Posts by ruggedhawk20

mellowtiger83 said:Juan Manuel Fangio was the greatest driver of all time, period. Perhaps I could consider Jim Clark, but no one else. Fangio stands above because he won in a wide variety of machines.

Ayrton Senna was the greatest pilot in history!

There is driving a car, and then there is piloting an automobile. They are not the same thing.

The only historical instances where Senna can even be mentioned in the same breath as a true driver are that wild stint in the NSX with Suzuki and that magnificent victory at the Nürburgring in the Mercedes-Benz 190.

People need to learn how to distinguish drivers from pilots. Those guys racing NASCAR today are drivers; those people behind V8 supercars are drivers. The principle is similar, but it is nowhere near the same.

Pilots react on the edge of instinct—they react digitally. Drivers operate analogously, and you simply cannot grasp the difference.

Just because someone is a Formula 1 champion does not mean they will be the best driver; history has shown us that many times over.

Senna proved he was the superior driver among the Formula 1 pilots of his era.

The only time pilots can truly showcase their driving skill—the only time they are forced to react analogically—is when it rains. A downpour, wet tracks, that sort of thing.
That is when true driving ability surfaces, and lo and behold, Senna was actually a driver. Only then can we draw some loose parallels with Fangio and Jim Clark.

I am not sure if your limited minds can even process this.

To understand this, you would have to be born a natural leftist. Right-handers, for some reason, are less capable of abstract thought. Everything for them boils down to numbers and math; they rank everything by points and reduce everything to a mathematical level.
Their entire existence revolves around material wealth, believing that being rich is the ultimate goal, failing to grasp the actual depth of life.

That is why specific forums exist, where you can ask someone who thinks differently than the masses.

Any decent leftist could prove to you that 1>5.

For instance, Tbf and crimsonhawk23 likely need a mountain of aids during a race just to figure out what is happening around them: PC, Tablet, mobile phone, a hundred different types of live timing, and so on.
Right-handers can track massive amounts of information. We leftists cannot. We just watch, tune everything out, and see only the racing and the braking zones. We know everything without any assistance.

Tell Ćeraj and his clones to take their posts and shove them into some "Religion" PDF.

neonfox65 said:What logic? I mostly just write things phonetically because it’s easier—though for stuff like "Max" or "McLaren," I’ll stick to the actual spelling since it looks better. It's pretty stupid if you're actually getting salty about that.

You totally sold out Vukko with Max and McLaren.

stormybadger8 said:Oh, here we go with another conspiracy theory—classic. 😬
Fine, if nobody else is gonna step up, I guess I will. 🤣

Maybe Binotto just killed a cylinder—basically just clogged up the fuel line...
Why didn't the kid listen to team orders? It was basically like—I don't know—telling a toddler to just sit down and be quiet. 🙂

As silly as that sounds—it might actually be possible...

I don't care how much they love the aesthetic over at Ferrari—and yeah, I get why Leclerc probably pulls more fans than Vettel did—but if the kid actually ignored team orders, he basically spit in the face of the entire crew. At Ferrari, that’s an absolute, hard-line no-no. 😉

That’s exactly why—honestly, I don't even respect F1 anymore. I only tune in just to say I did.

Look, anyone who actually understands racing knows that once the viewership and media hype hit a certain level, the actual quality of the races just goes downhill.

That's exactly why I'm always pushing Indycar—it doesn't get that massive media circus treatment, so they can't just manufacture the drama or fake the results.

I mean, people actually die in Indycar—it's serious business. That’s why drivers get way more respect from both the fans and the bosses.

darkmarlin16 said:Who was that scraping the floor—someone from Red Bull Racing .?

And Williams didn't even throw off a spark—looks like they kept it maxed out just to avoid wrecking the track 😁 🤦

But having two cars die in the same lap has happened before. Pretty sure the Red Bull Racing cars blew up last year 🤔

EDIT:

Yeah, Hartley and Pierre Gasly in the same lap at the Russian Grand Prix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Russian_Grand_Prix

Back in '97, both McLarens died at once during the Luxembourg Grand Prix held at the Nürburgring

And I think they had a similar circus in Austria that same year, but I can't be 100% sure

James Harris34 said:I think you're misinterpreting me—it’s not that there wasn't anyone competent enough to take his titles away, it's that he wasn't quite competent enough to snatch a few more wins with that car before the season ended, which is what should've happened.

I said exactly what I meant to say.

Don't worry about how I express myself.

James Harris34 said:Once Michael Schumacher left, I wasn't really rooting for anyone—and honestly, before Vettel started grabbing titles, I always felt like everyone else actually earned theirs. With Vettel, I just never got that feeling; I always suspected he was only winning because he had a dominant car and the team clearly favored him over his teammate. I knew the truth would come out eventually, and here we are: he’s just an average driver who happened to be in the right place at the right time (and almost blew two titles thanks to his own mistakes). He can only win when he's sitting in the fastest car on the grid and his teammates are basically retirees. For all intents and purposes, his career is done—he should probably just call it quits after this season before things get even worse. His titles don't mean squat to me; I still think drivers who never even had a shot at a title are better than him. But hey, that's how it played out. Adrian Newey... this Vettel guy has 4 titles, so there's nothing you can do about it.

Yeah...

It'd be way easier for us to stomach if he only had those inevitable wins from 2011 and 2013.

But he didn't stop there...

We have to deal with all four, because unfortunately, nobody was competent enough to stop him in 2010 and 2012.

That parrot who kept repeating
"Petrov-Rosberg, Petrov-Rosberg" all winter long after 2010 did more damage to Sebastian Vettel's reputation than anything else.

silvercobra68 said:Vettel—pros and cons

Alright, here we go. It’s been about three seasons since Vettel hit the Formula 1 scene, so there's plenty of data to actually judge him by.

1) He’s killer in a bad car—he drags whatever junk he's driving to its absolute limit, no doubt about that. But put him in a dominant machine? Total flop. Honestly, he reminds me of Giancarlo Fisichella. Just look at how Fisichella fought in those inferior cars at Indy 1997, Indy 2009, Indy 1999, and Indy 2003—pure magic. Yet, when he had the top-tier car at those same tracks, like Indy 2005 or Indy 2006, he wasn't nearly as brilliant. So it's not the track, and it's definitely not the car—I mean, obviously, the 2006 Renault was lightyears better than the 1999 Benetton, both relatively and absolutely.

2) He started getting outplayed by some shady Australian guy who nobody really knows. On paper, he was born in '74, but word is he was actually born in '69 and the docs were faked just so he could stay in the junior leagues longer. The FIA knows the deal but decided to look the other way. Whatever, even FIFA looked the other way with Chirota. They know what's up, and hey, it's not hurting anyone else. Except maybe Vettel—but even then, if a 41-year-old loses to a guy like that, it just tastes even more bitter.

3) In a head-to-head on track, he loses to more aggressive drivers in worse cars (like when Lewis Hamilton blew past him in Los Angeles)—which is basically the trademark of drivers like Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock, and Heikki Kovalainen. Hmmm.

4) When he's supposed to overtake someone slower ahead of him, he gets soft and just gives up (think Bahrain 2009 or Los Angeles 2009).

Bottom line: Vettel is somewhere in the middle of Nico Rosberg (who was pretty much on par with Mark Webber back when they were at Williams) and Fisichella. So, a solid driver. A future champ? Hard pass.

Anyway, discuss.

Thoughts from the late Joe Bistranski

It’s wild how this guy lived an entire decade ahead of his time. Never truly understood by anyone.

RIP (rest in peace, per my mom's spelling)

Sebastian Vettel is done with F1

It’s pretty obvious his driving skills have completely fallen off a cliff.

He needs to get a brain scan—at this rate, he's gonna end up being the Formula 1 version of Richard Burns

Because honestly, what's happening to him right now just isn't normal

Every single morning—just one sheet of paper and ugh...

darkmarlin16 said:Who absolutely trashed this thread?

Someone step up right now!!

🤦

Some plastic guy—Gersoft plastic manufacturer

Hey Gersoft plastic manufacturer,

Give us some actual women and girls—not these damn plastic replicas.

Thanks.

darkmarlin16 said:This thread isn't legit—Gregory Brown94 is officially opening the race discussion thread, so this needs to be nuked immediately!!!

Gregory Brown94 was crowned the official thread starter for the GP—any disrespect here should be treated as straight-up insubordination and flagged as trolling.

Best,
darkmarlin16

Preach!

You've got my full backing—which basically means you have the support of the entire subforum at this point.

Tits?
Guts?

vividlynx68 said:Just like Senna in Monaco back in '94. 😬

Considering how close it was to Alonso actually kicking the bucket.

mellowtiger83 said:Basically, you're measuring the wrong thing—you need actual instructions on how to measure properly. Since I'm such a helpful guy, I'll give you a chance to measure mine with step-by-step guidance on how it's done.

Don't worry, I'll make sure it stays upright while you're measuring.

stormyviper2 said:I'm telling you.
RB 3 is three lengths faster—headline made.
Ferrari 0.5 is half a length faster—no headline.
Conclusion? XD

So how exactly do we measure these "lengths"?

What even constitutes a length in this context?

Can we just convert these lengths into some other unit of measurement?

stormyviper2 said:Adrian Newey won those titles, not Vettel. Just putting that out there. XD

XD Mladić,

That Adrian Newey guy hasn't touched a Constructors' title since '98—and didn't bag a Drivers' one until '99—meaning he went an entire decade without winning a single thing. Then, suddenly, once he gets Sebastian Vettel in the car, boom: four Constructors' and four Drivers' titles. (And get this—it's called a "Drivers' title," as if some random driver just shows up and hands them out, right?)

Kind of weird, don't you think!?

neonfox65 said:How can you say they had a great engine when Ron Dennis basically admitted they weren't running the same power unit as Mercedes—that theirs was actually weaker?

And how do you know this slump isn't just them prepping for next year? Maybe McLaren spent this whole season experimenting to get ready for their partnership with Honda next year.

I'm dying here.

Reading how some guy at dawn back in 2015 was trying to convince us that Saint Ferdinand sixty-sixth would snag a title with McLaren Honda.

Now that's what I call charisma...

...the kind you need to sell those fairy tales to people...

Good grief, Fernando Alonso is dragged into it again.

Richard Ross11 said:Shut up, kid... I'm bigger than you in every sense of the word... 🙂

Nothing matters here—except the fact that you're just talking shit without any backup...
Too bad we'll never run into each other IRL... 🙂

Bottas school like😁 😁

Richard Ross11 said:I mean, he basically told them over the radio, "To whom it may concern, fuck you"...

Did anyone actually change their lifestyle after saying that? Did he land a massive new sponsor? Did his standing within the team suddenly skyrocket?

If not, then let's be real, buddy—it's not "charisma," it's just venting pure frustration over the team radio.