Sean Wright5 said:Nobody is underestimating the fleet; we are just trying to be objective. The presence at home and away games—the atmosphere, the numbers, the chanting, even how the banners look—is terrible. It doesn't compare to the generation that ran the West side ten years ago. Plus, there's the whole subculture aspect, including the constant losses in clashes with other groups.
I am asking you why you think our reputation is ruined or whatever else you wrote. Is this your answer?? Your arguments aren't impressive. I don't see the connection between reputation and what a banner looks like 🤷 wtf.. Constant losses in clashes 🤷 What exactly do you mean by that? (I could write a full essay on this, but I really don't feel like it) Again, I disagree completely, but whatever. As long as you're typing, it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, which seems to be the case for most people here.. 🤷 👍
p.s. Once again, I see some degenerates have made this their main hobby, so I won't be left out. Let's all be degenerates together, friends from the south and the north. Like that saying goes, Christ... just don't say too much..👍
Not to sound arrogant, but you don't underestimate this fleet. Cleveland has always had—and will always have—a powerhouse squad in every sense of the word. Regarding reputation, I completely disagree with you on trying to tear someone down like that. If you're going to make a claim, you should at least provide some actual arguments...🤷
Jack hollowtinker18 said:Is there a bus running to Chicago for the celebration this Saturday? Hey, Armando, what’s the deal—is it too expensive for you guys again? Look, hollowtinker18 is going to step in and fix things; all you have to do is show up. Look, I'm not paying for your shuttle service. If you can manage to act civilized and respectful in Chicago—without all the posturing and fake drama—then maybe we can talk about having a good time. It’s your band's anniversary, and we're just there for the title. Everything depends on you. Whether this celebration actually works for everyone depends on how you behave, because I've been hearing plenty of nonsense lately. Focus more on those two failures of yours (Inter Miami CF and R.O.). Whatever. I told them plainly: if they show up peacefully—maybe even singing "Hello Chicago"—they might actually get to leave in one piece. Otherwise, a dockworker's gonna take a day off to handle them.😁
Example no. 2.—Jack, the intellectual.
hollowtinker18 said:What good are photos? A couple of bruised heads and suddenly it’s automatically the cops' fault—as if that would hold up in a small claims court, let alone anything else... Besides, the police bring in "troublemakers" who are a bit rougher than usual, and then what? You think the cops are going to face trial? Meanwhile, those of us who caused three massive scenes during our last five away games are treated like we're picking daisies😂... were those just some agitators from the die-hard fans?😲 Furthermore, those photos from the stadium don't say much for the fans. There's a squad of cops just sitting there on orders, acting as security for a high-risk game. How many times has a cop taken a hit from a bottle thrown from the crowd? (seen it happen). So how exactly are they supposed to act when they're policing an organization like the BBB? Come on, let's not be hypocrites. Clean up the trash and the phonies within your own ranks before you start talking. You can't be against the ownership one minute and then sucking up to them or begging for a beer after the game (seen it...) or scrambling for tickets the next. In short—I've been hit plenty of times by the law, both when I deserved it and when I didn't, but that's just the fan lifestyle that clearly some people can't wrap their heads around. And don't think the cops were all honey and milk back in the mid-80s. (Back then, you couldn't even find anyone to pity you if you got beaten up...) Most of the bad cops are intentionally placed at high-risk games, but you'd be surprised how many times I've been lucky because they looked the other way, though that's not really the point here. Just remember all those intense ACAB provocations... isn't it a bit hypocritical to complain about police brutality after everything? Either you're playing games or you're playing ninja. Clearly, being a hardcore fan isn't for everyone, so maybe stay out of business you can't handle. Cheers!👍 Good luck...
Jack 👍 don't bother. everything has already been said..
I don't know what they were performing, but the crew rolled into town in the morning with zero cash. It didn't take them long to remember the drill, so they grabbed a cardboard box and, acting like the best street performers out there, decided to entertain the locals 😁 to make a quick buck..🤣 Since the Bronx wasn't showing up and someone had to step up, it ended up being the local kids. Legend has it that a guy in blue was checking everyone's ID, but the best part was when he was asked what his job was—he just said, "fan." 🙏🙏 Man, those were the days. Those away games were legendary.. 🙏🙏 🤣
Another detail from those old road trips to Philly:
😁 Someone broke into the zoo and spray-painted an elephant with Red Sox Nation elephant 🤣 That triggered one of the most "meticulous" searches for rival fans in their city—hunting down Yankees supporters through downtown apartments. The group would systematically knock on doors of total strangers, and once someone opened up, they’d just ask, "Good day, do you or your son support the Yankees?" 😂 If the answer was yes, the hosts were left with a memory they'd never forget 😁🤣
But I was actually thinking about the story related to this photo. Does anyone know what's going on with those guys on the street? 😁😁 (It can't be that people are this clueless about their own group's history. I know most of the ones who probably don't even visit this forum know, but everyone else??..) 😁 👍
Where are those losers from Savannah 😁 all eating and drinking? I hope they're having fun, though knowing the Red Sox Nation, they’re probably overdoing it..🙂 Anyway, does anyone actually know the backstory behind this away game??
Regarding that away game, I heard a ridiculous story. Some kid from the training camp stole a bike in Savannah (so imagine how long it took him just to get to the coast, let alone all the way down to Savannah). That's the one guy I know who actually made it down there, though he definitely chose a different way home. 😁
Also, another fun fact—I think it's the same guy. During the trip to NYC, he didn't have the patience to wait for the train to depart for the coast, so he decided to start it himself..🤣
There's also a crazy story about the "real deal" involving Savannah. A group headed out by boat on Friday night and didn't make it back to the coast until Monday morning..🤣
Spider-Man said:Are you a little insecure about South Boston??🙄😉 Focus on your own group, which is currently bottom-tier, instead of worrying about how other groups—who are lightyears ahead of yours—should act.
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I had to stir things up a bit. Everything got boring, so I wanted to wake people up, you know.. Whoever isn't insecure about South Boston 😁 I am right there with you, just like you are with us.😁
And it’s not the absolute bottom. Before the holidays, certain groups went home to their own people, so they left the city to us, including the stands. You'll see when spring rolls around after Easter, we'll be at our peak..👍 I'm not telling anyone how to behave. You took my words out of context. You guys certainly have "class"..😁
Spider-Man said:P.S. Until other groups stop wandering around town on game days taking selfies with banners in downtown (Bronx), or entering the city without backup and attacking you in your own territory (like the bus station), or until your own crew does that (since you called us out), maybe tone down the drama in Miami, okay?
Why all the fuss? It's all for the fans.. read a few pages back, that's the second part of my answer..😉
p.s. I'm answering you here so I don't get chewed out by the mods for ruining the thread over there..😁
lonewolf2 said:Alright, just try not to burst into tears the second someone looks your way... 😢
The first time I got "hit," I was about 15 or 16. There was a massive crowd 😁 near the entrance to the West stands. I ended up being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Mostly, I just ended up with baton marks on my back for a few days. My point is, I didn't cry. Is that good or bad? Does it mean I was a hooligan if I didn't cry, or was I supposed to have...?🤷
To follow up on the previous post, here is a series from our away trips:
good: 👍
- where else would you find this? that guy in blue aiming with his nails while the ones below watch the game with a smile. one look at you and they start acting tough immediately.
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not good: 👎
- honestly don't know what they were trying to achieve with this move. plenty of space available, yet they crowd near the top of the stands and end up trampling their own people.🤷
This conversation could easily head in this direction too. It’s a bit long, but we could probably pull some good imagery from here. 👍
A few examples of totally useless "displays of force" at the perimeter—even if you deploy entire battalions, they’re still just "fans" sitting in their seats in the stands. What kind of scenes are these that they claim are for families coming to the stadium? The current situation in the West is even worse than what's shown in these photos. Having a riot squad staring you down for 90 minutes? Bravo. That’s exactly what keeps viewers away. 👍 ) :
Here are some photos from before 2000. Just so everyone can see that this crackdown didn't just start yesterday.
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Which one is better: this or that?
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If someone absolutely insists on being in front of the barricade, this is a far superior option. Though it remains unnecessary. :
As far as I am aware, they receive seniority credits for this. Maybe for this?
Also, an example of a threatening message that would be banned from the stadium under police regulations:
P.S. Could we not all just be happy? 😍 👍
- Veko, sorry if this is too much, delete it if so..😁
- I would prefer not to be in this situation while driving. 🤣
shadowgardener10 said:My take? They shouldn't punish everyone the same way. There’s a massive difference between someone lighting a flare and just holding it under their chin versus someone actually chucking it onto the pitch. One guy is just being loud; the other is actively sabotaging the game itself.
It's totally illogical how they handle alcohol. They say you can have up to a 0.02% BAC when you walk through the gates, yet you aren't supposed to "possess" alcohol while traveling to the match. If I recall, there’s even a heavy penalty if you exceed that limit. We should suggest they scrap that whole rule because it makes zero sense. It's ridiculous that someone who has three beers and wants to catch the game ends up facing massive fines or a police report. It would be much more reasonable to set a hard limit—say, 0.02%—where if you're over it, the cops just deny you entry and leave it at that. You shouldn't have life-altering legal problems just because you had a couple of extra beers.
Well done. 👍
We should definitely pursue an appeal for reduced penalties—specifically targeting both the duration and the fines. Right now, the punishments for carrying a flare are more severe than those for drunk driving. Using any shred of common sense, which one is actually more dangerous? A drunk driver who could cause a fatal accident, or someone caught lighting a flare? It’s illogical.
Back in the 90s, we needed people who could channel national pride and step up when things got heavy. Back then, fans were actually supported. Now? This new fan law treats everyone—from the veterans of the 90s to the kids today—exactly the same. They’re grouping us in with pedophiles, dealers, loan sharks, and murderers. It’s absurd.
Noah Booth3 said:Look, I know our proposed fan legislation inside and out, and honestly? I’m worried that if we settle for just a 30% compromise, we're going to be celebrating way too early! Right now, I am dead set against all this talk about protests, backyard BBQs, and whatever other nonsense people are suggesting... it's just not it. The only real move here is a legal fight—we take it straight to the Supreme Court first, and if that fails, then we head to the European Court of Human Rights. The entire scene has to get its act together and unite on this, because if we stay divided, we don't stand a chance. I'm talking everyone—from the small local groups all the way up to the hardcore supporters of the Los Angeles Dodgers and the New York Yankees! Every single suggestion needs to be weighed carefully... Boycotts and street protests have to be our absolute last resort!
Agreed. One has to wonder how much impact or what kind of results a boycott would actually yield..
Doesn't strictly follow what Spitka said about this thread, but I don't have much else. Here's how things used to look back when it was actually good👍 (-only downside is the sponsored ad in the clip)👍 might be useful for something🤷