Troy

nimblemarlin17, good grief, I barely recognized you! I was just sitting here wondering who this new person was, giving a thumbs up to the movie and mentioning what was probably the best scene,
when it turns out you were just hiding behind Herr Ott (seriously, give me something a bit more attractive to look at!!!!!

Boring, boring, boring.

Honestly, this was one of the most tedious movies I've sat through lately. Like, I truly cannot wrap my head around how a flick starring Brad Pitt in a skirt—with decent fight scenes and a halfway okay script—can be so incredibly DULL.

Look, I don't really care that they didn't stick to the mythology. Fine, they wanted to make a "realistic" take without all the gods and stuff... but man, the sheer amount of pro-American cheesiness, the "deep" quotes, those "heartbreaking" moments... It's horrible. My friend actually told me she was just waiting for someone to pull out an American flag and plant it in the ruins of burned-down Troy.

None of the characters are even well-written, except maybe Hector. Achilles is a total psycho-freak, Agamemnon is just a fat pig, and Odysseus is basically his errand boy! I mean, hey, Odysseus—the smartest, craftiest guy in all of Greece—is reduced to a sidekick?

I just don't get it. How do you manage to make a movie this boring when I wasn't even expecting much from it to begin with?

Henry Anderson47 said:nimblemarlin17, good grief, I barely recognized you! Just when I thought some new person was giving the movie a thumbs up and mentioning what was probably its best scene,
turns out it’s just you hiding behind an Ott costume (give me something better to look at, for crying out loud!!!!!

It's the era of the Euro, and since I promised myself I'd stay optimistic, there's no better way to do it than by masquerading as the most hated guy on the roster. Since I didn't want to post a picture of Živković (honestly, who would even want to look at him? 😁 ), I went with Idiott because he's funny, even if he doesn't mean to be. 👋

I honestly believe the absolute most (-hilarious, -brainless) ridiculous avatar out there belongs to Mirko Galić. Some guy is actually using it! I completely lost it—I was practically rolling on the floor laughing when I saw that 😂 🤣

Sophia Brown78 said:Not a single character is well-written, except for Hector.

And what’s so great about Hector? The guy is feckin' boring.

He loves his father and his home...

He loves his wife and child...

He loves his brother...

He loves his people...

...

and his people love him back...

Hector, the prince of integrity.

rapidstag74 said:What’s actually good about Hector? The guy is freaking boring.

He loves his father and his home cooking...

He loves his wife and his kid...

He loves his brother...

He loves his people...

...

and the people love him back...

Hector is basically the prince of integrity.

😂 I am actually dying here

And honestly, I don't get why everyone keeps saying Odysseus isn't working in this movie. To me, he feels totally realistic and level-headed. I mean, what did they want? For him to be some wise old sage leading a council of elders? He’s just there when he needs to step in between Agamemnon and Achilles, dropping a few deep lines at the start and end of the film. That's plenty for him.

No, no way, Odysseus is easily the coolest character ever & all, I just really wish we could have seen himmore. Plus, my buddy who went to see it with me is acting like such a wimp because he thinks Odysseus didn't actually fight, he just sat there being a smartass... which is totally wrong! He fought just as hard as any other Greekleader (it feels silly to say 'kings'... a king should rule a massive nation, not some tiny little island)but he was also incredibly wise and brilliant... basically, he’s the embodiment of cunning. Now, Nestor—if we're being honest (and nobody in the movie even really noticed him; I happened to realize he was just portrayed as some lame Agamemnon's advisor rather than a leader in his own right, and he comes off as way too geriatric, since Nestor is supposed to be quite old but still doing okay)—was more like the embodiment of experienced wisdom and diplomacy.

I'm just saying, I wish there were more scenes featuring Odysseus.

And it’s impossible for it not to be cool when Sean Bean plays the part... I mean, come on, it's Sean freaking Bean... did I mention that I think Sean Bean is a cool actor? 😁

The sunrise and sunset out west were truly breathtaking 😁

rapidstag74 said:So what’s actually good about Hector? The guy is feckin' boring.

He loves his father and his home cooking...

He loves his wife and his kid...

He loves his brother...

He loves his people...

...

and his people love him back...

Hector, the prince of loyalty.

but he is hot, totally hot! 👍

rapidstag74 said:What's actually good about Hector? The guy is feckin' boring.

He loves his father and his cooking...

He loves his wife and child...

He loves his brother...

He loves his people...

...

and the people love him back...

Hector, the prince of loyalty.

Only on FOX! :top 👍 👍

Man, you guys are so superficial. Hector isn't some perfect hero; he’s just "the fool who thought he could take down Achilles." Brad Pitt laid it all out perfectly in the movie...😛

Nancy Kim2 said:......
I guess I just wish there were more scenes from The Odyssey.

But hey, you can't really complain when Sean Bean is in it... I mean, come on, it's Sean freaking Bean... did I mention he's actually a pretty cool actor? 😁

Man, Nancy Kim2, (😘 ) who even started this whole thing about Sean Bean here? I’m just saying he’s a legend, he’s underrated, and he plays such a massive 👎 role in the movie.
LONG LIVE SEAN BEAN!

steelharbor12 said:but they are hot—like, totally hot! 👍

I mean, that's basically the mindset of every average American, right? 😎

steelharbor12
I mean, just like any average American, right? 😎

Unless you're all out there rocking sexy armor and swinging swords around everywhere. 😁

The movie was nothing special, but that scene where Orlando loses control of his bowels is just... pure gold. He played that part so damn well 👍

To everyone who actually braved going to see this, uh, "historical spectacle."

And honestly, what is there left to say? This thread has covered everything.
All I can offer is my own take—I don't hit the theaters often, so when I do, I'm picky about what I watch.

Before Troy, I saw "The Last Samurai" and "Hidalgo." Walking out of the theater after those two, I felt... moved. I wasn't just checking out a movie; they stayed with me, triggering all sorts of thoughts on multiple levels. They actually left a mark.

With Troy, that feeling was totally missing. It felt more like watching "Independence Day." I couldn't get invested in the story at all, and at no point did it feel like they were even attempting to retell actual history.

I seriously can't decide what this thing even is: a historical epic, an adventure drama, an adaptation of an epic poem... I feel like if I pick one genre, I'll realize it's missing whatever makes it belong there.

It’s empty.

Not to mention how much they ignored the facts (for instance, Hector and Achilles didn't just duel one-on-one like that; Hector almost got wiped out when Achilles charged with his army, but he found his courage at the last second. And Achilles didn't get shot in the heel because of Briseis—it was about the others, and it wasn't about saving her, but rather entering the city to beg for her hand... there are plenty of mistakes like that).

Furthermore, I'd put myself in the camp of people who think Achilles is well-drawn, that Hector is even better, and that The Odyssey is given way too little importance when he's actually the "brains" behind the whole operation.
Same goes for Paris; he's a good character because he really is a coward who had the nerve to steal someone else's wife but lacks the guts to actually draw a sword.😁 Plus, Helen didn't have such a miserable marriage as the movie whines about—quite the opposite, actually.

I could probably deal with all that if the movie had managed to pull at any emotional chord other than the one meant for indulging
men in mini-skirts and dresses (by the way, Hector looks damn good in that Jean Paul Gaultier—like a skirt with a bare torso)🙂

Final verdict: everything in this movie is halfway there. It starts up and then just fizzles out before hitting its peak. 😢

Which leaves me wondering: does the writer (not Homer😁) even know what they were trying to say?
😕

PS. Off topic—responding to the comment about Hector being boring with his codes: personally, the only thing worth anything in this film is the fact that it's hard to find a man of his word in this world (or any other). It's easy to jump around and screw over your boss or your unit under the excuse that it's "exciting."🙄
Living by a code takes balls.

nimbledriver81 said:Maybe you all want to go around wearing those skimpy, sexy suits of armor while swinging swords at everything in sight...😁

My point was actually about his American roots! 😁
(I mean, I get lectured enough about John Greenleaf Whittier already—and now here comes Eric...)

I’ve noticed everyone on this forum keeps calling Paris a coward. Seriously? This guy took down Achilles! This guy’s whole life was basically set on fire by some king’s brute force. Before he ever lost his nerve, he was actually out there facing off against that same royal tyrant. He might be weak, but "coward" isn't the right word. (And no, I'm not gay. And no, I'm not some fan of that pretty boy Orlando.) 😁

steelharbor12 said:I was making a nod to his American roots. 😁
(First they grill me over Walt Whitman, and now I’m getting heat for Eric...)

Sorry, but I caught on—you're trying to flex your status as an American man here (😵 —and you're a woman). 😁

I’ve noticed everyone on this forum keeps calling Paris a "coward." Seriously, people? That guy took down Achilles!

Yeah, he did it from behind, and when he was unarmed (in the movie), it was even worse in the epic.

Man, that guy basically set fire to (and ruined) a king's wife!

He did it while he was there as a guest at the feast, and then he just wailed in the middle of the ocean once it was too late to turn back—knowing damn well the king wouldn't let his kid die (which would've happened anyway if he tried to take her back).

Guys, before he absolutely lost his nerve, that man actually went out to face that same king!

He only went because he knew the older guy would protect him (in the movie). In the epic, I don't think he even fought the king; but I'm not positive.