2016 Monaco Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Comparing this to Alonso’s season? Please. Perez had already left him in the dust by then and was forced to give the spot back...

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graniteharbor502 said:

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An irregular block on Rich? We can debate that.
Cutting the line? There's really nothing to discuss there.

graniteharbor502 said:Sure. Just reminding you about your own quote.

If you think you've made your point, we can adjust the bet to the end of the season.

The real season ends once the champion is decided anyway.
So, either the end of the season, or whenever the title is settled.

Alright, let's hear your offer. Once we settle on it, we'll honor the bet.

Guys, seriously—can we please take the private chats somewhere else instead of cluttering up the GP Las Vegas thread? Like me and Rich are doing...

graniteharbor502 said:I can agree with you—Räikkönen is one of the best drivers out there today, and he drove a flawless race. But let’s be real—first, Rosberg just cleared out of his way (something Hamilton would never have done for Rosberg, remember Canada 2014?), then Red Bull completely botched Ricciardo's pit stop. To top it off, Hamilton cut the chicane during a battle on track just to maintain the lead. We saw something similar back in 2013 with Alonso and Perez, where Alonso was penalized and forced to yield his position to Perez.

Look, if Ham hadn't run into car issues again during Q3, he probably would have taken pole—and the race might have been decided from lap one. As for him letting Ros through? It was obvious how slow he was; two more corners and Ham would have lapped him anyway.
Regarding the cutting of the corner—before that chicane, Ricciardo was right behind Ham, Ham clipped the curb and cut the line, and even though Ricciardo stayed behind, he caught up. Ham didn't gain any advantage at all—if anything, he lost momentum coming out of the turn because of his own mistake. Then Ricciardo makes his move and Ham shuts the door. That's just standard racing, folks—it's a battle for the win in freaking Monaco! Don't be such pushovers. You claim cutting the corner was the only way Ham could hold the lead? Ricciardo had 40 laps!!??? And he didn't make a single other attempt?!!! For first place at the Monaco Grand Prix!! He doesn't deserve the win. Ham earned it today.

Honestly, I don't get some of these people. When drivers aren't overtaking, you call them cowards and say the races are just processions, begging for overtakes because they're "exciting." Then, when an overtake actually happens, you start pulling out trigonometry and calculus to prove who was "too aggressive" in the duel and who deserves a penalty. Then, once someone actually gets penalized, you complain that there's too much officiating and we should just "let them race."
Who's the crazy one here? 🤔

wiredscout14 said:#3 dominated the weekend, and his team basically stole a deserved victory from him. If roles were reversed, he probably would have been slapped with a penalty for defending like that, but instead, nothing happens. Classic Lewis.

If Ham's car hadn't died on him in Q3, he likely would have been on pole.

neonfox65 said:Because if he hadn't yielded, there would have been contact. Ham defended aggressively; it was nothing more than that.

In any racing duel, if someone refuses to give an inch, contact is almost inevitable. This bold approach is just part of the game—it's not some petty playground scuffle, but rather elite drivers pushing world-class machinery to the limit at the Monaco Grand Prix, and Ham absolutely showed up!!

analogpilot16 said:Look, when you have drivers fighting for position, if someone doesn't give an inch, there’s gonna be contact. That kind of aggressive stuff is just part of racing—it's not some playground spat... these are the best drivers in the world driving the absolute peak of engineering at the Monaco Grand Prix, and Ham showed exactly what he's capable of!!

Rich would've taken the win if they hadn't screwed him over with those tires.

Do I even need to mention which crew
managed the fastest pit stop today?

6 out of 6.

Tyler Bennett5 said:Do I even need to point out which crew
had the fastest pit stop today?

6 out of 6.

I mean, what's the point? It’s hard to compete when you've got turtles driving those cars.

Basically, does anyone have the scoop on what went down with Nico and who actually messed up during Ricciardo's pit stop?

Alright, here’s the breakdown regarding Ricciardo:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...icciardo-mixup

And as for Nico:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-of-confidence

neonfox65 said:Rick really should have taken the win if they hadn't messed him over with those tire choices.

Maybe he would have, maybe not—that’s just the nature of NASCAR, isn't it? It's all "what ifs" once the checkered flag drops.

By the way, Toto Wolff has that exact same German-American accent as Arnold Schwarzenegger 🙏

Honestly, what blew my mind today was just how much the US and SS tires can actually take, even with the MC factor hanging over everything and the weather staying pretty mild.
I was fully expecting—actually, I was straight-up banking on—a massive drop-off right at the finish.
Goodyear straight up lied to Ferrari's face. 🙂 😂
Well, it ended up being a total snooze fest of a race.

swiftmaker12 said:Any word on an exclusive scoop from Gazetta? 🤣

There are times when you just can't help but be a total agitator.
Man, you weren't even around this year, but let me tell you, this stuff is straight to the front page. Things have gotten absolutely wild out of nowhere, and I've got our special correspondent giving me the full scoop before it even hits the stands.
Some "reporter" has been playing games and painting whatever picture they want at F1 for ages now—they just don't have the guts to say it out loud—but now they’re finally stepping into the light.I don't even know where to start with this mess, honestly. It's just one thing after another lately, and if you think I'm going to sit here and sugarcoat how ridiculous the current state of things is, you've got the wrong guy. Everything feels like a total circus right now, and frankly, most people are too busy looking the other way to notice the cracks forming in the foundation. It’s exhausting watching the same mistakes being repeated over and over again by people who should definitely know better, but hey, that's just how the world works, isn't it? Just a constant loop of predictable chaos while everyone else acts like everything is perfectly fine.I don't even know where to start with this one because it's just so incredibly obvious if you actually bother to pay attention for more than five seconds. Everyone is out here acting like they've discovered some deep, hidden truth, but honestly, most of you are just chasing shadows and calling it insight. It’s the same old story every single time—people jumping to conclusions without a shred of actual evidence, just riding the wave of whatever the loudest voice in the room is screaming about. If you want my take, I'll give it to you straight: stop overcomplicating things and look at the reality right in front of your face. It’s simple, it’s straightforward, and frankly, it’s a little embarrassing how many people are missing it.
😛

Tony Rus's Vodka Tonic plus three podium finishes in Canada.

graniteharbor502 said:I think I can actually agree with you—Rasmus really is one of the elite drivers we’re seeing right now, and he drove a virtually flawless race. But—and there is a massive "but" here—first, Rosberg just happened to clear out of his way (something Hamilton would have never done to Rosberg, if we look back at that mess in Canada in 2014), then Red Bull absolutely screwed Ricciardo over during his pit stop, and finally, Hamilton ended up cutting the track during that battle just to keep his lead. It felt... questionable. It reminds me of what went down in 2013 with Alonso and Perez—where Alonso got penalized and basically had to hand the spot over to Perez.

Actually, that was a completely different situation back in 2013. In that instance, Perez was the one making the move. Here? Rick wasn't even close.

analogpilot16 said:Maybe, maybe not—you can honestly say that about just about any NASCAR race... what if things had gone differently, right?

Who knows... maybe he actually pulls it off and takes first place...

neonfox65 said:Maybe. He might have come out first.

The facts remain as they are. I could just as easily argue that Rosberg didn't actually lose those 11 to 13 seconds behind Ricciardo, or that Hamilton wasn't stuck. You seem to be overlooking the fact that Hamilton lost a massive amount of time. Even if there hadn't been a perfect pit stop to help Ricciardo—which is purely speculative—it wouldn't change much. The truth is, the pit stop screwed Ricciardo, Nico screwed Hamilton, and the qualifying session from the day before ruined everything when Hamilton had his one chance at a flyer.

I think I remember some reporter saying maybe 15 years ago that Monaco was the one track that actually gave outsiders a fighting chance... unlike any of the other circuits on the calendar.

Honestly, if anyone’s going to pull off a miracle like that this season, I’m betting on Cam.

Jason Campbell70 said:The real season ends once the champion is crowned, anyway.
So, we're looking at the end of the season, or just until the title is settled.

Alright, lay your offer on the table. Once we agree, we can settle the bet when the time comes.

I don't want to wait forever here.

neonfox65 said:Guys, seriously, take the private bets to DMs like me and Sin instead of cluttering the Monaco thread.

My inbox is getting flooded, and honestly, I'm about ready to clear it all out.😁

mellowtiger83 said:Everything checks out. So maybe Rosberg didn't just lose those 11-13 seconds behind Ricciardo; maybe Hamilton wasn't actually stuck either. You're forgetting how much time Hamilton lost. Even a perfect pit stop wouldn't have saved Ricciardo at that point. It is what it is, but the pit stop screwed Ricciardo, Nico screwed Hamilton, and qualifying screwed both of them because the car was garbage the day before when he only had one shot at a flyer.

As for the race itself, Hamilton was basically handed that win on a silver platter. IMHO.
Even when he pulled a driving error, he got away with it—no consequences. And honestly, in my opinion, it wasn't even a minor infraction.

Then he starts throwing himself around, jumping, acting like... well, you know. Look, winning doesn't always mean you need to throw a party, especially in Monaco. Sure, you should be happy, but this wasn't some spectacular victory worth a parade.
Though, let's be real, he loves playing the clown regardless.

Where the hell did Vettel’s third-place finish go?
Was it lost in that scrap right behind Mass?

Roger Wright94 said:Where did Vettel's third-place finish go?
Was it lost during that scrap right behind Mass?

Ferrari pulls another brilliant tactical blunder...

Roger Wright94 said:Where did Vettel lose that 3rd place?
Was it during that scrap behind Massa?

I missed the race because my house was crawling with guests.🙂
But I still snuck a look at the live timing.😬
From what I could tell, he didn't just blow his chance at 3rd; he probably threw away a shot at winning, too.🤔

He’s out there claiming he messed up by not getting past Massa and taking the blame himself, rather than blaming the tactics.

Haven't gotten around to watching the replay yet, but honestly, I probably won't...
Judging by how he was stuck behind the SC right from the start, the race looked pretty lively so far.

Quick breakdown:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...Felipe%20Massa
You can see that once Massa cleared off, he was way faster—maybe 6-7 seconds faster per lap. The big question is whether that was because Massa moved, or if he just found better track conditions...

Still, compared to Hamilton...
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...wis%20Hamilton
he absolutely fell apart while trailing Massa, losing about 15 seconds. In the end, that gap was actually bigger than the deficit he had at the finish line...