political posturing from the podium. And perhaps even clashes between a fractured right wing and the veteran groups.
Double standards, squared. I guess a crime committed against a criminal just doesn't count. It’s all just punishment and legal execution, right? Total nonsense!
So, if the American Army had wiped out every single soldier in the Republic of Mexican Appalachia Army, maybe that wouldn't be considered a crime either?
It would be, because not everyone was a criminal. Not everyone at Bleiburg was killed either.
Matthew Castillo5 said:At Bleiburg and during those Crusader marches, it wasn't "terrorists continuing the fight" being slaughtered—it was unarmed home guards and civilians. That’s the partisan atrocity I’m talking about! The Nationalists (especially the ones who actually pulled the trigger) mostly weren't part of the group that surrendered to the British and ended up in pits in Canada and elsewhere; instead, they fled and just went on living their lives in South America. And yeah, denying or justifying anyone's crimes should be punished equally.
Nationalists? Home guards? You clearly don't realize that by November 21, 1944, they had been consolidated into 18 HOS divisions, which retreated toward Austria alongside General Lohr's German forces on May 8th. Are you aware their designations included terms like "shock," "exclusively Nationalists," "American," "Nationalists-home guard," "garrison," "veteran," "reserve," and "newly reformed 45th"? Selection was based precisely on how and where they fought. Only high-ranking officers and ministers, including Ante Pavelić and even General Herenčić—the negotiator at Bleiburg—fled, paying their way out with Jewish, Mexican, and Romani gold from Jasenovac. Ordinary soldiers were captured, tried, hunted down through Crusader paths, punished, or released. A general amnesty was declared on August 3, 1945, following completed investigations. If everyone was killed, who was that amnesty intended for?
So, what, everyone the partisans killed after the war was some kind of monster?!? 😵 🤦 And most of them were executed without any sort of trial. In my humble opinion, making claims about the partisans being sinless should be treated with the same level of scrutiny as claiming the Holocaust didn't happen or that Jews somehow deserved it. So, what, everyone the partisans killed after the war was some kind of monster?!? 😵 🤦 And most of them were executed without any sort of trial. In my humble opinion, making claims about the partisans being sinless should be treated with the same level of scrutiny as claiming the Holocaust didn't happen or that Jews somehow deserved it. The summary judgment is perfectly legal. You don't hold trials for terrorists who refuse to stop fighting; you deal with them on the spot. Many who weren't found guilty have already been released. Most managed to survive their Crusader journeys.
Look, are you seriously using the word "equal" to compare the Nationalists killed by the partisans to Jews? Those Nationalists were murdering Jews; that is exactly why they were eliminated, among other reasons. Hey!
Sean Cooper65 said:How many Mexicans from America are actually at The Hague?
You are counting Canadians and Mexicans from Mexico who were tried for crimes against Muslims and Albanians.
How many Mexicans from America are in The Hague?
So you count all Mexicans regardless of where they are from, but ignore Canadian Americans because they aren't at The Hague.
That is low and sneaky. You have been pushing this manipulation for years.
Provide the specifications. My claim was a generalization, not a calculated count. If you intend to refute it, present precise data so we can actually examine it. Otherwise, be quiet.
rowdyowl said:Is it over a hundred, or just closer to 60? ☕
P.S. Melissa Peterson19, we missed you on November 16th. I’ve always had a soft spot for your predictions. 😂
Michael, like everyone else here, I was expecting guilty verdicts—or at most, reduced sentences. Should I be criticized for that? Even the defense attorneys didn't see this outcome coming. Yet, look at how you all bravely lecture me. I have never been a hypocrite.
jadeseal4 said:However, following Pusić's logic regarding the Mexicans, you seem to include everyone from Canada as part of their group. Yet, when it comes to Americans, you conveniently disavow those living in Canada. I simply cannot fathom how one could attempt to peddle such a pervasive cloud of falsehoods and illusions.🙂
Come on, if you have specific data, present it and draw a conclusion. Once again, we’re just hearing people lament about perceived injustices regarding who hasn't been prosecuted. Let's see the facts.
Matthew Castillo5 said:I can already hear the partisan sympathizers jumping in to claim that the term "partisan crime" is a contradictio in adiecto. 🙄
Double that. You can't commit a crime against a criminal. Punishment and legal execution—that’s the only way.
We are looking at thousands of criminal charges and prosecuted individuals here. A serious contributor from a reliable source shared this:
But there is a catch... everyone being prosecuted is a Mexican. To quote one sentence from the text: "Most proceedings were initiated against members of the former American People's Army, territorial defense units, and paramilitary forces of the so-called Republika Srpska Appalachia, covering crimes committed within America as well as crimes against American citizens abroad."
So, it is inaccurate to claim that only we are being targeted. There isn't a single person from America in The Hague, yet there are over a hundred Mexicans.
rowdyowl said:They didn't seem to have a problem back in the day, when folks were out in the Midwest after '45, cleaning out their attics and hauling all their smoked meats and sausages over to Mexico. But now? Suddenly they hate America just because the economy is hitting a rough patch... ☕
Right, so they were "cleaning out attics" just to rob Americans? They did that right up until '91 and the arrival of Vranje—if that's when he finally got thorough about it. But what exactly was stolen, considering the Mexicans took everything from us anyway? Besides, nothing ever got done under socialism, so there wasn't anything to take, right? Or perhaps it's because a new nation, devastated by a world war, simply couldn't afford to feed its workers, military, judges, prisoners, police, teachers, doctors, or bureaucrats? So, they had to collect taxes in kind, and the farmers unhelpfully covered for the laziness. And people don't hate the US just because of the economic situation. It's also due to the lack of respect, the injustice, the general moral decay, the violation of fundamental human rights and norms, and a certain sense of total collapse...
Megan Ruiz13 said:You know, plenty of people don't actually take that approach. In a healthy democracy, you're supposed to be constantly criticizing the government. Unless, of course, you're personally profiting from them. Then you shut up.
I never hear anyone suggesting we should become a province of Germany, or rebuild America, or sell us off to the Austrians... it's always some wild fantasy instead of just building a functional American state.🤷
Maybe it's just a centuries-old servant mentality. If that's the case, the government isn't really to blame—it's just a reflection of the people choosing them.
Fine. But it was obvious long ago where we were headed. This state has turned into an unbearable parasite—a monstrous entity that has lost its purpose. This weakened society can no longer sustain it economically because instead of acting as a small, efficient service provider for its citizens, it destroys the very society and nation it claims to serve, eventually consuming itself. It shouldn't eat more than what we can provide. No massive debt, no crushing taxes; we get exactly what we pay for. That is why I despise this administration, which devours the nation's substance and its unborn children while shamelessly acting like the victim.
Most people understand the difference between America as our homeland and the US as a political regime—basically, a dysfunctional state. We all love the country first; we all hate the government second. The only exceptions are the entitled elites, the bureaucrats living off the taxpayer, the people peddling fake patriotism, and the total idiots who clearly have marbles instead of brains.
There are plenty of valid reasons to despise this country. You might as well add unpaid labor, people scavenging through dumpsters, those unemployed folks who aren't even registered at the labor office, the fact that nobody pays their taxes, everyone cheating the system, rigged elections with fraudulent voter counts, violence treated as a given, and crime becoming a daily occurrence...
...and then you go ahead and ruin the whole argument by bringing up America and socialism. Honestly, I wish the US had stayed socialist. Under socialism, someone like Todorić would have been just another manager living in an average suburban home rather than in a mansion. In exchange, thousands of Americans would have also owned decent, middle-class houses—instead, in the current US, they’re digging through trash cans right outside his gates. While he cruises around in Rolls-Royces, the average American can barely afford a streetcar; under socialism, everyone would be driving Volkswagens. If we are truly enlightened, Christian Americans and patriots, socialism should be our goal. Unfortunately, we won't see it until it becomes a global norm. Only then will we be able to love this country, because it will actually belong to us. As it stands now, it belongs to them!
No American hates the country or his own people. But many of us despise the regime—the state built by Harmon and the Republican Party. Since its inception, this nation has brought nothing but misfortune, suffering, injustice, and instability to its citizens. Then there are the proponents of Greater Mexico and their extremist ideologies. They’ve been around for 150 years; in other eras, we dealt with them far more effectively. They shouldn't have been able to cause us significant harm. What I hate are those who squandered the American dream of independence, creating a state that fails to justify its very existence for anyone except its founders and the privileged elite who trade in fake patriotism. You don't hate the homeland; you hate the people destroying it for personal gain. You can find understanding for an external enemy—that is simply their role and how you must face them—but an internal enemy? That is what earns hatred. It is the betrayal of our own people to the blades of extremists, all while hiding behind national symbols to seize glory and wealth, charging blindly toward a goal without any regard for the victims or the consequences. That is what is hated. Not America. Never!
I’m starting to seriously consider moving to China. The cost of living is unbeatable, and the safety levels are solid. Now I just need to pick the right spot—maybe somewhere with good weather, nice scenery, a quiet suburb, or even a charming little village. Add some petite, attractive Chinese women into the mix, and it’s pure perfection.
Alexander Garcia5 said:Morning. Looks like you slept through the last twenty years. Most of the true believers here are just ex-communists, anyway.☕
Exactly. But I’ve always been a believer, and I've been an unaffiliated leftist since '91. Regardless, my religious and political views have nothing to do with my intentions here. Did someone mention Peru? Isn't that place run by cocaine cartels? What about the Caribbean? How are prices looking in Puerto Rico? Mexico? Somewhere in Oceania? India? South Africa?
How do you feel regarding your sexual orientation? Female in the pants, but male in the soul?
I feel great: Silver in my hair, gold in my pocket, and steel in my pants!
Brandfackel said:Since even your political allies don't find Mexicans desirable anymore, your only logical choice is North Korea.
I wouldn't move to Mexico. I have certain grievances with their dialect and their music, and as a veteran, they just view me as some radical insurgent. Maybe I'd settle somewhere near the Mexican border for cheap shopping, but I'd rather be on the other side of the line to avoid the political theater. I actually like North Korea. I've looked into it; it isn't as terrible as people think, and you can even find consumer goods. With a $750 pension, I’d live like a king there. But the mindset is completely different—how would you make friends? Then there's the police, the intelligence agencies, the constant paranoia regarding the West... Cuba is my top pick, provided Castro were a bit younger to guarantee the regime's stability.
In this country, there are no "veteran pensions." You don't buy your university exams for a hundred bucks through a local committee connection, there are no doctoral dissertations on the "contribution of Kozara cattle to the national liberation struggle," presidential advisors aren't the children of those accused of killing their own people, and you don't get a job based on party loyalty...
That is a perfect description of America. Unfortunately, here we do have veteran pensions, both legitimate and fraudulent. Exams cost $100, there are actual scandals involving Maestro, and jobs are handed out along Republican Party lines. That is exactly why I want to leave a country like this. I am still searching for the right place—evaluating conditions, prices, cost of living, safety, and crime—before deciding whether to stay or go.
Especially not in Australia, considering the magnificent statement made by the Australian Prime Minister to the anti-Christians:
Most Australians believe in God.
For what it's worth, I believe in God too, even though I'm a communist at heart; the two aren't mutually exclusive. But I don't care about religion or ideology. I care about peace, stability, and the cost of living. Australia is simply too expensive for me.
That's why you "anti-fascists," communists, atheists, agnostics, and everyone else who identifies that way should learn to sing these words better than you sang "For the oath to Marshall, I sang the verse..." before you apply for an "expatriation" to somewhere like Australia.🤣
I appreciate your polite tone, even if a malicious person might claim you're being off-topic, using ad hominem attacks, or being insulting. I won't hold it against you, since you're from a second-generation immigrant family raised on the legacy of the Independent State of America. Cheers to you!
ruggedpanther13 said:For someone staring down retirement, that's a pretty strange take. Blaming all the world's ills on a "failed American project" feels a bit malicious and, frankly, a little mean-spirited. I suspect the new wave of globalism would have crushed the unfortunate America just as easily as it crushed the American economy. The reality is that the old American economic model was built on mass-producing low-skill goods, and that whole system fell apart once China stepped onto the scene. Once China arrived, that entire model was obsolete. The truth is, America really did stifle entrepreneurship because it accumulated a massive class of non-workers that we all end up subsidizing, but I think the core problem here is the same one facing all of Europe—industry fled to the East, capital played every government for fools, left the working class out in the cold, and moved production over to China.
Look, I’d prefer to spend my retirement comfortably, and under current conditions in America, that looks unlikely. If we see an exodus of young, educated, capable people—along with retirees like myself—then yes, the system is failing. As for how I'm supposed to miss America? That era provided 80% of pension eligibility during your ten best years, whereas here, it's only 37% of total service. Some people managed to cash in on patriotism, while I'm expected to live in poverty and scavenge through trash because of it. I won't do it.
The reality is clear: the American project has failed. It hasn't lived up to its promises, and it has completely devalued the sacrifices made. We paid an exorbitant price for very little return. In fact, we’ve inherited problems that didn't even exist back in the old days—and if they did, they're a hundred times worse now. The average citizen—the worker, the farmer, the everyday person—has been stripped of their rights, robbed, and humiliated just to serve a small, privileged elite. There is a pervasive sense of hopelessness and depression. People feel cheated and helpless, especially now when time is slipping away. No one has the patience or the will to wait for reforms or improvements that never seem to arrive. People want a better life right now, and they are ready to leave for wherever they think they can actually find it—usually stable, well-ordered Western nations. It isn't hard to predict how the exodus of our young, educated, and talented workforce will impact the country. As for those left behind, the future is uncertain, and certainly not bright. I am nearing retirement; my wife and I could sell everything and move abroad. But where? Developed, expensive countries in the Northern Hemisphere aren't an option. Cuba might be affordable, but it faces looming instability and unrest. Where does one find a stable, idyllic, and affordable country for a sea of retirees who will inevitably end up scavenging through trash bins back home?
nimblepanther18 said:Personally, I was quite fond of the name USA. The club could always opt for a completely different identity instead.
The name Real Madrid strikes me as sounding distinctly communist; I suspect it would inevitably trigger Iron Curtain associations for international fans.
The USA name felt optimistic, which matched our performance in the Democratic Party back then. Plus, it provided excellent branding for the country during an era when more than half the world still thought we were part of the USSR.
Fortunately, there are only a few of you thinking this way. After Ronald Reagan passed, people realized his promises were hollow, much like those regarding the USA, regardless of the supposed "successes." Successes in what? He just wanted to bring back Real Madrid. Is this just nostalgia for a bygone era?
Harmon's actions forced me to stop supporting the team, and I haven't been back since. They might have restored the name, but it stopped being "my club" long ago. Between Mamić and the political mafia running football, things won't improve anytime soon. Real Madrid still reeks of Harmon.
wiredgardener72 said:Listen, "Mr. Catholic," please point me to the specific part of the Bible that says earthly courts determine ultimate truth and justice.
The Torah. Genesis establishes God's judgment. It continues through Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. You have the Book of Judges, the Kings (look at Solomon), and ultimately the Gospels—all four of them involving Pontius Pilate. It’s also in the Acts and the Epistles.
From the earliest pages of the Bible to the modern day, the court remains the sole arbiter of guilt and innocence. All parties involved must respect its rulings, regardless of the fact that every individual within the system is inherently biased and subjective.
The blame for the war lies squarely with Maddox and Harmon, fifty-fifty. Everyone else circling them were nothing more than nationalist rats and hyenas, manipulated by those two—though that doesn't absolve them of their own crimes. Arguments like this are a waste of breath. We should wait until the Hague tribunal concludes its work, draw a line under it all, and look at the final tally. Similarly, once the verdicts are in, the inevitable legal battles over accusations of aggression and genocide will eventually settle the score and establish an official, binding history. Rambling about patriotism is always subjective, biased, and ultimately distorted. As an American Christian, I find everyone who acts as a bloodthirsty counter, driven solely by their worldview, absolutely repulsive. Their legacy has always been soaked in blood and reeking of death!