Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Gerald Torres84 said:They'll either choose the route toward Mexico/the US or head toward Mexico/Canada, the US.
It's a slower process, certainly, but they are still moving steadily toward their objective.

But isn't the goal right now to make things move slowly and selectively? The real question is, who among those economic migrants will actually decide to take the trip if their only options involve navigating through remote areas near the southern borders, given that certain routes might be blocked? Wouldn't it be easier to just stay put rather than deal with the chaos of crossing through parts of Central America?

The ultimate solution—if you want my two cents 😬—would be to stop them from even entering the region from overseas in the first place...

Just an idea here, but we should have paved all the crossings along the border with Mexico and poured concrete about 20 yards wide on either side to make room for tents. Over in Europe, they go from Canada to Austria on solid asphalt. Here, you’re wading through knee-deep mud.

People are mostly arriving by bus, and then out of nowhere, small groups start showing up on foot. They just swarm through, moving about 500 yards down a secured corridor toward the border and their camp—it's totally unorganized compared to how things used to be.

When we can't even agree on how to run the Orient Express anymore.

hiddentiger28 said:People still cross, sure, but if that fence wasn't there, we'd be seeing twenty times the traffic every single year.

The tide is about to turn. They're looking at legalizing marijuana in Mexico. The idea is to finally take the power away from the cartels and give the economy a boost. Medical tourism, obviously.😁

Quote : US Supreme Court to Consider Legalizing Recreational Marijuana Later this Month http://www.theweedblog.com/us-su

http://www.theweedblog.com/us-su...er-this-month/

Ashley Robinson58 said:They won't look like fools; they'll just say, "Thank God we walled ourselves off from all that evil," while we sit here sweating under the weight of thousands of migrants that nobody wants anymore.

Fences absolutely can stop unwanted guests. No one is obligated to let someone force their way into their yard without any respect for the homeowner.

I would truly love—honestly, for the sake of all of you who seem to believe some fence is going to be your magical salvation—if the Department of Homeland Security would just decide to unload three or four trains and about a hundred buses full of people onto that Canadian wire all at once, just to see ten thousand refugees pile up against it within a twelve-hour window.

After twenty-four hours of watching that happen, I’d love to sit down and ask you what you think about the effectiveness of that wire. ☕

The only reason that barrier on the border actually "works" isn't because of the steel; it's solely because the flow was redirected toward us from Mexico, and then we diverted the direction toward the Americans in the Midwest.

So, the wire hasn't solved a single thing.

And I would really, truly—even if you call me a villain for saying it, but sometimes a man has no other way to make a point—love to see DHS gather ten thousand people in a staging area and perform one express delivery right onto that line.

Just so the idea that a wire is a solution finally gets hammered into your heads.

Without firing shots and using force, you aren't stopping those people.
You could install sixteen rows of concertina wire, but if you don't intend to use lethal force, you're just wasting your time painting the fence. ☕

But hey, go ahead, keep drooling over how "ingenious" Viktor Orbán is. If that's what brings you satisfaction and makes you happy, who am I to stand in your way? 🤷

slyrider18 said:Now, just imagine how bad those statistics would actually look if there weren't any barriers in place at all.

10% higher

Mark Harris66 said:And what about this—prostitution and violence in German refugee camps?

I guess the media is finally starting to get a bit more objective and actually stick to the facts, mostly because they're finally feeling the heat and realizing they can't ignore the reality on the ground anymore.

electricorca112 said:Look, I don't have a crystal ball like you do, so I can't predict the future, but I do know how things work. I know what happens when you follow the lead of "idiots and fools" acting under the guise of careful statecraft:

There haven't been any illegal crossings at the US-Mexico border over the last two days, reported György Bakondi, an advisor to the Prime Minister, during a Wednesday briefing with the media.

According to him, 22 people crossed illegally into the US on Monday, followed by 36 on Tuesday, according to the Associated Press, which didn't specify where these migrants originated.

He claimed this demonstrates how the situation has almost returned to normal , Bakondi added.

🍿

Just how much does consuming all that junk food and sugary garbage actually erode your intelligence and your ability to think with even a shred of common sense?

Why aren't there any crossings happening?

Is it perhaps because 20,000 refugees are currently standing right at the border near Texas and can't move an inch past the fence line?

Or is someone else entirely responsible for this, and should the people at the border be expected to feel nothing but gratitude toward someone else just because there isn't total chaos and bodies piling up on their doorstep?

For heaven's sake, please, just try using your brains for once and actually grasp the connection between cause and effect—try to understand the actual relationship between why things happen and what follows. ☕

David Baker2 said:I would truly love—honestly, for the sake of all of you who seem to believe some fence is going to be your magical salvation—if the Department of Homeland Security would just decide to unload three or four trains and about a hundred buses full of people onto that Canadian wire all at once, just to see ten thousand refugees pile up against it within a twelve-hour window.

After twenty-four hours of watching that happen, I’d love to sit down and ask you what you think about the effectiveness of that wire. ☕

The only reason that barrier on the border actually "works" isn't because of the steel; it's solely because the flow was redirected toward us from Mexico, and then we diverted the direction toward the Americans in the Midwest.

So, the wire hasn't solved a single thing.

And I would really, truly—even if you call me a villain for saying it, but sometimes a man has no other way to make a point—love to see DHS gather ten thousand people in a staging area and perform one express delivery right onto that line.

Just so the idea that a wire is a solution finally gets hammered into your heads.

Without firing shots and using force, you aren't stopping those people.
You could install sixteen rows of concertina wire, but if you don't intend to use lethal force, you're just wasting your time painting the fence. ☕

But hey, go ahead, keep drooling over how "ingenious" Viktor Orbán is. If that's what brings you satisfaction and makes you happy, who am I to stand in your way? 🤷

Of course that wire couldn't stop such a huge number of migrants all by itself, but it would certainly make life a lot easier for the police, since being blasted by water cannons in the freezing cold is no fun at all... Orban is a smart man and he knows exactly what he's doing. It was all explained in that interview on CNN yesterday; if you're smart, you can read between the lines.

pinzgauer said:The bottom line is that you and Rankin think you’re such brilliant intellectuals, driving refugees right through your own backyard, all while those clueless Canadians—who haven't solved a single thing with their little wire fence—just sit there watching and laughing at you. 👏

Those people in Canada can play the genius role all they want, but just wait until we start piling refugees up against that precious little fence of theirs; I guarantee their laughter will turn to pure panic instantly. Especially after they get that first frantic phone call from Soros.

And don't even get me started on the rest of you fence-worshippers who are right there alongside them. ☕

There's actually a fix for Canada too:

The system collapsed, so we shouldn't be letting Canadian trucks through.

Set up heated container settlements at the border crossings. That way, I can push the border limits.

Nationalize the national oil company based on a final court ruling.

What? You want—and you can—to move 20,000 units a day through Canada? Easy.

Frank Sanchez37 said:Of course that wire couldn't stop such a huge number of migrants all by itself, but it would certainly make life a lot easier for the police, since being blasted by water cannons in the freezing cold is no fun at all... Orban is a smart man and he knows exactly what he's doing. It was all explained in that interview on CNN yesterday; if you're smart, you can read between the lines.

Did those water cannons actually stop anyone at the US-Mexico border?
Or did everyone just pivot toward our side after that, making it look like the folks down south were some kind of unstoppable force when, in reality, we just took the brunt of the shift?

But fine, whatever. Who am I to try and enlighten any of you.
Go ahead and cling to your little fantasies for as long as they provide you comfort.

...a literal utopia on earth, right? 🙂

David Baker2 said:I would truly love—honestly, for the sake of all of you who seem to believe some fence is going to be your magical salvation—if the Department of Homeland Security would just decide to unload three or four trains and about a hundred buses full of people onto that Canadian wire all at once, just to see ten thousand refugees pile up against it within a twelve-hour window.

After twenty-four hours of watching that happen, I’d love to sit down and ask you what you think about the effectiveness of that wire. ☕

The only reason that barrier on the border actually "works" isn't because of the steel; it's solely because the flow was redirected toward us from Mexico, and then we diverted the direction toward the Americans in the Midwest.

So, the wire hasn't solved a single thing.

And I would really, truly—even if you call me a villain for saying it, but sometimes a man has no other way to make a point—love to see DHS gather ten thousand people in a staging area and perform one express delivery right onto that line.

Just so the idea that a wire is a solution finally gets hammered into your heads.

Without firing shots and using force, you aren't stopping those people.
You could install sixteen rows of concertina wire, but if you don't intend to use lethal force, you're just wasting your time painting the fence. ☕

But hey, go ahead, keep drooling over how "ingenious" Viktor Orbán is. If that's what brings you satisfaction and makes you happy, who am I to stand in your way? 🤷

Exactly.

It’s going to stay like this until things boil over into violence. People are like ants—if they hit an obstacle, they either find a way around it or they just climb right over it.
Violence is inevitable. Once they realize there’s nowhere left to go, they’ll clash with the locals where they are. Then comes the scramble for resources—food, heating (and winter is coming fast)...
It can't end any other way than through conflict. The only question is how high it’s going to escalate.

Journal 1 SLO1 13:00 – They’re dropping infrared footage as proof that our police are directing traffic at the border.

The real question is: when does the violence actually stop? When will enough be enough?

The radical right is sweeping across the continent, and they clearly view Viktor Orbán as their blueprint.

I’m not sure if you caught the news segments last night, but over here we saw footage of far-right groups in Germany showing him total support, even carrying signs in his honor...

They actually invited everyone with similar leanings to the meeting—including our local Anti-Defamation League types from Atlanta 🤣 (you know, those "far-right" extremists who are constantly getting picked up by the police)

David Baker2 said:Did those water cannons actually stop anyone at the US-Mexico border?
Or did everyone just pivot toward our side after that, making it look like the folks down south were some kind of unstoppable force when, in reality, we just took the brunt of the shift?

But fine, whatever. Who am I to try and enlighten any of you.
Go ahead and cling to your little fantasies for as long as they provide you comfort.

...a literal utopia on earth, right? 🙂

Personally, I have this gut feeling that whenever these folks try to push through into Canada, the Canadian authorities just blast them with those water cannons and they immediately turn tail and run—so much so that the cannons aren't even really "stopping" them so much as just scaring them off. It's like they're cowards who are terrified of mobile police units; if the police stayed put, they might actually stay and fight, but they won't. Anyway, none of this is actually going to happen, because we aren't going to be sending massive waves of people over to Canada. I mean, we always say that if everyone else shuts their borders, we’ll shut ours too... at least, that's the line we feed ourselves.

David Baker2 said:Did those water cannons actually stop anyone at the US-Mexico border?
Or did everyone just pivot toward our side after that, making it look like the folks down south were some kind of unstoppable force when, in reality, we just took the brunt of the shift?

But fine, whatever. Who am I to try and enlighten any of you.
Go ahead and cling to your little fantasies for as long as they provide you comfort.

...a literal utopia on earth, right? 🙂

What are you even talking about? People in Mexico go wherever they want; the only thing happening is that the police in Preševo and Mexico City tell the independent truckers which routes they're allowed to take.😛😵

wanderingbison9 said:What are you even talking about? People in Mexico go wherever they want; the only thing happening is that the police in Preševo and Mexico City tell the independent truckers which routes they're allowed to take.😛😵

Exactly. And honestly, the President hates the Canadians so much he won't even unload them at their border, instead he just hands them off to his buddies in Canada.
The wire fence isn't the issue. No way.
Migrants aren't going through Canada, so they just don't.
🤣

Patrick Castillo4 said:Exactly.

It’s going to stay like this until things boil over into violence. People are like ants—if they hit an obstacle, they either find a way around it or they just climb right over it.
Violence is inevitable. Once they realize there’s nowhere left to go, they’ll clash with the locals where they are. Then comes the scramble for resources—food, heating (and winter is coming fast)...
It can't end any other way than through conflict. The only question is how high it’s going to escalate.

It would be incredibly naive to assume anything other than a maximum escalation.

Alex Miller3 said:Okay, fine, so what? What are we supposed to do now that it's like this?
Everything said is true. So what's the move? What's your actual solution for how America should handle this...?
Give me something concrete and actually useful, please.

Do you guys even realize what a pathetic position we're in right now?

It’s not an "impossible corner." The solution is simple—build a wall.

How many more days have to pass before any of this actually sinks in?