Monaco GP 2015

stormybadger8 said:So, who exactly built up that 21-second gap and why?
Maybe try actually watching the race again, 😉
or at least run a little analysis before dropping claims like that...link just click on the history chart

Lewis only pulled ahead because of the traffic; until things got messy with Pascal Wehrlein, Daniel Stevens, Max Verstappen, Romain Grosjean, and Carlos Sainz Jr., that lead was basically negligible...
Plus, for some totally inexplicable reason, Lewis was pulling laps about 7 seconds faster than Nico Rosberg under the Virtual Safety Car. Now, whether Rosberg was ordered to hold up Sebastian Vettel just to let Hamilton pit or whatever—I haven't got a clue—but it is freaking weird that under VSC, Lewis is clocking a 1:33 while Rosberg is sitting there at 1:39.🤔

And a 7-second gap is huge. I'm pretty sure that's how much of a difference there was.

Alexander Gonzalez79 said:One clip showed Hamilton driving right behind the Safety Car before he peeled off into the pits, so I'm guessing that explains those 12 seconds.

It’s totally possible—actually, probably even likely—that the Safety Car just bunched him up right before his pit entry. He likely caught up to it early in the lap...
But even if that's the case, it's still on Hamilton. 😉
He should've known better. He had to realize he'd lose a massive amount of time sitting behind the Safety Car while everyone else, especially Nico Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel, were clearly moving much faster than him at that moment.

This whole situation just goes to show that Lewis Hamilton has one massive blind spot: his head and his decision-making during a race. He drives with his heart, not his brain.

Unfortunately. Fortunately.

Lewis Hamilton lost roughly 7-8 seconds to Nico Rosberg during his in-lap through the second sector. Regardless—Mercedes decided to play it risky and pulled him into the pits.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/0...onaco-victory/

Didn't he make a similar blunder about a year or two back? He pitted right behind Nico Rosberg and left too much of a gap under the Safety Car, effectively throwing away his position.

Edit; it happened in 2013
Wait, was that top supermodel hosting the review, or am I just seeing things? 😁

I guess Rosberg totally wrecked Hamilton. He was definitely pushing way too hard under the Safety Car.

silvergull10 said:Didn't he make a similar blunder about a year or two ago when he pitted behind Nico Rosberg? He left too much of a gap under the Safety Car and essentially threw away his position, didn't he?

Edit; he did that back in 2013

I wonder, was it one of today's most famous supermodels hosting the review, or am I just imagining things? 😁

Tina at 0:13 😒

Why on earth are they putting driver numbers on the grid, and why do they look like they’re dressed for a middle school talent show or something?

A shot from the terrace where I scored some free access on race day!

Joseph Edwards86 said:Nico Rosberg absolutely screwed Lewis Hamilton. He was driving way too fast under the Safety Car on purpose.

Honestly, I’d say he actually messed him over a lap earlier when he was driving incredibly slow...
Just look at the times—Hamilton clocked a 1:33 while Rosberg was sitting there at 1:39...
That’s exactly what triggered the pit wall to start thinking about bringing Hamilton in, because right at that moment, Hamilton suddenly had a massive 20-second lead.😉

vividlynx68 said:Hamilton lost about 7 or 8 seconds to Rosberg in the second sector during his in-lap. Either way, Mercedes-Benz decided to go for broke and pulled him in for the pit stop.

[Link to article about the 2015 Monaco GP victory]

Man, I am so done with these "expert" British analyses. Give me a break. 🤦
It’s hard to tell who’s talking more nonsense around here...

The team was basically playing defense, trying to stay one step ahead of Ferrari. They were terrified that if they didn't act, Ferrari would just pit Vettel onto supersofts and let him tear right through them once the race restarted.

This is completely irrelevant. It’s just as mindless as those hacks over at Sky arguing about whether Vettel should have pitted when he was sitting less than a second behind Rosberg between laps 27 and 30.
Good grief, it’s like looking at a room full of people who have never even seen a single Formula 1 race, let alone a Monaco Grand Prix. 🤦

If Vettel had gone for that first theoretical undercut between laps 27 and 30—which, by the way, was what the Sky crew was recommending—he might have actually ended up stuck behind Kimi Raikkonen at the finish. 🙄 It’s pretty simple, really. If he pits, he’d have to come out right behind Kimi Raikkonen, Sergio Perez, and Max Verstappen—none of whom stand a prayer of catching him that quickly, even if he could pull it off. Not to mention the massive gap he’d need to build on Nico Rosberg just to stay ahead. Then there's the nightmare scenario: trying to nurse 50-lap-old tires while praying all three of them don't pit before him. It's a mess.

That whole thing about Vettel pitting under the Safety Car is nothing but pure nonsense. 🤦
If Vettel had pitted there, he would’ve definitely dropped behind Kimi Raikkonen and Daniil Kvyat, and probably even lost out to Ricciardo too.
Ricciardo was sitting right on Sebastian Vettel's heels, about 19.8 seconds back. He might have even managed to snatch a spot ahead of him, but there was no way he was catching Daniil Kvyat or Kimi Raikkonen—they were nearly 18 seconds clear of him.
I honestly don't get where these experts get their ideas. Who in their right mind thinks calling Sebastian Vettel in for a pit stop just to slot him behind three drivers who might not even pit at all is a smart move? Makes zero sense.🙄

swiftmaker12 said:Check out this shot from the terrace where I was hanging out for free on race day!

What a joker!

swiftmaker12 said:Here is a photo I took from the terrace where I was hanging out for free on race day!

Have you happened to upload a full gallery somewhere online? And I find myself wondering, what was the atmosphere actually like among the crowd once the Safety Car made its exit?

I don't have any intention of getting back into debates or discussions here on Formula 1.
I’ve been blocked from sending and receiving private messages—which honestly isn't surprising, given I was pretty rude to a few members and admins back in the day.
You can find me on Facebook under Matthew Nediljko in Miami
or reach me at 555-012-3456.
Autosport actually published four of my reports—three covering Formula E in Monaco and one on the Monaco Grand Prix.
They also promised to run a piece on the WEC 6 Hours of Spa, where I was working with official Media Accreditation.
If you give me a call, maybe we can meet up in either Los Angeles or Miami so I can show you all the photos.
Anyway, take care.
Pat is still waiting on an original autograph from Fernando Alonso, but he’s not answering his phone or replying to emails.
Best to everyone.

swiftmaker12 said:Pat is waiting on an original autograph from Fernando Alonso, but he isn't answering his phone or replying to emails.
Hey everyone.

Oh man, I missed your email, and I don't even have that old cell number anymore! Didn't you get an automated message saying the number was out of service?

Thanks for holding onto the photo and the autograph for me; I'll check my email tonight and get back to you.🙂

stormybadger8 said:Honestly, I'm so sick of these intense British expert analyses. 🤦
It’s hard to tell who’s talking more nonsense...

This whole thing is completely irrelevant, just like that bickering from those amateurs over at Sky about how Vettel should have pitted when he was less than a second behind Rosberg between laps 27 and 30...
Good grief, it feels like they’ve never actually watched an F1 race in their lives, let alone a race in Monaco. 🤦

1. If Vettel had gone for that theoretical first pit stop—that undercut suggested by the Sky crew between laps 27-30—he might have ended up behind Kimi by the end of the race 🙄 for a very simple reason: he would have come out behind Kimi, Pérez, and Verstappen. There was no way he could have overtaken them all that quickly (if he even could), let alone built enough of a gap to Rosberg. Not to mention the massive headache he'd face at the end with 50-lap-old tires, plus the huge question of how long he'd be waiting for those three to pit...

2. And this talk about Vettel pitting under the SC is also pretty much pure rambling. 🤦
With a pit stop like that, Vettel would have almost certainly finished behind Kimi and Kvyat, and likely behind Ricc too.
Ricc was barely 19.8 seconds behind Vettel, so he might have finished ahead or right behind him, but he definitely would have been behind Kvyat and Kimi, who were 17 or 17.8 seconds back...
I just don't get where these experts get the idea that any sane person would call Vettel into the pits only to drop him behind three drivers who might not even pit at all...🙄

👍 You're right, their commentary during the race is terrible. And that blatant cheering for the Brits...😵 Their "analyses" and the way they grade drivers are just awful. Why give Vettel 8 points? Why Pérez 10, while Gutiérrez gets 8 like Vettel? It makes zero sense. To me, Vettel and Ricciardo were the best, considering how far their cars were lagging behind the Mercedes. Everyone else follows. In my opinion, the biggest disappointments were Alonso and Hamo... Alonso because he achieved nothing, and Hamo is even worse because losing the lead and losing that much time in a car like that just shows he isn't that great of a driver. He didn't even get the fastest lap in a car like that. That means on a tricky track, he doesn't know how to exploit the car's power, which makes Rosberg better. Now, I'm expecting an avalanche of angry people because I'm saying Hamo isn't a top-tier driver, but this kind of track is where legends are made, and he failed to show up... What a waste of time...

Michael Diaz4 said:👍 You're spot on—the commentary during the race is absolute garbage. And all that bias toward the Britons...😵 Their "analysis" is a joke, especially how they grade the drivers. Why give Vettel 8 points? Or Perez 10 while Esteban Gutiérrez gets the same 8 as Vettel? It makes zero sense. If you look at how far behind everyone was from Mercedes, Vettel and Daniel Ricciardo were easily the best out there. Everyone else is just noise. For me, the biggest disappointments were Fernando Alonso and Hamilton... Alonso because he did basically nothing, but Hamilton is even worse—losing the lead and dropping that much time in a car like that just proves he isn't all that. He didn't even snag fastest lap in that machine. Basically, on a tricky track like this, he couldn't handle the power, which means Rosberg was actually better. I'm fully expecting a meltdown from people because I'm calling out Hamilton, but this track is where legends are made, and he failed... What a massive waste of time...

Any grading system where the winner doesn't get a 10 is completely pointless.

ruggedhawk20 said:Any rating system where the race winner doesn't get a perfect 10 is completely pointless.

How is that not true? The winner (contrary to what graniteharbor502 claims) doesn't necessarily have to be the best driver out there. We saw exactly that just the other day. It's the same deal with certain world champions... and even some multi-time ones.

What’s even the point of being the best if you aren't actually winning...
And as for why Hamilton was supposedly better than Rosberg in Monaco? Probably because unlike Rosberg, he only used his hands and feet instead of his brain...

stormybadger8 said:What’s the point of being called the best if you aren't actually winning...
And honestly, looking at why Lewis Hamilton was better than Nico Rosberg in Monaco—it's because unlike Rosberg, he relies entirely on his hands and feet while completely leaving his brain out of the equation...

Lewis Hamilton looks up to Ayrton Senna, so much so that just like his idol, he can show these incredible flashes of pure talent and raw speed—only to then totally mess it all up by failing to use his head...