Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Robert Moore10 said:How on earth can parents force their kids into a freezing river in the dead of night, and then just trudge along with them while they're soaking wet and shivering?
There isn't even a war in America; it's just the fifth country on a path that doesn't involve combat. Here, they can apply for asylum, get housing, food... everything...

Those kids could actually die from pneumonia. I just don't get those parents at all... really, I don't...
Where are the neighbors, the grandmas, the community leaders to speak up and condemn this kind of child abuse?
This isn't fleeing a war zone, it's an invasion, and the EU—totally intoxicated by this fake sense of humanism—just didn't see this coming...

If you have 8,000 people arriving daily, that’s roughly 3 million people passing through America in a single year.
Every single one of them needs processing, clothing, and feeding.

We have a nation of barely 4 million people here.
How much longer are we going to sit around playing the helpless shepherd, doing nothing until Mama Merkel gives us orders? If she wants people that badly, she should just buy them directly from Turkey using high-speed trains and ships.

Someone from the ranching community really needs to tell her that to her face.

Robert Moore10 said:How on earth can parents force their kids into a freezing river in the dead of night, and then just trudge along with them while they're soaking wet and shivering?
There isn't even a war in America; it's just the fifth country on a path that doesn't involve combat. Here, they can apply for asylum, get housing, food... everything...

Those kids could actually die from pneumonia. I just don't get those parents at all... really, I don't...
Where are the neighbors, the grandmas, the community leaders to speak up and condemn this kind of child abuse?
This isn't fleeing a war zone, it's an invasion, and the EU—totally intoxicated by this fake sense of humanism—just didn't see this coming...

It’s honestly shocking and makes zero sense to me too. Forcing a kid to swim across a river...
And yeah, it's pretty telling how these new organizations immediately start screaming about discrimination whenever some local "wannabe" celebrity gets kicked out of an apartment—blah blah blah—but they stay silent about the status of women in those countries. They say nothing about how women and children make up a smaller portion of the group and how much they're being exploited...

Maria James40 said:This is just a theory, but look at how the Slovenacs gather groups of about 1,000 people near the 62 miles border... and here we are trying to control the entire border with Canada 😁
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Then we'd be sitting there reading headlines like this:

- 2,000 arrive in Charleston—tourism is ruined—where do we put them?
- A larger group arrived in Metković via the Neretva valley.
- 3,000 people caught in the Imotski fields; need 60 buses since there's no rail access.
- They broke through the fence at Strmica.
- 2,000 arrived in Donji Lapac last night.
- 5,000 arriving from Velika Kladuša.
- Traffic blocked on the bridges over the Sava—local business owners are protesting.

Man, the only people who could possibly wish for this scenario are Canadian Taxists and bus drivers.

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The guy above me made a pretty good point—for the most part, the border with Canada is totally impassable. Do you honestly think migrants are going to climb 6,000 feet up the rugged terrain of the Appalachians in the wind and snow? Or are they going to swim across the Mississippi or the Una when half of them can barely stay afloat?
If you think this is some kind of piece of cake, go ahead and ask our soldiers how they fared trekking through the mountains during the winter of '94 during Operation Storm.

Bottom line: the border with Canada is a much smaller issue than everyone here is making it out to be. It seems like the easiest excuse for why we can't just put up a fence is "oh, but they'll just come through Canada." Well, newsflash: let's build the damn fence first, then we can figure out if they try to cross through the mountains and rivers in Canada or not.

gentlemoose57 As I have previously observed:

If they find themselves with nowhere left to stand on this soil, they will simply forge ahead. They will trample over every obstacle, swim across the Mississippi, cross the Danube, trek through the heart of the Appalachians, and conquer both the Rockies and the highest peaks in between. Is there truly any boundary that can hold them back?

This situation demands a much more vigorous and comprehensive denial than what we have seen thus far. Is it not enough to simply ignore such baseless assertions? One would think that a formal, decisive rebuttal would be the only logical course of action to prevent further misinformation from taking root.
The rugged peaks of the Appalachian Mountains will be of little consequence to them if they intend to proceed in such a manner. They lack the constitution for mountain trekking, and they certainly possess no skill for swimming. How can one expect to hold back a force that lacks even the most basic survival instincts?
Should they fail to secure transportation through one of the various states they transit—assuming, of course, that no such jurisdiction has already seen fit to provide it—they simply rent a vehicle and proceed directly to the border. Is it not a remarkably straightforward, if somewhat wearying, solution to their predicament?

Alexander Ortiz3 said:There’s an old Chinese proverb that goes: he who thinks something cannot be done should not interfere with the one who is actually doing it. 😉

Precisely.
And let’s not forget what Mao Zedong famously remarked—that everything in life is total garbage, except for taking a leak. Though, if you ask me, even pissing into a gale is complete garbage. 😁

That is the crux of the matter right there. Pissing into a gale.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:But if we actually have an opening, things are going to escalate in Mexico, because they won't be able to touch us.
It’s much easier to rob a shop in Mexico while you're already there, rather than trying to pull a razor wire stunt, deal with the police right behind it, and then somehow make it over to some shop in America to rob.
If you really think taking on a SWAT team is that easy, just give it a shot.😁

Look, you clearly don't grasp what a single mile actually feels like out in the wild. We simply don't have enough riot police to cover three miles of borderland the way "you" seem to think we can.

signum Asks:

All this nonsense about traitorous governments and old nationalist grievances—it’s honestly just mindless noise. Does anyone actually believe that anyone in our current administration would want these Arabs wandering around Washington, D.C.? At the end of the day, kids from all sides—left, center, and right—all go to the same schools and live in the same America.

I caught some people on TV suggesting that migrants from places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria should be resettled in rural areas—think the Appalachians, certain islands off the coast, or even out in the Midwest.😁

I caught a radio segment the other day where one of those left-leaning analysts was completely out of line—just totally off base. 🤔 He claimed that the future of America lies in places like Opatovac—though, honestly, I think he’s looking at it all wrong. 😁

David Baker2 said:As things stand, they’re trying to push everything through Canada.

Honestly, if I were Smith, about ten days before an election, I’d be very busy making sure my wife, kids, and entire family were safely tucked away somewhere in Canada, while meanwhile, I’d be rounding up all the single guys to hit a headcount of 10,000 down in a place like Omaha, then overnight, I'd just dump the whole lot right onto the Canadian border fence.

Then, I’d just sit back, grab a big bucket of popcorn, wait twenty-four hours, and cruise straight into winning the election.

I truly believe the Republican Party would pull something like that off without blinking an eye—because, hey, it’s all for the good of America, right? ☕

Just imagine if 10,000 fans gathered in Washington, D.C. for a massive rivalry game, ready for anything. Or what if 10,000 protesters stormed a Pride parade in San Diego?
It's over for us; one side or the other will seize control of the state, and the police won't be able to handle it. It's the end, resistance is futile... 🐔

There are specific regions where the US really needs to reinforce its border security to ensure the system actually works as intended.map

Gregory Hall66 said:Forget the campaign rhetoric; I was actually among the first to applaud the administration for their approach to the migrant crisis. It seemed quite clever and efficient at first glance—just pack them onto a bus and ship them out.

But nothing followed that initial action.
Standing in the rain for six hours is one thing, but when the snow starts falling soon, those waits will feel much longer than the twelve-hour stretches we endured just a month ago.
And the reality remains that we have no way to control who enters our borders. So, while people are being harmed or beaten elsewhere, what exactly are we doing here?

Regarding the bolded part—I agree. This whole mess transcends any single political campaign or anyone's partisan preferences.

I have to disagree with you there.
We absolutely have control over our borders.

What we can't control is what happens on the Mexican side and where they decide to dump these refugees for us to deal with.

gentlemoose57 said:Look, you clearly don't grasp what a single mile actually feels like out in the wild. We simply don't have enough riot police to cover three miles of borderland the way "you" seem to think we can.

You seem to think immigrants possess Star Trek teleportation technology.

A moderate application of force would stop all of them in five minutes flat, but nothing but fake humanity prevents that force from being used.
It's the exact same level of force they would apply to any group of Americans trying to cross the border in the same manner.

The only difference now is that we're dealing with Pakistanis and Afghans instead of fellow Americans.

David Baker2 said:Regarding the bolded part—I agree. This whole mess transcends any single political campaign or anyone's partisan preferences.

I have to disagree with you there.
We absolutely have control over our borders.

What we can't control is what happens on the Mexican side and where they decide to dump these refugees for us to deal with.

So how exactly do we have control over entry then? 🤔
We have control over driving through America. That's about it.

Gregory Hall66 said:

gentlemoose57 As I have previously observed:

If they find themselves with nowhere left to stand on this soil, they will simply forge ahead. They will trample over every obstacle, swim across the Mississippi, cross the Danube, trek through the heart of the Appalachians, and conquer both the Rockies and the highest peaks in between. Is there truly any boundary that can hold them back?

This situation demands a much more vigorous and comprehensive denial than what we have seen thus far. Is it not enough to simply ignore such baseless assertions? One would think that a formal, decisive rebuttal would be the only logical course of action to prevent further misinformation from taking root.
The rugged peaks of the Appalachian Mountains will be of little consequence to them if they intend to proceed in such a manner. They lack the constitution for mountain trekking, and they certainly possess no skill for swimming. How can one expect to hold back a force that lacks even the most basic survival instincts?
Should they fail to secure transportation through one of the various states they transit—assuming, of course, that no such jurisdiction has already seen fit to provide it—they simply rent a vehicle and proceed directly to the border. Is it not a remarkably straightforward, if somewhat wearying, solution to their predicament?

That’s exactly why I said they’ll cross it. If they can't find a way over, they’ll just swim those damn 50 meters of river if they have to.

David Baker2 said:That is exactly what the current administration is doing, and honestly, given how things are playing out, I think they’ve done a stellar job so far minimizing the fallout.

Plus, we've already established enough contingencies regarding where we can pivot if we run into a total blockade at the border with someone like Missouri or wherever.

Like I mentioned before—send the women and children toward one state and the men without kids toward another—just move them all instantly.

There isn't even a need to try and stop anyone, because let's be real, nobody is actually looking to settle down here anyway.

Frankly, it feels redundant to keep repeating the exact same arguments I laid out way back when I started posting on Vail vol. 1.

And so far, I haven't been proven wrong once.

The real issue—the thing that makes me fear we are going to be caught completely off guard—is something I shouldn't even bring up, otherwise people will start accusing me of fearmongering again.

But I'm not. I simply prefer to think two steps ahead of everyone else.

but their kids serve as the breakthrough when things stall.

one step ahead — visionary
two steps ahead — not quite right

vividraven26 said:Man, I hauled my ass all the way down to the local polling station in a massive pickup truck and just sat there through the whole damn thing until the election was finally wrapped up.

braggart I can't even begin to process what was said there... seriously, where do we even start with this kind of nonsense? It’s like someone just decided to throw a bunch of half-baked ideas at the wall to see what sticks, right? Honestly, I feel like I'm losing my mind just trying to make sense of the logic—or lack thereof—being tossed around here. Does anyone actually believe this stuff? Is there even a shred of common sense left in the room? It’s just one thing after another with people thinking they can just say whatever pops into their heads without any regard for how ridiculous it sounds to everyone else. I mean, really, are we supposed to just sit here and nod along while the whole argument falls apart in real-time? It's exhausting, truly.
You know, there’s that old bit of wisdom people always toss around—you know the one—that it’s way better to overstate how tough your opponent is than to go underestimating them. Seriously, why do people even bother being cocky? It’s like they’re just begging for a reality check. If you think you've got things totally in the bag and then get blindsided because you didn't respect the competition, what does that actually say about you? Better to play it safe and assume they're coming for your neck, right?

Honestly, there’s an even better way to do it—just blast the damn thing with a high-pressure hose from a tanker truck instead of wasting time with one of those little hand sprayers. Why bother with the small stuff when you could just go big?

If we're sticking to the official story, if Assad couldn't crush them with tanks and Bush couldn't do it with B-52s, what do you think tear gas is going to accomplish? Look at what happened in Kyiv. There are specific methods used against protesters, and don't forget how quickly they brought out the "tools" at the border.

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And what happens when Germany decides to shut down the borders entirely?!

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Canada seems to have a plan ready for that exact scenario—but are we prepared?

What’s the outlook for America if Germany turns off the tap?! We’ll likely see a forced redistribution of migrants across the countries along the North American route. They're already setting up a processing center near St. Louis. Foreign ambassadors have already been out there surveying the situation
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America received praise for its cooperation—but now, it looks like we'll be receiving the migrants too.

Brenda Taylor13 said:🤦

The guy above me made a pretty good point—for the most part, the border with Canada is totally impassable. Do you honestly think migrants are going to climb 6,000 feet up the rugged terrain of the Appalachians in the wind and snow? Or are they going to swim across the Mississippi or the Una when half of them can barely stay afloat?
If you think this is some kind of piece of cake, go ahead and ask our soldiers how they fared trekking through the mountains during the winter of '94 during Operation Storm.

Bottom line: the border with Canada is a much smaller issue than everyone here is making it out to be. It seems like the easiest excuse for why we can't just put up a fence is "oh, but they'll just come through Canada." Well, newsflash: let's build the damn fence first, then we can figure out if they try to cross through the mountains and rivers in Canada or not.

Have you ever even set foot in the Rockies? Do you have any idea how high the highest peak actually is? And do you realize a mountain isn't just a single summit? Honestly, I've seen tourists wandering through the Rocky Mountains in flip-flops!

They don't even need to know how to swim; someone will just ferry them across.

Karen Doyle72 said:So how exactly do we have control over entry then? 🤔
We have control over driving through America. That's about it.

They aren't cutting through Kentucky, and they certainly aren't coming in via Miami.
They are funneling exclusively through one tiny corridor that accounts for less than 10% of our total open border facing them.

And at the end of the day, everyone who makes it across just heads straight toward a single checkpoint in a place like San Diego, and that's the whole story.

There isn't any wandering all over the country.

If you ask me, it’s incredibly efficient and remarkably well-managed.

It's honestly the best possible outcome given the various combinations of routes that remain accessible.

gentlemoose57 said:Oh, please! Go ahead and try explaining to the Italians or the Greeks that fifty yards of sweet water is "impassable"—maybe then they’ll stop trying to manage things over in Lampedusa and Lesvos. 🤦

Look, if they don't have any land routes left, they'll find a way. They'll trudge, they'll swim, they'll swim across the Mississippi and the Una and even the Danube; they'll climb right over the Appalachian Mountains and the Sierra Nevada if they have to.

The fence in Canada only works because we haven't built one yet. A little wire mesh and two rows of barbed wire is absolutely nothing—it's child's play. It's something they can easily bypass right now by coming through the American side. That's why they aren't bothering with it.

Man, you are talking absolute, straight-up, TOTAL nonsense. After they put that fence up at the Canadian border, 22 immigrants crossed it illegally. Twenty-two!

So, newsflash: the fence WORKS.

Sophia Ramos5 said:but their kids serve as the breakthrough when things stall.

one step ahead — visionary
two steps ahead — not quite right

Precisely my point.
Kids shouldn't have to pay the price for anyone's mistakes.
And honestly, we should probably just make things easier for the Americans. ☕