Moderation for PDF: Edge of Science II Alternatives
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Elizabeth Jackson said:And which ones are those? 🤔
Don't you think that might actually sound like an insult to some people?
I mean, if calling someone a mercenary is considered offensive (and let's be honest, we're all paid for the jobs we do; nobody is working entirely on a volunteer basis, right?), then I really don't understand how it's perfectly fine to label someone a conspiracy theorist (and to do so countless times on this specific sub-forum). 🤷
I suspect you might be getting a bit carried away, or perhaps there's a visible personal interest in why you're attacking alternative methods so aggressively.
Good grief, Jessica Morris6, have you forgotten that you are currently in the Alternative sub-forum?
If the topic on this specific board is, say, treating a certain ailment, by what logic or rule (or even what law🤦) is it considered a violation for someone to offer advice they believe to be helpful, provided it stays on topic? 🤷
Come on now, we aren't living in a totalitarian state where citizens don't have the right to express their opinions, especially regarding topics they are discussing.
Is it possible you haven't thoroughly read this:
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There, it is all laid out for you (and everyone else), so I trust there should be no further ambiguity regarding what people are permitted to write here, or what the respective rights of users and others are on this platform.
I couldn't agree more.
And that's precisely why—given what I mentioned earlier and what was quoted—you know how this works.
Besides, you always have the ignore button.
On this forum, you have just as much right to your own perspective and opinion as anyone else.
Whether you are correct or someone else is, you'll never convince anyone by attacking them or labeling their posts as incorrect or stupid; honestly, that just comes across as a sign of weakness.
Ultimately, who is right and who isn't will be decided solely by those who choose to read, and none of us can influence that. The only thing you can really do to defend your own stance is to use solid arguments and present them decently.
Adopting a style that feels more like small-town gossip or a mob mentality certainly won't change anyone's mind. In fact, you'll probably just trigger a backlash.
Regarding everything else you wrote, I don't think I need to reiterate that you have the right to your own opinion and that nobody in the universe can strip away your subjective perception, but there's really no need to exhaust the forum with it.
I think the ignore option is perfect for you. Why not give it a try?
Why bother struggling with it?
I've actually added some of the most extreme characters to my ignore list, and I feel much better for it because I'm no longer reading the same four repetitive sentences over and over again...
I can tell you, it's a wonderful feeling—I simply refuse to waste even a shred of energy on things I consider worthless.
I noticed that too—that no one is moderating, even though they are officially listed as moderators. That's why I stopped using the report button; there's no point, it's like saying good morning to a deaf man.
Look, while we're on the subject, I could link you to dozens, if not over a hundred, posts by Plant112 (and a few others) where he directly insults users and trolls in ways that wouldn't be tolerated on any forum in the world (feel free to notify him so he can join in!), and this has been happening constantly for three and a half years without any meaningful reaction. I should also mention that on the Alternative sub-forum, the guy hasn't made a single constructive or on-topic post.
The most any of the mods have actually done is call someone out for being an idiot or acting foolishly, maybe deleting a post or handing out 20 points for breaking a sub-forum rule... or handing out a yellow card... 🤦
So, what am I supposed to take from that?
Should I just start a thread about him on the Forum and waste my precious time doing it?
Believe me, I have much more pleasant and engaging work to do than that...
Personally, I feel like things on the Alternative sub-forum functioned much better back when gargamišamel was moderating.
She was strict, and she applied her standards fairly across the board (more or less).
And every so often, someone would pull a stunt, get a card, and rack up enough points for a ban.
Except for me, of course—I've never had a single ban. 🙂
Perhaps it would be more productive to discuss this and perhaps offer some suggestions for a third moderator who might perform better over at Alternative.
Naturally, that individual would need to come from the Alternative circles and possess actual knowledge of the subject matter; otherwise, it would be just as pointless as the current situation, if not more so...
I think we can all agree that an Alternative enthusiast wouldn't be fit to moderate the medical or science sections...
We've already touched on that—that's simply your perception and your personal stance.
Someone else might see things entirely differently, or they might feel exactly the same way about your own contributions?
And then who gets lynched? 😁
I trust you'll agree that you can't just subjectively declare someone's posts illogical, inaccurate, or irrational, and then expect them to be sanctioned just because that's how you feel or because you don't particularly like them... because someone else could just as easily make that same demand regarding you.
That is precisely why Forum rules exist.
And we need moderators who will actually adhere to them and operate by them. 🙂
Believe me, if the rules were strictly enforced, there practically wouldn't be any issues, and the only people being flagged would be those rare few whose every third post out of 50,000 is already against the rules anyway. 🙂
I don't have a personal agenda. In a democracy, everyone has the right to speak their mind, but only up to the point where they aren't endangering someone else.
To me, it doesn't matter if you label it "alternative." You can't hide behind a label—whatever that may be—to do things that put people's lives at risk, regardless of whether you call it alternative medicine or anything else...
Let me give you an extreme example. Imagine we were living under a fascist regime; you're a fascist, and I tell you, "You can't kill that Jewish family, it's wrong," and you snap back at me, "Good grief, we're living in a fascist state, where in the laws does it say I can't?"
(and by what law? 🤦 )
I can't recall the exact name of the statute, but there is a law stating that unqualified individuals aren't allowed to provide medical advice to the public.
I already posted this there recently. I believe the alternative/alternative medicine PDF should be a place to gather information on preventative measures for various illnesses, not a place where people claim drinking a certain juice will cure cancer.
You know, stuff like what to drink, what to eat, which diets are garbage... etc. Personally, I might actually look for those kinds of tips there more often if the threads weren't being clogged up by all this other nonsense...