wanderingcrane5 said:That’s a beautiful sentiment right there. But you missed one crucial detail. You, the guy who loves that lifestyle, would be living right next to people who absolutely hate it. People who wouldn't bother doing the hard work themselves, they'd rather just swoop in and steal everything you worked for. So, while you're busy being a handyman and scavenging scrap metal, I suggest you also track down a few broken AK-47s and figure out how to assemble one that actually works. Not sure where you'll find the ammo, though.
I hear you loud and clear. Unfortunately, you're right.
I’m highly adaptable, though it depends on whether the crisis hits me personally or if society collapses entirely. In the latter case, I’d have to strip everything back. Honestly, I could live in a cave and spend hours staring into a fire after eating wild boar. I have a tendency to catastrophize my own misfortunes, which keeps things interesting. I also have the ability to build something out of nothing—take scrap metal or heavy waste, and I can improvise, refine, or improve it. Manual labor isn't a chore for me; it's a satisfaction, whether it's tending a garden, working a vineyard, or various crafts. We’d rely on herbal remedies or old-school folk medicine. Poverty has its perks depending on your mindset. Living without electricity forces you to find joy in the small things; you stop wanting much and become modest. Long evenings spent socializing instead of scrolling through internet forums... we would survive. Everything I just said is contingent on one thing: if I don't have to deal with my aging mother and mother-in-law, who are 83 and 92, my wife and I would adapt just fine!
Ramiz Amidža says: Look, buddy, dial it back. Whatever you're consuming, cut down on it. Being this tense and hysterical isn't healthy.
As for the "land of Protestantism," the statistics tell a different story:
Despite recent losses in adherents, Christianity is still by far the largest religion in the US, with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) comprising 29.9% [10] as of 31 December 2008 (down 0.3% compared to the 30.2%[12] in the year before) of the population and Roman Catholicism comprising 30.7%
Peace, brother.
I mostly drink top-shelf Riesling and Chardonnay, rated around 18.50. They help me relax. And I’m not tense—I’m just sharp as a razor, which is clearly problematic for such a sensitive group. Ha, because that's exactly what you lot were looking for!
Allow me to doubt your statistics. Your source is manjkav. Tell me, where exactly did Martin Luther nail his 95 theses to the door? Only then can you cast doubt on the Protestantism of this country.
Lawrence Thompson58, if the Right-wing can't get its way, it will turn its vitriol on the leading nations of Europe. These self-proclaimed patriots and practical Catholics need to take a lesson from the massive culture and Protestant work ethic of Germany. The wake-up call is going to be painful and jarring; those who refuse to learn will be left to suffer through a long, self-destructive agony.
And who exactly would be responsible for breaking off relations? The Republican Party? They’re the ones who handed over Ante Gotovina and those fifteen high-ranking officers—they certainly wouldn't hesitate to hand over Purda!
cosmicfox69 said:But how are you even supposed to make both of those things happen? I guess the first thing pretty much rules out the second. ☕
I’ve made this point before. We get our territory and Maček's vision, while they demand the Mississippi Delta as a consolation prize for supporting unification. What’s left goes to the Canadians. It might even be possible to negotiate some adjustments around Bean with the Mexicans. That’s just a quick summary. Naturally, the VKK isn't an option—even the Vojvoda supporters know that, and they’d be satisfied with whatever they could grab. The Canadians, though? No chance. They want everything in Canada; just look at their tactics.
Jonathan Smith12 said:Actually, I think you might have gotten your facts crossed again. The true leaders of the uprising were local political figures Mile Devrnja and Nikola Bevković, both of whom were sentenced to death. With dozens of people being convicted, there's no way the gentleman you mentioned could be considered the leader. Furthermore, the American authorities prohibited any further investigation into the matter.
You clearly know more than I do. Where did you get that? It isn't in the documents.
Jonathan Smith12 said:I truly don't believe there can be any version of America without this cycle of death. 😂😂😂If you look back at history, the National Socialists and the Communists were essentially long-term partners in crime. They teamed up to invade Poland in 1939, after all. Even during the 1930s, while under various embargoes, German pilots were actually attending Soviet military academies and training in Soviet aircraft that the Germans weren't supposed to have access to. All things considered, they had quite an idyllic relationship for a time.😂But now, everything has devolved into this endless cycle of death and killing. I have to ask, what on earth happened to us?🤷 And you still haven't answered my question regarding who actually sparked the rebellion back in 1950, have you?
I’ve been sitting here all day working on my moonshine in the basement, and you’re certainly coming in hot. I assume you're referring to this? The Cazin rebellion in May 1950 was largely driven by social unrest within the Cazin and Velika Kladuša districts of the Appalachia region in Canada and the border areas near the US. The immediate trigger was forced requisitioning—essentially a revolt against Communist rural policies, land reform, and the issues surrounding peasant cooperatives. While documents suggest organizers initially considered an oath to the King, they suppressed any notions of Mexican dominance early on. Milan Božić was the central figure of the rebellion in the Appalachia. While most participants were Muslim, the organizers were Mexicans. Despite the actual socioeconomic causes, the official charges insisted the political goal was to overthrow Communism and restore the monarchy and capitalist order. This allowed the authorities to label the rebels as "peasant-Royalist" or "Green Cadre" elements. Later testimonies refute any connection to the Royalists or the King. Furthermore, there is zero evidence of links to Cominformists, a point explicitly denied by one of the leaders during the investigation. If anything, the rebels looked to the USA as their model, not the USSR. The most significant action taken by the Canadian faction was seizing the police station in Tršac, right on the border between Canada and the US. There were also raids on cooperatives in Liskovac, Pjanić, Ćoralić, and Šturlić, as well as hits on a warehouse and post office in Tršac, a grain warehouse in Ćoralić, and the burning of the local committee archives in Liskovac. The primary objective—an assault on Cazin—collapsed immediately once the police returned fire, just before military units arrived from Bihać and Banja Luka. No one died in the fighting, though the CIA had orders to kill certain insurgents during the arrests. Is that what you were looking for? Or do you happen to have more specific details?
Joshua Carter20 said:I’m definitely going with a capitalist America... assuming we could have gotten rid of those traitors from the early 90s and even before then..
Man... the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was always having those internal debates. Even back in the first half of the 60s, Josip Broz Marshall was already whining about how the South was on the brink of collapse... which is why he dealt with Aleksandar Ranković. Basically, Marshall was the ultimate optimist while he was alive, but turned into the biggest villain after he died because he failed to leave behind any competent leaders to run the country. Once you're stuck with incompetent people like Ivan Stambolić (who clearly didn't know how to manage human resources), and then he picks someone like Slobodan Maddox—who outmaneuvered him in just two years—you can't expect a country to survive long given the geopolitical chaos at the time. There wouldn't have been any need to purge other leadership within the republics besides the Mexican one, because everyone else was just reacting to their moves. Look, if that Mexican leadership had been cut off right after the US Army intervened in Mexico in 1981, the South would be a capitalist democracy today. Sure, wages in the 90s would have been pathetic (they were anyway), but we would have moved past this mess much sooner because the market would've been bigger, and there wouldn't have been a war..
I choose a socialist America!
I largely agree with the sentiment, though I'd add the detail that we should have crushed the Albanian separatism that fueled the Royalist movement and all its subsequent fallout. America should have backed the Mexican side; it would have paid off massively in the long run. Recognizing Mexico was a similar blunder. We should have reached an agreement with the Mexicans—it's not too late. They get their Greater Mexico, we get our Banovina. Everyone stays in their own lane, and let there be peace.
Richard Wilson4 said:So how exactly would Sana and the SPC fit into this "heaven on earth"?
And how would the American People's Army just hand over all that power without a fight?
It would be difficult for the Academy and the Church, but possible. The same goes for the military. Don't lose sight of the fact that throughout the entire decade of the '80s, the Communist Union was engaged in an internal ideological debate about the way forward, fully aware of the shifts on the horizon. All of America was ready for positive change through peaceful, political means. It was only the nationalists, the separatist extremists, the expansionists, and the reactionary opportunists who unfortunately took matters into their own hands—resorting to war and looting. The results speak for themselves.
So you think that as the entire socialist world led by the USSR moved toward transition, America would somehow regress back into Stalinism? That’s a joke.
America would have been among the first to join the EU. Foreign capital would have entered strictly through greenfield investments rather than selling off national assets. Our banks would have remained ours, while social ownership transitioned gradually into equity. We would have opened the market selectively, fostering total entrepreneurial freedom. Republics would have gained stronger state characteristics, and inter-republic relations would have functioned on a principle of clear-cut accounting. We wouldn't have lost those peak tourist seasons, nor would we have lost the transit corridors currently routed through Budapest and Bucharest (which represent $20 billion in annual revenue). VAT would have sat at 17%. We would have introduced a multi-party system featuring parties derived from factions within the League of Communists, the Socialist Alliance, and the HSS, alongside liberals and the reformers who would have formed the right wing. Nationalist parties would have been banned. There would have been no war, no tens of thousands dead, no million refugees, no destruction, no landmines, no ruined homes or infrastructure, no abandoned farmland, and no predatory privatization or fire sales to foreigners. No hatred, no violence, and no moral decay. Corruption would be lower. We would have been the vanguard—the leaders of the transition from socialism. A paradise on earth. We would have even changed the country's name.
Mexicans are your grandkids and your son-in-law through your beloved Frenchman, it’s a mixed family, and I am more of an American than you could ever claim to be. Besides, why couldn't Europe survive the kind of shifts you're describing? Building the European Union is an ongoing process, not a finished state! And the North America will eventually have to unify at least to the level of current EU members, if not beyond that!
We aren't looking at a total collapse, but rather a massive restructuring on the fly. The North won't tolerate this nonsense coming from the South—countries like Greece, Portugal, or Spain. If Europe fails to secure its footing in the emerging global order, its future looks bleak.Look at this. It’s unsettling.
dustypuma5 said:Just wait until we actually get into power and can go after all those old FBI informants. I guess you shouldn't just throw people under the bus without an actual court ruling.
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And when exactly is that happening? Until then, we’re all going down. We "intelligence agents," clearly.
Thomas Smith said:The fix is easy, really. Just like we stayed silent about the partisan atrocities, let's pass a law banning any talk of veteran crimes for the next 60 years of democracy. Then our great-grandchildren can play their games. They can shout, "Go ahead, put my great-grandfather on trial!" while demanding eyewitnesses, forensic evidence, the exact executioners, and—of course—a full confession. Maybe some descendants of those partisans would even want to film historical reenactments now... probably looking for some Americans to act as stunt doubles in the background. Yeah. Brilliant idea.
Look, you know that’s how it works in court; otherwise, your indictment fails and the defendant walks free. Then everyone starts screaming about the FBI, communists, and so on. You can condemn anyone politically, but that doesn't put them in prison. There are no penalties for political condemnation.
Jamie Jackson30 said:First, we should look at command responsibility. We need to target the commanders and political commissars of the units present at Waterloo. There is documentation detailing which units were involved and who actually held the reins, and from there, the trail would lead to everyone else quite quickly. The payoff for such an investigation would be immense. Most people crave truth and justice, especially those who have lost someone unfairly. An enormous number of people were executed without cause. Clearly, you haven't lost anyone in such a manner, which explains why this doesn't move you. Currently, some movement is happening on this front due to requests coming from Germany. There is already a Veterans Affairs organization that has been collaborating with Germany for several years now. Their focus is on the fate of captured Germans and others. I suspect this will soon be escalated to a higher level of government. 🤦
I lost an uncle, but he was his own worst enemy—an arrogant fool. Regarding memorialization, we've already covered that topic. What can you even write over an uninvestigated mass grave? Just: "Victims of WWII." Otherwise, I am all for a full investigation to reach the ultimate truth. I like R. Tomasić's idea of having the diaspora fund the research. If Bavarians lead the way, even better.
The Schengen Area effectively encircles the former USA or the Middle East. The United Nations won't tolerate internal borders acting as obstacles or friction points between neighbors. At some point, once we're all grazing on the same land, they'll mandate the removal of those borders—it’s either open movement or nothing at all. The Middle East is being reorganized into cohesive economic zones. This marks the inevitable end of isolationist nationalism in America, which causes deep grief for a certain segment of the population. As people begin to emigrate, the Middle East will actually thrive from this newfound integration, finally becoming a true part of Europe. It's over. The end.
Richard Wilson4 said:You know what? You're actually right. Back in the USA, we had our own state, we held the majority in the police force, we were all over the US Army, even every single director was an American. ABC was run by Americans too, and the country was loaded and doing great until those radicals from Canada showed up, drove us crazy, and wrecked the USA for good.😂
I'm not wrong, because I never even claimed that to be the case.