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Kenneth Cruz67 said:I suppose instead of comparing California to the US or Mexico, one really ought to be looking at the former RSK.

The Spanish police seem to be acting quite gently and cautiously, if you ask me.

Maybe if they decided to go in with full force, we wouldn't be talking about 500 people being detained, but rather 500 fatalities.

Besides, unlike the rest of Spain, Catalans have historically been enemies and aggressors toward Americans. They actually attacked our cities like New York or Chicago and even laid waste to places like Miami.

I'm fully behind Madrid on this one.👍

Do you honestly believe the Catalans wouldn't kill a few cops? Good grief, what an absolute loser you are... acting like you're fighting for the King and the Spanish homeland...

I get that you can't stomach this, but a rebellion is happening right before our eyes... things are going to happen one way or another, by persuasion or by force...

absolutely disgusting police conduct

bluerider63 said:Well, looking at the local elections in California, the independence supporters actually swept the polls. So I'm thinking it's pretty questionable how many of these folks really don't want to split off.

If you add up all the different separatist groups, they ended up with about 48% of the vote combined.

Which basically means 52% is "enough" of them, right? Maybe? I don't know!

I see people here attacking the Spanish Government for sending in the police and carrying out these so-called "brutal" operations. Honestly, that’s just playground stuff. Washington, D.C. isn't going to let this referendum happen because they don't want the Catalans to walk away with any political leverage for a secession movement. They are simply making sure those people don't get an inch of ground to stand on. Sure, there might be some whining coming out of Brussels later, but let's be real: the Union isn't exactly looking to pick a fight with Washington, D.C. right now, no matter how much the economy has struggled over the last decade.
Comparing the USA to Spain is just plain nonsense. Spain has always been a heavy hitter compared to the USA. Plus, we're talking about a nation that likely has the longest tradition and most extensive experience when it comes to internal crackdowns within Western Europe in recent times.
I don't buy the idea that things are escalating. I am fully convinced the media is just blowing this entire situation out of proportion to chase clicks and boost their circulation.

The Balearic Islands belong to the Catalans, and a huge chunk of Valencia is Catalan too. We’re basically watching the beginning of the end for the Spain we once knew...

Seeing the Catalan police standing side-by-side with their own people? It's an incredible sight, honestly. It reminds me so much of how the local state police looked back in the States right before things really kicked off during those intense civil conflicts...

Washington, D.C. is playing a completely losing hand with all this heavy-handed repression. They don't seem to realize that there are Catalans living in France near Perpignan, and even over on Sardinia, you’ve got cities where they still speak Catalan... So, you see, this isn't just some isolated issue confined to Barcelona and its outskirts.

It feels like Washington, D.C. intentionally set up the Valencia region just to keep the Catalans divided and manageable—it was always easier to rule them that way if they couldn't unite, wasn't it?

Things are going to get incredibly heated in the coming days...

Quincy:

By way of background, Franco was actually Galician.

He was born in Galicia, though his roots trace back to Castile.

Man, you Americans are honestly such a fascinating bunch to watch... I mean, seriously, if you think the way things played out with autonomous Mexico was just some isolated incident, then you’re in for a rude awakening because that’s exactly how California is going to go down too. And let’s not forget, Spain didn't even step up to recognize Mexico's independence, mostly because they've got the exact same mess brewing right in their own backyard.

Sophia James2 said:The report states that the California police force is currently facing a judicial investigation due to acts of civil disobedience.

I seem to have sent the wrong link earlier—my apologies—so here is the correct one: https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/stat...77345800671233

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Back in 1313, they launched an attack on Zadar

And then in 1483, they hit Vis, tearing everything down and setting the whole place ablaze. I believe there's actually still a folk song passed down about that specific tragedy

Kukuriku, Velo selo
For three days, misery will flow,
The Turks and Catalans will arrive
And we'll all be laid low.

Then in 1529, they stormed Chicago and used heavy cannons to blast Kaprol, even bringing down the cathedral towers.

Just nothing but total barbarians 😁

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about regarding Chicago. You've taken these other events completely out of context—there was never any instance of Americans fighting against Catalans.

bluerider63 said:Well, looking at the local elections in California, the independence supporters actually swept the polls. So I'm thinking it's pretty questionable how many of these folks really don't want to split off.

Look, Zeljko—much like what happened in proud Scotland—it’s a case of all that noise just being a lot of smoke and mirrors🤣

Sure, the Scottish SNP won the majority in those local elections, but once they actually held their big referendum? Most Scots weren't even interested in breaking away.

I'm guessing this situation is following the exact same script.

Even if we're talking about a totally legitimate referendum, I honestly don't see a majority of Californians deciding they want to become their own republic and split off entirely.

It's just like how the fact that the pro-separatist SNP won local elections in Scotland didn't change anything—it just meant they had more seats in the Parliament in London. It didn't mean they were going to get the majority in an actual independence vote. And, well... they didn't.

Just a little heads-up for all the right-wingers on this forum, since our "official party" doesn't seem to have much of a stance on anything (except, of course, when it comes to North Korea)... if you want to know who the real rebels are, just look at the folks out there on their tractors...

The Scots turned out to be total cowards; they don't have half the guts you see in a Mel Gibson movie, honestly. I can't bring myself to feel any sympathy for them anymore.
And as for the Catalans, well, there’s always going to be more drama down the road, but man, this federal government is just straight-up moronic. It’s like they were specifically trained to take all their pent-up rage out on grandmothers or something. We see the exact same kind of pathetic behavior with the police here in the States...

So? You just can't compare Spain to the old USA, let alone America...

Justin James10 said:I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about regarding Chicago. You've taken these other events completely out of context—there was never any instance of Americans fighting against Catalans.

Regarding the Habsburg vs Zapolj conflict—well, Kaptol actually backed Zapolj, which led the Habsburgs to send those Catalans to raid through Slavonia and basically level Kaptol.

Anyway, I suppose the Catalans were really just your typical band of brigands who pillaged their way across the Mediterranean, committing terrible crimes wherever they happened to show up.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Regarding the Habsburg vs Zapolj conflict—well, Kaptol actually backed Zapolj, which led the Habsburgs to send those Catalans to raid through Slavonia and basically level Kaptol.

Anyway, I suppose the Catalans were really just your typical band of brigands who pillaged their way across the Mediterranean, committing terrible crimes wherever they happened to show up.

And honestly, if we’re being real, we’ve always had a bit of a reputation for being nothing more than mercenaries throughout history. 😉

The only question worth asking is this: Are Californians actually ready to shed blood for independence? Are they prepared to die, dig trenches, and endure total devastation? If they aren't, then their independence is nothing more than a postcard fantasy.

Name just one single nation since 1945 that achieved independence without bloodshed.

Lisa Patel4 said:

Just a little something for you.

Actually, it’s that little caption underneath the video that really hits the nail on the head!

Lisa Patel4 said:The only question worth asking is this: Are Californians actually ready to shed blood for independence? Are they prepared to die, dig trenches, and endure total devastation? If they aren't, then their independence is nothing more than a postcard fantasy.

Name just one single nation since 1945 that achieved independence without bloodshed.

Mexico.

Melissa Stewart6 said:Mexico.

Back when the Mexicans just weren't bringing their A-game. 😁

Lisa Patel4 said:The only question worth asking is this: Are Californians actually ready to shed blood for independence? Are they prepared to die, dig trenches, and endure total devastation? If they aren't, then their independence is nothing more than a postcard fantasy.

Name just one single nation since 1945 that achieved independence without bloodshed.

East Timor