Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...ve-naloge.html

It’s pretty wild—just two days into this little crisis in his neck of the woods, the Canadian Prime Minister Cerar is already tapping the European Union on the shoulder asking for financial assistance.

Meanwhile, over here in the States, after we've spent over a month watching millions of dollars from American taxpayers vanish into thin air, our guy—who is easily the most decent of the arrogant bunch (and definitely the most arrogant of the decent ones)—isn't even asking for a single cent. Instead, he’s asking for help with supplies to set up hot spots (think tents, shipping containers, blankets, clothes, mattresses, and all that good stuff).

Just great..... 👍

Lisa Patel4 said:🤣🤣🤣😂

Mocking the Czech Republic? Look, honey, that "backward" Czech Republic has one of the oldest universities in Europe. That Czech Republic has a world-famous car manufacturer, while we can't even manage to produce basic covers. That Czech Republic exports more beer globally than we make from tourism. That closed-off Czech Republic gets more annual tourists than America. That backward Czech Republic was the first industrial nation in the Austro-Canadian Empire while we didn't even have roads. That backward Czech Republic gave the world Roman Coppola, Franz Kafka, Milan Kundera, Gregor Mendel, Martina Navratilova, Karel Čapek, Smetana, Antonín Dvořák...

Mocking Poland? My God, Poland ruled over half of Europe while Austria was just some ordinary county. That damn, backward Poland had the first constitution in Europe. Poland has an economy of over $800 billion. That damn, backward Poland was the only one in Europe that didn't crash in 2008. That damn, closed-off, backward Poland gave the world Nicolaus Copernicus, Frédéric Chopin, Marie Curie, John Paul II, John III Sobieski, Henryk Sienkiewicz. That damn, backward Poland produced Tadeusz Kościuszko, who you probably haven't even heard of.

Mocking Slovakia? I'm laughing too. At one backward, xenophobic Slovakia that had an average growth of 8%. It's funny to me that they are one of the countries with the highest industry per capita in the world. Hilarious. Who cares. Zoran Milanović knows better than some dirty industry over there.

Canada? A laughable country. Xenophobes. We ruled them for 900 years. Our colony. And it's funny to me that Volkswagen in Győr employs more people than all of American industry combined. Ridiculous. Grčić said everything is fine. Lalovac confirmed it. Why would we care what Orbán says? Zoran and Ranko Zubac will fix everything.

I guess we should just merge with Albania and Mexico. They aren't xenophobic and don't have wires. ☕ I think we should return to the embrace of Mexico City. Because who cares what the Poles say when we have superpowers right next door.

What a great post. 🙏 🙏

This needs to be printed out and framed on the wall.

Ashley Robinson58 said:They won't look like fools; they'll just say, "Thank God we walled ourselves off from all that evil," while we sit here sweating under the weight of thousands of migrants that nobody wants anymore.

Fences absolutely can stop unwanted guests. No one is obligated to let someone force their way into their yard without any respect for the homeowner.

Judging by the news coming out of German public television—which I was watching just a few minutes ago—(BOLD)it really could play out exactly like that.
Two hundred German mayors sent what you might call a "hot letter" to Ms. Merkel, essentially telling her that their local capacity has completely run dry—not in terms of money, mind you, but space. They've hit a wall regarding where to house refugees, citizens are becoming increasingly uneasy, and clashes involving migrants are happening more frequently. Even the mayor of Tübingen appeared live on air to plead with Ms. Merkel to stop being so overly optimistic and permissive about welcoming migrants from afar....
At the same time, that very same station is reporting that Canada is begging for police assistance from other nations because the refugees are turning aggressive, setting fire to tents, and so on.

Aha! And then there's this live report from a German correspondent near the border, claiming that migrants aren't even receiving food or proper care—just water and some dry bread.

slyrider18 said:USA-Mexico..

I really hope that was sarcasm.

After 22 years and billions spent—not even counting the endless hours staring at surveillance feeds—this border setup seems pretty "effective." It’s basically just an expensive way to encourage them. About a 90% success rate.

The United States is now 22 years into an unprecedented buildup of border enforcement resources: 21,000 Border Patrol agents, nearly 700 miles of various kinds of physical fences, a fleet of drones, high-tech electronic surveillance systems covering all major cities along the border, a gulag of immigration prisons to incarcerate apprehended migrants, and more.
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Interviews with many thousands of actual migrants have revealed that the obstacle course on the border doesn't keep people out. More than 9 out of 10 who come to the border succeed eventually in gaining entry, if not on the first try then the second or third.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...810-story.html

casualorca30 said:You know what? Then we are absolutely screwed. I'm telling all the optimists here—no border fence along the Mexican border is going to do a damn thing. Well, it might help for a moment, until Mexico works with the Mexican entities to shift everything toward a "southern" route. Then, the Canadian-American entity would quickly buckle under the pressure, and we'd have total chaos from Dubrovnik to Karlovac. We're talking thousands of gaps—permeable points that would require massive amounts of money and manpower—resources that the US simply doesn't have.

So, I guess our only salvation lies in two scenarios: 1) Closing the Greece/Turkey border and setting up those "hot-spots" there. 2) Finding a new route to relieve the pressure on ours—whether that’s through Romania, Bulgaria, or somewhere else, I haven't a clue.

Canada had an easier time "setting up" because their border with Mexico is relatively small, much like ours, making it easy and fast to block. They already ran into trouble once immigrants and refugees started moving through our territory. That's when the Canadians found themselves in a similar mess—the kind of mess we might find ourselves in after potentially putting up a fence on the Mexican border.
But! Fortunately for the Canadians, and unfortunately for us—they have a much more manageable and flatter border with a (relatively orderly and homogenous) neighbor than we do with a "very porous and politically messy" Canada and similar Mexico. Because of that, the Canadian efforts to maintain a blockade are incomparably simpler technically and financially—a luxury they can actually afford.
Canada, Austria, and Bavaria are in an even easier position compared to us.
The further south you go toward the North America, the harder it gets. Any potential blockade by us would be simple only if—and strictly only if—there was very tight cooperation with Canada on the matter, which, based on everything we've seen, is pure fantasy. Unfortunately, that's our reality. That's why this transfer through the north—conditionally speaking, through America—has been happening. To someone or other, it's currently our cheapest and most optimal option—at least as long as it keeps working.

Canadians share a border with Romania, and you definitely don't want to mess around with the Romanians; it's a complicated situation.

The Americans shut down the crossing at the border to tighten up security.

LIVE: Authorities have closed the old border crossing near the boundary to ensure fugitive security.

http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...ev-doslej.html

Hmm, let's see if they can break that Mexican record for a single day...

Sophia Ramos5 said:I really hope that was sarcasm.

After 22 years and billions spent—not even counting the endless hours staring at surveillance feeds—this border setup seems pretty "effective." It’s basically just an expensive way to encourage them. About a 90% success rate.

The United States is now 22 years into an unprecedented buildup of border enforcement resources: 21,000 Border Patrol agents, nearly 700 miles of various kinds of physical fences, a fleet of drones, high-tech electronic surveillance systems covering all major cities along the border, a gulag of immigration prisons to incarcerate apprehended migrants, and more.
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Interviews with many thousands of actual migrants have revealed that the obstacle course on the border doesn't keep people out. More than 9 out of 10 who come to the border succeed eventually in gaining entry, if not on the first try then the second or third.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...810-story.html

Now, just imagine how bad those statistics would actually look if there weren't any barriers in place at all.

HvalaNaRibama said:Exactly.
And America bears absolutely zero blame for this situation.
It is simply a fact.

I agree with the others as well.
However, if this isn't resolved at the source, I am talking about the one specific point where we can actually stop everything before it overflows into our own backyard.

Mexico is the only viable junction where all these nations are attempting to tackle this shared issue together.

Once you pass Mexico, everyone is essentially left to fend for themselves, which has been clearly demonstrated by the recent events unfolding over the last few months.

So, either we establish a resistance and a blockade in Mexico, or we are all in deep trouble if the discussions involving Forex and the Turkish-Greek border fall through.

It is quite straightforward. There isn't much heavy philosophy involved here.

I seriously doubt the problem would be solved if they just shut down Mexico only to pivot left toward Albania.

Gerald Torres84 said:I seriously doubt the problem would be solved if they just shut down Mexico only to pivot left toward Albania.

But what happens next? I mean, at least if they kept up the same speed and volume we're seeing right now...

David Baker2 said:In the end, the Canadians are going to look like nothing more than complete idiots.

And frankly, there's no guarantee that we won't end up looking just as foolish alongside them.
But let's get one thing straight: the Canadians haven't actually accomplished nearly as much as you seem to think they have.
Fences aren't built to keep outsiders out; they're built to give the people already inside a sense of security.

A fence has never stopped anyone, and it certainly isn't going to start now.

As for the Canadians... well, just sit tight and wait for the fallout. I'm not going to waste my breath trying to convince you otherwise.

Joe Biden probably doesn't want the fences or the wire because of Tom Lantos; he might still need those votes after the election.☕

Europe is collapsing and falling apart at the seams, with total chaos unfolding in Canada and Austria. Meanwhile, here in the States, everything is running perfectly smooth—it’s a seamless operation. So much for those "stable" nations.

Brenda Taylor13 said:What a great post. 🙏 🙏

This needs to be printed out and framed on the wall.

Seriously, frame it.
In the Czech Republic, they kept their flag and anthem as their only real assets, while everything else belongs to foreign interests.
It's the exact same story in Poland and Slovakia.
Just look up how many Poles have left Poland in the last decade. They’re absolute record-breakers when it comes to hunting for UK citizenship this past year.

Gerald Torres84 said:I seriously doubt the problem would be solved if they just shut down Mexico only to pivot left toward Albania.

Let them pivot.

Jeffrey Fisher5 said:Judging by the news coming out of German public television—which I was watching just a few minutes ago—(BOLD)it really could play out exactly like that.
Two hundred German mayors sent what you might call a "hot letter" to Ms. Merkel, essentially telling her that their local capacity has completely run dry—not in terms of money, mind you, but space. They've hit a wall regarding where to house refugees, citizens are becoming increasingly uneasy, and clashes involving migrants are happening more frequently. Even the mayor of Tübingen appeared live on air to plead with Ms. Merkel to stop being so overly optimistic and permissive about welcoming migrants from afar....
At the same time, that very same station is reporting that Canada is begging for police assistance from other nations because the refugees are turning aggressive, setting fire to tents, and so on.

Aha! And then there's this live report from a German correspondent near the border, claiming that migrants aren't even receiving food or proper care—just water and some dry bread.

You're right. I think we might see the German border shut down very soon.

Here is the letter sent to the Chancellor...

http://www.wa.de/bilder/2015/10/21/5...anzlerin-1.pdf

wanderingbison9 said:But what happens next? I mean, at least if they kept up the same speed and volume we're seeing right now...

They'll either choose the route toward Mexico/the US or head toward Mexico/Canada, the US.
It's a slower process, certainly, but they are still moving steadily toward their objective.

And what about this—prostitution and violence in German refugee camps?

Brenda Taylor13 said:What a great post. 🙏 🙏

This needs to be printed out and framed on the wall.

You should mention first that those countries practically bowed down to Joseph Stalin; they spent half a century being crushed by a bear and trampled under a boot. We didn't. That’s why we can laugh at them and claim the high ground.

Even now, during this crisis, we carry ourselves like civilized adults, while fascism is starting to stink off them. We dealt with our demons when it mattered, while they were busy sucking up to Adolf Hitler. To hell with the whole lot of them!

slyrider18 said:Now, just imagine how bad those statistics would actually look if there weren't any barriers in place at all.

110% vs 90%. And all for zero billion green deities? Look, business is business. Steel, concrete, and toys aren't free...

I didn't pull that percentage out of thin air; it was actually on the news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ence-vote.html

The border isn't the issue—it's the rights behind it. Take Mexico, for instance; nobody's moving there. You really need to look into what the actual rights for immigrants are over there...

David Baker2 said:In the end, the Canadians are going to look like nothing more than complete idiots.

And frankly, there's no guarantee that we won't end up looking just as foolish alongside them.
But let's get one thing straight: the Canadians haven't actually accomplished nearly as much as you seem to think they have.
Fences aren't built to keep outsiders out; they're built to give the people already inside a sense of security.

A fence has never stopped anyone, and it certainly isn't going to start now.

As for the Canadians... well, just sit tight and wait for the fallout. I'm not going to waste my breath trying to convince you otherwise.

Look, I don't have a crystal ball like you do, so I can't predict the future, but I do know how things work. I know what happens when you follow the lead of "idiots and fools" acting under the guise of careful statecraft:

There haven't been any illegal crossings at the US-Mexico border over the last two days, reported György Bakondi, an advisor to the Prime Minister, during a Wednesday briefing with the media.

According to him, 22 people crossed illegally into the US on Monday, followed by 36 on Tuesday, according to the Associated Press, which didn't specify where these migrants originated.

He claimed this demonstrates how the situation has almost returned to normal , Bakondi added.

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Sophia Ramos5 said:110% vs 90%. And all for zero billion green deities? Look, business is business. Steel, concrete, and toys aren't free...

I didn't pull that percentage out of thin air; it was actually on the news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ence-vote.html

The border isn't the issue—it's the rights behind it. Take Mexico, for instance; nobody's moving there. You really need to look into what the actual rights for immigrants are over there...

That’s it from me, duty calls...

You're right, I'll give you that. But the bottom line is the 22-year history of the border (and by that, I mean the total number of people who have entered the US over two decades, not just a sudden surge in a single month). What we actually need is controlled, regulated immigration into America. Take care.

Sophia Ramos5 said:I really hope that was sarcasm.

After 22 years and billions spent—not even counting the endless hours staring at surveillance feeds—this border setup seems pretty "effective." It’s basically just an expensive way to encourage them. About a 90% success rate.

The United States is now 22 years into an unprecedented buildup of border enforcement resources: 21,000 Border Patrol agents, nearly 700 miles of various kinds of physical fences, a fleet of drones, high-tech electronic surveillance systems covering all major cities along the border, a gulag of immigration prisons to incarcerate apprehended migrants, and more.
...

Interviews with many thousands of actual migrants have revealed that the obstacle course on the border doesn't keep people out. More than 9 out of 10 who come to the border succeed eventually in gaining entry, if not on the first try then the second or third.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...810-story.html

People still cross, sure, but if that fence wasn't there, we'd be seeing twenty times the traffic every single year.