Brazil vs. USA - Nov 7, 2010

I’ve been chewing on something that might seem obvious in hindsight, but I haven't truly weighed it as a real possibility until now. There are two primary variables keeping the title contenders up at night:

- Fernando is running on an engine with questionable durability (this will be his fifth race on this power unit, right?) and it wouldn't be a shock if it just gives up the ghost. If that happens, Red Bull holds all the cards because they essentially have fate on their side.

- On the flip side, Red Bull is currently embroiled in an internal team war. Despite everyone's public denials, it wouldn't be out of the question to see a collision reminiscent of what happened in Abu Dhabi. In that scenario, Fernando takes the upper hand, as he can drive with total composure without worrying about whether his engine is going to blow.

But what if both scenarios play out simultaneously? Then Lewis Hamilton could legitimately clinch the championship, and it wouldn't just be a matter of math.

Jason Campbell70 said:Lately, it feels like we've got two drivers constantly whining about not getting fair treatment and claiming the team isn't backing them up.

That would be:
-Fernando Alonso - back in 2007, and especially 2006 since he was leading the charge and eventually snatched the championship
-Mark Webber, who hasn't missed a single chance this year to point out how the crew isn't pulling for him.

Now, you can't really compare him to Fernando when it comes to being a total crybaby, but even he’s turned into quite the whiner himself.

I mean, even this gentleman hasn't complained nearly as much.

But that guy? He actually knows how to really let it out.

You're not being realistic, man. It's not being a crybaby to say the team isn't behind you...
And honestly, screw Alonso. Everywhere he goes, he finishes first—he's basically the top driver anywhere that isn't Mercedes.

But with Mark Webber, it's true, nobody is standing behind him, and they've shown that more than just once...

I guess we just have different definitions of what a crybaby is.

Joshua Newman2 said:I’ve been sitting here chewing on something that might be super obvious, but I haven't really looked at it as a real possibility until now. There are basically two big headaches for anyone chasing the driver's title right now:

- Fernando is out there pushing an engine that’s looking pretty questionable—this is gonna be his fifth race on this same unit, right?—so it wouldn't be a shock if it just gives up the ghost. If that happens, Red Bull basically wins by default because they'll have fate on their side.

- On the flip side, you've got this whole internal civil war brewing over at Red Bull. Even though everyone swears they're playing nice, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we see some "Turkey-style" chaos on track. In that scenario, Fernando is the king because he can just cruise and drive smooth without sweating whether his engine is gonna blow.

But man, what if both things happen at once? Then Lewis Hamilton could actually snatch the championship, and I mean that literally, not just on paper.

Man, those idiots at Red Bull remind me of when Fernando and Lewis were getting absolutely wrecked by Kimi Räikkönen a few years back....

So, unfortunately, Fernando is still my top pick for the title....🙄

These guys won't even start doing the math until there are like 10 laps left in the season. 🙄

Joshua Newman2 said:I’ve been chewing on something that might be obvious, but I haven't really looked at it as a real possibility until now. There are two big headaches for anyone chasing the driver's title:

- Fernando is running an engine with questionable reliability (this will be his fifth race on this one, right?) and it wouldn't surprise me if it blew. If that happens, Red Bull wins by default because they basically hold fate in their hands.

- On the flip side, Red Bull is dealing with an internal team war right now. Despite how much everyone swears otherwise, it wouldn't be out of the question to see a collision similar to what happened in Turkey. In that scenario, Fernando takes it because he can just drive steadily without worrying if his engine is going to give up on him.

I wouldn't look at it that way.
People have speculated about this and every other scenario before, and it rarely ever pans out.

For both of them, the main concern is the other two drivers.
Fernando has the luxury of a points lead. He doesn't actually need to win to secure the championship.
The guys at Red Bull don't have that option. Only a win provides the massive points haul they both need to overtake the leaders.

The math is pretty straightforward; all the combinations are already worked out, and they know exactly what each one needs to do.

Personally, I'd focus more on the power balance in Abu Dhabi, the track layout, and things like that. That's where the real story is.

Douglas Parker61 said:I never actually thought that—it was just because of the username. Honestly, I haven't met a single person who roots for Kimi Räikkönen without also having massive respect for Lewis Hamilton.

Come on, don't be ridiculous

Kimi Räikkönen and Lewis Hamilton were easily the two most dominant drivers on the track over the last decade—hands down.

Anyone who truly appreciates Kimi Räikkönen can't help but admire Lewis Hamilton, especially considering how he went toe-to-toe with Fernando Alonso right out of the gate during his rookie season.

rustystag7 said:If you look closely enough, every top-tier team seems to have their own little drama queen...

Just looking at the lineup—every single powerhouse has one of those types...

Red Bull has Sebastian Vettel, McLaren has Lewis Hamilton, Ferrari has that idiot Fernando Alonso, and Williams has Barrichello.

You totally forgot Mercedes! Is that because they only have one diva in the whole crew? 🤣

rustystag7 said:Hey cosmicridge5—look, it’s all good! I totally respect you jumping down my throat like that over the Severina thing—no hard feelings at all.

Comparing that ice-cold Australian to that little whiner is like saying the forum background is yellow—it just doesn't even make sense!

Every single time things go south, that guy just completely falls apart... honestly—it's becoming a bit of a pattern!

I still can't get over that moment when Gordon behaved like Mark Webber was the crazy one—just because he didn't move out of the way! Such a classic. 🙄

Look, let me be clear—if there’s anyone here actually being objective, it’s me. I don't really root for either side—just here for the ride!

Look, I’m definitely rooting for someone here—I'm certainly not out to root against Fernando Alonso! 🤷

Oh, and I was also thinking about sending my resume over to Red Bull—maybe they'll hire me just so there’s at least one person on the team actually rooting for Mark Webber! 🤷

It’s honestly kind of wild how that cold-blooded Aussie can be such a crybaby—meanwhile, you've got Sebastian Vettel, who is always talking about grit, yet he just doesn't seem to have it. 😁

cosmicridge5, you really cracked me up! 🙏

Look, cosmicridge5—a guy like that just can't be called a coward. He’s either a total kamikaze or a straight-up killer—I mean, you can say anything else about him, but he's definitely not some soft, sensitive type!

I'm not even sure how you stumbled onto this Formula 1 forum—honestly, claiming Sebastian Vettel is more of a softie than Mark Webber is easily one of the funniest things I've ever read.

Honestly, it feels like Mark Webber has been complaining since the day he entered Formula 1—just a constant stream of gripes!

Man, they love to talk trash about everyone else—meanwhile, they’re out there making the exact same ridiculous mistakes themselves. It's actually kind of wild!

So, they're actually nervous about driving if the track gets even a little bit damp—and honestly, after what we saw, I can't say I blame them! 🙂

Gary Palmer8 said:Man, I honestly have no idea how you even ended up on an F1 forum, but saying Sebastian Vettel is more of a softie than Mark Webber? That’s hands down the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read.

Man, Mark Webber has been whining since the day he stepped foot in Formula 1.

Man, this guy loves to talk trash about everyone else, but then he goes out and pulls stunts that are just straight-up ridiculous. It’s actually kind of wild to watch.

So, yeah... honestly, he’s terrified of hitting the track if it gets even a little bit damp. And I mean, after what we all saw, can you really blame him? It's one thing to talk about grip, but it's another thing entirely when things actually go sideways like that. We've all seen the footage. Once you see how unpredictable it gets, you just don't want to be the one out there when the surface turns slick. 🙂

Maybe it sounds kinda ridiculous, but honestly... it’s the truth.😉

Seriously, you guys can't even handle it when someone calls out your favorite driver without turning it into a massive flame war? It’s wild.🤷

Look, I don't really care who’s scared of what—I keep saying that over and over—it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, all that noise is just talk. What actually matters is what gets shown out on the track.
Favorites only exist on paper, man. Honestly, that blue car is nothing more than a pretender when you look at how they actually stack up against Mark Webber.🙏

I mean, when the entire team gets caught up in some drama for whatever reason, you can't really act surprised when the media starts losing its mind over it... it's just how things work.🙏
Look, from what I can see, Mark Webber isn't some kind of pushover on the track or anything. He actually drives. 🙏

At the end of the day, if I had to pick, it’d be Mark Webber. There's just something about that dynamic—having a teammate right there in front of you. But honestly, the real rush? It’s beating the competition and outperforming the guy sitting in the other garage, especially when the entire team is basically banking everything on him.

I mean, at the end of the day, I think we can all pretty much get on the same page here, regardless of whose side you're pulling for.

rustystag7, have you actually watched anyone this season besides your precious Felipe Massa?

Mark Webber isn't some crybaby. 🤣🤣🤣

What about all that whining regarding how he’s treated by the team? He hasn't had a single mechanical failure this season—not one damn thing went wrong in his pit box—unlike the absolute mountain of failures Sebastian Vettel has dealt with. Yebote, if the roles were reversed, I'm positive Mark Webber would have cried his way into dethroning the untouchable Fernando Alonso. 🙏

And don't even get me started on his whining in Korea. That guy isn't just a crybaby; he's actually using his position as head of the drivers' association to fuel his tantrums. 🙄
In the most important race of the year, he spins off the track like a rookie driver having their first go in Formula 1 🙄 and then has the nerve to start trash-talking his own team. 🙏

That race was peak entertainment for me, especially Lewis Hamilton’s response to Mark Webber’s complaining, basically saying: "I'm thinking about heading into the pits for some Slick tires" 🤣—I mean, it's a rainy race, people, what are we waiting for? 🙏

I might not even like little Lewis Hamilton, but he stays in my good books just because of that one comment. 🤣

Eto, here is how I see the alternate reality playing out:
Red Bull with Fernando Alonso and Mark Webber—they wouldn't even touch the constructors' title, let alone the driver's championship.
Ferrari with Felipe Massa and Sebastian Vettel—Sebastian Vettel wins the title without breaking a sweat.

Red Bull with Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso—honestly, who knows, but they'd probably sweep both titles; the only question is which one takes the driver's trophy.
Ferrari with Mark Webber and Felipe Massa—please, give me a break. They'd be struggling behind Williams, assuming Felipe Massa ended up with a few more points than Mark Webber.

stormybadger8 said:rustystag7, have you even watched this season besides following your precious Felipe Massa or what?

Mark Webber isn't just some whiner. 🤣🤣🤣

I mean, look at him complaining about being treated differently within the team when he hasn't had a single mechanical failure this season—not one screw-up in the pits—compared to all the absolute garbage failures Sebastian Vettel has dealt with. Yebote, if the roles were reversed, I’m positive Mark Webber would be whining so much he'd have stripped the untouchable Fernando Alonso right off his throne. 🙏

And that whining from Mark Webber back in Korea? You didn't see that. That guy isn't just a crybaby; he's actually using his position as drivers' representative to fuel his own whining. 🙄
In the biggest race of the year, he spins off the track like some rookie driver experiencing Formula 1 for the first time 🙄 and then still has the nerve to talk trash about his own team. 🙏

For me, that race was peak entertainment, especially that line from Lewis Hamilton reacting to Mark Webber’s complaining, something like: "I'm thinking about heading to the pits for some Slick tires" 🤣—I mean, it's a rainy race, people, what are we waiting for?

Little Lewis Hamilton—I don't even like the guy—but just because of that comment, he stays in my good books. 🤣

Eto, I'm convinced the situation would go like this:
Red Bull - Fernando Alonso and Mark Webber wouldn't even touch the constructors' title, let alone fight for the championship.
Ferrari - Felipe Massa and Sebastian Vettel - Sebastian Vettel wins the title without a hitch.

Red Bull - Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso - honestly, who knows, but they'd probably grab both titles; the only question is who takes the drivers' trophy.
Ferrari - Mark Webber and Felipe Massa - man, what a joke, they'd be trailing behind Williams, assuming Felipe Massa had maybe two or three times more points than Mark Webber.

Look, man, reading your posts, it's obvious you just can't stand Mark Webber, so you aren't being objective at all...

What are we even talking about? Of course Mark Webber is going to shout from the rooftops that he isn't getting equal treatment in the team—he's trying to put public pressure on Red Bull.

If you have even a shred of sense, you'll realize this is Mark Webber's last shot at a title, and the team is going to dig deep to make sure he gets it by any means necessary. Naturally, he's going to be on edge when he's not getting equal footing in the garage.

It's crazy to talk about "what ifs," though. Last season everyone was saying Kimi Räikkönen would overtake Felipe Massa, and that didn't happen. The season before, people thought Fernando Alonso would take the title at Mercedes ahead of Lewis Hamilton, but someone else took it.

But for me, it's just hard to wrap my head around the idea that when you're leading the standings, the team isn't standing right behind you...

I think these issues and the technical glitches—if Mark Webber didn't have them, it's pure luck. Nobody sabotages a car or messes up in the pits on purpose, but you can see things happening in certain situations, like that famous wing incident...

That's how you see what a team is really capable of doing...
I'd bet my right hand that if the situation were flipped, Mark Webber would have been the number one driver before the second race even started, and that's that.🙏

but seriously, who’s actually gonna take the fall if Fernando Alonso clinches the title???

and man, just think back to all that mess with Sebastian Vettel when he squeezed Mark Webber and basically robbed the guy of first place....

I pretty much checked out right when everyone started claiming Mark Webber was the one at fault for that whole incident...

look, man, if you managed to sneak past someone and now you're trying to act like you earned it, just stay in your lane because nobody sane is gonna move for you....

it's just racing....

and Lola is just trying to grab a spot and ends up diving right at Mark Webber....

then it goes on to show how crazy Mark Webber is being... I mean, where else does that happen, Yebote, only in Formula 1...

It's a far cry from saying Mark Webber is some kind of god-tier driver because he isn't, and honestly, neither is Sebastian Vettel right now—if those two were actually on the same level, the title would already be locked up and we wouldn't even be talking about this, since they've got that absolute rocket ship of a car this season....

but hey, I eto picked Mark Webber's side because I know if he wants that championship, he's gotta step it up way more than Sebastian Vettel, and if you ask me, that's just how it is.

Joshua Newman2 said:- Fernando is running on a questionable engine (this will be his fifth race on this specific unit, right?) and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it blew. If that happens, Red Bull takes the win because they'll have destiny on their side.

I highly doubt he'll be stuck with that particular engine. They have the one from Spa-Francorchamps (which hasn't been through a full race distance yet). Plus, there's the first engine from Bahrain, which I assume they haven't pushed to the limit during free practice—assuming they even used it at all.

Who cares? Ferrari fans whining again 🤦

rustystag7, don't even bother, you'll have a much smoother ride later 🙂

rustystag7 said:Look, cosmicridge5, a guy like that just can't be described as a coward. He’s more like a kamikaze or a straight-up killer. I mean, sure, you could argue that anything goes, but calling him a wimp or some soft, overly sensitive type? That's just not it.

Look, Tomy, you can't exactly use someone's headshot as proof of their character. 🤣 That approach was abandoned back in the Dark Ages. 😁

So you're judging a driver based on his looks? Honestly, you’re doing worse than I am. 🤣

rustystag7 said:At the end of the day, if I had to pick, Mark Webber was my guy. There’s something interesting about having a teammate right there in front of you, but nothing beats the actual rush of beating the competition—especially when you're going up against a teammate who has the entire team's full support behind them.

I guess you have to wonder about Mark Webber's attitude toward the team—especially considering they’re the ones who gave him that beast of a car and actually made his championship dreams feel possible for a few days there. 😛Honestly, it’s all just some kind of cosmic joke. 🙏

Man, you can always count on Fernando Alonso to turn on his own team the second things stop going according to plan. Honestly, maybe Mark Webber should be the one giving him some pointers on how to actually follow team orders. 🤣 Unlike Mark Webber, Fernando Alonso actually has the driving talent to back it up, so I guess that gives him at least some legitimate grounds for all his constant complaining.

rustystag7 said:I mean, looking at all those technical glitches and pit lane disasters... if Mark Webber hadn't been there, it might have just been pure luck. I guess nobody actually goes into the garage intending to screw things up on purpose, but still.

I guess Mark Webber only has more points because Sebastian Vettel kept dealing with those ridiculous mechanical failures. If that hadn't happened, Sebastian would have absolutely eaten Mark Webber for breakfast. He’s smaller, faster, more reliable, and honestly, way more mentally stable than Mark Poletark.

Is the team not backing Mark Webber enough? 🤦 Aside from him being way too much of an asset... honestly, in any other decent team—and I don't mean just "normal" teams, but absolutely any other outfit on the grid—Mark Webber would have been fired or at least given a serious dressing down by now because of how he carries himself. Instead, Red Bull is basically just letting him get away with everything. 🤦

I truly believe Mark Webber’s only "crime" here is that he refuses to play the role of the loyal sidekick just because he's neck-and-neck in the standings with the designated number one. 👍

Should Red Bull fire him just for complaining? That’s their call if they want to deal with it. For years, teams like Ferrari and Renault have paired a top-tier driver with a secondary one just to prevent internal warfare. But if his contract doesn't mandate it, and he isn't willing to comply, I don't see why we should expect him to act as Sebastian Vettel's shadow. Is this simply a case of Red Bull miscalculating, only to find out by accident that Mark Webber is far too good? 🤷 Fine, nobody is disputing that Vettel has more raw talent. And nobody is denying that Vettel's car has been plagued by reliability issues for two years straight. However, the champion is the one who scores the most points, not necessarily the one with the most potential. Look at Kimi Räikkönen in that glass-cannon McLaren. And while we're talking about Kimi, think back to 2008, when Felipe Massa managed his car significantly better despite having arguably less talent. Under the logic people are using now, shouldn't Massa have ignored the fact that he held more points than Kimi for most of the season and just felt grateful to Ferrari for giving him a car that exceeded his abilities? Should he have played second fiddle to Kimi out of pure gratitude just because Kimi was the "talented" one with fewer points? Give me a break... 🤦

Last year, there were thousands of posts dragging Jenson Button, claiming he was just a mediocre driver riding a superior machine and only winning because of it. People conveniently ignored the fact that this is Formula 1, not boxing; a driver and a car are a single package where neither component functions effectively in isolation.

This year, however, the criticism is aimed at Webber, suggesting he's an average driver in a dominant car who has the audacity to contend for the title even though he's sitting ahead of a brilliant young driver in that very same car. (Should he be ashamed of having the honor of driving a championship-winning car just because he happens to have more points than his more talented teammate?) On top of that, people argue Vettel would be leading if his car hadn't broken down. That's a non-sequitur. He probably would be, but he isn't. The reality on the track remains unchanged: Webber is ahead of Vettel. Is it his fault Vettel’s car keeps failing? Should he suppress his competitive edge and tuck his tail between his legs just to ease some collective guilt because his own car is more reliable?
I'll say it again: give me a break. 🤦

Joshua Newman2 said:I honestly think Mark Webber's only fault is that, as a real racer, he refuses to accept being number two while he's still neck-and-neck in points with someone being forced into the number one spot.

Love you like a brother, Joshua, but man, you're totally missing the point here.😁

If you haven't noticed Webber's character flaws by now, there's no point in me listing them—you can't describe the sun to a blind man.🙂

And about that other thing—give me some actual examples (besides that famous wing incident everyone’s already written books about) that prove Red Bull is forcing Webber into second place.

This just goes to show how a lie, if repeated enough times by a delusional Webber, eventually becomes the truth.😁

Remember the 2008 season when Felipe Massa managed the car's potential much better despite having significantly less talent? Following this logic people keep pushing, shouldn't Massa have ignored the fact that he had more points than Kimi Räikkönen for most of the season and just been grateful to Ferrari for giving him such an incredible car? Was he supposed to act as Kimi Räikkönen's second driver out of gratitude because Kimi has more talent despite fewer points? Give me a break... : facepalm:

WTF?! Did anyone actually say Mark should be pulling over for Sebastian Vettel? Or that he should ignore his points lead? Who is saying that?😕

And who's claiming Webber should play the role of the secondary driver even though he's ahead on points?! Personally, I'd say it's perfectly fine (and likely what will happen!) for Vettel to let Mark through in the final race if he's that close to the title...

It seems to me you're actually just upset that Mark hasn't been officially designated the number one driver yet.😁 Honestly, I find Red Bull's approach completely understandable and justified. Mark is the type of guy where he'd need a massive (meaning, way larger than what he has now) points lead before anyone would reasonably dare to put all their chips on him.😁 😁

Besides, logically and tactically, it makes more sense to go all-in on Vettel—even if he's trailing Mark in points (since he mostly loses points due to bad luck rather than mistakes)—than to bet everything on Mark just because of the standings... if we're being honest.😉
Of course, we're talking about a situation where both guys are still very much in the championship hunt.

Last year, thousands of posts were written bashing Jenson Button because people claimed he was just a mediocre driver winning because of a superior car. Naturally, they ignored the fact that this is Formula 1, not, say, boxing, and that...The driver and the car together create a package where neither part seems to function effectively on its own.

Maybe they don't work individually, but unfortunately, the car is the stronger link here. In a beast of a car like this, even someone like Rubinjo Luzerinjo is fighting for the title 😳

This year, though, people are blaming Mark Webber for being a mediocre driver in a dominant car—a car that's actually a title contender, despite him having more points than a top-tier young talent in an identical machine.

Who's really to blame?!

He's being blamed for something else entirely, Gil...

Is he responsible for Sebastian Vettel's car breaking down? Should he just give up his competitive edge and play second fiddle out of guilt because his own car happens to have fewer technical issues?

He isn't to blame, nor should he be backing down. But nobody actually said that 🤷

No, there's a massive difference between "playing second fiddle" and acting as erratically as he does.

Webber is a seasoned veteran—he knows this is likely his last shot at leaving a real legacy in Formula 1—so he’s playing every card in the deck, including psychological games and manipulating the crew, the press, and the fans. He’s incredibly good at it. 🤷

Vettel, on the other hand, is just too soft—both as a man and a driver—to push back against that kind of pressure effectively. Quote : let's go, some might point to his trophies, but honestly, what kind of absolute idiot asks who has the fastest lap when you're leading the race with only three laps left? 🙂 Plus, he really should have stood up to Webber instead of acting like Joe Biden. 🙄

When you look at the track, Webber clearly has the guts—even if he lacks the composure—and he’s a true opportunist. Compared to him, Vettel just seems like an immature kid. 🤷

Look, Pato, tell me one thing: what exactly is the beef with Webber?

From where I’m sitting, he’s just a damn solid driver who leaves everything out on the track to get the best result possible. He isn't Alonso, someone who would just park his car at the pit exit to block a teammate. And he isn't Barrichello, someone who bows to authority only to spend the next six years playing the victim every chance he gets...

Sure, he’s frustrated because he thinks the team isn't treating him fairly. Does that mean they should fire him? Maybe. If they know he's lying, then let them cut him loose.

If Webber actually manages to clinch a championship, do you think people on this forum will still be tearing him down? Absolutely. Why? 🤷 I haven't the slightest clue. Just like I don't understand why he's being picked apart all season—not because he lacks talent, but because he dares to be better than logic suggests he should be.

Joshua Newman2 🙏

redheron12 said:I guess Webber is basically an old pro at this point. He probably realizes this might be his last real shot at leaving a mark on Formula 1, so he’s likely using every single resource he can get his hands on to make it count.

Yeah, he’s ready. He'll step over anyone to get what he wants, too. It's ruthless. Honestly, he'd probably walk right over his own team if it meant getting ahead. Just total megalomania.

How much of an asshole do you have to be to go around blathering to the press two races before the finish line, claiming the team is emotionally checked out behind Vettel? 🤦 Watch out. A bit emotional, I guess.Because you can't really prove that stuff emotionally—and honestly, you don't have to. Asshole.

He uses every tool in his kit—psychological games, manipulating the media, pulling the strings with the fans... he’s actually pretty good at it, I guess.

Nah, I don't think he's pulling it off. Anyone with half a brain could see right through him. And he puked a little, too. 😁

I guess Vettel is just too much of a nice guy—both as a driver and as a person—to actually push back against everything the way he should. He probably should have stood his ground more against Webber instead of acting like Joe Biden.

I have to say, I'm actually pretty fascinated by how Vettel didn't just fall for that total nonsense and walk away like an idiot. 👍

Let's go, some people are going to bring up his trophy count, but honestly, how much of a total child do you have to be to ask who has the fastest lap when you're sitting in the lead with only three laps left?

Well, there you have it. 😍 That’s exactly why I like him. 🙏 And then they have the nerve to tell him: Don't even go there.And that’s all five. 🤣

I guess Vettel managed to find that perfect middle ground between himself and Fernando’s cold, calculated logic. I don't necessarily think Fernando's approach is bad, but he's just not wired that way. He would never be the type to ask who has the fastest lap in a situation like this—he just doesn't have that kind of lucky, boyish charm in him. 🤣 I guess we're back to Hemošev and his uncontrollable outbursts again.The track looks bone dry—it’s basically begging for intermediates at this point. Let's just get this race started already. 🤣 )

It looks like Webber’s got some serious guts on him. He might not exactly be the coolest head on the track, but I guess he definitely knows how to play his cards right when the opportunity pops up.

Balls without a cool head are useless. Honestly, they’re actually counterproductive. I guess it's surprising you haven't realized that yet 😁

Throw in some opportunism (on top of a lack of intelligence) and you've basically built a little Frankenstein. Brooklyn is just full of them 🤣

cosmicridge5 said:Yeah, he’s ready—and honestly, he'd step over anyone to get there if that's what it takes. Even his own teammates. It's just ruthless.

Formula 1 is just one of those sports—where Mark Webber isn't exactly the first or the last driver willing to step over anyone to get ahead. 🤷

How much of an idiot does someone have to be—honestly—to go around talking to the press two races before the season ends, claiming the team is emotionally checked out behind Sebastian Vettel? Just watch yourself. It feels... emotional—honestly, just a bit overwhelming.Because you can't—and frankly, shouldn't have to—prove that on an emotional level. Asshole.

It doesn't really matter—what counts is that he stirred the pot and threw Sebastian Vettel's crew completely off their game. 🤷

No, he isn't doing that right—anyone with half a brain saw through him immediately. And honestly, I even puked a little. 😁

Is it just me, or does Red Bull seem to have completely lost its edge? This entire season—if you've been paying any attention—really seems to prove that point. 🤣

Sebastian Vettel actually fascinated me just now—the way he refused to let himself be pushed around or treated like some kind of fool.

You don't necessarily have to stoop to his level just to give him a proper response—it’s often better to stay above the fray. 🤷

Well, that’s that then. 😍 That’s exactly why I love him—and then you have these people coming at him: Don't even go there—seriously.That’s it—all five. 🤣

I used to be such a fan of Kimi Räikkönen—really rooting for him—but as I've gotten older, I’ve found myself wishing he would approach his races with a bit more tactical discipline.

Sebastian Vettel—you see—has managed to strike this perfect balance between Fernando’s cold, calculated rationality (which I don't necessarily dislike, though Fernando would never be the type to ask who had the fastest lap in a situation like this; he just lacks that certain boyish charm)—and that Hemošev-like, unbridled impulsiveness.The track looks bone-dry—honestly, it’s right on the edge of needing intermediates. Let’s get this race started! )

So—neither boiled nor roasted. 😁

Pure guts without a cool head aren't worth a damn—in fact, they're usually counterproductive. I'm honestly surprised you don't see that yet 😁

Then again, you can always sell grit when you're desperate—just look at Jenson Button🤣