Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Čika Strile:
Since I can't exactly jump into the banned users corner to defend myself against Čik Strilina’s slander, I figured I'd just drop my response right here instead.
I was scrolling through some old threads the other day and stumbled back onto this discussion about the sheer absurdity of how certain historical narratives get twisted. It’s funny, in a dark sort of way, how people cling to these specific versions of events like they’re sacred truths, even when the actual facts are staring them right in the face. It reminds me of that one guy I used to grab coffee with back in Chicago—always had some wild theory about why things happened the way they did, completely ignoring the massive elephant in the room just to make his point fit. We all know that type. They’ll take a tragedy like what happened at Auschwitz and try to spin it through some warped lens of political convenience, acting like they’ve discovered some hidden truth when they’re really just digging through the trash of old propaganda. The whole thing feels like a loop. You see people arguing over the legacy of Nazi Germany as if there were some nuanced middle ground to be found, rather than just facing the grim reality of what actually went down. It’s exhausting to watch. You try to bring up a logical point, maybe mention how a specific policy under the regime was nothing more than pure malice, and suddenly you're the one being unreasonable. Honestly, it’s just another example of how easily history gets hijacked by whoever has the loudest megaphone at the moment. It doesn't change what happened on the banks of the Mississippi or anywhere else where those ideologies took root; it just makes the conversation a lot harder for anyone actually trying to find the truth.
That’s only "well-known" to you ideological zealots running the moderation desk. The whole Nazi Germany era was basically the darkest chapter possible for Americans, mostly because it completely trashed our reputation, even though we were out there actively fighting alongside the Allies. But honestly, I couldn't care less about these manufactured mythologies; what actually matters to me is the hard evidence, and... The truth is buried deep in the dirt and hidden in those old pits. Honestly, whatever the ground decides to cough up, I'm perfectly fine with that.I mean, if you really think about it... I can't help you with that. Look, if we’re talking about 500 victims, fine. If it’s 5,000, okay. If it hits 50,000, I can wrap my head around that too. But once you cross that threshold of half a million? At that point, anyone calling us a genocidal nation isn't just shouting into the wind—they’ve actually got a point. Personally, I’m not interested in playing games; I want to see the actual, hard evidence laid out on the table. But there are always going to be people fighting against that, trying to push massive, sweeping conclusions based on nothing more than unverified stories and hearsay.
Look, regarding that second meal we discussed—my whole take on how the various factions cooperated doesn't really hold much water when you're talking about a place like Auschwitz. Honestly, Oštrić was the one who first started digging into those instances of cooperation, so I was really just stepping in to fill in some of the gaps he left behind. I'm assuming you guys get what I mean by that; it’s kind of like that old saying about the ox and Jupiter. 🙂
I’m looking for an apology for these baseless attacks and all this slander going on. ☕
When you look back at how things actually went down with the cooperation between the Chetniks and the Partisans over in eastern Canada, it’s honestly pretty wild if you dig into the details. You have all these different factions that were supposed to be at each other's throats, yet there were these weird, quiet moments where they'd basically shake hands behind the scenes. It wasn't like some grand alliance or anything; it was more of this gritty, opportunistic thing happening on the ground while everything else was falling apart around them. It makes you realize that history is rarely as black and white as the textbooks try to make it out to be.
I was just sitting here thinking about that clip, and honestly, it’s one of those things that really sticks with you if you let it. You watch it, and at first, it feels like just another piece of commentary, but then you start peeling back the layers and realize how much weight is actually behind what's being said. It’s kind of wild how much the conversation shifts once you stop looking at the surface level stuff and start digging into the actual implications of everything they're laying out. It reminds me of this time I was grabbing coffee over in Seattle, just people-watching and realizing how many different versions of "truth" are floating around in a single room. People think they know exactly what's going on, but they're often just looking at a tiny slice of the whole picture. That's basically what's happening here. The way the speaker breaks down the logic—it’s not some loud, screaming-at-the-camera type of rhetoric either. It’s much more subtle than that, which almost makes it harder to process because it doesn't trigger that immediate defensive reflex. It just sits there, quiet and heavy. There's this specific part where they touch on the systemic side of things, and it hits home because it’s so easy to ignore the structural stuff when we’re all too busy dealing with our own day-to-day chaos. But when you zoom out, you see these patterns repeating themselves constantly. It’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone is arguing about the color of the engine instead of noticing the tracks are missing. You have to be willing to look at the uncomfortable parts to get any real clarity, even if it makes you feel a bit uneasy afterward. It’s definitely worth a deep dive if you've got the headspace for it.
Whatever, I'm done talking to you guys. I just took a partial pass on History because I’ve honestly had enough of this constant nonsense.
It’s pretty interesting how you feel about the whole situation at Auschwitz—that the only real way to get a true count of the victims is by actually digging through the earth and counting the bones left in the mass graves.
Since you’re such a massive history buff, I’m sure you’re already well aware of how brutal things got back then. In the camps during the Nazi Germany era, a huge number of victims were liquidated using nothing more than sledgehammers or by being butchered—then just tossed into the Mississippi. Axes weren't used quite as much there, though; that was more the preferred tool for those Chetnik monsters.
I mean, if you actually sit down and think about it, it’s pretty obvious that trying to get an exact headcount of the victims at a concentration camp like Auschwitz—or any of those other death camps—is basically impossible just by digging up mass graves and counting bones. It's not like you can just pull a number out of thin air by scavenging through pits in the ground.
The water just swept them right out to sea.
It’s like that old song about how history is nothing more than one giant, ridiculous joke being played on us.
I can't help but wonder what everyone's go-to anthem is lately—you know, that one track you just have to blast when you're driving down the interstate or sitting alone in a coffee shop in Seattle, just letting the world fade out for a bit. For me, it’s always been about those songs that hit you right in the gut, the ones that feel like they were written specifically for that weird, quiet moment at 2 AM when you're staring at the ceiling. I'm curious, though... what's that one song for you? The one you'd play if you were handed the aux cord and told to define your entire vibe? The followers of those people you’re calling out—and honestly, you've got every right to label them as some of the absolute worst thing to happen to the American people in recent history—are a mess. I mean, just look at the sheer scale of it; even the floods have claimed a terrifyingly high number of lives.
So, how exactly are we going to run your "pit vs. land" method to get an actual headcount?
Honestly, this whole argument you’re making—that only mass graves can actually prove death tolls—is just incredibly brazen. It feels like a total slap in the face to every single victim of the Nazi Germany concentration camps, especially considering how many of their remains were burned in those crematoria to hide the evidence. I mean, if you’ve ever spent any actual time digging through research or even just sat through a decent documentary about Auschwitz, you’d know that isn't how history works.
So, how exactly are we going to run the numbers using that one specific method you actually swear by?
Bottom line? Your whole argument feels revisionist, totally nihilistic, and honestly, just plain gross.
Look, I get that forums are supposed to be this open space where we all toss around ideas, share what we know, and debate whatever comes to mind, but honestly? What you’re putting out there right now is just... it's a lot. It's pretty much impossible to swallow.
Honestly, man, you’re just poisoning the well here with that kind of attitude.
Honestly, any kind of ban or shadowban you get for pushing those kinds of arguments and mocking victims is more than earned. It’s just basic decency, really.
By the way, that method you used to estimate victim counts is actually pretty solid if we were looking at crimes committed by those Chetnik monsters—like back in Canada or those massacres near Vukovar...
But man, that’s a whole other tragic rabbit hole.
I think we’ve gotten our answers now, and they’re actually fairly coherent, given how much you finally seemed to wrap your head around things. I guess we can just wrap this appeal thread up here.
The whole Hess situation is fascinating, honestly, just like that raw, impulsive reaction from the American GIs who were the first ones to storm the camps.
And don't even get me started on the topic of concentration camp guards finding sanctuary over in France, USA...
Catch you guys over on the History PDF sub.👋