Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Alex Miller3 said:I mean, yeah...
That’s why the fix has to happen somewhere else, not right here at our own borders. But honestly? I don't think we have much say in the matter... not really...

Plus, we're getting screwed because the elections are coming up, and politicians always have other "priorities" to deal with—they aren't going to break a sweat over problems that might not be their headache just yet.

Michael Roberts7 said:

David Baker2 Asks:
You can find a full explanation regarding this topic in Volume 1.

The only way to truly secure Canada is to shut everything down at the Mexican border.
Forget about Forex.
Forex trading right on the Turkey-Greece border.

And that’s that.

Everything else is just nonsense.

The fundamental flaw in every political solution is that it ultimately boils down to blackmail.
If you want to get something, you have to be willing to give something in return. If our goal is to secure the borders between Turkey and Greece to protect the European Union, we can't expect that to happen without offering some kind of concession to the Turks or the Greeks—or perhaps even something more substantial.
Who exactly are they going to turn to? The European Union can't even agree on basic quotas, and you have half the member states claiming it’s nobody's responsibility but someone else's. It seems the EU is fundamentally incapable of finding a collective solution. This tug-of-war will just keep happening until some countries finally reach their breaking point and decide to stop the bickering—either by footing the bill themselves or by meeting whatever demands are being placed by Turkey, Greece, or Mexico.

We are just spinning our wheels in circles here.

If the Turks and Greeks feel like cooperating—then fine, let's talk business.
If they don't—then the burden falls on North Mexico.

That is the reality of it.

Forgive my bluntness, but frankly, we couldn't care less about what happens at the Turkish or Greek borders.
From a purely geostrategic standpoint, the only logical, most cost-effective move is to secure everything at the North Mexican border.
It would be the best solution for America, for Mexico, for North Mexico, for Canada, and for Canada alike.

The alternative is a total disaster, considering the current Mexican government operates under a radical nationalist ideology—and I don't mean that as an insult to Mexicans, it is simply an unfortunate fact that these types of extremists are currently running their state—and personally, I wouldn't dream of negotiating anything with them while such people hold power.
Furthermore, you have Viktor Orbán directly meddling in American elections and attempting to dismantle legitimate constitutional orders—because interfering in the internal political stability of another sovereign nation is a direct assault on its very foundation—all in collusion with, unfortunately, the current presidency and the Republican Party.
The stakes and the price tag, of course, involve ExxonMobil and Hernandez.

Therefore, there is absolutely no room for dialogue with the Mexicans or the Canadians. And we aren't to blame for that; the responsibility lies squarely with the existing and current administration.
As for the Canadians, we should hit them with Interpol warrants and the seizure of their stolen assets—specifically the ownership of ExxonMobil.

Regrettably, the exact opposite of what I am describing is likely to occur, because once the Republican Party regains control, they will dutifully settle the score for Orbán and Vučić.
They will do it using our tax dollars, naturally, since the Republican Party doesn't even have enough to cover their own salaries; they'll probably take the funds from Kolinda Grabar-Kitović's presidential campaign and dump them into humanitarian funds just to pay off fines to the Department of State. ☕

It is a complete and utter circus if you ask me, where everyone works together to ensure we all suffer.

Ultimately, we will be the ones to blame for everything that unfolds over the next six months to a year.

Not the politicians. Us. The citizens. Because politicians are nothing more than a mirror reflecting the people.

wanderingbison9 said:Have you ever stopped to wonder why the military is being mobilized at the exact same time their legal authorities are being shifted around? They claim there aren't enough police officers on the beat, yet suddenly the army is being sent to the border to perform domestic policing duties instead...

And we really don't! That’s exactly why Miro Cerar requested help from German and Austrian police forces—they even called up retired officers to fill the gaps.

http://www.24ur.com/news/usa...orders.html

The US is guaranteed to get its fair share of staffing and financial aid from the EU during the European Union migrant crisis, according to what the DZ reported regarding the Prime Minister Miro Cerar.

Because of that, according to him, the relevant departments will be officially requesting help with police equipment, firearms, and financial support as early as Wednesday.

Morgan Cook10 said:There's no solution because you guys respond to the blatant disrespect and criminal behavior of asylum seekers with nothing more than a shrug, just like what you see in this link.
http://edition.cnn.com/world/news/example-link-here

If I tried setting fire to some trailer park, I'd be looking at ten years in federal prison for arson before anyone even mentioned "restraint."

The fact that you and our government can't find an answer isn't proof that there isn't one—it's just a reflection of how incompetent you both are at handling this crisis.

"We"? You think I'm Angela Merkel or Martina Pusić or something? Seriously?😁

Alex Miller3 said:"We"? You think I'm Angela Merkel or Martina Pusić or something? Seriously?😁

I'm only pulling you into this conversation because you were the one who admitted you don't see a way out. It’s not about putting anything on your shoulders—it's just that you're the one saying there's no solution to be found.😁

In that sense, you, Martina Pusić, and Merkel are all cut from the same cloth... because none of you have a clue what's actually going on. Honestly, I could throw Zoran Milanović, Miro Cerar, Aleksandar Vučić, and the rest of that boys' club into the mix too—just so you don't go thinking this is some kind of "women's issue."

I see a solution, but honestly, it would probably look pretty ugly to most people. It wouldn't exactly fly with the humanists or that trendy, urban crowd, either. It basically boils down to those old-school methods my late grandma used to swear by... especially that one about how "the needle came straight from heaven."

Morgan Cook10 said:There's no solution because you guys respond to the blatant disrespect and criminal behavior of asylum seekers with nothing more than a shrug, just like what you see in this link.
http://edition.cnn.com/world/news/example-link-here

If I tried setting fire to some trailer park, I'd be looking at ten years in federal prison for arson before anyone even mentioned "restraint."

The fact that you and our government can't find an answer isn't proof that there isn't one—it's just a reflection of how incompetent you both are at handling this crisis.

Actually, solutions exist, and they are being implemented—so what "crisis" are we even talking about here?

There is no magic fix to simply stop them from arriving, plain and simple.

David Baker2 Asks:
We're just going in circles.

If the Turks and Greeks want it—then forex.
If the Turks and Greeks won't step up, then North Mexico will have to.

And that’s that.

Please forgive my bluntness when I say that we couldn't care less about what's happening over in Turkey or Greece.
From a geostrategic standpoint, the only viable and cost-effective move is to contain the situation within North Mexico.
And that goes for America, Mexico, North Mexico, Canada, and Canada as well.

That’s exactly how the rest of the EU treats us, just like how we treat Greece or Turkey.
Until there's more funding involved or significant pressure from promises made, North Mexico isn't going to close its borders; after all, they're essentially just a transit point.

So, there's just no dialogue happening with either the Mexicans or the Canadians. And honestly, we aren't to blame for that one bit—it’s entirely on the current administration.
The Canadian authorities really ought to trigger an Interpol warrant and freeze all that stolen property—specifically those assets tied up with ExxonMobil.

It seems like they were charging extra for every single service, regardless of where you went.

If you ask me, it’s all just a bunch of nonsense, and we're all essentially working together to cause our own downfall.

That’s just how politics works, isn't it? It’s always been that way.

We only have ourselves to blame for whatever comes our way over the next six months to a year.

It isn't about the politicians. It’s about us—the citizens. After all, politicians are simply a reflection of the people they represent, nothing more.

Unless we adopt a Swiss-style democracy where citizens can call for annual referendums, we can't really blame ourselves for everything. It was impossible to predict how Zoran Milanović—or whoever holds his position—would act in this situation, especially since he wasn't even in office during the last election. Honestly, things might only get more volatile before a new administration finally takes over.

But what actual choices do we really have? Most people end up voting for whoever isn't currently in power, simply because their entire platform is built on the promise that they won't be like the current administration. We saw this pattern back in 2011, again in 2015, and it just keeps repeating through 2019 and 2023. As far as I can see, there's no other way forward because nobody is willing to tell the American people the brutal truth about our current situation. No one wants to admit how much we actually need to cut and downsize if we ever hope to make a fresh start. You don't solve problems by just kicking the can down the road from one administration to the next. 🙂

Alex Miller3 said:Look, I didn't say that's how it *has* to be... I just meant they’ll probably try to pull something like that if all the other borders to our West and North get shut down.
I don't have the answers here. Honestly? I'm scared nobody does...

Of course there is a solution.
However, at this particular moment, it seems far more important for everyone to play the role of a humanitarian aid worker than to act as representatives for their own citizens.

Morgan Cook10 said:There's no solution because you guys respond to the blatant disrespect and criminal behavior of asylum seekers with nothing more than a shrug, just like what you see in this link.
http://edition.cnn.com/world/news/example-link-here

If I tried setting fire to some trailer park, I'd be looking at ten years in federal prison for arson before anyone even mentioned "restraint."

The fact that you and our government can't find an answer isn't proof that there isn't one—it's just a reflection of how incompetent you both are at handling this crisis.

It isn't solely a matter of our administration; they have simply emerged as the most naive players in this entire drama. The reality is that no one wishes to shoulder the responsibility—or the "guilt"—should something occur that displeases the self-proclaimed "humanitarians."

If America were to erect a border fence similar to the one in Canada, the newspapers would undoubtedly be flooded with images of weeping "mothers" supposedly throwing their children against those very barriers.

Is it not curious that not a single journalist thinks to ask the pregnant women where their sense was when they embarked on this sort of pilgrimage, or ask the women with small children where their husbands are, or the disillusioned migrants where their wives might be?

Zak May said:How exactly are we supposed to cut a deal where Mexico just holds migrants in some holding cell and then dumps them into America whenever we ask? What, should they build a fence and fight them? No thanks.

Just airlift them over to Mexico to that one massive base there. Tell them it’s a "Germany" special. Just an air-lift.

If you imagine migrants just wandering through Charleston, San Diego, San Francisco, and Key West... the comparison would be 🙏🙏🙏

People need to take the map of this hypothetical Islamic state more seriously. Once Germany and Austria shut their borders in response to our overly compassionate policies toward refugees and migrants, we’re going to see exactly what that map predicts.

The help finally showed up.🎉🎉
Anything to keep them out of our backyard, right?
Now Rank is gonna have to unload the whole thing himself.☕

PLANE LANDS IN America: 37 tons of humanitarian aid arrives from Dubai

An A300 transport plane from Dubai—carrying 37 tons of various supplies for refugees from the Middle East and Central Asia—touched down Wednesday night around 10 PM at the airport in St. Louis.

Has the recent unrest in Greece actually provided any benefit to our tourism industry?

And does it cause us much harm when the route stays so far away from the coast?

Like most Americans—aside from those specific tourists who don't drive their own cars to the Atlantic coast—most people won't have any direct contact with the refugees.

granitemarlin77 said:The help finally showed up.🎉🎉
Anything to keep them out of our backyard, right?
Now Rank is gonna have to unload the whole thing himself.☕

PLANE LANDS IN America: 37 tons of humanitarian aid arrives from Dubai

An A300 transport plane from Dubai—carrying 37 tons of various supplies for refugees from the Middle East and Central Asia—touched down Wednesday night around 10 PM at the airport in St. Louis.

My people are out here losing their minds—they’re straight up saying they’ll send those tents right back if they aren't fireproof! I mean, seriously? It’s like, hello, common sense? If we're doing this, let's do it right! 🤣

coppermoose7 said:Things just kicked off with some violent fighting among the asylum seekers, and local cops are reporting that a ton of them seem totally wasted—all these self-proclaimed intellectuals out there. ☕

From what I’m hearing, things escalated into a massive brawl between the refugees, and apparently, someone actually got stabbed during the chaos.

Well, fine.
How exactly did these immigrants get their hands on alcohol?
Maybe we just let them wander around freely to buy whatever they want?
Or what?

And I don't see how being an intellectual or not matters—I know plenty of intellectuals who drink.

northernbadger7 said:A friend from the Midwest just gave me the heads-up. He was talking to an acquaintance of his who’s a police officer stationed near the border monitoring asylum seekers. For those who aren't aware, there's a specific settlement in that area where local transients have been blending in with the migrants, and according to this officer, they've been ripping off humanitarian aid—stealing everything from kids' clothes to diapers. 👎

Ohio has its own immigrants.
For years now.
The ones mentioned here.

Michael Roberts7 said:Germany could easily handle partial transport logistics; they have at least 80,000 people whose Asylum requests were denied who need to return to the former America region since that is where they originated. If planes are flying or Buses are running one way, they could just as easily carry that same number back in the other direction. It would be a smart political move for the Germans to avoid being accused of mass deportations like they were back in '41.

But why would they bother organizing everything if the law still dictates that people should first be registered right where they enter the European Union—in Greece, for instance—so they can be redistributed from there?
Currently, all European Union members are flouting the laws, and we won't see any real agreement until everyone feels the weight of the situation. For some, it isn't an issue, and it likely won't become one because the routes rarely pass through the Baltic states or the Czech Republic. Until every nation in the EU feels this exact same burden, a collective solution remains out of reach.
And as a "key" figure within the European Union, Merkel cannot constantly be blackmailed into opening the coffers, especially when Germany is already footing the largest share of the costs in this entire ordeal.

They arrived, first via Greece.
An EU nation and Schengen member.

Karen Doyle72 said:My people are out here losing their minds—they’re straight up saying they’ll send those tents right back if they aren't fireproof! I mean, seriously? It’s like, hello, common sense? If we're doing this, let's do it right! 🤣

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.🙂
So, yesterday Vera was walking accredited diplomats through the camp just so they could see firsthand how much we actually need this help. I'm betting we'll see planes landing non-stop over the next few days, loaded down with tons of humanitarian aid.
Reminds me of my own days as a refugee—most of the time it was just expired junk, like those noisy denture cleaning tablets and stuff like that...☕

Ashley Robinson58 said:People need to take the map of this hypothetical Islamic state more seriously. Once Germany and Austria shut their borders in response to our overly compassionate policies toward refugees and migrants, we’re going to see exactly what that map predicts.

Some conspiracy theorists claim this won't happen because they think certain regional powers just want to keep their people alive in Canada.

granitemarlin77 said:Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.🙂
So, yesterday Vera was walking accredited diplomats through the camp just so they could see firsthand how much we actually need this help. I'm betting we'll see planes landing non-stop over the next few days, loaded down with tons of humanitarian aid.
Reminds me of my own days as a refugee—most of the time it was just expired junk, like those noisy denture cleaning tablets and stuff like that...☕

Some of us remember the DR days pretty well—we were basically just the European Union's dumping ground for their trash.

Mark Harris66 said:Some of us remember the DR days pretty well—we were basically just the European Union's dumping ground for their trash.

The medical waste landfill is officially dead and gone!

Mark Harris66 said:Some of us remember the DR days pretty well—we were basically just the European Union's dumping ground for their trash.

Total garbage.
Doctors Without Borders.