Why did Jesus die?

Benjamin Taylor6 said:🙏
All we're missing here is one Jehovah's Witness to make this whole circus complete. 😂
Of course, any Muslim is going to have an official stance from Islamic theologians regarding death and the atonement of the sins of Jesus of Nazareth. And their take is basically: "What kind of atonement is this nonsense?" It makes Allah look like some pagan deity demanding a child sacrifice just to show mercy. In this version, Allah gives his own only son as a sacrifice!? All to pay for a sin that Adam and Eve committed back in the Garden of Eden—a sin that spread through humanity like a genetic disease! 😲

So, which God became human?
In Christianity (though not their specific version): Jesus of Nazareth.
In Hinduism (again, not their version): Krishna.
There are plenty more, but they aren't really worth discussing since they fall under ancient mythology, and frankly, most people today couldn't care less about that stuff.

Gregory Jackson said:But, honestly, maybe it didn't even go down quite like that, even though Matthew 27:46 says so, since there are these contradictions in the Gospels. I mean, he had the high priests from the Sanhedrin up there on the cross with him—the same guys who sentenced him—along with Caiaphas, all mocking him. And back then, Jesus spoke in Aramaic:

Vmar Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani

My God, my God, why have you abandoned me within them?

I think it's super important to understand the context behind this statement, because it confuses so many people; it makes it look like God just ditched His own son on the cross, which doesn't make any sense at all.

Should we really believe everything someone writes down?

velvetmaker39 said:Should we really believe everything someone writes down?

I mean, you really shouldn't just swallow everything anyone puts on paper, you know? I guess we all have this brain to actually think things through—it's a gift from God, after all. Plus, you have this whole opportunity to grow spiritually enough to just go out and do your own research. Like, you're literally writing books! 🙂 Then again, I suppose you always have the option to just be a sheep and gulp down every single contradiction you stumble upon just because it’s in some "holy scripture." Seriously though, life is just overflowing with possibilities, and I'm honestly so thankful to the Creator for that.

Alex Ramos91 said:Forget original sin... He died for my personal sins...
He couldn't just use a decree because that’s simply not how He operates. Everything that seemed to happen in the OT (go read my last post if you need a refresher) was ultimately settled on the cross.

If it had been a mere decree, then Satan would actually have a leg to stand on. He’d be like, "Hold on a second... I get a little cocky and try to act like God, and then I look at these thieves and rebels out here doing whatever they want, and You just hand out forgiveness like candy?"

Besides, this whole divine path is exactly what makes any hopeless sinner stop and stare in awe. It’s why we praise and worship God—because when you realize the sheer scale of His love and forgiveness, you can't help it. 😍

Yeah, Satan could easily throw a tantrum and say to God: What's gotten into You? Since November 11, 2011, it's like everyone is born incapable of sinning. Everyone comes into this world pure, just like Mary or Your son, Jesus Christ. What am I supposed to do now when I can't corrupt anyone anymore? There are no more rebels, no more outlaws, no more sinners left to deal with. Everyone is born a saint or a righteous soul. It's a pretty boring world for someone like me, Satan, with nothing left to hunt.

So, why did Jesus have to die?

- Just so you’d finally have an excuse to start this thread, I guess.

Then the Lord appeared to him. He cut his prayer short to embrace him. After kissing him, he said,
"Rabbi, I’ve found you. I heard about everything you went through, and I was overcome with
grief. You know how much I care. After thinking it over, I realized there is no point in even
looking at those people. They deserve to be judged for what they did.
Their actions are a direct violation of what is right."
The Lord replied, "James, don't worry about me, and don't worry about those
people. I am the one who lived within me. I have never
suffered, nor was I ever pitied. And those people
didn't actually do anything to me. No, they simply existed
as a sort of Archon species, and that warrants
being [wiped out] through them.

OT according to James

And who’s actually certain he died? What if the whole thing was just a massive ruse—an illusion—and he’s actually walking among us right now, laughing at the fools who turned his life and legacy into a caricature? Everyone assumes that once someone is crucified, it's an instant death sentence, but that's just not how it works—crucifixion isn't always immediate—so who can truly guarantee he didn't find a way out

Jesus died to redeem us from that original sin—you know, the one Adam and Eve committed, which, if you listen to some modern preachers, they’re now claiming never even happened. But I suppose it doesn't much matter who the first humans were. The point is, we’re all born with this inherent defect, and what’s the cure? Christianity. That’s why we supposedly need the church. Ha.
And honestly, if God is all-powerful, why didn't He just say, "Alright everyone, you're all forgiven" and call it a day? Instead, He shows up to individuals in secret, and then we're expected to just take the word of prophets or anyone else claiming to have heard from Him. We're basically forced to trust people we've never met. And if Jesus already died, why is there still so much sin in the world? I guess it's because Satan keeps tempting people. But if God is truly omnipotent, why not just wipe out Satan and end the whole saga right now? Well, apparently He wants to wait until the end of time. That seems to be the catch. It can't be over yet, because if He killed him and solved the problem of sin once and for all, we wouldn't need religion anymore. It’s kind of like Batman—he never actually kills the Joker; he just throws him in Arkham, the guy escapes, and everything starts all over again.

I suppose one could say that Jesus died to redeem our sins and to ultimately reconcile humanity with God.

Why did Jesus die? Well, if you look at it from a purely earthly perspective, it was simply because he was a man—just another mortal facing the inevitable end. Of course, that assumes he even existed in the first place.

Daniel Castillo11 said:Why did Jesus die? Well, if you look at it from a purely earthly perspective, it was simply because he was a man—just another mortal facing the inevitable end. Of course, that assumes he even existed in the first place.

Where is this coming from? Even those who were responsible for crucifying him acknowledged he was one of them, they just couldn't accept him as the Son of God or believe in his resurrection. We always respond to the phrase "The Lord's peace
be with you and your spirit" by asking: where is the peace for those who crucified him? They are locked in eternal conflict and will never find peace.

Daniel Castillo11 said:Why did Jesus die? Well, if you look at it from a purely earthly perspective, it was simply because he was a man—just another mortal facing the inevitable end. Of course, that assumes he even existed in the first place.

A direct hit right in the center there; the question really ought to have been "for whom did Jesus die."

Look, death isn't even the point; it’s all about the resurrection... if the resurrection hadn't happened, Christianity wouldn't even be a thing. Jesus would just be some con artist that nobody even remembers, there wouldn't have been any first Christians, and instead of walking straight into death with a rock-solid faith in God, they would've just scattered in fear like they did when Jesus was caught and sentenced to that shameful death on the cross..
Jesus died so He could rise again, proving that God isn't just above every struggle, problem, or sickness, but actually stands above death itself—showing that anyone who puts their trust in Him can be resurrected too. The resurrection completely flipped the world upside down from Adam's time all the way into eternity. That one event totally wrecked everything we thought we knew about life and its purpose. It brought meaning to places where there was none before Jesus Christ—into sickness, into suffering, into grief, and into the darkest Fridays of our lives. Through the resurrection and believing in Jesus Christ, fear stops being this soul-crushing monster... that's why the apostles were ready to die and let go of their physical bodies for eternal life and fellowship with God. For a true believer, suffering stops being terrifying because you know death isn't the end of the line..
And Jesus says—whoever believes in me will live even if they die..
And the same goes for—whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life; and I will raise them up on the last day..
The whole thing hinges on the resurrection, not on death for death's sake.. but to get to the resurrection, you need faith, even if the resurrection has more proof than half the stuff in history textbooks that people just take for granted... honestly, most of what we think we know, we either believe or don't, but we actually know very little...

Casey Jackson17 said:Look, death isn't even the point; it’s all about the resurrection... if the resurrection hadn't happened, Christianity wouldn't even be a thing. Jesus would just be some con artist that nobody even remembers, there wouldn't have been any first Christians, and instead of walking straight into death with a rock-solid faith in God, they would've just scattered in fear like they did when Jesus was caught and sentenced to that shameful death on the cross..
Jesus died so He could rise again, proving that God isn't just above every struggle, problem, or sickness, but actually stands above death itself—showing that anyone who puts their trust in Him can be resurrected too. The resurrection completely flipped the world upside down from Adam's time all the way into eternity. That one event totally wrecked everything we thought we knew about life and its purpose. It brought meaning to places where there was none before Jesus Christ—into sickness, into suffering, into grief, and into the darkest Fridays of our lives. Through the resurrection and believing in Jesus Christ, fear stops being this soul-crushing monster... that's why the apostles were ready to die and let go of their physical bodies for eternal life and fellowship with God. For a true believer, suffering stops being terrifying because you know death isn't the end of the line..
And Jesus says—whoever believes in me will live even if they die..
And the same goes for—whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life; and I will raise them up on the last day..
The whole thing hinges on the resurrection, not on death for death's sake.. but to get to the resurrection, you need faith, even if the resurrection has more proof than half the stuff in history textbooks that people just take for granted... honestly, most of what we think we know, we either believe or don't, but we actually know very little...

Look, I believe firmly in Jesus and His teachings, but when it comes to the resurrection, I wouldn't bet a single cent on it. And besides, what even is a "resurrection"? My friends, you are putting your faith in words you don't even understand. I really wish someone could sit down and actually explain that concept to me—someone who actually believes in the resurrection.

velvetmaker39 said:Look, I believe firmly in Jesus and His teachings, but when it comes to the resurrection, I wouldn't bet a single cent on it. And besides, what even is a "resurrection"? My friends, you are putting your faith in words you don't even understand. I really wish someone could sit down and actually explain that concept to me—someone who actually believes in the resurrection.

I mean, if you already believe in Jesus, why would you even need proof?

Amy Brown8 said:I mean, if you already believe in Jesus, why would you even need proof?

My point was that when it comes to Jesus and his teachings, it's all about placing your faith in the person himself; everything else just feels secondary.

velvetmaker39 said:My point was that when it comes to Jesus and his teachings, it's all about placing your faith in the person himself; everything else just feels secondary.

There’s actual logic to what you’re saying.
🙂
Because people can wrap just about anything in the name of Jesus, much like how we see certain interpretations twisted in the Gospels...

Dennis Moore4 said:There’s actual logic to what you’re saying.
🙂
Because people can wrap just about anything in the name of Jesus, much like how we see certain interpretations twisted in the Gospels...

But honestly, who actually gives a damn about Jesus or his teachings on love? Let's just head over to those political forums for veterans—you'll see a massive flood of posts there instead.

velvetmaker39 said:But honestly, who actually gives a damn about Jesus or his teachings on love? Let's just head over to those political forums for veterans—you'll see a massive flood of posts there instead.

Names carry weight...
The obsession with labels and ego is exhausting...
😁

It seems I’m shouting into the void here since nobody has bothered to answer my question, so let's get into it: what does the word "resurrected" actually mean? In American English, it carries zero weight because, frankly, it isn't even a native term. It’s Greek in origin, and if we were being linguistically honest, the root implies "to bring back to life" or "to save." So, strictly speaking, Jesus saved Himself after the crucifixion, and there’s really no mysticism involved—no floating up into the clouds or any of those other cinematic flourishes. Of course, people will always claim they saw things that weren't there, much like a dream that feels real until you wake up, but that's just how history gets rewritten. Eventually, our descendants will be looking back at our era like they look at some ancient sci-fi movie, wondering, "Man, our ancestors really thought they were all-powerful, didn't they?" But why don't we just say that Jesus SAVED HIMSELF after the cross? Why go through the trouble of using a word that the average person doesn't fully grasp? It feels like a convenient way for those in power to muddy the waters; they prefer keeping things murky to maintain control. If you want the truth, you're on your own to find it, and honestly, I think that's just the way the world works.

velvetmaker39 said:It seems I’m shouting into the void here since nobody has bothered to answer my question, so let's get into it: what does the word "resurrected" actually mean? In American English, it carries zero weight because, frankly, it isn't even a native term. It’s Greek in origin, and if we were being linguistically honest, the root implies "to bring back to life" or "to save." So, strictly speaking, Jesus saved Himself after the crucifixion, and there’s really no mysticism involved—no floating up into the clouds or any of those other cinematic flourishes. Of course, people will always claim they saw things that weren't there, much like a dream that feels real until you wake up, but that's just how history gets rewritten. Eventually, our descendants will be looking back at our era like they look at some ancient sci-fi movie, wondering, "Man, our ancestors really thought they were all-powerful, didn't they?" But why don't we just say that Jesus SAVED HIMSELF after the cross? Why go through the trouble of using a word that the average person doesn't fully grasp? It feels like a convenient way for those in power to muddy the waters; they prefer keeping things murky to maintain control. If you want the truth, you're on your own to find it, and honestly, I think that's just the way the world works.

It’s like when they changed the Soma in Rome...
Turning a living body into a corpse once they stripped it down...