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Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

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Participants Charles Fox10Peter Reed70Jessica King9Morgan Ruiz3Daniel Johnson3Sophia Myers7quietowl2redridge35Eric Newman4hollowlynx66Amanda Moore8Maria James40mellowotter17Paul Thomas46Ronald Howard3nimbleharbor10Brenda Carter39Steven Perez6crimsonjackal63Alexander Ortiz3Anthony Cooper2slyviper94Adam BarrettJoshua Kelly51 …
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#641 ·
Chloe Martinez7 said:Well, fine.
How exactly did these immigrants get their hands on alcohol?
Maybe we just let them wander around freely to buy whatever they want?
Or what?

And I don't see how being an intellectual or not matters—I know plenty of intellectuals who drink.

Ohio has its own immigrants.
For years now.
The ones mentioned here.

They arrived, first via Greece.
An EU nation and Schengen member.

and the Democrats always win there. 🤔

... which basically means that's the big secret why we can't win... the more immigrants you bring in, the more votes go straight to the leftists. 🤣
Sophia Ramos5 Sophia Ramos5 Active Member
121 messages
joined Jan 2018
#642 ·
Zak May said:Once they realize they aren't getting sent back to Mexico, they'll be stripped bare.
It doesn't matter what you offer them; they're scrambling to get into Germany before the borders shut tight. It’s pure chaos out there—people are even losing their kids along the way.

If it weren't for our "wonderful" people™ and yours, we probably could have set up a migrant express train by now—a precursor to the North American Express, which leads to the Orient "Pension Fund Revival" Express...
Jerry Phillips19 Jerry Phillips19 Member
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joined Aug 2013
#643 ·
Michael Roberts7 said:If we weren't so dependent on tourism, I'd actually vote for fining people for using a Selfie Stick. 🤣🤣

Denied! Reason: He had a Selfie Stick in his pocket! 🎉

☕
When one lacks a logical rebuttal, resorting to insults is the standard fallback.

It is quite predictable that they carry those selfie sticks, given they aren't fleeing for their lives like the narrative here constantly suggests. These people are simply opportunists following the money, yet they enjoy the privilege of traveling without documentation—unlike our own struggling citizens who head to Ireland to actually work, rather than just idling in camps.☕
mellowotter17 mellowotter17 Member
10 messages
joined Jan 2018
#644 ·
just passing through said:And honestly, I’m pretty much convinced those women made the call to follow their husbands wherever they needed to go, regardless of what their husbands or fathers had to say about it.☕

Try not to project your own experiences onto everyone else, because just because you don't make many big decisions in your life doesn't mean other women aren't out there making them all on their own.


Hahahaha! 🤣🤣 You really cracked me up with that one!
I mean, I can barely make a decision to save my life; if I try to decide something, the government steps in and shuts me down, so I try again, then the weather ruins my plans, so I try once more, and then the bank gets involved, or I take a shortcut only to run straight into a wall... and then people have the nerve to tell me it's just karma. Phew!
granitemarlin77 granitemarlin77 Active Member
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joined Jul 2009
#645 ·
Robert Moore10 said:The medical waste landfill is officially dead and gone!

My mom almost choked to death once.
She got some "candy" in a little tube inside a humanitarian aid package.
She was all happy about it—until she started foaming at the mouth and nearly suffocated.
When the receptionist later translated the label from German, it turned out they were denture cleaning tablets. Of course, the expiration date was long gone, but hey, who cares? Just give them whatever you've got, right?

So now I'm reading about how Dubai is sending blankets, tents, solar lamps, and all that stuff.
They might as well have sent teddy bears with Emir's face on them just to actually make those kids smile...☕
Michael Roberts7 Michael Roberts7 Member
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#646 ·
Chloe Martinez7 said:Well, fine.
How exactly did these immigrants get their hands on alcohol?
Maybe we just let them wander around freely to buy whatever they want?
Or what?

And I don't see how being an intellectual or not matters—I know plenty of intellectuals who drink.

Ohio has its own immigrants.
For years now.
The ones mentioned here.

They arrived, first via Greece.
An EU nation and Schengen member.

This 80,000 I mentioned consists of Mexicans, Mexicans, Black men, and Albanians who have already had their asylum requests denied, or whose applications will almost certainly be rejected with 99% certainty.
Ashley Robinson58 Ashley Robinson58 Member
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joined Jun 2008
#647 ·
Sophia Ramos5 said:Some conspiracy theorists claim this won't happen because they think certain regional powers just want to keep their people alive in Canada.

A much more powerful player doesn't care about what Mexico wants. If we don't start defending our own soil now, one day we'll all be walking all the way to Germany.
Robert Moore10 Robert Moore10 Member
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joined Oct 2015
#648 ·
Wait, did I just see that? Casio... man, talk about a blast from the past! Every time I see that name, I get hit with such a massive wave of nostalgia... it’s like stepping right back into my middle school years in Chicago! Remember those little digital watches? The ones that beeped so loudly they practically woke up the whole classroom? I used to think having one of those was the absolute height of high-tech luxury... honestly, I felt like I was living in some futuristic Sci-Fi movie or something! And don't even get me started on those calculators... the chunky ones that felt indestructible! I swear, I could have dropped one off the top of a skyscraper and it probably would have just bounced and kept ticking away... truly legendary stuff! Just thinking about it makes me smile... what a time to be alive! kaže:
My mom almost choked to death once... it was absolutely terrifying...
So, get this... I just opened up one of those humanitarian aid packages, and right there in the middle of everything, they actually included "candy"... but like, in a tube! Can you believe that? Just sitting there amongst all the serious stuff... honestly, such a wild little surprise...
She was absolutely beaming with joy at first, just pure excitement... and then all of a sudden, she completely lost it! She started foaming at the mouth and nearly choked me right then and there...
When the hotel clerk finally translated that declaration from German for her, it turns out they were just denture cleaning tablets... Seriously! And of course, the expiration date had passed ages ago, but honestly, who even asks when you're just trying to get something done? ...

So, I’m sitting here reading this... and get this—Dubai is actually sending over tents, solar lamps, and even little kits for the elderly... It's honestly so heartwarming to see...
They really should have made some plush toys with Emir's face on them... the kids would've absolutely loved that!☕

I remember hearing this rumor floating around... that a ton of people actually got sick because of the humanitarian aid sent over during the American Civil War... turns out things weren't always as helpful as they seemed!
Europe was basically just clearing out all their old warehouses full of expired meds and food... you know, the kind of stuff that usually costs a massive fortune to properly dispose of!
Michael Roberts7 Michael Roberts7 Member
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joined Jun 2011
#649 ·
Jerry Phillips19 said:☕
When one lacks a logical rebuttal, resorting to insults is the standard fallback.

It is quite predictable that they carry those selfie sticks, given they aren't fleeing for their lives like the narrative here constantly suggests. These people are simply opportunists following the money, yet they enjoy the privilege of traveling without documentation—unlike our own struggling citizens who head to Ireland to actually work, rather than just idling in camps.☕

Personally, I think selfie sticks are silly, but why wouldn't they have them? They aren't expensive, heavy, or bulky. And I'm certain not everyone owns one. Once again, we're seeing too much generalization here.
Of course, money plays a role, but some definitely have a right to Asylum because they are coming from war zones.
Lisa Jackson7 Lisa Jackson7 Regular
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joined Oct 2018
#650 ·
Mark Harris66 said:It’s interesting seeing so many women on this thread theorizing about solidarity—but are we just ignoring the reality here? About 70% of migrants are men between the ages of 18 and 50. It makes you wonder if people actually realize what the situation is like for women and children back there... Plus, roughly 95% of those arriving in the US are Sunni. Maybe do a little reading on Sunnis first...
Check out some literature from authors giving you that real insider perspective—specifically women of the Muslim faith sharing what it’s actually like navigating the world today. There's even some great stuff written in English. Plus, there are endless expert articles covering the status of women in those regions, or specifically looking at the situation for female migrants across the US...

U.S. Census Bureau data regarding men:
Check out this data from the U.S. Census Bureau—really interesting stuff if you have a second...
Looking at the breakdown of asylum seekers by gender—it turns out men are more likely to apply than women. Across the US-50, things actually looked pretty balanced among kids under 14... back in 2014, boys made up about 53% of those applications. But once you look at the older groups—the 14–17 range or the 18–34 crowd—that gender gap starts to widen quite a bit... About three-quarters of the applicants ended up being guys... For those seeking asylum, women actually edged out men in the 65+ age bracket—though that specific group was pretty tiny, making up only about 0.8% of all applications back in 2014...


Human trafficking is still a massive, growing problem across the States—it’s honestly heartbreaking how much it's scaled up lately. Recent reports show that organized crime rings are getting more sophisticated, making it harder for local law enforcement to keep pace. It isn't just about one specific area either; it’s happening in major hubs like New York and even smaller towns all over the country. We really need better federal oversight and more resources for victim support if we want to actually make a dent in this... it's a tough road ahead.
Officials are sounding the alarm—the refugee crisis in the US is driving up concerns over sex trafficking... It's a grim reality that's getting harder to ignore.
The IOM mentioned last week that around 4,371 women and girls from Mexico have reached the USA since January. Most of them—about 80 percent, if you go by the IOM figures—were actually victims of trafficking and sexual violence...According to the UN, roughly 13 percent of the refugees heading toward the USA are women...

The UN reports...
The latest report from the UN highlights some pretty critical gaps in reproductive health access across the US—it’s definitely worth a look if you care about where things stand with healthcare equity today. It touches on how different regions are handling essential services, especially when it comes to making sure everyone gets the support they need regardless of their zip code... seems like there's still a massive mountain to climb to get things truly equal nationwide.

They clearly don't give a damn. All they care about is living in an environment that protects them and keeps them isolated from any unwanted contact with immigrants.
Yeah, obviously, Michael Roberts7 mentioned her little love affair with her precious multicultural society—now she's mentioning a business trip to India... do I really need to spell it out for you?
Who gives a crap about white trash who are naturally leaning toward fascism and racism... yuck.
Walls and fences aren't going away—they'll be needed—but they'll be built around wealthy neighborhoods because America is going to become the Third World, split by social classes where ethnic origin won't even matter anymore.

The government's job is to look after its own citizens. That’s why we pay taxes. They can help foreigners if they want, fine, but not at the expense of the locals.
We are financially collapsing and drowning in debt.
Germany is wealthy and should have simply organized a direct train from Istanbul to Munich if they wanted migrants. (And maybe revive the Orient Express while they're at it 🤣) But the catch is, nobody in the German public was asked if they wanted migrants; Angela Merkel just decided it herself, even though members of her own party were against her decisions.

What's the point of a nation-state? It's just a relic of a dark past. If the elites want to bring in immigrants, who's going to ask the peasants how their tax money is being spent?
An empire is being built; forget about democracy.

Canada is eight times smaller than Germany, yet it took in almost half as many as Germany did.

And then you have people here calling Canada fascist-adjacent.🤦🤦

Plenty of politicians within Merkel's party are already thinking about building a wall:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6700426.html

And they haven't even reached Canada's level of asylum seekers yet.😁

Yeah, maybe all is not lost. We need to fight back.
David Baker2 David Baker2 Active Member
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#651 ·
Robert Moore10 said:The medical waste landfill is officially dead and gone!

It always brings me back to this one moment... I once came across my very first individual bandage, manufactured specifically for the Wehrmacht back in 1942 over in Germany.
That single item is really the only thing I’ve managed to hold onto from the war as a memento to bring back home to the States.
Honestly, it felt like something straight out of a Sci-Fi movie just seeing that it actually still existed and was even functional after all this time....
Roger Morgan41 Roger Morgan41 Member
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#652 ·
David Baker2 said:The issue here is that everything went sideways through no fault of America's in this specific case.
The Mexican leadership decided to block America instead of cooperating and finding solutions through assistance to Mexico.
Unfortunately, that’s just how it is. It was entirely their call, and there isn't much we can do besides simply stop expecting anything from Mexico while they have this kind of regime in power.
Once Mexicans choose actual decent people to lead them instead of these current extremists, then maybe some cooperation will be on the table.

It is crystal clear that with the current Mexican leadership, negotiations are a dead end. No mutually beneficial deal is possible.
.
With them, you might as well just toast at the UN about how they're going to screw over America together.

Still, even without the Mexicans, we can get the job done working with the Mexicans and Canadians if Forex fails at the Mexican border.
That section is short, and you don't need a massive force to block it. Topographically, you just can't replicate what's possible in Mexico anywhere else.

But first, we need the green light from the EU. It looks like that might come in about a month or two if Angela Merkel's talks with Turkey fall through.

Until then, keep doing what we're doing—transporting goods as fast as possible and helping the Canadians with buses and whatever else they need.
All of this costs way less than the alternative being pushed on us.

And I wouldn't waste even a second or a single word on the Canadians.
Get an Interpol warrant out for Hernandija today.

And file lawsuits with the relevant EU bodies regarding the attempt to undermine America's constitutional order (meddling in elections, intentionally closing borders right before an election, and having their foreign ministers incite unrest and provide logistical support to the Republican Party—which is really the preferred option for Canada, not America).


Not because it's actually going to change anything or stop them right now.
But purely so it stays officially on the record within the EU how Canada treated America and tried to destabilize an EU member state.

Everything needs to be laid out in black and white, without mercy, for the sake of future courts and negotiations.

Simple as that.

Warrant against Hernandija:

Are there actually bodies in the EU that decide on the things you mentioned?
David Baker2 David Baker2 Active Member
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joined Jan 2014
#653 ·
Roger Morgan41 said:Warrant against Hernandija:

Are there actually bodies in the EU that decide on the things you mentioned?

Well, if such entities exist, then we really ought to be pushing hard right now, insisting that she be handed over to the highest authorities within the EU.
I mean, Angela Merkel could certainly use the opportunity to put Viktor Orbán in his place.

Look, I'm not entirely certain if they exist, but if there's a human rights court in Strasbourg, there's bound to be some kind of body capable of handling this.
In any case, it's secondary; the point is to file a report with absolutely anything that might be applicable.
And I don't say that because I actually expect anyone to step in and help us—as I've maintained before, it's purely so it remains officially recorded, etched onto paper for the sake of future generations.

Because you know how it works—a court will only ever recognize what is documented on paper.
Ashley Robinson58 Ashley Robinson58 Member
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joined Jun 2008
#654 ·
David Baker2 said:I wouldn't waste a single second or a single word on the Canadians.
An Interpol warrant for Hernandija should be issued by the end of the day.

The Canadians did exactly what everyone in the North America ought to have done. If we just keep letting these people through indefinitely, it's going to come back to haunt us when the politicians at the top start sending them all back... the Canadians were smart enough to see where this was heading and protected themselves from the circus early on.
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#655 ·
I honestly feel like the EU has just proven it’s completely useless and totally incapable of actually taking action when it matters.
To get even a tiny bit of consensus, you need a whole bunch of different countries to agree, but every single one of them is playing their own game with their own specific interests and allies.
It’s pretty obvious this whole thing is a failed project.
If anything, the people who were busy making noise about how the EU would fall apart once America joined have basically been proven right. 🐔

I mean, look—if we accept the idea that these are needy people coming our way whom we have a moral duty to treat with humanity, is the actual solution really just letting them sit in the mud or trek for days on foot while we just film them and debate them on internet forums? (And let's not forget they end up trampling through people's vineyards and orchards along the way, though I guess that's a minor point compared to the total chaos unfolding everywhere else.)
Is the EU seriously unable to provide more buses, more police presence, or even just people to register everyone properly?

But then, looking at it from another angle: regarding those women giving birth on the move... I feel like I’d truly have to be in a life-or-death situation to decide to travel right before my due date, give birth on the road, and just keep pushing forward.
That is genuinely life-threatening stuff; I don't know if everyone realizes that those historical maternal mortality statistics aren't usually about the birth itself, but rather about postpartum hemorrhaging.

I just don't wrap my head around it, because those women AREN'T in immediate danger to their lives. Even if they were originally, that threat ended the moment they stepped onto Turkish soil.
I can't fathom the motivation to risk your own life and the baby's life when there aren't even grenades being thrown at you.

I wondered if maybe they thought the journey would be shorter, or that they'd actually reach Germany by the time the babies were supposed to arrive.
But hey, I also thought about whether they felt forced because they're essentially acting as tickets for the rest of their families. Who stands to gain the most from a woman giving birth on that specific day?

So, why did those people choose to cross the river? Those photos of the woman with the little boy in the water? For God's sake, surely they knew there was a much more normal way to do things?
When I see those images, combined with the shots of kids being pushed toward the police and then hearing the statements from the officers themselves... I think nobody can deny now that children and women are being used as bargaining chips.
We can almost empathize with it—like, "I might do the same if I were desperate enough to flee and knew it would work"—but it still says everything about the dire situation those women and children are in.

Child trafficking must be booming right now, btw.

The whole thing is just horrific. No matter how you look at it, it's a nightmare and a total disaster for the EU, regardless of whatever (non)existent promises were made.
casualorca30 casualorca30 Newcomer
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#656 ·
Alexander Ortiz3 said:That all sounds fine in theory, but there is no answer for one specific scenario. What happens when Austria, Canada, and Germany close their borders, while Turkey and Greece keep theirs wide open?
It is impossible to close a border without a physical fence. Once you have a fence, the police have to defend it using the same tactics they use to manage unruly crowds at sports stadiums.
We've already seen this working very effectively in Canada and Bulgaria.
Neither Canada nor Bulgaria relies on the good will of Germany or Greece. Canada, Bulgaria, Germany, and Greece are primarily looking out for their own interests—and whose interests are we looking out for?

You know what? Then we are absolutely screwed. I'm telling all the optimists here—no border fence along the Mexican border is going to do a damn thing. Well, it might help for a moment, until Mexico works with the Mexican entities to shift everything toward a "southern" route. Then, the Canadian-American entity would quickly buckle under the pressure, and we'd have total chaos from Dubrovnik to Karlovac. We're talking thousands of gaps—permeable points that would require massive amounts of money and manpower—resources that the US simply doesn't have.

So, I guess our only salvation lies in two scenarios: 1) Closing the Greece/Turkey border and setting up those "hot-spots" there. 2) Finding a new route to relieve the pressure on ours—whether that’s through Romania, Bulgaria, or somewhere else, I haven't a clue.

Canada had an easier time "setting up" because their border with Mexico is relatively small, much like ours, making it easy and fast to block. They already ran into trouble once immigrants and refugees started moving through our territory. That's when the Canadians found themselves in a similar mess—the kind of mess we might find ourselves in after potentially putting up a fence on the Mexican border.
But! Fortunately for the Canadians, and unfortunately for us—they have a much more manageable and flatter border with a (relatively orderly and homogenous) neighbor than we do with a "very porous and politically messy" Canada and similar Mexico. Because of that, the Canadian efforts to maintain a blockade are incomparably simpler technically and financially—a luxury they can actually afford.
Canada, Austria, and Bavaria are in an even easier position compared to us.
The further south you go toward the North America, the harder it gets. Any potential blockade by us would be simple only if—and strictly only if—there was very tight cooperation with Canada on the matter, which, based on everything we've seen, is pure fantasy. Unfortunately, that's our reality. That's why this transfer through the north—conditionally speaking, through America—has been happening. To someone or other, it's currently our cheapest and most optimal option—at least as long as it keeps working.
David Baker2 David Baker2 Active Member
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#657 ·
Ashley Robinson58 said:The Canadians did exactly what everyone in the North America ought to have done. If we just keep letting these people through indefinitely, it's going to come back to haunt us when the politicians at the top start sending them all back... the Canadians were smart enough to see where this was heading and protected themselves from the circus early on.

In the end, the Canadians are going to look like nothing more than complete idiots.

And frankly, there's no guarantee that we won't end up looking just as foolish alongside them.
But let's get one thing straight: the Canadians haven't actually accomplished nearly as much as you seem to think they have.
Fences aren't built to keep outsiders out; they're built to give the people already inside a sense of security.

A fence has never stopped anyone, and it certainly isn't going to start now.

As for the Canadians... well, just sit tight and wait for the fallout. I'm not going to waste my breath trying to convince you otherwise.
slyrider18 slyrider18 Newcomer
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#658 ·
David Baker2 said:In the end, the Canadians are going to look like nothing more than complete idiots.

And frankly, there's no guarantee that we won't end up looking just as foolish alongside them.
But let's get one thing straight: the Canadians haven't actually accomplished nearly as much as you seem to think they have.
Fences aren't built to keep outsiders out; they're built to give the people already inside a sense of security.

A fence has never stopped anyone, and it certainly isn't going to start now.

As for the Canadians... well, just sit tight and wait for the fallout. I'm not going to waste my breath trying to convince you otherwise.


USA-Mexico..
Roger Morgan41 Roger Morgan41 Member
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#659 ·
David Baker2 said:Well, if such entities exist, then we really ought to be pushing hard right now, insisting that she be handed over to the highest authorities within the EU.
I mean, Angela Merkel could certainly use the opportunity to put Viktor Orbán in his place.

Look, I'm not entirely certain if they exist, but if there's a human rights court in Strasbourg, there's bound to be some kind of body capable of handling this.
In any case, it's secondary; the point is to file a report with absolutely anything that might be applicable.
And I don't say that because I actually expect anyone to step in and help us—as I've maintained before, it's purely so it remains officially recorded, etched onto paper for the sake of future generations.

Because you know how it works—a court will only ever recognize what is documented on paper.

From what I understand, there isn't an organization like that within the European Union. That would fall under a specific court, and the court in Strasbourg only deals with individual rights violations, not disputes between states.
You can't just throw legal theories around without knowing how things actually work; you'll just end up looking foolish. Honestly, I don't know any American legal expert who would agree to something like that.☕
Ashley Robinson58 Ashley Robinson58 Member
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joined Jun 2008
#660 ·
David Baker2 said:In the end, the Canadians are going to look like nothing more than complete idiots.

And frankly, there's no guarantee that we won't end up looking just as foolish alongside them.
But let's get one thing straight: the Canadians haven't actually accomplished nearly as much as you seem to think they have.
Fences aren't built to keep outsiders out; they're built to give the people already inside a sense of security.

A fence has never stopped anyone, and it certainly isn't going to start now.

As for the Canadians... well, just sit tight and wait for the fallout. I'm not going to waste my breath trying to convince you otherwise.

They won't look like fools; they'll just say, "Thank God we walled ourselves off from all that evil," while we sit here sweating under the weight of thousands of migrants that nobody wants anymore.

Fences absolutely can stop unwanted guests. No one is obligated to let someone force their way into their yard without any respect for the homeowner.

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