ambersailor85 said:Maybe it's some kind of punishment then—like they physically can't feed themselves. But clearly, that new info isn't sinking in, because people don't eat with their hands, they use their heads. It's probably like being blind—they just don't see the obstacles in front of them.
True, but when someone is selfish and greedy, once they realize there's nothing left to take from you, they aren't gonna stick around to help.🙂
If Person A has a spoonful of food and Person B has none, Person A isn't exactly thinking, "Hey, let me give this to them, maybe they'll share their spoon later."
So basically, it comes down to a lack of trust, suspicion, and greed.
If you've got Person A who's broke and Person B who's loaded, Person B isn't gonna hand anything over if they're just selfish, greedy, and tight-fisted.🤷
I suppose there are certain people out there who seem to possess these incredibly beautiful thoughts and a way of writing that looks quite impressive on paper. But then, once they actually attempt to translate those lofty ideas into reality... well, it usually turns into a complete disaster. It’s a bit of a mess, really. I guess even something like *Mein Kampf* might not be such a terrible piece of work if you look at it strictly from a purely literary standpoint... it's just a shame the author didn't stick solely to literature.
Morgan Gonzalez56 said:Helping someone when they didn't ask for it is actually a very subtle, sneaky way to manipulate them.☕
I mean, maybe you can help someone without them asking, but then you shouldn't be making such a huge production out of it. You know? Like, don't go ringing every bell in the house to announce "look at me, I helped," and then expect some kind of big thank you or a favor in return later on. 😉
The soul is an eternal atman, the true self—so it really can't be "diseased." Or maybe I'm just running into a terminology issue here... I guess when we say soul (psyche), we actually mean the mind? Because the mind can certainly be unhealthy if it isn't "awakened," which is to say, if it’s cluttered with nonsense instead of dwelling within the self that everyone possesses. In that sense, everyone is technically "enlightened," though some people might not realize it simply because they haven't "awakened" yet. Yogis seem to think that aligning the soul with the body is a prerequisite, meaning one has to perform these integrated physical and mental exercises to make spiritual progress, to awaken, or to realize the self. But, I don't know, it seems to me that someone who is truly "awakened" wouldn't even need to worry about the body. I mean, where does the idea that the body even exists come from? It feels like an illusion of the mind, feeling trapped within its own physical shell. In reality, as atman, we are infinite space. ☕
Jeffrey Wilson4 said:I’ve actually sat through both the Prabhupada version and that one translation by Miroslav Marković from back in the day—you know, the one translated from Sanskrit around 1980 (that old US edition from BIGZ 1989). Look, it’s pretty obvious that Bhakti Vedanta Swami Prabhupada wasn't exactly a literature major or a professional translator, but honestly? I’d say there IS NO real difference. But those commentaries on the Gita verses? Yeah, that’s a whole different ballgame.
The Bhagavad Gita—the Song of the Lord—is actually just a piece of the much larger Indian epic Mahabharata (the Epic of Great India), though people usually just buy it as its own standalone thing.
I liked it! I mean, all those ancient religious texts have several layers of truth to them—the Gita included. But since we're talking about texts that are ancient (whether they're 2,500 or 5,000 years old, who knows?), my take is that they carry more historical and literary weight than anything else. Not to mention how much could have been added or stripped away over the centuries... you know, the whole mess of interpreting symbolism correctly through the ages.
Nowadays, looking at humanity as a whole, our global spiritual consciousness is just... different. We have a way bigger, richer vocabulary to work with. Because of that, the Spirit Truth from the Absolute is being revealed through modern prophecy much more clearly and abundantly than was ever possible in previous millennia. I respect the Gita and all the old scriptures, really, but when it comes to actual spirituality, I need things to be "up to date" 🙂
A truly spiritual person should be able to, and maybe even must, bridge that gap of time and culture. Otherwise, we’ll just end up reading everything in some watered-down digest version—like reading the Bible in a picture book, or Dostoevsky as a comic strip... and I suppose such versions only hold informative value, rather than true spiritual depth. They might nudge someone toward finding the original to actually read it. And I guess that counts for something, since reading the full version of "i Chingo" doesn't really serve a practical purpose, whereas Blofeld's condensed version actually sparked a real revolution in the West.
...the simple fact that Julian Assange is still breathing just proves we're right. Look, powers like the USA don't hesitate to take out entire heads of state, so you really think they wouldn't drag a guy like him through the courts for "threatening national security"? Not unless he's becomes useful to them at the very last second.☕
Here’s how the whole play works:
They find some fanatic with mental issues and indirectly indoctrinate them to sacrifice themselves for the "greater good." The lunatic opens fire, the civilized world acts horrified, the authorities—whoever they actually are—issue an official condemnation... the killer gets tossed into a cage to rot, and that's that.
The wolf is full, and the sheep are still plenty.
If he doesn't get hit by a "bullet from nowhere" pretty soon, you should take everything coming out of that kitchen with a massive grain of salt...
I mean, what kind of single individual has the capacity to get their hands on thousands upon thousands of documents and just release them like that!?
Nobody knows ! Oh, wait (almost forgot)... do two Swedish women remember him!?
PS. It's the exact same story where seven college buddies, acting on their own initiative and using their own cash, armed with nothing but pocket knives, bring down the WTC, the Pentagon, the White House, Congress, and the Bill of Rights—all at once.
The fallout from that little initiative (carried out by totally average nobodies from the same small town) is something the whole world is feeling today. The economic crisis currently shaking the European Union to its core was triggered by that very act. Two days after the attacks, Alan Greenspan flooded the market with "cheap money" by pumping in funds from the Federal Reserve... Everything after that was just a downward spiral of cause and effect...
Sometimes the stupidity is so blinding that you can't see the forest for the trees...
The more mindless or trivial it is, the easier people swallow it...
When you actually stop to think about it, that's the most unsettling part of this whole circus...
😉
It makes you wonder how much this actually benefits Obama. From what I can gather, he basically tripped himself up by trying to act principled during the elections. He claimed he’d end the Bush-era practice of immediately and illegally snatching up every single person globally who poses a threat to U.S. national security. So now, he’s stuck navigating these endless legal proceedings just to get to Julian Assange, because he feels he has to prove he protects American national security without violating sensitive human rights. It honestly smells to me like something cooked up by a faction within the U.S. intelligence agencies that is still clinging to the Bush legacy—not to mention that the elder Bush was once the head of the CIA 😉—so maybe it's just an internal American political power struggle that's spilling out onto the world stage. It reminds me somewhat of that situation involving Mark Rebić, where he was dropping "Allah Akbar" leaflets from a plane, thinking he could pin it on Muslims—specifically Canadians—but he was so ignorant he didn't even know how to correctly say Allah Akbar. 🤣
But I have a feeling Obama will be out of power pretty quickly once he finishes his "job" of printing dollars in a way that wouldn't sit well with any neoliberal conservative, and soon enough, we'll probably see another Bush come back to power, while the Arabs and North Korea get whatever they want. They used to call Bill Clinton "sex between the bushes," so I wonder what they'll call Obama? Maybe "safari in the brush"? (I admit, that sounded a bit racist 😳). The scary part about all of this is that it could easily escalate into a massive global conflict, so I suppose we might find ourselves needing divine intervention and prayer quite soon.😲
I can’t shake the feeling that we’re sliding straight into a period of massive, global upheaval. It feels heavy. Like, how do you even read the signs anymore? If a ghost shows up in the window, does that mean things are finally looking up, going south, or just spiraling into some chaotic, nonsensical mess? And more importantly—if the outcome is a total wreck, what does that actually do to the foundation of our entire civilization? Everything feels like it's hanging by a thread. It’s the kind of question that even Julian Assange wouldn't bother wasting his breath on. Honestly, why would he? 😉
I don't know, man... I’ve got my doubts. Just looking at the absolute circus they've made out of him and how he's handling the whole mess, it just doesn't sit right with me. The image they’re building? It’s being crafted with a steady, calculated hand. Oh, please. He’s playing the noble "victim" card again. Like he’s this selfless martyr who only cares about the greater good, while—get this—he's always telling the "absolute truth." Give me a break. It's such a tired act. People everywhere would probably drop their last dollar just to see him walk free—or they'd empty their bank accounts just to keep him on the job. Seriously, wow. Honestly, does anyone actually *live* anymore? Most people are just going through the motions, drifting from one obligation to the next without ever really being present. It’s like we’re all just ghosts haunting our own lives. I see it all the time—people staring at their phones in coffee shops, physically there but mentally miles away, lost in some digital void. We’re surviving, sure, but truly living? That feels like a luxury most of us can't afford lately. He’s constantly on the move, always drifting around like some kind of guerrilla fighter... for crying out loud. Years spent living off the grid... years of playing this endless game of hide-and-seek with "the system." You know the one—that faceless, headless corporate monster that everyone pretends is real just to feel safe. It’s exhausting. Wake up, world! Open your eyes! That carries way deeper implications than people realize. It means there’s absolutely no way to vet his background or verify anything he says. He’s essentially a ghost—just this mysterious, shadowy figure that doesn't actually exist on any paper trail. You can't audit someone who isn't even there. Top tier! Any rookie cop worth his salt knows that’s the very first thing you check when you're trying to verify anything. It's basic training, really.
This whole circus regarding those assault allegations—which, let's be honest, are practically impossible to prove and don't actually pose any real threat to him—is just a cheap way to manufacture some "victim" persona. It’s a classic move. He gets all the media spotlight he could ever want, and more importantly, it gives him a built-in alibi. Once people actually try to unmask what he's really up to, he can just hide behind this fake victimhood and claim he's being persecuted. It's calculated. Oh, here we go again... back at it with the baseless, low-blow attacks. Just like they were when I first started this whole thing. Seriously? Give me a break! *Sigh.* And those two little graces coming after him? They showed up right on cue... like they were ordered to be there.
The end game here? It’s going to be WikiLeaks becoming a massive global brand. They'll turn into that one "reliable" source everyone points to—the go-to fallback for every major news outlet whenever they need some ammunition to take someone down. Smear campaigns based on this kind of garbage have this terrifying ability to steer public opinion like nothing we've ever seen before. Most of it comes down to those clickbait trash sites—you know the ones. People just scroll through, skim a headline, spend maybe two or three minutes glancing at some nonsense, and suddenly they think they’re experts on how the world works. It's all surface-level junk, but it's enough to brainwash anyone who isn't paying attention.
I’ve got this nagging feeling that they're intentionally clearing the path to let Satan take over other major power centers around the globe. It feels like a setup.
I’m honestly starting to worry that Julian Assange is just some paid mouthpiece—a glorified distraction designed to keep us all from seeing what's actually happening right in front of our eyes.
Look, even if the info being leaked right now turns out to be 100% accurate, it doesn't change a damn thing. It’s just noise.
You have to look at this whole mess through a long-term lens. It’s all about the endgame. You really need to ask yourself who they’re actually going to come after in the end—and more importantly, who the person behind Julian Assange is actually trying to take down. If you look closely enough, the target is already starting to show.
To keep from looking like total suckers, we shouldn't fall for campaigns like "sacrifice a little today to earn a dollar tomorrow"—especially when it's clearly just someone else lining their pockets at our expense. Remember the attacks on the World Trade Center? Just thinking about all the chaos and those endless controversies that followed... man, it’s still heavy.
Think about it. You spend two or three years carefully building this "unquestionable whistleblower" persona, stacking up credibility like you're playing a high-stakes game of Monopoly. Once that happens? You’ve basically unlocked a cheat code. You suddenly have this terrifying level of influence where you can drop whatever manufactured info you want, and people will swallow it whole without even blinking. It's scary how much power that kind of manufactured trust actually gives someone.
They'll be able to manipulate public opinion however they damn well please. It’s all just math to them at this point.
Just making excuses for all kinds of bullshit, wiping out anyone who stands in the way, and pushing through whatever agenda they feel like... it's the same old story.
The theater of illusions is nothing more than a dirty little pond, and let’s be real—only the toughest sharks are ever going to make it out alive.
Who’s actually calling the shots in this game, and who’s just a pawn? Honestly, we'll see. Time tells all.
I’d be careful about diving headfirst into this whole thing. Honestly? I wouldn't trust anything coming out of that kitchen until I saw some proof. Better to keep your guard up. Right now, the intel is useful—it's enough to keep us hanging on. The main thing is making sure they don't completely play us, you know? We can't let them get under our skin. We’ve gotta watch out so that the "knight in shining armor" doesn't pull a fast one and reveal his true colors before we even realize what happened.
Just wait and see how this plays out!
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Exactly. It’s all just such a minor thing, really. If he had actually stepped on the toes of the US government, he would have ended up like Saddam Hussein. I also highly doubt they can actually find Osama bin Laden in those hills; I suspect they just assume having him around is useful, you know, as someone they can constantly point to as a "dangerous enemy" whenever they want to justify doing whatever nonsense they want across the globe.
The end result will be WikiLeaks becoming a brand, or maybe this "reliable" source of information that every media outlet will use whenever they feel like taking a jab at someone.
I suppose I fear the ground is being carefully prepared for the satanization of other power centers around the world...
"Reliable," haha. I guess it doesn't matter if it's actually reliable, just that it becomes famous enough without being tied to any specific country or entity you could actually take to court. In other words, just like how "tax havens" used to exist—places where you could quietly wash dirty money like you're cleaning laundry—now we might see internet information havens. Places where you can set up a server and wage war against whoever you want, and nobody can sue you for libel or hold a major nation accountable... all while calling it "reliable."
I also worry that Julian Assange is just a paid mouthpiece, a sort of mask meant to pull the wool over all our eyes.
The information being released right now might be accurate, but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Maybe the Americans produced him specifically so they could later "strike back" at China or Russia. Because, I think, it's quite significant: the US is losing the economic war to new power centers, and they're losing the information war too. The Russians seem much better at actual physical espionage—you know, the kind where you have to physically deal with someone or seduce them, like some version of Chapmanica (I mean, James Bond is purely a Western fantasy 😁)—while the Chinese are far superior at industrial and military spying; you spend billions on a patent only to realize Mao was right about something. So... the Americans are mostly just better at electronic and satellite surveillance, which costs a fortune and requires controlling space, but who knows how long that lasts. As for Julian Assange, I wonder if he can even work "for whoever pays more," because he'd probably be executed via summary judgment immediately. Honestly, if he ever released anything regarding Israel, it’s almost certain that would happen to him. But when he starts releasing things about Russia or China, he'll likely just "disappear," much like Osama bin Laden did.😲😍
The theater of illusion is basically just a shallow puddle where only the most capable fish manage to pull through.
I suppose we will just have to wait and see who actually turns out to be the shark in this game, and who is merely a minnow.
Well, I guess I have to agree with you there, even if it is mostly because you are probably just as paranoid as I am. But, if one looks at this logically, and considering the kind of world we actually live in... the simple fact that Julian Assange is still breathing suggests we might be right. I mean, forces like the USA go through immense trouble to take down entire heads of state, so it seems unlikely they would drag someone like him into court for "threatening national security" unless he was still somehow useful to them in the end.☕
It’s interesting... I know larger groups have meditated for peace here in the States too. But I guess I’m not entirely sure if prayer—you know, addressing some transcendental being, sometimes even with a specific request in mind—can really be equated to meditation. Meditation doesn't involve any kind of address or asking for things; it's just this general longing for harmony and peace, I suppose. I just know the Roman Catholic Church isn't exactly fond of meditation or yoga; to them, those kinds of things are practically devilry. Yet, what they do themselves and who they choose to back is apparently perfectly fine in their eyes. There was even a claim that Vatican City once stated: "If Bill Clinton is a thief, then so is Pope Benedict XVI".😲😲😲
I'm also curious about the actual meaning behind the word "synarchy" used in this piece regarding Agartha.
Quote : When The Anarchy which exists in Our World is replaced by The Synarchy
Is what they are doing with WikiLeaks an introduction to anarchy, or is it leading toward synarchy, which some people interpret as a cryptocracy—you know, that rule by people operating from the shadows?
mistyotter35 said:It still seems to have absolutely nothing to do with prayer. I suppose one has to wonder if people even grasp what prayer actually represents. The internet is essentially just another medium, much like a newspaper or a magazine. A true believer won't find themselves any more or less devout simply because they have access to the web or don't. Similarly, I don't really believe the internet has been responsible for drawing a significant number of atheists toward faith. If someone becomes religious solely due to information they stumbled upon online, I guess you could say they are somewhat spiritually adrift; in all likelihood, my grandmother could have led them to the same faith without any digital assistance at all.
Prayer is perhaps the final line of defense for the common man against various Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, and those shadowy figures operating behind the scenes. Their project seems to involve creating some kind of globally structured pyramidal state—a new world order, I guess. This project requires them to delay their own gratification, so it’s likely led by people with quite high emotional intelligence, or perhaps they simply lack emotion entirely. On the other hand, this whole scheme is non-transparent, whereas a government is supposed to function democratically and openly. In that sense, it feels similar to organized crime, and these "people in the shadows" often seem to use underworld elements when they need to get dirty work done. This way, we have something non-transparent influencing something that is meant to be transparent, which makes us feel like the state is oppressing us through its laws and policies, even though we, as citizens, should have decisive influence over them rather than these lobbies from the Darkness. Since the government clearly isn't succeeding in curbing these opaque influences through democratic means, we see these hacktivists emerging from the shadows too, seeking an immediate response to power centers that also operate from the shadows—essentially trying to wipe their information off the web via DDoS attacks.
But where does prayer fit into all this? Well, I suppose it would be directed toward God Himself, if He exists, asking Him to thwart the plans of these power centers and shadow figures through transcendent—meaning non-transparent and delayed—intervention. From what I've experienced, prayer can't do that. It doesn't seem to affect them. There is that saying, I think, that "God's power does not pray." But it might affect those people who aren't consumed by power and who still hold onto small grains of goodness. Those types of people still hold real power in the world simply through their sheer numbers, though they aren't organized like hacktivists or shadow power centers. The question is, how do you reach these people and turn them toward your cause? And, of course, is it even possible today to reach them without the internet or money, or without the mediation of the media and material resources? Of course, that assumes you actually believe in the power of prayer and that divine providence works in this world, since there isn't any solid proof that it does or that you will achieve anything through it. Our former President believed in the power of the media and the shadow players, tying his fate to them. Personally, I even prayed and lit a candle at Stone Gate, hoping he and Milan Bandić would just go to hell and lose their power, but it looks like that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the global financial crisis. So, if we believe in the delayed power of prayer, or providence, then the global economic crisis is the response to the non-transparent actions of various "people in the shadows" who, through their power centers, began trying to enslave the world. That is, of course, not counting that quiet mass of indifferent people—those who never show up to vote, never take out loans, and never even surf the internet, but just sit quietly in their homes thinking their own thoughts about all this nonsense.
It seems quite clear to me—even if an internet DDoS attack and prayer are as different as apples and oranges—that online hacktivists build their whole spirituality on transparency and this immediate need for gratification. They just react to whatever stimulus bothers or attracts them right then and there. On the other hand, I guess you could say the spirituality found in prayer is based on something entirely non-transparent (God works in mysterious ways, after all), a belief in transcendental help, and through that, one develops emotional intelligence or the capacity to delay their own desires. Because, regardless of whether (and when) a prayer is actually answered, the person praying is learning how to wait and be patient, which is pretty different from a connected hacktivist looking for instant results.
Maybe we could put together a little chart, where one axis covers transparency and the other deals with the ability to delay gratification:
Well, there it is. You see how it looks? Even apples and oranges can be broken down into more elemental traits, making them look a bit more alike than they seem at first.
mistymoose said:The Internet or prayer? That's the big question right now ☕ It's like comparing apples to oranges 😂
Well, alright then, if that's how you want to look at it: do you prefer an axe to the head or a prayer? The thing is, if you actually go swinging an axe, you're going to end up with the police breathing down your neck, and probably facing some jail time right after. But when you're taking down websites, you don't get sent to prison, even though you're still causing damage to the people you think are responsible for all the mess in the world. I guess the point is that this kind of thing is a form of violence that can't really be punished, yet it acts as a response to the violence being inflicted upon us by powerful institutions—you know, the big banks, insurance companies, massive corporations, intelligence agencies, and the diplomacy of the USA and other nations...
Well, yeah, it’s just like the Inquisition, really. Because if you’re a believer, I guess you just pray to God to grant someone some common sense, and if you happen to be right, then maybe they'll see the light. But if they don't... well, then there's this possibility that perhaps you aren't actually right, or maybe whatever it is you believe just doesn't have the power to turn people toward the truth. Though, I suppose there are those old-fashioned ways too—you know, like mob justice or even murder. It’s honestly quite sick.
I mean, I get what you're saying, but I can't help but wonder why the Catholic Church is staying so quiet about these recent WikiLeaks leaks and that whole Operation Payback situation. It seems to me that groups like ABBA have a duty to be active in the world, acting as messengers of the Holy Spirit within secular society. I don't really doubt which side they'll take, honestly, especially since they operate so discreetly and are such unwavering theists. I highly doubt they'd ever back Assange and those atheist anarchists who are pushing for total transparency across the board—you know, targeting governments, intelligence agencies, banks, and all those major power centers. And if they go after those, it logically follows they'd eventually target spiritual power centers too... like ABBA and the Catholic Church. So, I guess the question is, should we be looking out for some kind of strike from ABBA activists against the WikiLeaks servers? Or maybe other secretive non-state religious or similar organizations might step in too, like the Freemasons, or even the Rosicrucians? 😉
Are you kidding me? I mean, I don't know if you actually don't realize this, or if you're just pretending not to, but the late Pope John Paul II believed that the Virgin Mary herself was responsible for nudging that assassin's bullet aside, just so he could live to see godless communism fall. He also felt—which, granted, is a bit different from what a lot of folks in the KC believe—that the Internet is actually a useful tool for preaching and spreading Christian truths. I suppose if you have even a basic understanding of Christian spirituality, it shouldn't be a question whether the Holy Spirit can work through everything, including the Internet. The real question, I guess, is whether it’s actually the Spirit working through the web right now, or something else entirely... most hacktivists are atheists, I assume, so it makes me wonder if the Holy Spirit is turning against state institutions, or maybe even against the Church itself if it has become godless, or if perhaps Satan is using the Internet to undermine the Spirit and the Western institutions that brought down godless communism.
Or maybe the Internet is just some new, unknown force. Like a divinity of technology. 😁 And yeah, the Holy See server is definitely the holy server, and I don't think that's even a joke, much like this whole business with websites being taken down all over the world.
WikiLeaks really demonstrated just how much power the internet actually holds. This new kind of deity seems to instantly grant wishes to anyone who thinks they can crash an enemy's website through sheer volume of digital prayers—or, you know, DDoS attacks. I guess you don't even have to wait for hell to open up beneath your feet anymore, because you can trigger a total meltdown right here, right now. Maybe paradise will descend upon Earth soon, too? The Catholic Church is probably staying quiet about all this, likely hoping nothing incriminating leaks out about them... though I suspect there's plenty of juicy stuff to find regarding Deus Opus. That is, if the followers there would ever actually dare to rat out their own organization. Honestly, the discipline there seems even more intense than what you'd find at the CIA or al-Qaeda. Looking at something like Scientology, it wouldn't be that hard to take down the Vatican's site or even the Pope's own page if enough people were motivated to do it. Though, I suppose I don't really believe Mary would perform a miracle to keep a website online just because the Holy Server lacks sufficient scalability.
It makes me wonder... is the Holy Spirit working through the internet, or has Satan taken over? Or perhaps we're looking at an entirely new god altogether. I guess it comes down to how you prefer to pray. Do you offer up your server to hacktivists, or do you stick to praying to God, or using a mantra, or some other way? It makes me think that maybe the Supreme Being has some kind of server of His own?
I really only know about Evliya Çelebi. I'm not quite sure how he ended up being called just Evliya, but I do know he was an travel writer. It seems to me that even his surname, Çelebi, translates to "gentleman," which makes his whole name roughly equivalent to "holy gentleman" when you look at it that way. In reality, though, his full name was Evliya ibn Dervish Mehmed Zilli.
OT: When the barking stops, the silence begins. Dogs bark, but the caravans just keep rolling.
I was always taught that the actual truth reveals itself through palindromes (see, for example, D. Oraić-Tolić’s work on the Palindromic Apocalypse). If you apply that logic to the concept of truth, we get:
Truth - a thread
From this, I suppose we can conclude that a person seeking the truth—viewing it as a mere thread—can only truly grasp it through a long series of shifting perspectives, much like the various discussion threads we have here on this forum. I guess even Z. Tomac searched for the red thread, only to find a black one, yet neither held any real truth. 😳 Truth isn't some rigid ideology; it is a sequence, a chain, a thread... perhaps the closest anyone came was Heraclitus, who famously said everything flows and you can't step into the same river twice, though he still didn't quite explain where the river comes from or where it's actually headed. ☕
Larry Wilson5 said:I suppose I’m referring to that inertia when people question gender equality—where men don't even bother asking which sex they are actually being equal to. It serves such a dominant purpose, I guess. Like a heavy grimace holding the whole world together. He doesn't even feel the loneliness; he's just convinced this is how things have to be for men. Maybe I mean the way knowledge was approached by excluding women entirely. This so-called emancipated woman just imitates the man, who, in turn, identifies with dominance, much like an actor playing a lead role. A flock lacks consciousness; it only has the authority that drives it. Perhaps it wouldn't be too much trouble to question all authorities. Yet, people stubbornly follow them in their thoughts, their stances, and what they expect from them. Women possess a masculine nature, and men, a feminine one. We both act for the sake of self-realization, I suppose. The problem with dominance lies in the distortion of a forced masculine nature. A man recognizes the goal; he is the active force of change. A woman is passive—she receives the impulse and recognizes the space and time. Being passive means receiving the abstract, the spirit—that space we observe as receivers of ideas. And while that exists in everyone, in the duality of the sexes, it appears first in women. A woman gives birth to change; she recognizes the space where new things are created. Her approach to ideas and knowledge should therefore remain undisturbed by how knowledge organizes life, both universally and humanly. No social structure for thousands of years has managed to ground the idea of the human and ennoble its form, simply because women weren't involved. All these different structures are just attempts to ground one single idea: the idea of free and equal individuals. Men lose themselves trying to map that idea onto society. They pick winners and losers based on mere practicality. He knows the goal and the will behind the idea, but struggles to force that goal into whatever form is currently at hand. When it comes to liberation, I think the story of Hansel and Gretel is enough. If only we could figure out who the wicked witch is, tempting us with cookies. The fire should be clear from the start. Even though Gretel is enslaved without bars, the moment the fire illuminates the witch, she rushes to help Hansel. And then society changes. Instead of a passive state—one that merely receives—we won't have something that just takes orders. And instead of an active state—one that gives—there won't be "the one expressing a raw personality just to avoid being devoured." Finally, the analyses that are currently suffocating the world might find room for synthesis. And most importantly, if it were easy to see what binds us, we wouldn't be bound. The knot is a loop made of our own convictions. One of them is the belief that we are tied.
From what I can gather, no offense, society only changes in the sense that more and more people seem to be siding with Marica, whom they’re basically fueling with that fire. 😂 Meanwhile, Ivica has just retreated into the woods, where he sits mocking us, because the entire time he was stealing treats from the witch's house, he was just waving around this little stick he affectionately called his "little buddy." 😳😍 And now, everyone blames the wicked witch for being part of some old-school establishment, failing to see that back in her day, there were plenty of cookies to go around—and Marica was always there too—whereas nowadays, you couldn't even fit all the lost kids from downtown Chicago into Marica if you wanted to enslave them and force them to eat your cookies in some flowery, sugary passage, let alone anything more substantial. But, gosh, maybe I misunderstood your parable? 🤷
And, if we flip it around, if Marica chooses to support Ivica, could that actually destroy the witch? 😍🤣 Ivica seems a bit lethargic, I guess, and he needs something to snap him out of it, but the witch just lures him with cookies and doesn't spark any passion in him other than an appetite for eating and getting fat. 😬 That doesn't exactly strike me as feminism, but maybe then Ivica will finally get off his butt and build a better world for Marica?
Larry Wilson5 said:The question is really about a closed-off male world rather than about women. Men are trapped, and the real question is what they are equal to. You talk about a free woman and her approach to the spirit, but you wrap it all in a form that doesn't resonate with women. Just as it doesn't for men. The approach to the spiritual unfolds differently in women and men. Men require certain spiritual techniques that women don't, but if we're talking about social progress, those achievements need to be united. Can a man break free from his isolation?
I suppose when you say a "male" world, you mean a sphere of power dominated by attitudes of opposition and dominance, whereas a "female" world would be characterized by submission and resignation. Even though Western Christianity established submission as its fundamental stance, historically—following the Council of Nicaea—it functioned through dominance and opposition. In the last 300 years, it has leaned mostly toward opposition, which brings it closer to Judaism and Freemasonry, both of which foster an oppositional stance. Nazism was essentially a failed attempt to force Christianity and the West back into a purely dominant posture. On the other hand, Islam has historically occupied both dominant and oppositional roles, though today the dominance seems more pronounced; meanwhile, Eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism tend to develop a resigned attitude, which I guess is necessary for controlling large, impoverished masses. Secularization and the modernization of society just seem to strengthen this oppositional drive, so secular feminism remains stuck within that same loop, unable to trigger a true paradigm shift. It stays stuck on that line of thinking regarding power versus powerlessness, rulers versus slaves, and so on. Since resignation as a stance can't really bring about any renewal, I assume that when you talk about liberating the world through feminine values, you see it as a restoration of a submissive stance—something calling upon the "eternal feminine" within us all, much like how Taoists perceive it, but perhaps without too much dualistic hair-splitting between yang and yin. Taoism really emphasized the importance of a spirituality where a man develops his inner feminine qualities to become more complete. Since everyone carries both "masculine" and "feminine" traits, maybe a new spirituality would assume gender equality where everyone develops their inner submissiveness. This could liberate a civilization currently mired in dominance and opposition. It would lead to a total reversal in thinking where letting go of power and refusing to exploit others becomes desirable, encouraging altruism to such an extent that exploiting anyone would be viewed as a crime. The evolution of human consciousness would likely lead to biological evolution too, where an altruistic human (perhaps *homo sapiens altruisticus*) non-violently displaces—or if I may say, "eradicates," since that is an old-fashioned 😁 paradigm—the old violent and egoistic *homo sapiens*. This would probably happen through a combination of natural talents (like intuition or higher intelligence) and advanced technology, via "emergence" and networked IT systems using a bottom-up principle rather than top-down planning and enforcement. That would be some kind of "brave new world" where there are no wars or crimes, and perhaps even no sex or reproduction as we know it today (sex might mostly be tantric, maybe even without physical contact or perhaps via computer terminals, while reproduction would happen in vitro and in incubators, just so women aren't used as mere biological machines). But then again, people (including women) who have been satiated by their own prosperity following centuries of technological progress without war would probably end up keeping some examples of the former human species—mostly men, I guess—in natural island or "rural Midwest" preserves, just so they could occasionally experience the pleasure of primal, raw passions and physical sex, where unrefined opposition and dominance still prevail.😲🤣
I suppose a man, given his current spiritual state—which seems so heavily built upon this rigid, sharp dualism—might find himself unable to truly break free from isolation. In fact, I suspect his sense of being alone might even deepen. It feels like he’ll eventually end up in a sort of reservation, much like how Native Americans were moved, though perhaps more as a conscious choice within a liberated society. It would be a place where the physical differences between the sexes no longer carry the oppressive, highly ideological weight they seem to hold today.
