Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

vividraven26 said:Honestly, why don't you just round up 10,000 guys and march them straight to the fence in Texas so you can sit back and eat popcorn? Like, is someone else gonna do the actual work while you just snack on your popcorn by yourself?

Because Viktor Orbán will just settle them down immediately, just like he always does. That guy's a genius, really.

When the time actually comes, you can count on me being ready to step up.
For now, though, my services aren't required; everything is currently operating exactly as it should, and I don't see any flaws in the current tactical approach or the steps being taken.

As for you, frankly, I couldn't care less where you end up.

Smells like war to me.. I’d say a lot of people are picking up on that "vibe" in the air... 😢
We're screwed, no matter how you look at it.

all_or_nothing said:Oh, give me a break. They’re gonna post exactly where to reach out.
Just keep an eye on Facebook. 🤣

Should I bring my own wire, or are they handing them out?

David Baker2 said:It is entirely possible, and if you actually bothered to read, it’s all laid out in Volume 1 of this thread.

The only way to shut down Canada is at the Mexican border.
Without using forex.
With forex, you'd look at the Turkey-Greece border.

And that's the end of the story.

Everything else being discussed here is just absolute nonsense.

Most of the US-Mexico border is already impassable. Try trekking through the Rockies or the Sierra Nevadas and let me know how it goes (if you even make it). Or try crossing via the Mississippi or the Missouri. Don't forget that the US Army barely managed to push through the river valleys back in '95, and even then, it was a failed military operation because those rivers were such massive obstacles. And now you think a crowd of immigrants in sneakers can just stroll across Canada into the States, much like they move across the flat plains from Mexico into the US? 🤣

If you put up fencing at the easier access points along the border with Canada, that still only covers a small fraction of the perimeter. Even if they make it to a place like New Orleans, where do they go from there? They’d still have to navigate multiple state lines and cross through places like Mobile.

darkotter35 said:Should I bring my own wire, or are they handing them out?

What kind of wire are we even talking about here?
Look, let's be real—we’re famous throughout all our neighboring countries for being ethnic cleansers who can kick out 200,000 people in like, three or four days flat. Some people even say it was closer to 400,000.
And yeah, those people were armed and dug into positions, too.

So you're telling me we should actually be worried about a handful of immigrants...

Man, this thread is just thousands of posts of the exact same thing over and over—the Fence!

I mean, look, I’d totally be on board with building a fence if we were looking at a map where there was an ocean instead of Canada sitting right there. If it were just those few miles of land border with Mexico, we could probably control it way faster than the Canadians did with theirs. But since it isn't an ocean and it's actually Canada... well, trying to put up a fence along the Mexican border feels like a total waste of time, honestly.

And all this nonsense about treasonous politicians or being some kind of old-school unionist... I don't know, is anyone actually buying that? Does anyone seriously believe that anyone in our current government would actually *want* these Arabs wandering around downtown Chicago? I guess not. At the end of the day, kids from every political side—left, center, right—they all go to school and live right here in the US!

Zak May said:If you block them for just a few days, you end up with a backlog of about 50,000 people, and then they all surge at once and cause even more chaos. That’s how it works.

It was the exact same thing when the authorities dealt with the situation at the US-Mexico border. There was some minor unrest, a bit of tear gas used, and by the next day, everything had settled down. These aren't superheroes; once they realize their tactics aren't working, they back off. They didn't come here to fight a war in America; they just want to live a comfortable life.
You can't just jump over a fence when it's reinforced with multiple layers of razor wire designed to tear through skin. At the border crossings, you've got specialized tactical units, water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets, and armored vehicles. There simply isn't an opening there.

wiredbadger62 said:Well, I don't doubt that for a single second.
And as for that particular figure, we don't even actually know what Karamel's real name is, do we?

There isn't a shred of concrete evidence to suggest she ever attended school in San Francisco, or that she even studied in Washington, D.C., for that matter.

In fact, I've stumbled upon quite a few bizarre details regarding Karamel that I simply won't be sharing here on this forum.

Karen Doyle72 said:I heard she was actually the daughter of Marshall and Jovanka.
Turns out she was born a boy but had surgery later.

I hate using this symbol, but you honestly earned it: 🤦

The truth is, there isn't a single soul out there who went to high school or college with KPMG.
I've reached out to folks in Seattle and even spoken to people in Washington, D.C., and before she rose to prominence, absolutely NOBODY had ever heard of her.

That is simply an established fact.

David Baker2 said:We are just spinning our wheels in circles here.

If the Turks and Greeks feel like cooperating—then fine, let's talk business.
If they don't—then the burden falls on North Mexico.

That is the reality of it.

Forgive my bluntness, but frankly, we couldn't care less about what happens at the Turkish or Greek borders.
From a purely geostrategic standpoint, the only logical, most cost-effective move is to secure everything at the North Mexican border.
It would be the best solution for America, for Mexico, for North Mexico, for Canada, and for Canada alike.

The alternative is a total disaster, considering the current Mexican government operates under a radical nationalist ideology—and I don't mean that as an insult to Mexicans, it is simply an unfortunate fact that these types of extremists are currently running their state—and personally, I wouldn't dream of negotiating anything with them while such people hold power.
Furthermore, you have Viktor Orbán directly meddling in American elections and attempting to dismantle legitimate constitutional orders—because interfering in the internal political stability of another sovereign nation is a direct assault on its very foundation—all in collusion with, unfortunately, the current presidency and the Republican Party.
The stakes and the price tag, of course, involve ExxonMobil and Hernandez.

Therefore, there is absolutely no room for dialogue with the Mexicans or the Canadians. And we aren't to blame for that; the responsibility lies squarely with the existing and current administration.
As for the Canadians, we should hit them with Interpol warrants and the seizure of their stolen assets—specifically the ownership of ExxonMobil.

Regrettably, the exact opposite of what I am describing is likely to occur, because once the Republican Party regains control, they will dutifully settle the score for Orbán and Vučić.
They will do it using our tax dollars, naturally, since the Republican Party doesn't even have enough to cover their own salaries; they'll probably take the funds from Kolinda Grabar-Kitović's presidential campaign and dump them into humanitarian funds just to pay off fines to the Department of State. ☕

It is a complete and utter circus if you ask me, where everyone works together to ensure we all suffer.

Ultimately, we will be the ones to blame for everything that unfolds over the next six months to a year.

Not the politicians. Us. The citizens. Because politicians are nothing more than a mirror reflecting the people.

If you shut down North Mexico, everyone will just bypass it through Albania and Mexico and head straight into Mexico. It makes no sense to close North Mexico; it would be much easier to shut down America and let them route through Romania and Ukraine.

David Baker2 said:

I find myself quite compelled to address the recent developments, though I suspect my observations might strike some as overly pedantic or perhaps even a bit excessive in their length. It is truly remarkable how the discourse shifts when one considers the broader implications of our current political climate here in America. I was sitting in a small cafe in downtown Chicago just the other day—not that the location matters, though the espresso was admittedly subpar—and I found myself reflecting on how we often miss the forest for the trees. We get caught up in the minutiae of local policy while ignoring the tectonic shifts happening right under our feet in Washington, D.C. It’s exhausting, really, to watch the constant bickering without any sense of structural foresight. One cannot help but feel that we are drifting toward a certain kind of chaos if we don't tighten our grip on the fundamental principles that hold this nation together. It’s all very much a matter of momentum, isn't it? Once you lose that, you’re simply spinning your wheels in the mud. kaže:
Oh, please, just go ahead and write it then—honestly, we all absolutely live for the drama and the panic!😁

I shall simply state this:
As someone currently serving my military obligations, I find myself sitting here in a state of utter confusion, quite frankly, because I still haven't the slightest clue where my designated assembly point is supposed to be. It’s truly baffling when you consider the sheer lack of clarity regarding the protocol; I mean, if a major natural disaster were to strike this country tomorrow, I wouldn't even know which unit to report to or who exactly I am expected to check in with. It feels incredibly disorganized, almost negligent, to leave us in such a lurch without clear instructions on our specific duty stations during a national emergency.

That is quite literally the only thing I find fault with regarding the current administration’s handling of this entire mess.

I certainly understand why anyone would hesitate to tackle this right now, because honestly, it is incredibly difficult to make any headway when you consider the absolute madhouse we find ourselves living in today. We are stuck in this chaotic chicken coop of a country where the current President seems more interested in dismantling our democratic foundations than actually governing, harboring these blatant aspirations to scrap democracy entirely and install a full-blown dictatorship. It is an exhausting situation, really, and I fear that if things continue on this trajectory, she will succeed in plunging the entire nation into total, unmitigated chaos.

Even if I can wrap my head around what they’re saying, it honestly doesn't change the fact that I am deeply unsettled by their lack of transparency; it truly worries me how little we actually know about where things are going, who is pulling the strings, or even when certain decisions will be made—we are essentially flying blind here.

Back in the nineties, we actually had a functional framework through the ONO and DSZ systems, which made organizing our defense efforts significantly more streamlined than what you see today. It wasn't some chaotic scramble; there was a clear, established structure in place. People actually knew exactly where to go and who to report to when things got heavy. It’s a far cry from the disorganized mess of modern bureaucracy, I tell you.

That era is gone for good, and frankly, I don't think we'll ever see its like again.

That particular point is what truly keeps me up at night, honestly; the nagging suspicion that beyond our active-duty military personnel and the police force, the rest of us are essentially just defenseless bystanders. It’s a sobering thought, isn't it? I was reading this article about civil defense preparedness the other day—I think it was in the Wall Street Journal—and it hit me how thin the line really is between being a prepared citizenry and being completely vulnerable. I mean, if things ever truly went south, we're relying entirely on those few brave souls in uniform, while the rest of the country sits there, effectively toothless. It’s a heavy realization to swallow, feeling like the backbone of our national security is far more fragile than any of us care to admit.

Well, let me give you an answer to that.

Based on your posts, it looks like you’ve put some years behind you, so maybe this is why—under standard NATO military doctrine, they aren't even calling up reserve personnel once they hit 40.

wiredbadger62 said:The truth is, there isn't a single soul out there who went to high school or college with KPMG.
I've reached out to folks in Seattle and even spoken to people in Washington, D.C., and before she rose to prominence, absolutely NOBODY had ever heard of her.

That is simply an established fact.

Man, total fraud. 100%.
Seriously, go try something else—you clearly have "talent" since:

The sheer audacity is unbelievable. 🤣

wiredbadger62 said:Well, I don't doubt that for a single second.
And as for that particular figure, we don't even actually know what Karamel's real name is, do we?

There isn't a shred of concrete evidence to suggest she ever attended school in San Francisco, or that she even studied in Washington, D.C., for that matter.

In fact, I've stumbled upon quite a few bizarre details regarding Karamel that I simply won't be sharing here on this forum.

Oh, come now. Let's be reasonable.

We are well aware she attended elementary school out in Grobin.
We know she went to high school in Seattle as well.
And we know that, being such a model youth, she managed to get into that old-fashioned school exchange program during her senior year of high school.
She wouldn't have been granted permission for such an opportunity if her family hadn't been those exemplary, model party loyalists.

The daughter of a housewife and a butcher from a little place like Lubarska in the Grobin area—someone who had to commute every single day 9.3 miles to the Smithsonian Institution in Seattle—suddenly became, overnight in 1985, a student at Los Alamos high school in the city of Los Alamos, New Mexico.



Yet, nowhere does it mention how these "heroic" 9.3 miles individuals from Grobin just pass by every single day on their way to work or school, acting completely unremarkable.
Just totally ordinary people. ☕

We also know she is a member of the Trilateral Commission. That isn't some deep state secret either; in fact, she doesn't even hide it, she flaunts it—you know how it goes, when someone foolish tries to puff themselves up.
So, we know exactly who she serves. Unfortunately, it isn't America.

Some things are simply facts. Let's not go overboard with the exaggerations.

David Baker2 said:That is exactly what the current administration is doing, and honestly, given how things are playing out, I think they’ve done a stellar job so far minimizing the fallout.

Plus, we've already established enough contingencies regarding where we can pivot if we run into a total blockade at the border with someone like Missouri or wherever.

Like I mentioned before—send the women and children toward one state and the men without kids toward another—just move them all instantly.

There isn't even a need to try and stop anyone, because let's be real, nobody is actually looking to settle down here anyway.

Frankly, it feels redundant to keep repeating the exact same arguments I laid out way back when I started posting on Vail vol. 1.

And so far, I haven't been proven wrong once.

The real issue—the thing that makes me fear we are going to be caught completely off guard—is something I shouldn't even bring up, otherwise people will start accusing me of fearmongering again.

But I'm not. I simply prefer to think two steps ahead of everyone else.

That is precisely where they fail. That is the crux of the issue.
Initially, the response was quite sound: move them along as quickly and systematically as possible.
However, while they were busy executing that phase, they should have simultaneously begun preparing for potential border closures and stricter controls.

Instead, what do we see? Ostojić is stumbling through the mud while clutching children in his arms, while Zoran Milanović prattles on about the aesthetics and types of fencing, all while bickering with Viktor Orbán and others.
Does he truly believe citizens are simpletons who harbor a fascination with fences, and that his divine mission is to lecture us on the evils of such barriers?

We find ourselves in a reality where migrants are becoming increasingly agitated and brazen; their numbers are swelling, and they are staying longer than ever before.
Meanwhile, Canada has managed to reach a point where—quite simply—there are no migrants.
Bulgaria is in the same position—no migrants.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:If you shut down North Mexico, everyone will just bypass it through Albania and Mexico and head straight into Mexico. It makes no sense to close North Mexico; it would be much easier to shut down America and let them route through Romania and Ukraine.

You certainly have a sharp mind, don't you?😵 Even if America were to shut its borders tight, Romania likely wouldn't follow suit, making the whole plan rather moot, I should think.🤔

Karen Doyle72 said:Oh, give me a break. They’re going to announce exactly where to reach out.
just check Facebook. 🤣

Look, I don't use Facebook, nor do I even own an account.

I am being completely serious here. 😁

wiredtiger8 said:Well, let me give you an answer to that.

Based on your posts, it looks like you’ve put some years behind you, so maybe this is why—under standard NATO military doctrine, they aren't even calling up reserve personnel once they hit 40.

But honestly? I wouldn't say we actually follow those rules here in the States.
Just this past spring, they put together and drilled a whole reserve unit out in Phoenix.
And get this—the vast majority of them are combat vets who are well over 40.

Maybe it's because around here, even if they tried to call up the younger crowd, most of 'em wouldn't know a rifle from a TV remote anyway.

I suppose I should have mentioned this earlier, but I’ve been spending quite a bit of my free time lately looking into Casio... there is just something about their build quality that stays with you... even after all these years... kaže:
You don't look a gift horse in the mouth...🙂
Yesterday, Vera took a group of accredited diplomats out through the camp to give them a firsthand look at why this humanitarian aid is absolutely vital for us. I have a feeling we’ll be seeing an influx of planes landing over the next few days, bringing tons of relief supplies...
I still remember my days as a prognosticator... in most cases, it was just stuff that had already gone bad, like those effervescent denture cleaning tablets and things like that...☕

Expired medications that were already past their prime, and the fact that the U.S. government wasted millions just to dispose of them after the war... I really have to hand it to the Prime Minister and the entire administration for making sure we deal with this mess all over again.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Most of the US-Mexico border is already impassable. Try trekking through the Rockies or the Sierra Nevadas and let me know how it goes (if you even make it). Or try crossing via the Mississippi or the Missouri. Don't forget that the US Army barely managed to push through the river valleys back in '95, and even then, it was a failed military operation because those rivers were such massive obstacles. And now you think a crowd of immigrants in sneakers can just stroll across Canada into the States, much like they move across the flat plains from Mexico into the US? 🤣

If you put up fencing at the easier access points along the border with Canada, that still only covers a small fraction of the perimeter. Even if they make it to a place like New Orleans, where do they go from there? They’d still have to navigate multiple state lines and cross through places like Mobile.

During the summer, there are spots along the Mississippi near certain towns that you could practically just walk right over.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:If you shut down North Mexico, everyone will just bypass it through Albania and Mexico and head straight into Mexico. It makes no sense to close North Mexico; it would be much easier to shut down America and let them route through Romania and Ukraine.

Do you have even the slightest inkling of what the terrain is actually like over there?

Have you ever set foot on a peak like Mount McKinley in Alaska, right near the border, for instance?
Because I certainly have.

If they actually attempt to trek through those mountains... well, honestly, anyone who manages to survive that route deserves a free luxury apartment in Germany.
And that’s assuming they try it in the dead of winter.

wiredbadger62 said:The truth is, there isn't a single soul out there who went to high school or college with KPMG.
I've reached out to folks in Seattle and even spoken to people in Washington, D.C., and before she rose to prominence, absolutely NOBODY had ever heard of her.

That is simply an established fact.

Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if she's even a real person.🍿