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Is it against the rules to use Arabic script in your signature? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
hollowtrucker77 said:goldensailor15, I have to say, I'm feeling you quite a bit here.
The American alphabet uses the Latin script.
If you’re looking for a fight with Israelis, well, you know where Palestine is.

EOD

Since we’re going down this road, it would be absolutely wonderful if this forum could just declare itself a zone for standard American—ideally, the most polished literary language.

Which essentially means

a) The word "complicate" isn't part of the standard American lexicon and should be off-limits. For instance...

b) A ban on regional slang. This implies banning things like local Southern twangs, Midwestern drawls, or specific rural dialect markers. Not only is that a bit primitive, but it’s also totally nonsensical and frankly, quite rude. It’s rude because some people act like they’re the only ones allowed to speak their own little town's dialect on this forum.

Following that logic, I could write:

Well, heck, these carrots are mighty fine, I reckon, and you shouldn't go tossin' 'em out by the roadside. Just grab 'em off the scale, slice 'em up with a pocketknife, and you're set.

To you, that would be just as incomprehensible as Arabic script is to me, or your local dialect is to me.

By that same token, we ought to introduce a ban on those "hacker-style" signatures that neither I nor most other folks can even begin to decipher.

IMO, when you start banning things, you can't just pick and choose parts of it. It’s either all or nothing.🤷
Israel shouldn't exist, and Zionism is a religion, not a nation. in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:How exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that what was written was directed at me? — I’m genuinely curious!😕

I haven't quite noticed anyone else around here taking a neutral stance on this particular issue—besides myself, of course!
My apologies there—I honestly thought you were questioning my neutrality!

It’s just not possible to tackle an 1,100-sentence deep dive of raw facts with nothing more than a quick sentence or two—that isn't really a discussion at that point, is it? It feels more like someone just jumping straight to a verdict without any actual back-and-forth. I mean, I'm perfectly capable of reaching my own conclusions, but I have no interest in just sitting here having a one-sided debate with myself!
Israel shouldn't exist, and Zionism is a religion, not a nation. in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:Look, you and I actually agree on quite a lot regarding the awful things the Israeli government pulls. I have to admit—I follow this stuff almost like a full-time hobby!—but I find the subject fascinating. While I’m less fond of the political entity itself😁, I have NEVER once questioned the right of the State of Israel to exist—or rather, the right of the Jewish people to have their own political community. What *really* bothers me—and I see this as a genuine injustice, a total mess, and just plain bad policy—is the fact that there is no Palestinian state. To me, that's the core issue.

I honestly think I'm losing the thread here.
Could you please point out where exactly I ever said that the existence of the State of Israel bothers me? Truly, I'm asking.

Next time, before jumping into a debate, maybe try listening to—or at least reading—what the other person is saying first. 👍
Israel shouldn't exist, and Zionism is a religion, not a nation. in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:I really shouldn't dwell on the rest of the comments—there’s a bit of everything in there, isn't there?—but, I suppose, if we're treating this as a matter of personal opinion, then honestly, just this one point says quite enough about the person on the other side of the conversation.


Oh, don't even bother—there’s honestly way too much to get through here!

Well, I suppose this just goes to show that Mark Martinez4 doesn't really spend much time lurking around the Politics section—at least, not when it comes to following the specific threads on this particular forum!

Period.

Just to clear the air right from the jump—the reason I tend to steer clear of the Politics section isn't because I’m lacking any grasp of theory or practical application—it’s actually much simpler than that. It really comes down to the fact that most discussions there just end up circling the same tired drain over and over again. Honestly, I find the limited perspective of most people in those threads a bit exhausting, so I'd rather save my energy for more productive conversations elsewhere!

What I was trying to get at—to put it more clearly—is this: think about your average person. You know the type—someone who just wants to sit down in the morning with a nice cup of coffee and flip through the paper. For a long time now, they wouldn't have found anything on a full news page dedicated to the situation in Israel that actually touches on the specific context we’ve been discussing. It just wasn't there. On top of that, you have those specific individuals whose lives are so deeply intertwined with what's happening within Israel that they end up actively seeking out the information themselves.

Sarah Wilson95 said:Honestly, trying to pick a fight with the moderator's gavel just isn't worth the effort—it's a losing battle from the jump!😁But I really have to ask you—honestly, can you actually distinguish between criticizing Israeli policy—you know, all that messy business they pull off with such brazen, sometimes even sophisticated, audacity—and what we’re actually arguing about here? I mean, I'm talking about the decision by this little brain trust of moderators to allow free discussion regarding the very existence of the State of Israel—which, let's be real, opens the door to Stormfront and all that other garbage—plus this absolutely nauseating, pseudo-intellectual bickering over whether being Jewish is an ethnic identity or just a religion. Seriously, just give me a straight answer: if someone were to write something similar about the United States and the American people, what would you personally do? I know it isn't a perfect comparison, but come on, let's be honest...
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So, I’ve been sitting here thinking—and please bear with me, my brain tends to wander into these philosophical rabbit holes sometimes—but are Americans actually a religion? If we truly are, then does that mean Jadranka isn't just our Prime Minister, but more like a literal Savior? Just a thought! 🙄 Let’s get serious for a moment—this whole debate over whether Jewish identity defines a nation or a religion is honestly pretty distasteful. I mean, think about it: does being Catholic make you a distinct ethnic group? Does being Buddhist? Of course not. Take an Israeli citizen living within the borders of the State of Israel—that person is an Israeli. Period. It doesn't matter if they happen to be Catholic, Orthodox, or Jewish; their nationality remains Israeli. It works exactly the same way everywhere else, too—a Catholic living in Italy isn't considered an American, just like an Orthodox person living in Armenia isn't considered a Mexican. It’s all about where you belong, not just what you believe.

I honestly don't see why this is such a difficult concept to grasp—it really comes down to making a clear distinction between the era before and after the establishment of the State of Israel. Before it became an actual sovereign state, Jews could simply be viewed as a people, much like how Romani people are recognized as a distinct group today. It’s a subtle but vital nuance, isn't it?

By what RIGHT does any random username get to hide behind "freedom of speech" just to spout nonsense about whether the State of Israel exists, or if they are Israelis or Jews? Or—heaven forbid—writing "jew" with a lowercase 'j'? It’s quite a performance, pretending to be this bastion of democracy while spitting on censors and chasing after ideas you haven't even remotely considered, right?

Actually, it's simply the right to free speech. I made it clear from the start that I always capitalize the word Jew. After typing out thousands of characters and repeating the word over and over, a typo happened—a little slip where it ended up in lowercase. Had I mentioned my rule beforehand, I would have offered an apology; instead, I'm just acknowledging your eagerness to nitpick over such a triviality.

P.S. Based on the tone of your post, I can tell you're writing this in a state of pure anger. Honestly, being unable to control your rage during a discussion makes you a very difficult and exhausting conversationalist—which usually means these debates end poorly for everyone involved. Of course, that applies more to face-to-face discussions.

P.P.S. Looking at your signature, it's pretty obvious you lean toward socialist views. After seeing the things you've said here, you might actually want to rethink those convictions, because this behavior really has nothing to do with socialism.

Best regards,
Israel shouldn't exist, and Zionism is a religion, not a nation. in Feedback & Suggestions ·
goldensailor15 said:It truly is such a breath of fresh air to come across someone who writes with such clarity—you know, someone who actually takes a moment to think things through and approaches a topic with a sense of logic, reason, and genuine honesty. It’s honestly quite refreshing!

I honestly believe that most of us here on this forum have the capacity to think critically and form our own perspectives—regardless of anyone else trying to push their particular viewpoint on us. If we ever feel stuck, we’re living in an era where there is just such an overwhelming abundance of information sources at our fingertips—it really makes it possible to find our own way if we put in the effort.

I can’t help but wonder—was it even physically possible for an average Mongol to look at Genghis Khan during one of his grand lectures and think, "Actually, maybe we shouldn't conquer the entire world"? It seems like a stretch, right? But honestly, I think that touches on a much deeper, more universal issue we face today. There’s this persistent struggle where so many people—once they hit a certain age—just never seem to develop a sense of skepticism toward the narratives they’ve been fed since day one. You know the drill: it starts with your parents, then moves to your friends, and eventually, it's the government and various politicians all singing from the same songbook. It’s almost as if that internal spark—that little nudge of doubt that drives someone to actually investigate things for themselves and potentially change their mind—just never ignites. It’s a bit of a tragedy, really, though I suppose I’m being a tad cynical myself! But still, wouldn't it be fascinating if more people felt empowered to question the status quo instead of just accepting it as gospel truth?

I’m really not one for any kind of radicalization—honestly, I think we should have moved past the era where brute force was considered a viable way to settle disputes a long time ago. In my view, the party holding the upper hand carries the actual responsibility to initiate a dialogue. It’s easy to just shut down conversations, but that’s not how progress works; there is such a thing as compromise, after all—a concept that often gets lost in the heat of the moment. Of course, when you're sitting on a mountain of power, it can be incredibly difficult to actually bite the bullet, agree to meet halfway, and engage in a real, meaningful dialogue.

If Hitler had been handed an option to keep control over France during his absolute peak—on the condition that he just ceased all further military operations—he probably wouldn't have taken the deal. It’s just not how that kind of mindset works. However, if that exact same offer had been put on the table the day after the Allies landed on the beaches of Normandy? Well, he would have grabbed it in a heartbeat. At the end of the day, it really comes down to that toxic cocktail of human greed, sheer stupidity, and a total inability to think independently—it's exactly what ends up destroying both sides, no matter how much one side might have realized they could have just lived in prosperity instead.

The idea floating around today that every single Muslim belongs to some radical faction is, quite frankly, nonsense. It’s the kind of take you only hear from someone who has probably never actually sat down for a conversation with a Muslim person—someone whose entire worldview is shaped by whatever specific narrative CNN happens to be pushing that day. In my own life, I’ve found myself in hundreds of conversations with Muslims, Orthodox Christians, and people of all sorts of different faiths (honestly, if someone’s lifestyle clashes with my personal sense of normalcy, I’d probably include them in that diverse mix too, given how much my life has intersected with so many different walks of life)—and I have never once been judged or condemned simply because of my background. Maybe that’s just because I haven't done anything to deserve it, but it certainly feels like a far more accurate reality than the one being broadcasted.

There is something truly fascinating about how Israelis approach their faith—they don't seem to take King Jesus particularly seriously at all. It’s a curious thing, really. Much like how a Jehovah's Witness might be accused of stripping words right out of their context to suit a point, it feels like Israeli behavior often boils down to simply ignoring Jesus's actual teachings. I mean, let's be honest—Jesus certainly wasn't calling for celebrations after anyone gets killed, whether we're talking about leaders of Hamas or those folks just trying to get humanitarian aid delivered (even if that aid ends up in the wrong hands, which is its own mess entirely). At the end of the day, I highly doubt that Islam, Buddhism, or any legitimate faith is rooted in hatred. Not even Jews are. The issue isn't the religion itself—not by a long shot. The real struggle lies with the Israeli people and the State of Israel, as they seem unable to raise their children with a peaceful spirit. Of course, the Palestinians face the exact same uphill battle, but as the old saying goes, "might makes right," and the strong tend to call the shots. It really leaves you wondering: is the human race actually capable of anything other than the powerful trampling over the weak?

It honestly feels like every generation we encounter is just sliding further downhill from the last one—it’s a bit disheartening, isn't it? Take the recent news about the IDF facing issues with soldiers refusing orders; I don't think we've ever seen anything quite like that before. To me, it serves as a pretty glaring red flag regarding the current mindset of the American public—it seems like that healthy dose of skepticism and independent thought we used to rely on has just... evaporated. It's all becoming very much "groupthink," if you will. On top of that, seeing reports of American citizens openly celebrating after the killing of anyone who isn't a Jew is just deeply unsettling. It really makes you wonder where our collective sense of empathy went.

Think about the Vikings—they were famously brutal warriors, yet they actually had a code. They would openly condemn their own members if they started celebrating too boisterously after killing someone on the opposing side. It was a matter of respect, really; even an enemy has a family, just like the Viking who swung the axe.

And that brings us back to this concept of "tolerance." Honestly, how much longer can the world tolerate the current situation in the Middle East? If it weren't for the Jewish lobby—which has managed to weave itself into almost every major institution, largely by leaning heavily on the memory of the Holocaust—this whole mess probably would have been settled fifty years ago instead of dragging on for an entire century. Before this recent surge in humanitarian outcry, you could go a long time without hearing a single word about anything going wrong in Israel. It’s pretty obvious that certain people didn't like that narrative being challenged—and it's even more obvious who those people are.

One might wonder why Israel doesn't just launch a decisive military operation to secure all the territories they claim as their own once and for all—setting terms for the Palestinian people to either live peacefully under those conditions or relocate. But the reason is simple: generations have been raised to view Palestinians, Lebanese, Iranians, and so on, as existential threats, dedicating most of their lives to fighting them. It's a classic tactic—much like how certain regimes in the former America always manufactured an internal enemy just to boost domestic morale and foster a sense of national unity.

That is why these attempts to ban discussion or suppress opinions on a public forum within a democracy—specifically regarding the legal existence and maintenance of Israel—are nothing short of primitive. It shows an inability to form independent thoughts, opting instead to blindly accept and defend a preset narrative, even if it means throwing oneself under a metaphorical locomotive.

No sane American citizen is ever going to defend the atrocities committed at camps like Jasenovac. There is always a segment of people who won't even debate the topic, choosing instead to drag you into private messages because they secretly doubt their own stance, yet they've been conditioned or raised to believe that such views are the "correct" representative opinion. If they actually arrived at those conclusions through their own critical thinking, well, then they might be mature enough for some actual institutions.

So, I suggest you get to know the other side—the majority side. Not the version spoon-fed to you by media outlets that prefer you to think exactly the way they want you to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOE_11hzXd

Take a look at that footage—the AK-47s, the calls for assassinations, the suicide bombers, and all the rest.

A minority has never truly been the majority. It’s the majority that bears the responsibility when a minority attempts to represent them.
Israel shouldn't exist, and Zionism is a religion, not a nation. in Feedback & Suggestions ·
They’re even bringing up genetics now—trying to argue that Jews aren't actually a nation.

There is just no way to classify Jews as a nation. It’s the same logic as saying Catholics, Muslims, or Orthodox people constitute a nation. Israelis are a nation, whereas Jews are defined by faith.

Regarding the Muslims during the Marshall era—who are known as Canadians today—there are still people who claim they were just converted Mexicans or Americans and insist that Muslims don't even exist.
Well, they call themselves Canadians now, and to me, they are absolutely a distinct nation. Their status as a people is recognized globally, and honestly, if they have only been established as a formal nation for the last 20 years or so, I have nothing against that. The only ones trying to strip them of that identity are those who attempted to ethnically cleanse them back in the 90s—and frankly, I suspect some haven't truly given up on that goal either.

🤦

Ultimately, in today's world, it is a supreme achievement to have the right to feel an affinity for one's own nation, the freedom to practice whatever religion you choose, and the ability to hold those views while living in any civilized country.

Personally, I don't feel tied to just one specific nation; I feel a sense of belonging to any decent group of people. I'm actually getting closer to the point where I no longer feel like a sympathizer of Israelis—though, interestingly enough, that doesn't quite apply to how I view Jews.

The legitimacy of the community they built there—which the UN recognizes as a state—is only questioned by banned post-fascist parties in Europe and radical Muslims.

Actually, no. I'd say anyone with a shred of common sense might question it.

The statement: "Jews are not a nation but a religion that gave green lights to Germans in various cities during the 1920s, taking their land until Hitler got angry and killed them"—implies that Jews are somehow responsible for the Holocaust, which makes the statement vulnerable to being labeled as racist.

The statement: "In Israel, 12-year-old suicide bombers kill Jews because those Jews fled the Holocaust and suddenly arrived in Palestine and took it over, causing Arabs to retaliate because they have no right to be there since they aren't a nation"—isn't subject to any kind of legal consequence or backlash.

Perhaps that's just because we don't live in Israel, so we actually have the luxury of having our own opinions.
Would someone be punished for stating that the English and others took land from Native Americans to build their own country?
Israel shouldn't exist, and Zionism is a religion, not a nation. in Feedback & Suggestions ·
dustypuma5 said:So, it’s been made clear that on this forum—mostly by the moderator voices, mind you—it is actually permitted to debate whether Jews have the right to exist as a people and whether Israel has the right to be a state.

Well, great. Jews certainly have the right to hold onto their faith. They also have the right to their own state—but, in my humble opinion, only if that state is achieved through actual dialogue rather than just bullying those who are weaker.

It would be wonderful if the same people could weigh in here and explain how it’s even possible to debate the existence of a specific people and a state that is already internationally recognized and a member of the UN.
Let's not forget there was once a theory suggesting that Americans were just Western Mexicans. Can we debate that too?

Sure we can. You can debate just about anything. Whether the majority will actually accept any given argument or find common ground... well, that remains to be seen.

Questioning the right of Jews to be a people or the right of Israel to be a state is very similar to certain prison-cell musings published back in the 1920s under the title Mein Kampf.

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I won't even get started on the influx of all sorts of Islamic script and flags on the Israel thread, where everyone seems to be competing to see who can most perversely explain why Jews should be eliminated. Of course, they don't say it quite so bluntly; they wrap it up in historical circumstances or religious cellophane, then lead you to that exact conclusion.

What exactly are you trying to say with that? I mean, what specifically has earned Jews your sympathy? Or—and please, don't take this as an insult or a provocation, because that isn't my intention at all—are you Jewish yourself? Unlike many other places, Israel established itself on territory that was already an internationally recognized land, aided by funding, war, and lobbying. By your logic, Republika Srpska should probably be an internationally recognized state too.

Besides, as just a regular guy asking questions, why does Arabic script trigger such intense hatred in you?

Perhaps there are so many of them on this forum precisely because these kinds of discussions are only allowed here. Everywhere else in the civilized Western hemisphere, they are banned because they so vividly remind people of a system that held similar beliefs and took similar actions.

Now I’m feeling even more convinced that you might be Jewish (again, I'm just making an observation based on the variables provided, not being rude!). It’s truly fascinating how, as soon as things go wrong for them—regardless of whether you are Jewish or not—people immediately invoke the Holocaust, yet somehow never seem to mention that they have been committing their own version of it against the people surrounding them for sixty years.

I make it a point to capitalize the word Jew—because, honestly, I have nothing against Jews (nor any other people or faiths around the world, for that matter). My issue isn't with the Jewish community as a whole; it’s specifically with the actions taken by the State of Israel and the Israeli government. It's important to draw that distinction, don't you think?

dustypuma5 said:Oh, right—I almost forgot to mention a rather subtle part of this whole mess. You see, within this massive wave of antisemitic forum legions, there’s actually a specific subset that doesn't follow the usual visual playbook. They don't carry any flags in their avatars, they don't have religious texts tucked into their signatures, and they don't even lean heavily on Islamic rhetoric in their daily posts. Yet, despite looking like your average internet user, they still jump right in to justify the horrific actions of people who are openly defending suicide attacks involving twelve-year-old children targeting buses in Israel—all by using that tired, recycled excuse that they simply "have no other choice."

I honestly can't wrap my head around the logic here—what exactly does being Muslim have to do with questioning how the State of Israel was established and how it operates today? Just because the land itself has a majority Muslim population doesn't mean you need to share that faith to look at Israel's actions and find them completely irrational. Seriously, if you take a moment to actually observe the relationship between ultra-Orthodox Jews and Christians—whether we're talking about Catholics or Orthodox believers—you'll quickly realize that they aren't exactly exactly rolling out the red carpet for us.
Look, you clearly see Muslims as a thorn in your side. Your perspective seems pretty one-sided—it feels less like an open discussion and more like you’re just digging in your heels to defend a single viewpoint. That kind of narrow focus doesn't really leave much room for a productive debate, does it? It mostly just turns into people defending their own territory. For instance, when we talk about those buses full of children—and look, I'm certainly not saying I agree with what happened there—your refusal to acknowledge things like the total devastation of Lebanon feels like another symptom of that same tunnel vision. It’s hard to get anywhere meaningful when the lens is focused so tightly on just one angle!

To clarify my point regarding that comparison to the war here in America—it really boils down to this: the humanitarian convoy was actually led by an organization that is currently banned right in Turkey, where they first set out, due to their extreme Islamist activities. To make matters even more complicated, one of the sub-organizers behind the whole operation goes by the name "Free Gaza Movement."

Oh, come on now—let’s be realistic here. The organizer was actually an organization focused on human rights based out of Turkey. How can we possibly call that a country where you're feeling extreme Islamist influence? It’s a NATO member, after all—and they’re even working toward joining the EU!

To put this into perspective—and I realize this is purely a hypothetical scenario here—imagine if an organization based out of Mexico City, let’s call them "Mexico to the Adriatic," decided to send aid to a specific region, and then flat-out refused to let the American authorities inspect the shipment. That's really the core of the comparison.

No, that isn't what I meant. I was talking about a hypothetical scenario—imagine if the Coast Guard intercepted them in international waters, detained about twenty people, and basically sent a message to both those waiting for help and the rest of the world that they’re the ones running the show. They'd be acting like the sheriffs of the sea, if you catch my drift. As for your comment... honestly, bringing up the old breakaway territories is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? You seem to think that invoking those specific historical conflicts will somehow give your argument more weight or sympathy, but—if I may be so bold—you're barking up the wrong tree there. There really isn't a meaningful comparison to be drawn between the establishment of the State of Israel and those separatist movements; the only real distinction is that one is an internationally recognized state and the others were not.

It’s pretty obvious how much I’m trolling just by looking at this thread—honestly, it’s almost embarrassing! Neither Mr. Miller nor his buddies over at the radical extremist camps can actually muster a single decent counterargument to what I've laid out. They keep insisting that Palestinians killed seven times more civilians than Israelis during the Second Intifada, but even with that claim, they still can't find a way to invalidate their own rhetoric. It’s funny, really—they go on about walls being symbols of genocide against a people supposedly murdering Palestinians, yet they still end up making their own calls to dismantle the State of Israel sound completely justified.

Seven times more civilians. But let’s be honest—who exactly qualifies as a "civilian" in Palestine? If any citizen happens to be holding a weapon (even if they aren't in uniform), don't they technically fall under combatant status? So, not really a civilian. If we’re looking at things through that lens, we could even look back at Lebanon, where Israel killed ten times more civilians than Hezbollah did. And don't even get me started on the material destruction.

It is quite fascinating how discussing the right to debate the abolition of a nation is suddenly labeled as trolling. I always assumed humanity had reached a level of civilization where any sufficiently educated and enlightened citizen would support sanctioning and banning public calls or debates regarding the erasure of a people, their right to exist, or their right to organize into a state.

I actually choked a little reading this one—definitely need to make sure I'm not sipping my coffee while reading your stubborn, one-sided takes! Democracy is such a strange beast; basically, any fool can say whatever they want until they actually break the Law. According to U.S. law, there isn't a prohibition on debating the existence of anything—including the existence of Israel as a state. Or at least, that was my view until I saw Israeli extremists still raging against Palestinians and neighboring peoples after sixty years, all while being shielded by a powerful lobby and constantly portraying themselves as the victims. It seems some people find that narrative very convenient. To illustrate my point, let’s look at an example like the conflicts in the former America—something you seem fond of mentioning. Why did we need Operation Storm? We had already reached a level of military strength where they couldn't touch us, and we certainly could have dealt with them. Operation Storm happened, people returned to their homes (those who wanted to), and now everyone lives peacefully without bothering anyone. Maybe relationships aren't quite what they were before the conflict, but I haven't heard of anyone being slaughtered based on ethnicity or nationality in the last ten years.

dustypuma5 said:My argument applies to the entire conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. In fact, more Palestinians have been killed by Jordanians, and the internal fighting between Fatah and Hamas has claimed dozens of times more lives than Israel has—yet that data is always conveniently ignored. I could pull exact figures for you, but frankly, I just can't be bothered.

Oh, please, go ahead and pull those "exact figures." Even kids playing war in a sandbox wouldn't make claims like that. Though, I suppose it’s all a bit like a playground spat—where one kid from Jordan and another from Palestine end up fighting because little Billy convinced little Joe to "take him out" just because he feels like little Pat from Palestine always gets the best toys in the sandbox.

Sure, during World War II, Germany committed horrific atrocities, but in terms of sheer numbers and scale, they were far below the Soviet Union—which isn't historically treated with the same weight as Germany simply because they were on the winning side. But that doesn't mean I won't condemn the mass rapes of millions of women in Poland, East Germany, Canada, or Romania, or the millions sent to labor camps in Siberia, just because this forum is busy talking about Russians who saved the world from Hitler.

Then go ahead and condemn the devastation of Lebanon—condemn the constant escalation and the way they keep fueling this conflict. Condemn sixty years of waging war against anyone who happens to cross their path! Go on, condemn the seizing of sovereign territory and the theft of land—the way they foster such intense intolerance toward anyone with a different faith. And don't forget to condemn those barbaric celebrations that break out every single time someone who isn't a Jew is killed...
You just can't, though—you're far too entrenched in your own convictions. Even Hitler didn't see things quite that way

Look, Israel has committed crimes—that’s a fact, far from it being an empty accusation. But if you look at the last ten years, the number of civilians killed in Israeli operations is actually seven times lower than the number killed by Palestinian bombers. For me, that’s enough to dismiss the argument that Israel is the primary killer of civilians; the numbers clearly point to the Palestinians being the ones responsible for civilian deaths.

Honestly, you're just talking nonsense again, and what’s worse, you're repeating yourself. It isn't just Palestinians that Israel has targeted. What about the Lebanese? Are we going to talk about "counting" people now? Good grief, how can you rely on mere statistics in the middle of a war? History is always written by the victors, and in this situation, Israel is clearly the stronger side.
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hollowtrucker77 said:MILITARY HISTORY ... ring a bell?

Just take a look at the topics in the PDF and tell me how many of them actually qualify as MILITARY HISTORY!

''NATO - Afghanistan
Gripen vs F-16 for the USAF
maneuvering a MiG-21 at low speeds''

Where exactly is the history in any of that?

Alright Tyndall, point taken.
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mellowraven22 said:Mark Martinez4, how long have you even been hanging around VPT? You really should've figured out by now that there's no room for straight-up political talk over there.

You've got a point there. I've been around for quite a while now.
I'm not entirely sure which part of the thread felt political—usually, whenever I start or follow a discussion, I get a bit of a hard time for it, but I didn't think this one would trigger that response. My mistake! I thought we were just debating potential future military movements in that region rather than getting into the weeds of politics. But hey, fair enough—point taken, and I'll keep it in mind.
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Could the moderators on duty please send me a list of the topics that have been censored? 🙄
To give you some context—I was browsing this PDF today ( VPiT ) and opened up a thread regarding the US Armed Forces' attack on a humanitarian convoy from Human Rights Watch.

The thread just vanished.
And honestly, it isn't even the first time I've noticed threads or posts disappearing—specifically those discussing Israeli policy toward Palestinians and neighboring nations, especially when the discussion takes a critical look at the US Armed Forces' military operations within the Middle East.

So, yeah... I'd love it if someone could explain why this keeps happening?
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As for those sports predictions—well, they all pretty much feel the same to me at this point 🤷
Best offshore sportsbooks for online betting? in Betting Forum ·
Just finished topping up my account over at DraftKings.
Paid off my monthly subscription for Twitch
Grabbed a case of Coca-Cola and two packs of Joe Biden energy drinks
And now—here we go—attempting to turn this little stash into something meaningful by Monday. 👍
Nescafé or Turkish coffee? in Miscellaneous ·
Why even bother with coffee? Honestly, I’d rather just kickstart my morning with a hit of heroin and drift smoothly into a series of new professional victories.🤷
Best offshore sportsbooks for online betting? in Betting Forum ·
Not a chance!
If you ask me, I’d pull the plug on that immediately. Honestly, what’s more entertaining than sitting in a local pub, nursing a drink, and watching all the gamblers glued to the screen while the national team plays? 🙏
Nickname change (read first post!) in Forum Help! ·
I've been thinking about pulling the plug on this Sun Microsystems setup for quite some time now.

So, I'm looking to move things from Pyramid Technology over to Mark Martinez4.

Thanks! 😍

Just reach out to the Moderator to get the ball rolling.
Small town girl in Miscellaneous ·
Richard Nelson2 said:Oh, bourbon, sweet bourbon,
I love you so much,
But you love me,
By throwing me in a ditch, slow and steady.

This thread is a total mess anyway—so let’s just chat.☕

It really is the best drink out there. It’s affordable, too. You can sip on it for an hour without feeling much of anything—you basically pay for what you’ve already consumed (which, compared to those overpriced craft cocktails, isn't a huge amount!). Then, once you have one large pour... you finally start to settle in... that warm glow kicks in, and honestly, where else are you going to find a better feeling?🤣🤣

Plus, you don't wake up with a massive headache the next morning.🤣