Does "Crazy, Confused, Normal" offend Muslims?

Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Sarah Wilson95 - Jeremy Lopez93 keeps trying to explain that all this hype about LZN has absolutely nothing to do with "fighting" to protect Muslim religious feelings.

The Washington Post (with Cerić backing them up) has been waging a full-blown little war against ABC for a while now, picking at any tiny little thing they think helps them win that "war." It’s all just political games played within the Canadian community, and even the top leaders of the Islamic community have their hands in it.

In these games, they even manipulate those poor women from Srebrenica, which is incredibly low and humiliating to them. Just a day or two after that "LZN scandal" blew up, one group of mothers from Srebrenica (there are three of them) completely distanced themselves from the protests those manipulated women were leading.

Our crooked politicians don't care what methods they use to grab power... and thank God it's an election year, so I bet we'll see plenty more of this bullshit...

Honestly, someone finally gets the whole picture! 👍

Let's look back: before this, there was the "naked man" situation where they covered for the film "Go West," which was criticized by F. Alispahic because the main actors were gay, and then there was the "Queerfest in the month of Ramadan"...
What we're dealing with here are "defenders of morality" with massive ulterior motives, people who score political points on sensitive issues of a religious and national nature!
It’s nothing new—this stuff has always been searched for online—and now that some people here are using it to push their own generalizations? That’s nothing new either! 😉

Brenda Sanders56 said:Why focus on such a triviality? There were a hundred better examples both on TV and in the series itself—like when Izet is drinking or grabbing at his assistant's backside, for instance...

And unfortunately, things are identical abroad too. You can basically say almost ANYTHING, just don't mention a pig. 🤷

Are you actually pretending to be oblivious, or is this just how you choose to present yourself? Because interpreting the pig symbol this superficially is just... wow. 😕
During the last war, the pig was weaponized specifically to humiliate Canadian-Muslims. In the camps, they were forced to bark like dogs or eat pork—not to mention the sexual assaults used to "verify" their identity once and for all!
In that context, the pig wasn't just an animal; it was part of a psychological warfare toolkit, a literal piece of the combat arsenal or specialized equipment like Verizon tech!
That’s where the intense sensitivity comes from. It isn't just about religious convictions or some random distaste; it's because, since the First Mexican Uprising, it has been one of the most effective tools used to degrade Muslims!
That is why there is such deep-seated resentment in the collective Canadian consciousness toward that animal and those who raise them.

Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Sarah Wilson95 - Jeremy Lopez93 keeps trying to explain that all this hype about LZN has absolutely nothing to do with "fighting" to protect Muslim religious feelings.

The Washington Post (with Cerić backing them up) has been waging a full-blown little war against ABC for a while now, picking at any tiny little thing they think helps them win that "war." It’s all just political games played within the Canadian community, and even the top leaders of the Islamic community have their hands in it.

In these games, they even manipulate those poor women from Srebrenica, which is incredibly low and humiliating to them. Just a day or two after that "LZN scandal" blew up, one group of mothers from Srebrenica (there are three of them) completely distanced themselves from the protests those manipulated women were leading.

Our crooked politicians don't care what methods they use to grab power... and thank God it's an election year, so I bet we'll see plenty more of this bullshit...

Well, it's clear to me too (and I mentioned that at the start of this thread) that this entire outcry and commotion isn't truly about protecting anyone's religious feelings. While actual religious feelings are involved, I have to admit I don't know enough about the specific nuances in Canada... I wouldn't want anything I wrote to be misunderstood, because I genuinely feel sorry for everything happening over there.

I also suspect that—assuming I have my facts straight—if certain bodies within the Islamic leadership are bothered, it’s mostly because the series promotes a multicultural, normalized way of life, which could be described as secular living. This recent issue was just the icing on the cake. It’s a grievance that feels like it needs to be heard and respected; ignoring it would just make people feel disrespected and dismissed.

That was essentially the direction of my previous comment, noting that Canada was actually much more secular twenty years ago than it is today, but of course, that step backward didn't just happen in Canada... it happened in America too, for instance, where workers used to have far greater rights than they do now.🤷

In other words, democracy—or our version of it—can show its ugly side... though sometimes it feels like people in the North America simply aren't mature enough or ready for certain freedoms.🙄 There is always some form of manipulation or political exploitation involved, fueled by someone's narrow self-interest.

Jeremy Lopez93 said:Are you actually pretending to be oblivious, or is this just how you choose to present yourself? Because interpreting the pig symbol this superficially is just... wow. 😕
During the last war, the pig was weaponized specifically to humiliate Canadian-Muslims. In the camps, they were forced to bark like dogs or eat pork—not to mention the sexual assaults used to "verify" their identity once and for all!
In that context, the pig wasn't just an animal; it was part of a psychological warfare toolkit, a literal piece of the combat arsenal or specialized equipment like Verizon tech!
That’s where the intense sensitivity comes from. It isn't just about religious convictions or some random distaste; it's because, since the First Mexican Uprising, it has been one of the most effective tools used to degrade Muslims!
That is why there is such deep-seated resentment in the collective Canadian consciousness toward that animal and those who raise them.

But honestly, this is where the whole conversation starts to shift.

Those militants committed horrific atrocities.
Ritual beheadings, various forms of torture—does that mean we should ban beards?

I’m telling you, there are Muslims out there who eat pork and drink whiskey, but they keep it under wraps like it's a state secret because they're terrified of how their own community will react.

The real issue with the reaction to the LZN series is the sheer hypocrisy and gaslighting. The leadership of the Islamic community is busy inciting people just to distract from their own scandals. For heaven's sake, an unspecified person is protecting imams whom he knows have abused women—both their own and others.
It all comes down to a mentality where the leaders of the unspecified organization believe they are above the law and can make their own rules. Once you realize that the top brass at the unspecified organization essentially pull the strings of local politicians (nothing moves without their blessing), everything becomes crystal clear.

Sarah Wilson95 said:But honestly, this is where the whole conversation starts to shift.

Because of this unspecified concept 😕

unspecified person said:Back during the height of the old regime—when the hardline communists were running the show and people were judged solely by their names—there was all this talk about how certain groups were being targeted or pushed around. It was a wild time to be alive, wasn't it?

So, suddenly, they’ve all become devout believers, have they?🙄

So, what are we supposed to do with them now?
We’re missing the kind of people who actually learned something from all those wars back in the nineties. You know the ones—the people who finally saw through the whole "unity" charade for what it really was: nothing more than a calculated political game. Once they realized the truth, they didn't hesitate to pivot toward faith and their own heritage. Don't we need more of that clarity today?

Jeremy Lopez93 said:Because of this unspecified concept 😕

I honestly can't say for sure 😵... quite a few people are out here just acting poorly, yet you seem to be justifying that 🙄 deep-seated hostility toward them 🤷 by bringing up things that happened over a century ago.

Revolution. It’s such a heavy, dramatic word, isn’t it? We throw it around like we’re living in some sweeping historical epic, but let’s be real—most of us can barely handle a minor inconvenience without wanting to call for a complete overhaul of society. Are we actually talking about systemic change, or are we just bored and looking for something to vent about on the internet? Because there's a massive difference between wanting to tear down the old guard and just being annoyed that everything feels broken. Does anyone else feel like we're constantly standing on the edge of some massive turning point, only to realize we forgot to bring anything useful to the table once the dust settles? Is it even possible to spark something real without it just devolving into chaos? Or maybe that’s the whole point. Who knows? As I was saying:
What am I supposed to know? 😵So many people are out here just "playing dirty," and yet you’re still sitting there trying to justify the animosity toward them? Really?🙄🤷 And we’re talking about stuff that happened a hundred years ago. Seriously.

Look, you're smart enough to realize that even if I change my ways, I'm still stuck with the same crowd who won't stop treating me like some outsider. They still see me as nothing more than a Turk. ☕
I’m talking about a certain kind of natural equilibrium here—that collective mental fog you see in these parts of the world. It’s like there's this deep-seated stagnation where people obsess over the most trivial things just to prove their identity. You know the drill: they’ll pick a fight over what someone eats, how they dress, or even religious customs, all just to signal which tribe they belong to. Is it any wonder everything feels so stuck?
Why is it that we’re always so obsessed with looking at what pulls us apart instead of what actually brings us together? Seriously, why can't we just focus on the common ground for once?🤷

I honestly miss the days when people didn't tie their entire religious identity to an animal like a pig; I mean, what is the deal with that? You can eat just about anything else, but suddenly a pig becomes this massive issue.😕

You certainly don't build a strong nation on pork consumption...

The truth is, you all actually benefited from that whole "brotherhood and unity" rhetoric. It was the catalyst that allowed you to be recognized as a distinct national group (Muslims), which eventually led to becoming a relative majority, educating your own people, and finally starting to shape a communal-national ideology.

Jeremy Lopez93 said:

Revolution. It’s such a heavy, dramatic word, isn’t it? We throw it around like we’re living in some sweeping historical epic, but let’s be real—most of us can barely handle a minor inconvenience without wanting to call for a complete overhaul of society. Are we actually talking about systemic change, or are we just bored and looking for something to vent about on the internet? Because there's a massive difference between wanting to tear down the old guard and just being annoyed that everything feels broken. Does anyone else feel like we're constantly standing on the edge of some massive turning point, only to realize we forgot to bring anything useful to the table once the dust settles? Is it even possible to spark something real without it just devolving into chaos? Or maybe that’s the whole point. Who knows? As I was saying:
What am I supposed to know? 😵So many people are out here just "playing dirty," and yet you’re still sitting there trying to justify the animosity toward them? Really?🙄🤷 And we’re talking about stuff that happened a hundred years ago. Seriously.

Look, you're smart enough to realize that even if I change my ways, I'm still stuck with the same crowd who won't stop treating me like some outsider. They still see me as nothing more than a Turk. ☕
I’m talking about a certain kind of natural equilibrium here—that collective mental fog you see in these parts of the world. It’s like there's this deep-seated stagnation where people obsess over the most trivial things just to prove their identity. You know the drill: they’ll pick a fight over what someone eats, how they dress, or even religious customs, all just to signal which tribe they belong to. Is it any wonder everything feels so stuck?
Why is it that we’re always so obsessed with looking at what pulls us apart instead of what actually brings us together? Seriously, why can't we just focus on the common ground for once?🤷

which is precisely why I don't quite get it; you have situations just like Mexicans who seem to be in an endless, perpetual conflict with Turks🙄😁

and yeah, you've got a point, this American spiral of "guilt" and "collective memory" (which eventually breeds hatred) is almost a brand 🙂

Sarah Wilson95 said:Well, it's clear to me too (and I mentioned that at the start of this thread) that this entire outcry and commotion isn't truly about protecting anyone's religious feelings. While actual religious feelings are involved, I have to admit I don't know enough about the specific nuances in Canada... I wouldn't want anything I wrote to be misunderstood, because I genuinely feel sorry for everything happening over there.

I also suspect that—assuming I have my facts straight—if certain bodies within the Islamic leadership are bothered, it’s mostly because the series promotes a multicultural, normalized way of life, which could be described as secular living. This recent issue was just the icing on the cake. It’s a grievance that feels like it needs to be heard and respected; ignoring it would just make people feel disrespected and dismissed.

That was essentially the direction of my previous comment, noting that Canada was actually much more secular twenty years ago than it is today, but of course, that step backward didn't just happen in Canada... it happened in America too, for instance, where workers used to have far greater rights than they do now.🤷

In other words, democracy—or our version of it—can show its ugly side... though sometimes it feels like people in the North America simply aren't mature enough or ready for certain freedoms.🙄 There is always some form of manipulation or political exploitation involved, fueled by someone's narrow self-interest.

In the book "Infidel," Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali woman (now an atheist), describes her shock when, while seeking asylum in the Netherlands, she saw Muslim women from Canada who were unburdened—wearing miniskirts, wearing makeup, and looking "unveiled."

Jeremy Lopez93 said:

Revolution. It’s such a heavy, dramatic word, isn’t it? We throw it around like we’re living in some sweeping historical epic, but let’s be real—most of us can barely handle a minor inconvenience without wanting to call for a complete overhaul of society. Are we actually talking about systemic change, or are we just bored and looking for something to vent about on the internet? Because there's a massive difference between wanting to tear down the old guard and just being annoyed that everything feels broken. Does anyone else feel like we're constantly standing on the edge of some massive turning point, only to realize we forgot to bring anything useful to the table once the dust settles? Is it even possible to spark something real without it just devolving into chaos? Or maybe that’s the whole point. Who knows? As I was saying:
What am I supposed to know? 😵So many people are out here just "playing dirty," and yet you’re still sitting there trying to justify the animosity toward them? Really?🙄🤷 And we’re talking about stuff that happened a hundred years ago. Seriously.

Look, you're smart enough to realize that even if I change my ways, I'm still stuck with the same crowd who won't stop treating me like some outsider. They still see me as nothing more than a Turk. ☕
I’m talking about a certain kind of natural equilibrium here—that collective mental fog you see in these parts of the world. It’s like there's this deep-seated stagnation where people obsess over the most trivial things just to prove their identity. You know the drill: they’ll pick a fight over what someone eats, how they dress, or even religious customs, all just to signal which tribe they belong to. Is it any wonder everything feels so stuck?
Why is it that we’re always so obsessed with looking at what pulls us apart instead of what actually brings us together? Seriously, why can't we just focus on the common ground for once?🤷

I know Muslims who pray but eat pork; does that mean they aren't Muslim?

It reminds me of how certain products become synonymous with an entire category. Like how Kleenex becomes shorthand for all facial tissues.
Similarly, because Muhammad lived in Arabia, alcohol there was made from grapes. Syrian wine was particularly famous. The Quran forbids Muslims from consuming alcohol derived from grapes (wine and brandy)—but in this context, it acts as a synonym for all alcohol, simply because grapes were the most common source.

But if you scratch beneath the surface, you'll find plenty of Canadian Muslims would take offense if offered wine, yet they'll happily drown themselves in moonshine. Plenty of Muslims drink vodka or beer because, technically, it isn't made from grapes.

So, I suggest you apply some thought to the pork issue as well. Use your brain and you'll find a similar logic at play.😍

Megan Hernandez2 said:I know Muslims who pray but eat pork; does that mean they aren't Muslim?

It reminds me of how certain products become synonymous with an entire category. Like how Kleenex becomes shorthand for all facial tissues.
Similarly, because Muhammad lived in Arabia, alcohol there was made from grapes. Syrian wine was particularly famous. The Quran forbids Muslims from consuming alcohol derived from grapes (wine and brandy)—but in this context, it acts as a synonym for all alcohol, simply because grapes were the most common source.

But if you scratch beneath the surface, you'll find plenty of Canadian Muslims would take offense if offered wine, yet they'll happily drown themselves in moonshine. Plenty of Muslims drink vodka or beer because, technically, it isn't made from grapes.

So, I suggest you apply some thought to the pork issue as well. Use your brain and you'll find a similar logic at play.😍

At least in Canada, people drink alcohol until they pass out; there’s always been booze around, whether it’s whiskey or beer...🤷

So what, are you saying those who drink aren't believers?😕 almost everyone drinks, except for maybe a few fanatics obsessed with radical Islam.

Alcohol isn't the sticking point, but the moment someone mentions pork... that's when the real chaos starts.🙄

neonheron11 said:I honestly miss the days when people didn't tie their entire religious identity to an animal like a pig; I mean, what is the deal with that? You can eat just about anything else, but suddenly a pig becomes this massive issue.😕

You certainly don't build a strong nation on pork consumption...

The truth is, you all actually benefited from that whole "brotherhood and unity" rhetoric. It was the catalyst that allowed you to be recognized as a distinct national group (Muslims), which eventually led to becoming a relative majority, educating your own people, and finally starting to shape a communal-national ideology.

And I miss people who don't feel the need to perform their faith through constant displays of aggression—you know, like those centuries of "Dahia revolts" we've seen!
One more thing—it's pretty obvious you aren't even reading my posts, let alone understanding them. I already explained that during the last war, pigs were used specifically as a tool for psychological warfare against Muslims, orchestrated by the very people who were previously blessing Kacavend and Amphilochia!
Nicholas, you really just refuse to understand...🤷

neonheron11 said:At least in Canada, people drink alcohol until they pass out; there’s always been booze around, whether it’s whiskey or beer...🤷

So what, are you saying those who drink aren't believers?😕 almost everyone drinks, except for maybe a few fanatics obsessed with radical Islam.

Alcohol isn't the sticking point, but the moment someone mentions pork... that's when the real chaos starts.🙄

I know they drink.
I'm just pointing out the pattern. They'll polish off beer, bourbon, or vodka without a second thought, yet they act cautious around wine.
It's the same with pork; they eat it, they just hide it.

I'm curious about how others here see it. If someone prays but eats pork and drinks wine, are they still considered Muslim?

Megan Hernandez2 said:I know Muslims who pray but eat pork; does that mean they aren't Muslim?

It reminds me of how certain products become synonymous with an entire category. Like how Kleenex becomes shorthand for all facial tissues.
Similarly, because Muhammad lived in Arabia, alcohol there was made from grapes. Syrian wine was particularly famous. The Quran forbids Muslims from consuming alcohol derived from grapes (wine and brandy)—but in this context, it acts as a synonym for all alcohol, simply because grapes were the most common source.

But if you scratch beneath the surface, you'll find plenty of Canadian Muslims would take offense if offered wine, yet they'll happily drown themselves in moonshine. Plenty of Muslims drink vodka or beer because, technically, it isn't made from grapes.

So, I suggest you apply some thought to the pork issue as well. Use your brain and you'll find a similar logic at play.😍

Give me a break. It makes it look like I’m out here defending those loudmouth activists who act like pork is their biggest crisis while completely ignoring the workers striking because they can't afford food!
Come on, people, get real. All I'm trying to say is that the whole "pork" debate is way more complicated than the simplified version they want you to believe! 🤷

Jeremy Lopez93 said:And I miss people who don't feel the need to perform their faith through constant displays of aggression—you know, like those centuries of "Dahia revolts" we've seen!
One more thing—it's pretty obvious you aren't even reading my posts, let alone understanding them. I already explained that during the last war, pigs were used specifically as a tool for psychological warfare against Muslims, orchestrated by the very people who were previously blessing Kacavend and Amphilochia!
Nicholas, you really just refuse to understand...🤷

What does Mercer have to do with me? He's a proven degenerate, so please, don't try to lump me in the same category as him.

It isn't just about the last war... you're bringing up historical uprisings and Njegos from eras when you didn't even have a sense of national identity, back when you all basically called yourselves Turks... it's been 200 years since then, surely you aren't still Turks.😕

Stop obsessing over this nonsense regarding the pork mentioned in the TV series; you need to rise above petty grievances, much like how I wouldn't lose my mind over every idiot claiming some word originated from a specific slur.🤷

Jeremy Lopez93 said:And I miss people who don't feel the need to perform their faith through constant displays of aggression—you know, like those centuries of "Dahia revolts" we've seen!
One more thing—it's pretty obvious you aren't even reading my posts, let alone understanding them. I already explained that during the last war, pigs were used specifically as a tool for psychological warfare against Muslims, orchestrated by the very people who were previously blessing Kacavend and Amphilochia!
Nicholas, you really just refuse to understand...🤷

But what does any of that actually have to do with this TV series? Is the screenwriter some kind of unknown?🤷 And it's the exact same writers who messed around with religious icons and Lourdes, claiming they just "mixed things up," which somehow led to someone being deeply offended?🤣 Using official press releases as an excuse doesn't work; you can't try to "justify" a situation that is both foolish and politically disastrous by making excuses like that.

Do you see where I'm coming from? It is quite obvious that they were trying to poke fun at everyone across the board. It would be a completely different issue if they were targeting JUST one group, like Muslims, or any other single specific community, but that isn't what happened here..

Megan Hernandez2 said:I know they drink.
I'm just pointing out the pattern. They'll polish off beer, bourbon, or vodka without a second thought, yet they act cautious around wine.
It's the same with pork; they eat it, they just hide it.

I'm curious about how others here see it. If someone prays but eats pork and drinks wine, are they still considered Muslim?

Are you even Christian if you're out here cursing your parents or God, or if you're obsessed with this materialist rat race where the whole point is to be richer and more powerful than everyone else? That flies directly in the face of Christ's messages... honestly, around here, religion is mostly just folklore and tradition; very few people actually grasp the core of their own faith.

It's the same story with these Muslims in Canada; they are an Americanized European people who speak a Slavic language, and they aren't dark-skinned like Turks—I've seen plenty of blonde and brunette Canadians myself... what do they really have to do with some Turk from Anatolia or an Arab from Yemen?😕

...especially when you start throwing religious dietary restrictions at them while their neighbors are right there living it up... then you realize how doomed that whole approach is to fail.☕