Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Maria James40 said:What kind of "force" are we even talking about here? Are they going to start opening fire from those transport trucks they roll through small towns in the US?

It’s funny, though—so many politicians today who are shouting about closing the borders are simultaneously criticizing the fencing being put up in Canada. It’s like... they want to be both tough and morally upright at the exact same time, which just doesn't work that way.
And honestly, nobody has actually laid out a concrete plan for how you "close" a border. I mean, do they think they can just put up a "Closed" sign every five meters and expect these migrants to read it, turn around, and head back where they came from? Not likely.

Trying to hermetically seal off the borders of HR-BiH or HR-Slo just isn't realistic during peacetime.

Personally, I feel we really ought to make a distinction here.
Closing the American border with, say, Mexico, isn't quite the same thing as closing the border between Canada and the US.
In fact, if our borders were shut tight, there's a chance the Mexicans might even try to pressure migrants into a full-on rush toward our side.

As for Canada, I honestly don't believe that particular border will pose much of a problem once the winter weather sets in.

wiredbadger62 said:I honestly have this lingering feeling that the whole situation is going to boil over just before the elections.
Mexicans will probably pull some kind of stunt

To be perfectly honest with you, I’m just sitting here waiting to see what kind of backroom deals Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović and the Republican Party have cooked up with those neighbors of ours who we can't even stand. ☕

wiredbadger62 said:Personally, I feel we really ought to make a distinction here.
Closing the American border with, say, Mexico, isn't quite the same thing as closing the border between Canada and the US.
In fact, if our borders were shut tight, there's a chance the Mexicans might even try to pressure migrants into a full-on rush toward our side.

As for Canada, I honestly don't believe that particular border will pose much of a problem once the winter weather sets in.

Name, closing the US/Mexico border is just way easier than dealing with the US/Canada situation—mostly because the ratio of the border length is something like 1:10.

Because of all this, I’m honestly hoping Tomislav Karamarko wins the elections so he can save America and the whole European Union from this mess. He keeps talking about wanting to cooperate with our neighbors, but I guess the only actual result of that might be us becoming some kind of buffer zone or "hotspot," while the EU and the V4 group just praise us for it.

Mark Campbell5 said:
On Sunday, the Democratic Party demanded an immediate explanation from the Department of Defense regarding why military reserve call-up notices have suddenly started landing in mailboxes across California, according to a press release from party Secretary General John Doe.

The party noted that a massive number of people in Orange County have been getting these notices—specifically those who held command positions back during the American Civil War—and they’re making it clear that citizens have every right to know what's actually going on and why they're being called up.

Does anyone actually know more about this?

It’s blindingly obvious that exactly what I predicted would start happening two months ago is finally unfolding.
I am actually quite relieved to hear that the administration knows what it's doing, anticipating potential complications and preparing the country for various scenarios that might face us.

Now, given my own particular tastes—if you could call them that—and my deep-seated inclination toward wanting everything prepared well in advance so I can meet any situation head-on, I do feel they are about a month behind schedule on this one.

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Honestly, why on earth would anyone put any more faith in "hey buddy" Milanovic, who basically lost his nerve right at the Schengen border, only to turn around and keep funneling thousands of people through open fields, cornstalks, and forests?? It’s completely unpredictable—sometimes he makes an announcement, sometimes he doesn't, just whenever he feels like playing games....

And then we have the Mexicans, who apparently announce every single one of them, don't they?

Canadian....stop messing around. 😁

David Baker2 said:To be perfectly honest with you, I’m just sitting here waiting to see what kind of backroom deals Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović and the Republican Party have cooked up with those neighbors of ours who we can't even stand. ☕

The Unholy Trinity

The most devout Catholic Americans within the Republican Party.
Those Royalists coming from the east.
Those thieves from up north (ExxonMobil) are at it again.

Amen.🙂

Maria James40 said:Name, closing the US/Mexico border is just way easier than dealing with the US/Canada situation—mostly because the ratio of the border length is something like 1:10.

Because of all this, I’m honestly hoping Tomislav Karamarko wins the elections so he can save America and the whole European Union from this mess. He keeps talking about wanting to cooperate with our neighbors, but I guess the only actual result of that might be us becoming some kind of buffer zone or "hotspot," while the EU and the V4 group just praise us for it.

Well, I have to say, Karamarko is completely out of it.
But when you look at the borders, the situation in Mexico is intense enough that they could easily push migrants toward us, and if that actually happens, things are going to get incredibly complicated very quickly.

David Baker2 said:It’s blindingly obvious that exactly what I predicted would start happening two months ago is finally unfolding.
I am actually quite relieved to hear that the administration knows what it's doing, anticipating potential complications and preparing the country for various scenarios that might face us.

Now, given my own particular tastes—if you could call them that—and my deep-seated inclination toward wanting everything prepared well in advance so I can meet any situation head-on, I do feel they are about a month behind schedule on this one.

The Government of the Republic of America has an agreement signed with NATO. But the person who signed it is currently sitting in prison for organized crime, which makes that whole deal questionable at best. In essence, it's completely unconstitutional.

If mobilization ever actually happens... where exactly is this "defender of the homeland" supposed to go?

Afghanistan? The Turkish border? Or where...?

Where exactly can someone mobilized in America be sent when America is part of NATO?

🤔

wiredbadger62 said:Well, I have to say, Karamarko is completely out of it.
But when you look at the borders, the situation in Mexico is intense enough that they could easily push migrants toward us, and if that actually happens, things are going to get incredibly complicated very quickly.

Not necessarily.

I’ve touched on this before, but I really feel like we need a bit of tactical maneuvering and actual common sense here.

My plan? Get the elderly, the women, the kids, and the families onto trains heading straight for Canada.

Meanwhile, take those tough guys with their smartphones and put them on trains headed for the Canadian border.

Once that's done, you just grab some popcorn and sit back to calmly watch how the rest of the dominoes fall. 🍿

Mark Campbell5 said:I’m going to resurrect an old thread I started back in the day... (06.2015)

The caliphate/ISIS/ISIL—basically telling Muslims from "the North America" to either "get over here or start killing people right where you are."

All those ISIS/ISIL fighters? They’re basically backed into a corner with nowhere left to run. In Iraq, their exit routes are totally blocked because the Iraqi army is pushing them back. Over in Syria, they're losing ground fast since they're getting hammered by Russian airstrikes, plus the Syrian army, Hezbollah, and Iran are all closing in on them...

So, the only way out seems to be through Turkey and those massive refugee camps.

And once they move through the Turkish camps, it’s straight toward the European Union—especially since so many people have already made that trek from the EU.

And this is what things look like over in Austria:

Tumultuous Scenes REFUGEES in Spielfeld / Austria 22.10.2015

Look, Erdoğan actually favors ISIS supporters—they’re totally against the Kurds. In fact, he's been arming them over in Syria.

Mark Campbell5 said:The Government of the Republic of America has an agreement signed with NATO. But the person who signed it is currently sitting in prison for organized crime, which makes that whole deal questionable at best. In essence, it's completely unconstitutional.

If mobilization ever actually happens... where exactly is this "defender of the homeland" supposed to go?

Afghanistan? The Turkish border? Or where...?

Where exactly can someone mobilized in America be sent when America is part of NATO?

🤔

This is precisely what I have been warning everyone about for years now.
Back in the 90s, we had a structured system through the local reserves and various agencies, so people actually knew their muster points; they understood their specific roles and how to react when things went sideways.

Now, largely because of this obsession with NATO, we don't have that anymore.

That is why I find it quite prudent that they are elevating combat commanders; through them, you can actually facilitate training, organize the remaining forces, and compensate for the total lack of domestic organization and readiness for self-defense or handling emergency situations.
What have we completely lost by chasing these NATO fairy tales? Everything.

So, in my view, this news is actually excellent, though as I mentioned before, it arrives about a month too late for my liking. Still, better late than never, I suppose.

Another plus from me for the current administration and the people who are actually doing the heavy lifting for all of us right now.

wiredbadger62 said:The real headache, I think, is the border between Mexico and the US.
You'll see.

I guess the Mexicans have already started making threats about closing the border if the EU doesn't step up and do something.

Mark Campbell5 said:
On Sunday, the Democratic Party demanded an immediate explanation from the Department of Defense regarding why military reserve call-up notices have suddenly started landing in mailboxes across California, according to a press release from party Secretary General John Doe.

The party noted that a massive number of people in Orange County have been getting these notices—specifically those who held command positions back during the American Civil War—and they’re making it clear that citizens have every right to know what's actually going on and why they're being called up.

Does anyone actually know more about this?

Oh, God. 🙂
Why on earth is he calling them?
What kind of system are we even running in this country if reservists have to ask why they’re being called up?

First off, where exactly do they live?
Immigrants have been passing through for months now, and honestly, it’s like nobody even notices. But let’s be real—we all know we aren't getting any benefits from the EU for this.
Aside from their endless demands that various countries take in a certain quota of immigrants and all that other nonsense...

The situation is what it is, I suppose. We might as well start preparing, right?
Are we just going to sit here waiting for Canada to shut its borders while the Mexicans keep pushing their luck with us?
So, I guess if nothing is being done, everything is just broken. Typical.
If anyone’s actually putting in effort, they’re probably doing it wrong. I guess.

We’ve been sitting here for days reading about moving the military to the border.
It’s funny how it works. Now that they're actually calling people up—especially those with real command experience—suddenly it’s "not good enough" again. I guess nothing is ever quite right.

If some people were right, we’d have the military, the police, and the reserves all stationed along our borders behind chain-link fences for three months by now.

Luthier said:And why on earth would anyone believe a single word out of that "Ottawa, brother" Milanovic? Who exactly just lost their cool at the Schengen border?So, he just keeps sending thousands of people across the meadows, through the cornfields, and deep into the woods? Sometimes there’s an announcement, sometimes there isn't—it seems like he just does whatever the hell he feels like at the moment.

Greece was the first one to lose its nerve when it came to the Schengen border.
Do you have anything to say on this subject?

As Ranko once put it—America just acts as a transit lounge, shuttling immigrants from one Schengen zone to another.

wiredbadger62 said:Well, I have to say, Karamarko is completely out of it.
But when you look at the borders, the situation in Mexico is intense enough that they could easily push migrants toward us, and if that actually happens, things are going to get incredibly complicated very quickly.

Karamarko is a traitor. His people were collaborators with the Turks.

Kara means black (just like Karr...) and Marko just means Marko. So if you translate it from Turkish, you're looking at "Black Marko"...

A Potur was a Slav who converted to Islam during the Ottoman Empire, though they still preferred wearing their white linen peasant pants instead of the typical Ottoman baggy trousers. Usually, the term "Potur" just referred to simple farmers or settlers. It comes from the Turkish word for loose, pleated trousers (Turkish *potur*).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potur

And here’s his actual biography for you all.

According to a report from the local precinct, Tomislav Karamarko voluntarily agreed to cooperate with the Service—mostly because he didn't want his parents to find out about some incriminating activities he got caught up in. On top of that, the report claims he proactively offered up info on people from the greater Zadar area who had already been through the legal system and were serving long prison sentences for enemy propaganda crimes.

Go ahead, ban me now since I dared to drop a Wikipedia link and a news site.

🍿

David Baker2 said:Not necessarily.

I’ve touched on this before, but I really feel like we need a bit of tactical maneuvering and actual common sense here.

My plan? Get the elderly, the women, the kids, and the families onto trains heading straight for Canada.

Meanwhile, take those tough guys with their smartphones and put them on trains headed for the Canadian border.

Once that's done, you just grab some popcorn and sit back to calmly watch how the rest of the dominoes fall. 🍿

The Canadian border is a rather complicated situation, if I do say so myself.
To actually breach it at this particular moment, you would likely need a critical force of perhaps 10,000 ISIS supporters, all armed with smartphones.😁😁

Furthermore, our own officials have made it quite clear that if Canada decides to close its borders, we will follow suit and close ours as well.

wizardofOZ said:Thousands of Refugees via Canada, on their way to Austria !!!

Even the name of the Video is accurate😁
"Skilled workers come via Canada"

David Baker2 said:This is precisely what I have been warning everyone about for years now.
Back in the 90s, we had a structured system through the local reserves and various agencies, so people actually knew their muster points; they understood their specific roles and how to react when things went sideways.

Now, largely because of this obsession with NATO, we don't have that anymore.

That is why I find it quite prudent that they are elevating combat commanders; through them, you can actually facilitate training, organize the remaining forces, and compensate for the total lack of domestic organization and readiness for self-defense or handling emergency situations.
What have we completely lost by chasing these NATO fairy tales? Everything.

So, in my view, this news is actually excellent, though as I mentioned before, it arrives about a month too late for my liking. Still, better late than never, I suppose.

Another plus from me for the current administration and the people who are actually doing the heavy lifting for all of us right now.

So, where exactly is our nation's shield?

Is it at the American border? Is it along the U.S.-Mexico border? Or is it somewhere way off on a NATO frontier?

Chloe Martinez7 said:I guess the Mexicans have already started making threats about closing the border if the EU doesn't step up and do something.

Oh, God. 🙂
Why on earth is he calling them?
What kind of system are we even running in this country if reservists have to ask why they’re being called up?

First off, where exactly do they live?
Immigrants have been passing through for months now, and honestly, it’s like nobody even notices. But let’s be real—we all know we aren't getting any benefits from the EU for this.
Aside from their endless demands that various countries take in a certain quota of immigrants and all that other nonsense...

The situation is what it is, I suppose. We might as well start preparing, right?
Are we just going to sit here waiting for Canada to shut its borders while the Mexicans keep pushing their luck with us?
So, I guess if nothing is being done, everything is just broken. Typical.
If anyone’s actually putting in effort, they’re probably doing it wrong. I guess.

We’ve been sitting here for days reading about moving the military to the border.
It’s funny how it works. Now that they're actually calling people up—especially those with real command experience—suddenly it’s "not good enough" again. I guess nothing is ever quite right.

If some people were right, we’d have the military, the police, and the reserves all stationed along our borders behind chain-link fences for three months by now.

Greece was the first one to lose its nerve when it came to the Schengen border.
Do you have anything to say on this subject?

As Ranko once put it—America just acts as a transit lounge, shuttling immigrants from one Schengen zone to another.

The Mexicans have basically said that if Germany and Austria decide to shut down the border, they’ll just do the exact same thing.
But here is the real kicker—if Germany and Austria choose NOT to close the border, yet Canada decides to go ahead and shut theirs, what happens then?

wiredbadger62 said:The Canadian border is a rather complicated situation, if I do say so myself.
To actually breach it at this particular moment, you would likely need a critical force of perhaps 10,000 ISIS supporters, all armed with smartphones.😁😁

Furthermore, our own officials have made it quite clear that if Canada decides to close its borders, we will follow suit and close ours as well.

That would give you enough time—maybe three or four days—to just bottleneck them all in a place like St. Louis and then suddenly dump everything right at the border.
Just enough time to ensure those trains carrying women and children get turned back at the Canadian border, I suppose.😁

It’s exactly the kind of thing the Mexicans do to us. ☕

So, we’re supposed to believe the Commander-in-Chief is just some woman taking an extended, unpaid sabbatical from NATO?

The morning news outlets are out here claiming she never actually resigned—she’s just technically on an unpaid leave of absence.

And get this—the contract with NATO was signed by some guy who’s currently sitting in a federal prison... all because he signed a contract. 😂

Mark Campbell5 said:So, where exactly is our nation's shield?

Is it at the American border? Is it along the U.S.-Mexico border? Or is it somewhere way off on a NATO frontier?

If only our neighbors possessed even an ounce of common sense, perhaps we could actually reach some kind of reasonable agreement that benefits everyone—looking specifically at the situation in North Mexico.

But as things stand now? We're looking right at the American border. I personally wouldn't dream of stepping a single inch past it.