Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

David Baker2 said:To put what that guy was saying into my own words... 2016 is a lifetime ago now.

Precisely. We need to focus on looking out for ourselves until 2016 arrives. Only then can we worry about anything else.

Our immediate concerns lie with the migrant crisis and the tensions at our borders, rather than with Soros or his ilk.
When those issues finally come knocking at our door, we will deal with them then.

Gregory Hall66 said:Precisely. We need to focus on looking out for ourselves until 2016 arrives. Only then can we worry about anything else.

Our immediate concerns lie with the migrant crisis and the tensions at our borders, rather than with Soros or his ilk.
When those issues finally come knocking at our door, we will deal with them then.

That is exactly what the current administration is doing, and honestly, given how things are playing out, I think they’ve done a stellar job so far minimizing the fallout.

Plus, we've already established enough contingencies regarding where we can pivot if we run into a total blockade at the border with someone like Missouri or wherever.

Like I mentioned before—send the women and children toward one state and the men without kids toward another—just move them all instantly.

There isn't even a need to try and stop anyone, because let's be real, nobody is actually looking to settle down here anyway.

Frankly, it feels redundant to keep repeating the exact same arguments I laid out way back when I started posting on Vail vol. 1.

And so far, I haven't been proven wrong once.

The real issue—the thing that makes me fear we are going to be caught completely off guard—is something I shouldn't even bring up, otherwise people will start accusing me of fearmongering again.

But I'm not. I simply prefer to think two steps ahead of everyone else.

David Baker2 said:As things stand, they’re trying to push everything through Canada.

Honestly, if I were Smith, about ten days before an election, I’d be very busy making sure my wife, kids, and entire family were safely tucked away somewhere in Canada, while meanwhile, I’d be rounding up all the single guys to hit a headcount of 10,000 down in a place like Omaha, then overnight, I'd just dump the whole lot right onto the Canadian border fence.

Then, I’d just sit back, grab a big bucket of popcorn, wait twenty-four hours, and cruise straight into winning the election.

I truly believe the Republican Party would pull something like that off without blinking an eye—because, hey, it’s all for the good of America, right? ☕

Man, I hauled my ass all the way down to the local polling station in a massive pickup truck and just sat there through the whole damn thing until the election was finally wrapped up.

braggart I can't even begin to process what was said there... seriously, where do we even start with this kind of nonsense? It’s like someone just decided to throw a bunch of half-baked ideas at the wall to see what sticks, right? Honestly, I feel like I'm losing my mind just trying to make sense of the logic—or lack thereof—being tossed around here. Does anyone actually believe this stuff? Is there even a shred of common sense left in the room? It’s just one thing after another with people thinking they can just say whatever pops into their heads without any regard for how ridiculous it sounds to everyone else. I mean, really, are we supposed to just sit here and nod along while the whole argument falls apart in real-time? It's exhausting, truly.
You know, there’s that old bit of wisdom people always toss around—you know the one—that it’s way better to overstate how tough your opponent is than to go underestimating them. Seriously, why do people even bother being cocky? It’s like they’re just begging for a reality check. If you think you've got things totally in the bag and then get blindsided because you didn't respect the competition, what does that actually say about you? Better to play it safe and assume they're coming for your neck, right?

Honestly, there’s an even better way to do it—just blast the damn thing with a high-pressure hose from a tanker truck instead of wasting time with one of those little hand sprayers. Why bother with the small stuff when you could just go big?

David Baker2 said:You know, there’s an old bit of wisdom floating around that suggests it is always better to overestimate an opponent than to underestimate them.

Otherwise, you might just lose the whole war because you were too busy worrying about a cup of tea.

I have no idea who is underestimating or overestimating whom here... Didn't Joe Biden say he would do whatever it takes?🙄

Brenda Taylor13 said:People need to shove this in the face of every single "know-it-all" who asks, "Well, how would a wall actually help us?" It helps exactly the same way it helped Canada! Unlike America, where thousands of immigrants are still finding ways to sneak in through illegal routes every single day, Canada saw their numbers drop to just 22 after they put up the fence. Twenty-two! Can you believe that?

Yeah, right—as if America doesn't have its own unique situation compared to Canada. Our neighbor to the southwest isn't some other sovereign nation we can just funnel people through; it’s the open Atlantic! Any comparison to Canada and their wall is just a clear sign that someone fundamentally fails to grasp both the reality of the situation and the actual geography involved. Of course, it’s hard not to get swept up in the political mudslinging regarding what is, frankly, a fairly manageable refugee situation here in the States.

The only thing we'll achieve by building a wall on the southern border is encouraging people to bypass it by trekking through Mexico into parts of the country that are even harder to monitor—or, at the very least, areas we desperately need to keep stable during these migration waves.

vividraven26 said:Man, I hauled my ass all the way down to the local polling station in a massive pickup truck and just sat there through the whole damn thing until the election was finally wrapped up.

braggart I can't even begin to process what was said there... seriously, where do we even start with this kind of nonsense? It’s like someone just decided to throw a bunch of half-baked ideas at the wall to see what sticks, right? Honestly, I feel like I'm losing my mind just trying to make sense of the logic—or lack thereof—being tossed around here. Does anyone actually believe this stuff? Is there even a shred of common sense left in the room? It’s just one thing after another with people thinking they can just say whatever pops into their heads without any regard for how ridiculous it sounds to everyone else. I mean, really, are we supposed to just sit here and nod along while the whole argument falls apart in real-time? It's exhausting, truly.
You know, there’s that old bit of wisdom people always toss around—you know the one—that it’s way better to overstate how tough your opponent is than to go underestimating them. Seriously, why do people even bother being cocky? It’s like they’re just begging for a reality check. If you think you've got things totally in the bag and then get blindsided because you didn't respect the competition, what does that actually say about you? Better to play it safe and assume they're coming for your neck, right?

Honestly, there’s an even better way to do it—just blast the damn thing with a high-pressure hose from a tanker truck instead of wasting time with one of those little hand sprayers. Why bother with the small stuff when you could just go big?

So?
What are you waiting for?
Why aren't you already down at the border doing it right now?

Oh, wait, I forgot—you'd much rather sit back and pretend to be busy while someone else does all the heavy lifting. ☕

I was just sitting here thinking about what would be truly "hilarious" to witness.

Imagine if the Republican Party finally took power and shut down the border tight, but then—against all logic—migrants just kept trying to push their way into the US anyway. And then, in some dark twist of fate, the US starts using lethal force to stop them, only for the "international community" to turn around and act all sympathetic toward our response.

I honestly find myself wondering what those typical Republican sycophants on the forums would even say in a situation like that.🤔

David Baker2 said:That is exactly what the current administration is doing, and honestly, given how things are playing out, I think they’ve done a stellar job so far minimizing the fallout.

Plus, we've already established enough contingencies regarding where we can pivot if we run into a total blockade at the border with someone like Missouri or wherever.

Like I mentioned before—send the women and children toward one state and the men without kids toward another—just move them all instantly.

There isn't even a need to try and stop anyone, because let's be real, nobody is actually looking to settle down here anyway.

Frankly, it feels redundant to keep repeating the exact same arguments I laid out way back when I started posting on Vail vol. 1.

And so far, I haven't been proven wrong once.

The real issue—the thing that makes me fear we are going to be caught completely off guard—is something I shouldn't even bring up, otherwise people will start accusing me of fearmongering again.

But I'm not. I simply prefer to think two steps ahead of everyone else.

Just say it already. We love a good panic merchant.😁

wiredbadger62 said:I was just sitting here thinking about what would be truly "hilarious" to witness.

Imagine if the Republican Party finally took power and shut down the border tight, but then—against all logic—migrants just kept trying to push their way into the US anyway. And then, in some dark twist of fate, the US starts using lethal force to stop them, only for the "international community" to turn around and act all sympathetic toward our response.

I honestly find myself wondering what those typical Republican sycophants on the forums would even say in a situation like that.🤔

Honestly, I’d bet my life that both Viktor Orbán and Aleksandar Vučić are probably kneeling at an altar twice a day praying for exactly that scenario.

This whole little charade they're running—which, if you ask me, is being shortsightedly or perhaps quite maliciously enabled by President Kolinda and the Republican Party—is being orchestrated toward that very outcome.
It's a game of chicken to see who pulls the trigger first.

Sadly, that is the grim reality of how this all boils down.

Honestly, the best move would be for the folks at the border to just shut the gates tight, then all these immigrants would realize they can't make it through this route to anywhere else.
But hey, look—I think I’ve actually cracked the code here:
just shut down Germany entirely.
Or better yet, scrap the whole welfare system.

Scrap social security and welfare? Yeah, exactly.

What a brilliant little scheme—use the influx of immigrants as an excuse to either kill off or just gut our entire social safety net. 😁

And we'll all just sit here cheering and praying to the powers that be to finally pull the plug on our benefits. Absolutely priceless. 🤣

electricorca112 said:Look, I don't have a crystal ball like you do, so I can't predict the future, but I do know how things work. I know what happens when you follow the lead of "idiots and fools" acting under the guise of careful statecraft:

There haven't been any illegal crossings at the US-Mexico border over the last two days, reported György Bakondi, an advisor to the Prime Minister, during a Wednesday briefing with the media.

According to him, 22 people crossed illegally into the US on Monday, followed by 36 on Tuesday, according to the Associated Press, which didn't specify where these migrants originated.

He claimed this demonstrates how the situation has almost returned to normal , Bakondi added.

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🙏

Viktor Orbán is a god.
He’s the one—and honestly, the only one—who actually gets it and takes action.
These absolute caricatures passing themselves off as leaders—the Germans, the Frenchmen, the Austrians, Americans, and all the other traitors to their own people—they haven't the slightest clue what's hitting them. They're as dim as a broken lightbulb.
I genuinely can't tell if there's ever been a more brainless collection of politicians running things in the Western world.

Karen Richardson3 said:But honestly, from what we're seeing in the footage, the police are really just trying to hold the line and maintain order by using stuff like tear gas, yet the crowds just regroup and push right through anyway. It’s wild because they’re actually putting kids in the front lines—you can see it in the officer statements and the photos—basically using children as human shields to break through the cordons.

At the end of the day, the police just end up giving in because they can't be given an order like "start shooting if the tear gas isn't working." Technically, we're dealing with asylum seekers here, and since they're refusing to even register themselves—which we can figure out based on how people have been burning tents over in Canada—it becomes impossible to tell who actually has a legal claim to asylum and who’s just bypassing the system.

The whole situation is just pure chaos.
It’s heartbreaking to see women giving birth right by the roadside and then having to get back on their feet immediately to keep moving.
These migrants aren't willing to spend even a day or two in a processing center to get registered and moved along via organized transport.
They’re wading through rivers and we're watching them soaked to the bone, even though they don't even need to be crossing water like that.
Then they turn around and accuse us of being inhumane, throwing out these moralizing talking points that sound great on paper but don't match reality.
European Union politicians are basically just putting on a show for the public (Canada is running the same kind of political theater we saw back when the border issues first started; the only difference was we blocked truck traffic just so Joe Biden could score some election points, wasn't that his one big "statesman" move? 🤣 😁 ).
Total mess.

There has to be a way to stop them. It’s obvious they aren't fleeing war; they want to force their way into Western Europe. This whole thing is carefully orchestrated, yet Europe remains paralyzed by indecision, unable to act.

The only solution is to draw a hard line and say, "You aren't crossing this border," regardless of the chaos.

darkotter35 said:🙏

Viktor Orbán is a god.
He’s the one—and honestly, the only one—who actually gets it and takes action.
These absolute caricatures passing themselves off as leaders—the Germans, the Frenchmen, the Austrians, Americans, and all the other traitors to their own people—they haven't the slightest clue what's hitting them. They're as dim as a broken lightbulb.
I genuinely can't tell if there's ever been a more brainless collection of politicians running things in the Western world.

Spot on. The real question though—is it just pure stupidity, or are they actually naive enough to believe in some lofty humanitarian ideals? Like, are they really willing to throw the entire fate of their nation and their people down the drain for an ideal?

Then again, maybe they aren't being naive at all...

David Baker2 said:So?
What are you waiting for?
Why aren't you already down at the border doing it right now?

Oh, wait, I forgot—you'd much rather sit back and pretend to be busy while someone else does all the heavy lifting. ☕

Honestly, why don't you just round up 10,000 guys and march them straight to the fence in Texas so you can sit back and eat popcorn? Like, is someone else gonna do the actual work while you just snack on your popcorn by yourself?

Because Viktor Orbán will just settle them down immediately, just like he always does. That guy's a genius, really.

I was actually thinking the exact same thing yesterday—how could we fix this whole mess in a single day? Just have every state scrap social welfare entirely. Not a cut, but a total wipeout 😬 what a coincidence

Jeffrey Watson13 said:I was actually thinking the exact same thing yesterday—how could we fix this whole mess in a single day? Just have every state scrap social welfare entirely. Not a cut, but a total wipeout 😬 what a coincidence

we're basically becoming America. *claps*
privatize healthcare, kill off the safety net, and just hijack the whole damn country. amen.

you work, you breathe. you stop working? bye-bye. *claps*

I find myself quite compelled to address the recent developments, though I suspect my observations might strike some as overly pedantic or perhaps even a bit excessive in their length. It is truly remarkable how the discourse shifts when one considers the broader implications of our current political climate here in America. I was sitting in a small cafe in downtown Chicago just the other day—not that the location matters, though the espresso was admittedly subpar—and I found myself reflecting on how we often miss the forest for the trees. We get caught up in the minutiae of local policy while ignoring the tectonic shifts happening right under our feet in Washington, D.C. It’s exhausting, really, to watch the constant bickering without any sense of structural foresight. One cannot help but feel that we are drifting toward a certain kind of chaos if we don't tighten our grip on the fundamental principles that hold this nation together. It’s all very much a matter of momentum, isn't it? Once you lose that, you’re simply spinning your wheels in the mud. kaže:
Oh, please, just go ahead and write it then—honestly, we all absolutely live for the drama and the panic!😁

I shall simply state this:
As someone currently serving my military obligations, I find myself sitting here in a state of utter confusion, quite frankly, because I still haven't the slightest clue where my designated assembly point is supposed to be. It’s truly baffling when you consider the sheer lack of clarity regarding the protocol; I mean, if a major natural disaster were to strike this country tomorrow, I wouldn't even know which unit to report to or who exactly I am expected to check in with. It feels incredibly disorganized, almost negligent, to leave us in such a lurch without clear instructions on our specific duty stations during a national emergency.

That is quite literally the only thing I find fault with regarding the current administration’s handling of this entire mess.

I certainly understand why anyone would hesitate to tackle this right now, because honestly, it is incredibly difficult to make any headway when you consider the absolute madhouse we find ourselves living in today. We are stuck in this chaotic chicken coop of a country where the current President seems more interested in dismantling our democratic foundations than actually governing, harboring these blatant aspirations to scrap democracy entirely and install a full-blown dictatorship. It is an exhausting situation, really, and I fear that if things continue on this trajectory, she will succeed in plunging the entire nation into total, unmitigated chaos.

Even if I can wrap my head around what they’re saying, it honestly doesn't change the fact that I am deeply unsettled by their lack of transparency; it truly worries me how little we actually know about where things are going, who is pulling the strings, or even when certain decisions will be made—we are essentially flying blind here.

Back in the nineties, we actually had a functional framework through the ONO and DSZ systems, which made organizing our defense efforts significantly more streamlined than what you see today. It wasn't some chaotic scramble; there was a clear, established structure in place. People actually knew exactly where to go and who to report to when things got heavy. It’s a far cry from the disorganized mess of modern bureaucracy, I tell you.

That era is gone for good, and frankly, I don't think we'll ever see its like again.

That particular point is what truly keeps me up at night, honestly; the nagging suspicion that beyond our active-duty military personnel and the police force, the rest of us are essentially just defenseless bystanders. It’s a sobering thought, isn't it? I was reading this article about civil defense preparedness the other day—I think it was in the Wall Street Journal—and it hit me how thin the line really is between being a prepared citizenry and being completely vulnerable. I mean, if things ever truly went south, we're relying entirely on those few brave souls in uniform, while the rest of the country sits there, effectively toothless. It’s a heavy realization to swallow, feeling like the backbone of our national security is far more fragile than any of us care to admit.

David Baker2 said:Honestly, I’d bet my life that both Viktor Orbán and Aleksandar Vučić are probably kneeling at an altar twice a day praying for exactly that scenario.

This whole little charade they're running—which, if you ask me, is being shortsightedly or perhaps quite maliciously enabled by President Kolinda and the Republican Party—is being orchestrated toward that very outcome.
It's a game of chicken to see who pulls the trigger first.

Sadly, that is the grim reality of how this all boils down.

Well, I don't doubt that for a single second.
And as for that particular figure, we don't even actually know what Karamel's real name is, do we?

There isn't a shred of concrete evidence to suggest she ever attended school in San Francisco, or that she even studied in Washington, D.C., for that matter.

In fact, I've stumbled upon quite a few bizarre details regarding Karamel that I simply won't be sharing here on this forum.

Charles Ross3 said:Honestly, I feel like it’s still way too early on in the process to start passing judgment on whether this thing actually works, let alone how it operates under pressure. Can we really say anything meaningful about its ultimate impact or what kind of long-term benefits it might bring to the table just yet? It feels a bit premature to draw any definitive conclusions when we haven't even seen it fully tested in the real world.

Are you seriously suggesting that people from our neighboring states would be willing to scrub the underside of a car for just a hundred bucks? Is that really what you're trying to get at?
Where else can you find such an incredible abundance of options? Honestly, what happened to make this region suddenly become the ultimate promised land for anyone looking to score a date?

It’s honestly pretty funny how some people seem to think we Americans should just be walking around with a permanent sense of gratitude toward everyone else for doing us favors. You hear these arguments suggesting we owe a debt of thanks to the Canadians for putting up that border fence and supposedly "saving" Western civilization, and then, wouldn't you know it, suddenly we're expected to be thankful to our neighbors in places like Missouri or maybe even Texas for being so incredibly generous as to offer us the chance to clean up all the messes they don't want to touch themselves! Isn't it just wild how that logic works? 🤣 It seems like right this second, we have a sudden influx of self-righteous critics attacking every single move American businesses make regarding the refugee crisis. They’re all just standing there, practically weeping with emotion over how incredibly generous everyone around us is being... as if they're the only ones who are morally upright and perfectly informed, while the rest of us are somehow inherently flawed or misguided. Isn't it funny how that works?

That is a complete misinterpretation of my point, and frankly, putting words in my mouth that I never even thought of, let alone wrote.
I never said I was thankful to the Canadians for their fence; I said I envy them because they actually have a government that looks out for—get this—the interests of the Canadian people. Imagine that!
As for the neighbors, they’re offering a hundred dollars a day to clean up after immigrants. Do you really think the situation is so filthy that even that isn't enough? 👎

wiredbadger62 said:Well, I don't doubt that for a single second.
And as for that particular figure, we don't even actually know what Karamel's real name is, do we?

There isn't a shred of concrete evidence to suggest she ever attended school in San Francisco, or that she even studied in Washington, D.C., for that matter.

In fact, I've stumbled upon quite a few bizarre details regarding Karamel that I simply won't be sharing here on this forum.

I heard she was actually the daughter of Marshall and Jovanka.
Turns out she was born a boy but had surgery later.

I hate using this symbol, but you honestly earned it: 🤦