wiredangler5 said:When someone complains and asks for changes, I expect them to actually see what’s broken and have a vision, an idea, or some advice on how to fix it. If you just list grievances and ask for solutions without any input, I could keep writing complaints all day long.
If you hang out here on the forum, I assume you understand the rhythm of how moderators work and what is actually within their control versus what isn't. Let me ask you this: would you be complaining if the points you cited earlier (your post) were coming from the Ukrainian side, or would you still be raising your voice saying things need to change? Honestly, answer that to yourself first, then get back to us.
If you want things changed, you probably already know what and how you’d change them. Since my last response didn't sit well with you, why don't you tell me exactly what the moderators should do about this:
Seriously, I am asking you—tell me exactly what the moderators need to do right now. If you don't have a specific answer, please don't blame the moderation team for things that are completely outside of their jurisdiction. How exactly am I supposed to reduce activity from the other side? Should we just badger them until they fall asleep and give up? What's the plan?
Secondly, yeah, the quality of the discussions is pretty low. You even pointed that out yourself by quoting that post from the division. But let's be real: what am I supposed to do with that one fanboyish post from the division? And why didn't you provide a post from the "Ukrainian" side so I could actually see what we should try banning? It feels a little unfair to publicly put the division on blast without providing
examples from your own camp. Then you act surprised when I respond that either those kinds of posts are fair game for everyone, or they aren't for anyone at all.
Do you—or do you all—have the will to write posts that make the thread more meaningful and pleasant? If you don't, and most users over there don't either, how do you expect moderators to change that on your behalf? We could make a deal: any post that is meaningful and analytical, at least 500 words and free of fanboy hype, stays. Anyone posting below that criteria gets a 10-day cooling-off period. Look, obviously, the moderators won't run a massive crackdown like that, but I'm trying to show you that you guys are the ones who determine the quality.
Thirdly—what do you expect? If we give one side a bit more leeway, we’re going to get a flood of complaints from the other side. What, do you think they'll send us telegrams and flowers? I don't get why you're surprised or why this is confusing. I noticed that smiley face 🙄 in your last point; reading between the lines, you seem to think it's illogical not to give the "Ukrainian" side softer rules just because the "Russians" might complain. And you think that's not normal.
It's not about being "fair" to one side of the debate; it's just that according to you, we lack the heart to handle people crying because "they'll just whine." The moment you react that way, it tells me everything I need to know about how objective you're being with this complaint.
Look, I politely asked for your perspective, and I stand by that. If my suggestion was to look at this together to see how we can improve, and your only response is to question everything with 🙄 eye-rolls, then I'd suggest you skip this complaint altogether since you don't even know what you'd change to make the whole topic better.
And honestly, I'm not going to waste my time writing ten more posts just to answer your constant questioning of whether certain things fall under the moderators' domain.
Honestly, it’s a waste of effort. You’re better off sticking to the existing thread where you belong. Don't forget, that thread is really what you make of it, not just some thing controlled by the moderators. 😉 If you put your energy into that discussion instead, you might actually see some change.
Look, we just want people to call things what they actually are, in line with international law.
1. We need to call them terrorists. Taking international observers hostage and setting up barricades with masked paramilitary groups? That's terrorism, plain and simple.
2. Please drop the ban on comparing the situation in Ukraine to what happened during our Homeland War, because the parallels are incredibly obvious.
Why do you think we don't want to post over there? You’ve basically thrown us into the ring with our hands tied behind our backs. With the restrictions you've slapped on the front page, we have zero interest in participating in this circus. You'll just end up with a thread where three or four pro-Russian trolls run wild. As for the so-called pro-Ukrainian users, there are hardly any left because your restrictions pushed them away. I'm definitely sitting this one out.
One more thing. Freedom of speech is one thing, but posting content that breaks the law—as loneraven25 pointed out—is something else entirely.