Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Russian attempt at explaining the migrant crisis ☕

wiredbadger62 said:I’m honestly not so sure about that perspective.
The thing is, from Canada, the migrants can really only head toward America.
In this specific scenario, it might actually be better for the Mexicans to try and concentrate everything within as small an area as possible, like right at the border.
That way, the migrants act more like a "force of nature," giving them much more momentum and, well, a much higher chance of actually breaking through.

True, but the border with Canada is massive. If the corridor through there isn't managed perfectly, those migrants will be popping up everywhere. There's no way we could contain them all.

wiredbadger62 said:There was a meeting recently involving representatives from Bugur, Romania, and Mexico.
They went on to claim that if Germany or Austria were to shut down their borders, they would follow suit immediately.
However, I found it quite curious that there wasn't any mention of Canada in their discussions.

In my humble opinion, this serves as a clear sign that even if Canada decides to close its borders, the Mexicans will likely continue sending migrants our way, simply because Germany and Austria haven't closed theirs yet.😁

If the Canadians shut the border, refugees will just start flooding uncontrollably through all of Canada and Canada. Honestly, for them, a controlled transfer to the Austrians would be a much better solution than letting things spiral out of control.
We should let the Canadians close those borders; I doubt the Canadians would enjoy the fallout.
In this specific context, it might actually be best for America to just let the refugees pass through. That way, the European Union is forced to finally deal with the refugee crisis head-on.

Ashley Robinson58 said:True, but the border with Canada is massive. If the corridor through there isn't managed perfectly, those migrants will be popping up everywhere. There's no way we could contain them all.

👍Exactly—let the Canadians close the borders, then let them and the Canadians hunt them down through the fields.

Ashley Robinson58 said:True, but the border with Canada is massive. If the corridor through there isn't managed perfectly, those migrants will be popping up everywhere. There's no way we could contain them all.

The thing is, during the winter months, migrants might only find a few specific, isolated spots where they could potentially cross into the US from Canada.
I suppose I could take a bit of a gamble here, though I can't say I'd feel particularly guilty if they ended up freezing out there in the mountains.

malidecko said:Just like I predicted a few days back—it's game over. This failed policy is officially surrendering.

It’s all laid out clearly right there on CNN—let me just give you the quote: Every nation needs to expand its capacity to accommodate refugees by providing shelter, food, water, and medical care, or alternatively, trigger the European Union's civil protection mechanism...

The rest is just granular detail regarding specific quotas for who takes in whom.

1. My personal take? By this summer, we'll have about 50,000 migrants settling here permanently.

I'll check back in this summer so you all can tell me how wrong I was.

Until then, I wish everyone the best; I've actually started studying Arabic and learning about Islamic culture and customs because, frankly, one ought to get to know their new neighbors.

If we end up with 20,000 to 30,000 people at some point, that’s actually a great outcome—certainly much better than what certain people would prefer, which would be a staggering 200,000 to 300,000.

As long as we keep the number of people just passing through our territory under 20,000—and we are currently holding steady below 10,000, which is an exceptionally high-quality way to handle the situation since not a single refugee stays in the US longer than 24 hours—then we have everything under control.

Our comparative advantage in this entire ordeal is simply that we are poorer than these refugees passing through, so none of them ever think it's a bright idea to stay in America for more than a day.

After twenty years of being fleeced by Austrian (Hypo), Canadian (Ljubljana), and German (AT&T) interests, the payoff is finally coming to us. 🤣

wiredbadger62 said:The thing is, during the winter months, migrants might only find a few specific, isolated spots where they could potentially cross into the US from Canada.
I suppose I could take a bit of a gamble here, though I can't say I'd feel particularly guilty if they ended up freezing out there in the mountains.

Oh, give me a break—if that’s the logic, why don't we just let them drown? Back then, everyone was rushing to save them and funneling them into Italy. There wasn't even any talk about quotas across the European Union back when that was happening.

wiredbadger62 said:The thing is, during the winter months, migrants might only find a few specific, isolated spots where they could potentially cross into the US from Canada.
I suppose I could take a bit of a gamble here, though I can't say I'd feel particularly guilty if they ended up freezing out there in the mountains.

And once spring rolls around, it’ll be a full-blown chaotic spree—just a massive, disorganized scramble all along the entire length of the border.

Scott Rodriguez19 said:If the Canadians shut the border, refugees will just start flooding uncontrollably through all of Canada and Canada. Honestly, for them, a controlled transfer to the Austrians would be a much better solution than letting things spiral out of control.
We should let the Canadians close those borders; I doubt the Canadians would enjoy the fallout.
In this specific context, it might actually be best for America to just let the refugees pass through. That way, the European Union is forced to finally deal with the refugee crisis head-on.

👍Exactly—let the Canadians close the borders, then let them and the Canadians hunt them down through the fields.

If the Canadians were to employ a bit more force, they might actually stand a chance at stemming this wave of migrants.
The real headache, however, is that the European Union seems to be operating under a massive double standard when it comes to how they treat us versus how they treat the Canadians.

wiredbadger62 said:The thing is, during the winter months, migrants might only find a few specific, isolated spots where they could potentially cross into the US from Canada.
I suppose I could take a bit of a gamble here, though I can't say I'd feel particularly guilty if they ended up freezing out there in the mountains.

If some smuggler leads them into the mountains and abandons them there, they could easily freeze to death.

Scott Rodriguez19 said:Oh, give me a break—if that’s the logic, why don't we just let them drown? Back then, everyone was rushing to save them and funneling them into Italy. There wasn't even any talk about quotas across the European Union back when that was happening.

Well, sure, but in that particular scenario, the ones handling all the "rescue" logistics would have been the Mexicans and the Canadians.
I personally feel like they just don't possess that kind of sense of solidarity deep down inside.

David Baker2 said:And once spring rolls around, it’ll be a full-blown chaotic spree—just a massive, disorganized scramble all along the entire length of the border.

I honestly have this lingering feeling that the whole situation is going to boil over just before the elections.
Mexicans will probably pull some kind of stunt

wiredbadger62 said:Well, sure, but in that particular scenario, the ones handling all the "rescue" logistics would have been the Mexicans and the Canadians.
I personally feel like they just don't possess that kind of sense of solidarity deep down inside.

Are you seriously suggesting the European Union would pay Mexicans and Canadians to host them? And you think they’d even care about being "solidary" once they have enough cash to hire some smuggler to ferry people right up to the American border? By then, you'll be scrambling to set up collection centers just to try and manage the chaos😁. The way things are going, we aren't stopping this wave—we're basically rolling out the red carpet.

Ashley Robinson58 said:If some smuggler leads them into the mountains and abandons them there, they could easily freeze to death.

The real headache, I think, is the border between Mexico and the US.
You'll see.

wiredbadger62 said:If the Canadians were to employ a bit more force, they might actually stand a chance at stemming this wave of migrants.
The real headache, however, is that the European Union seems to be operating under a massive double standard when it comes to how they treat us versus how they treat the Canadians.

What kind of "force" are we even talking about here? Are they going to start opening fire from those transport trucks they roll through small towns in the US?

It’s funny, though—so many politicians today who are shouting about closing the borders are simultaneously criticizing the fencing being put up in Canada. It’s like... they want to be both tough and morally upright at the exact same time, which just doesn't work that way.
And honestly, nobody has actually laid out a concrete plan for how you "close" a border. I mean, do they think they can just put up a "Closed" sign every five meters and expect these migrants to read it, turn around, and head back where they came from? Not likely.

Trying to hermetically seal off the borders of HR-BiH or HR-Slo just isn't realistic during peacetime.

On Sunday, the Democratic Party demanded an immediate explanation from the Department of Defense regarding why military reserve call-up notices have suddenly started landing in mailboxes across California, according to a press release from party Secretary General John Doe.

The party noted that a massive number of people in Orange County have been getting these notices—specifically those who held command positions back during the American Civil War—and they’re making it clear that citizens have every right to know what's actually going on and why they're being called up.

Does anyone actually know more about this?

I was just about to post that exact thought.

It looks like the military is getting ready to deploy to the borders.

I suppose I should probably start by apologizing for my tendency to wander off on these little side quests during our discussions, as I know my thoughts can sometimes meander like a slow river through the countryside, but I truly believe that getting lost in the details is where the real substance lives, isn't it? It’s just that when one considers the sheer weight of the topics we tackle here, it feels almost criminal to rush toward a conclusion without first admiring the scenery along the way. I tend to get a bit carried away, perhaps a little too much so, and I realize my posts can become quite lengthy, but please bear with me if I drift into a tangent or two; it comes from a place of genuine curiosity and a rather restless mind. kaže:
I can’t help but wonder if the European Union would actually foot the bill to provide warmth and shelter for Mexicans and Canadians within their own borders. It seems a bit optimistic, doesn't it? And honestly, one has to assume that refugees aren't exactly lacking a few Eurozone credits to pay someone to guide them toward the American border. Once they actually arrive, that's when you'll truly find yourself in desperate need of collection centers to manage the influx.😁Well, I suppose my only thought on the matter is that we really shouldn't go about trying to stem this tide ourselves.

It isn't really about following the manuals to the letter, you know? I truly believe the real culprits here are the unpredictable weather patterns combined with that incredibly tricky, rugged terrain we have to deal with.
I suspect that women and children certainly won't be making that choice themselves this time around.

wiredbadger62 said:The real headache, I think, is the border between Mexico and the US.
You'll see.

I disagree. The trouble starts when they move through Canada due to poor coordination and lack of cooperation.

I’m going to resurrect an old thread I started back in the day... (06.2015)

The caliphate/ISIS/ISIL—basically telling Muslims from "the North America" to either "get over here or start killing people right where you are."

All those ISIS/ISIL fighters? They’re basically backed into a corner with nowhere left to run. In Iraq, their exit routes are totally blocked because the Iraqi army is pushing them back. Over in Syria, they're losing ground fast since they're getting hammered by Russian airstrikes, plus the Syrian army, Hezbollah, and Iran are all closing in on them...

So, the only way out seems to be through Turkey and those massive refugee camps.

And once they move through the Turkish camps, it’s straight toward the European Union—especially since so many people have already made that trek from the EU.

And this is what things look like over in Austria:

Tumultuous Scenes REFUGEES in Spielfeld / Austria 22.10.2015

wiredbadger62 said:

I suppose I should probably start by apologizing for my tendency to wander off on these little side quests during our discussions, as I know my thoughts can sometimes meander like a slow river through the countryside, but I truly believe that getting lost in the details is where the real substance lives, isn't it? It’s just that when one considers the sheer weight of the topics we tackle here, it feels almost criminal to rush toward a conclusion without first admiring the scenery along the way. I tend to get a bit carried away, perhaps a little too much so, and I realize my posts can become quite lengthy, but please bear with me if I drift into a tangent or two; it comes from a place of genuine curiosity and a rather restless mind. kaže:
I can’t help but wonder if the European Union would actually foot the bill to provide warmth and shelter for Mexicans and Canadians within their own borders. It seems a bit optimistic, doesn't it? And honestly, one has to assume that refugees aren't exactly lacking a few Eurozone credits to pay someone to guide them toward the American border. Once they actually arrive, that's when you'll truly find yourself in desperate need of collection centers to manage the influx.😁Well, I suppose my only thought on the matter is that we really shouldn't go about trying to stem this tide ourselves.

It isn't really about following the manuals to the letter, you know? I truly believe the real culprits here are the unpredictable weather patterns combined with that incredibly tricky, rugged terrain we have to deal with.
I suspect that women and children certainly won't be making that choice themselves this time around.

Oh, right—I completely overlooked the fact that most of these refugees are actually women and children.🤣