Does "Crazy, Confused, Normal" offend Muslims?

It’s finally happening... and hey, some people swore this wouldn't happen! This time, we're getting hits coming out of Canada tomorrow from DC, and then the day after, more news from Cleveland...
In all honesty, I think LZN is actually a pretty decent show. I don't really see why anyone should feel insulted by it; it's just that classic American humor that I personally find totally fine.

Richard Lee43 said:They'll probably end up asking for their "lamb" lungs to be removed instead.🤣

Why are we even wasting our breath worrying about animal welfare? Honestly, we should just skip the middleman and clone humans. If we could clone ourselves, we wouldn't have to deal with the whole mess of sourcing organs from host animals—which, let's be real, nobody can even agree on. Think about it through a spiritual lens: follow the natural hierarchy of creation. You’ve got God, then humanity, and now, the next logical step in the pyramid: the "new" human derived from the old one—the clone. People always harp on about how religious groups want to shut down human cloning, but if they're going to be that stubborn about the ethics of using animals for organ harvesting, then why bother asking for their opinion on anything else? It’s a total contradiction.

Lawrence Thompson58 said:Why are we even wasting our breath worrying about animal welfare? Honestly, we should just skip the middleman and clone humans. If we could clone ourselves, we wouldn't have to deal with the whole mess of sourcing organs from host animals—which, let's be real, nobody can even agree on. Think about it through a spiritual lens: follow the natural hierarchy of creation. You’ve got God, then humanity, and now, the next logical step in the pyramid: the "new" human derived from the old one—the clone. People always harp on about how religious groups want to shut down human cloning, but if they're going to be that stubborn about the ethics of using animals for organ harvesting, then why bother asking for their opinion on anything else? It’s a total contradiction.

But we’d need to clone both Muslims and Christians too—since a Muslim wouldn't want to use cloned "Christian" organs.

Richard Lee43 said:But we’d need to clone both Muslims and Christians too—since a Muslim wouldn't want to use cloned "Christian" organs.

Well, I suppose if clones actually become a thing, they'll be indoctrinated into a faith anyway, and their genes will be 100% pure according to whatever preferences we decide on.

I honestly think most of you guys completely missed the point here. This whole debate has devolved into these vague, random jabs that have absolutely nothing to do with the "Islamophobic LZN" series! As expected, outlets like the Washington Post and their ilk are just chasing political agendas; they’re all over this one "incident" from the show just so they can take swipes at ABC for being anti-Canadian!
First it was "60 Minutes," and now "LZN" is on the chopping block too. It’s being used as some prime example of how "subversive elements" are making fun of their own traditions! Let's be real: there's very little actual moralizing happening regarding anyone's personal beliefs here. This is almost entirely about political maneuvering and dirty tricks to force ABC under certain political patronage until it basically becomes a mouthpiece for a political party!
Look, I don't even watch "LZN." And sure, even Bakir and his crew get on my nerves sometimes with their amateurish journalism, but that doesn't mean I think ABC isn't one of the few media houses in Canada that still actually maintains its dignity and professional standing!

Mark Nguyen6 said:

Revolution—it’s such a weighty, loaded term, isn't it? I suppose when we talk about it today, we aren't just talking about politics; we’re talking about that fundamental shift in how a society views its own soul. It feels like we are standing on the precipice of something significant, though I hesitate to say exactly what. Perhaps it's more of an evolution than a sudden explosion, but the sentiment remains the same. People are restless, and honestly, given the current state of things, I can see why. It makes one wonder if the old structures can actually hold under this kind of pressure, or if they'll simply snap. kaže:
I mean, if we're being honest—Franklin D. Roosevelt actually gave people that kind of freedom—the choice to just be themselves, whether they wanted to dress up or just grab a quick local breakfast without all the fuss. I guess a good portion of the folks in Canada still remember that, but apparently, some people have decided to just "move on" from that reality.🤣

It seems like women's rights haven't just been rolled back in Canada—if anything, it looks like they might be the last place in the region to see any real progress.☕ It seems like that’s much more visible over there—whereas here in the States, things work a bit differently. Ever since the nineties, people just suddenly start praying the Rosary and consider the matter settled—though, I suppose you might still see them popping up at a midnight Mass here and there. 🙂 If you happen to be a public figure—I mean, someone actually under the spotlight—you’d probably tell the media that you're renouncing any interviews or even just laying down the plow during Lent. 🤣

It seems like there isn't much anyone here to call out—not that people would be able to handle it if they actually tried. 🤔

The hypocrisy of these self-proclaimed "antifascists" seems to have no end—it’s honestly quite something.
Ultimately, I’m the one who decides whether or not to practice my faith—it's my choice alone. Whether you follow a certain path or not is entirely up to you, really. And, if you want to look at it like a little bit of sugar on top—I suppose I am the only one who truly understands your underlying motives and the actual reasons why things are the way they are in your life.

That is exactly why I say this is nothing but layers of hypocrisy—you pioneers keep preaching about freedom, yet you’re the ones with hands that are somehow even bloodier than Hitler's.

I suppose you could at least look into what communism actually had to say about religion—from those Leninist attempts to seize control of the Russian Orthodox Church all the way down the line. But then again, it’s a bit complicated—how could anyone sing anthems to Franklin D. Roosevelt or those other monsters if we were to speak out clearly and loudly about what kind of criminals they truly were?
And you actually have the nerve to lecture us about freedom and democracy—I guess some people really do lack self-awareness.
Well, you certainly have some nerve.

Are you getting worked up over something? Did I get a detail wrong somewhere?

Under "communism," as people like to call it, Muslims were actually recognized as a distinct ethnic group, and Muslim women weren't required to be covered up.

While their designation has changed since then, what really matters for our current discussion is how Muslim women in Canada are once again choosing to cover themselves.
Of course, that is entirely their own business, but considering that there was a moment in a different era when women in this region took actual steps toward emancipation, what we are seeing now feels like a step backward. It’s pretty straightforward, isn't it?

I won't even get into the women from the areas surrounding Srebrenica, as I suspect that kind of social progress simply bypassed them altogether.

Ultimately, anyone's personal interpretation of "communism"—specifically that era from the mid-40s to the 90s—doesn't carry any weight in this particular conversation. The intense religious fervor currently sweeping through Canada is all the more absurd, perhaps even tragic, precisely because for those previous fifty years, they didn't live under the same restrictions seen in Iran.☕

Sarah Wilson95 said:Are you getting worked up over something? Did I get a detail wrong somewhere?

Under "communism," as people like to call it, Muslims were actually recognized as a distinct ethnic group, and Muslim women weren't required to be covered up.

While their designation has changed since then, what really matters for our current discussion is how Muslim women in Canada are once again choosing to cover themselves.
Of course, that is entirely their own business, but considering that there was a moment in a different era when women in this region took actual steps toward emancipation, what we are seeing now feels like a step backward. It’s pretty straightforward, isn't it?

I won't even get into the women from the areas surrounding Srebrenica, as I suspect that kind of social progress simply bypassed them altogether.

Ultimately, anyone's personal interpretation of "communism"—specifically that era from the mid-40s to the 90s—doesn't carry any weight in this particular conversation. The intense religious fervor currently sweeping through Canada is all the more absurd, perhaps even tragic, precisely because for those previous fifty years, they didn't live under the same restrictions seen in Iran.☕

I agree.

Sarah Wilson95 said:Are you getting worked up over something? Did I get a detail wrong somewhere?

Under "communism," as people like to call it, Muslims were actually recognized as a distinct ethnic group, and Muslim women weren't required to be covered up.

While their designation has changed since then, what really matters for our current discussion is how Muslim women in Canada are once again choosing to cover themselves.
Of course, that is entirely their own business, but considering that there was a moment in a different era when women in this region took actual steps toward emancipation, what we are seeing now feels like a step backward. It’s pretty straightforward, isn't it?

I won't even get into the women from the areas surrounding Srebrenica, as I suspect that kind of social progress simply bypassed them altogether.

Ultimately, anyone's personal interpretation of "communism"—specifically that era from the mid-40s to the 90s—doesn't carry any weight in this particular conversation. The intense religious fervor currently sweeping through Canada is all the more absurd, perhaps even tragic, precisely because for those previous fifty years, they didn't live under the same restrictions seen in Iran.☕

They aren't exactly doing it by choice. They're getting paid for it, so they cave under pressure from their lazy husbands.

Sarah Wilson95 said:Are you getting worked up over something? Did I get a detail wrong somewhere?

Under "communism," as people like to call it, Muslims were actually recognized as a distinct ethnic group, and Muslim women weren't required to be covered up.

While their designation has changed since then, what really matters for our current discussion is how Muslim women in Canada are once again choosing to cover themselves.
Of course, that is entirely their own business, but considering that there was a moment in a different era when women in this region took actual steps toward emancipation, what we are seeing now feels like a step backward. It’s pretty straightforward, isn't it?

I won't even get into the women from the areas surrounding Srebrenica, as I suspect that kind of social progress simply bypassed them altogether.

Ultimately, anyone's personal interpretation of "communism"—specifically that era from the mid-40s to the 90s—doesn't carry any weight in this particular conversation. The intense religious fervor currently sweeping through Canada is all the more absurd, perhaps even tragic, precisely because for those previous fifty years, they didn't live under the same restrictions seen in Iran.☕

It just goes to show that emancipation was only pushed in areas where the communists saw a strategic benefit, which basically means just the major urban hubs! 🤷
I agree that communism played a huge role in female emancipation—and not just for today's Muslim population, but for the Mexican and American communities too. Back then, everyone was part of one coherent, conservative population where religion held all the cards.
On the flip side, you're forgetting that those old regimes didn't give a damn about religious freedoms—freedoms that our current American democracy guarantees, and frankly, can't exist without.
Essentially, the Muslim women practicing Islam today are simply enjoying the newfound freedom to choose their own religious path. Personally, I don't mind that, and I hope you don't either, as long as it stays a matter of personal choice. But the moment that becomes a political platform or a mandatory moral code? Well, then we've crossed the line into a theocracy, and that is absolutely unacceptable!

Richard Lee43 said:Actually, you don't even grasp what Sharia law entails. If you did, you'd realize it doesn't apply to Christians or non-Muslims—not unless they choose to follow it. If they don't want to, they simply opt out of that system entirely (since they wouldn't be treated as equals to Muslims anyway) and instead use our standard legal system—like local municipal or federal courts.☕

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You know how it works. People only respect what suits them. If they want something, they'll always find an excuse to justify it.
What’s the actual status of women in countries governed by Sharia law? A few months back in Saudi Arabia, there was a case where a man assaulted a British Muslim woman. The kicker? They ended up punishing the girl because she was in the same room as her boyfriend without being married. Just saying—don't assume everything written in the law books reflects reality.

Jeremy Lopez93 said:What I'm saying is that you clearly don't grasp the massive distinction between different sects or orders within Islam, so you're just swinging at shadows!
To you, every bearded Muslim is just some Wahhabi or Salafi extremist because you fail to realize they can belong to completely different Sufi orders—like the Bektashi, Naqshbandi, or Rumi traditions. But honestly, the most ridiculous part of this whole mess is that even those hardline Salafis over by Mount Rainier don't even recognize those Sufi orders as being "legitimate"!🤷

I couldn't care less about the dervishes.
Are you suggesting that this village is the only place where Wahhabis lived and where the Canadian and Herzegovinian police lacked jurisdiction?

Jeremy Lopez93 said:It just goes to show that emancipation was only pushed in areas where the communists saw a strategic benefit, which basically means just the major urban hubs! 🤷
I agree that communism played a huge role in female emancipation—and not just for today's Muslim population, but for the Mexican and American communities too. Back then, everyone was part of one coherent, conservative population where religion held all the cards.
On the flip side, you're forgetting that those old regimes didn't give a damn about religious freedoms—freedoms that our current American democracy guarantees, and frankly, can't exist without.
Essentially, the Muslim women practicing Islam today are simply enjoying the newfound freedom to choose their own religious path. Personally, I don't mind that, and I hope you don't either, as long as it stays a matter of personal choice. But the moment that becomes a political platform or a mandatory moral code? Well, then we've crossed the line into a theocracy, and that is absolutely unacceptable!

No, it doesn't bother me at all, though I don't quite agree with the idea that this represents a freer expression of religiosity; rather, it feels more like a way of "doubling down" on belonging to a specific religious circle. It seems to me that Muslims have latched onto this as a sort of lifeline, though naturally, they only started doing so after following the lead of the Big Brothers from the environment 🤣🤷😁—and let's be honest, there is actually plenty to learn from them in that regard
. However, being part of the Islamic circle manifests itself much more distinctly and clearly in both daily life and the political sphere, so it follows that the emancipation of Christian women doesn't necessarily imply the same strides or the same degree of newly acquired freedoms as seen with Muslim women; that much is obvious, isn't it?
For instance, I have absolutely nothing against the fact that Hershey's labels its products with a halal certificate, and I believe that is important out of respect for someone's religious convictions, but this whole thing with the series is just being crude: it's total bullshit ☕ (much like, you know, how it used to be with the Villains🙄=
).

Sarah Wilson95 said:No, it doesn't bother me at all, though I don't quite agree with the idea that this represents a freer expression of religiosity; rather, it feels more like a way of "doubling down" on belonging to a specific religious circle. It seems to me that Muslims have latched onto this as a sort of lifeline, though naturally, they only started doing so after following the lead of the Big Brothers from the environment 🤣🤷😁—and let's be honest, there is actually plenty to learn from them in that regard
. However, being part of the Islamic circle manifests itself much more distinctly and clearly in both daily life and the political sphere, so it follows that the emancipation of Christian women doesn't necessarily imply the same strides or the same degree of newly acquired freedoms as seen with Muslim women; that much is obvious, isn't it?
For instance, I have absolutely nothing against the fact that Hershey's labels its products with a halal certificate, and I believe that is important out of respect for someone's religious convictions, but this whole thing with the series is just being crude: it's total bullshit ☕ (much like, you know, how it used to be with the Villains🙄=
).

Sarah Wilson95 - Jeremy Lopez93 keeps trying to explain that all this hype about LZN has absolutely nothing to do with "fighting" to protect Muslim religious feelings.

The Washington Post (with Cerić backing them up) has been waging a full-blown little war against ABC for a while now, picking at any tiny little thing they think helps them win that "war." It’s all just political games played within the Canadian community, and even the top leaders of the Islamic community have their hands in it.

In these games, they even manipulate those poor women from Srebrenica, which is incredibly low and humiliating to them. Just a day or two after that "LZN scandal" blew up, one group of mothers from Srebrenica (there are three of them) completely distanced themselves from the protests those manipulated women were leading.

Our crooked politicians don't care what methods they use to grab power... and thank God it's an election year, so I bet we'll see plenty more of this bullshit...

In case nobody has shared this clip of that controversial scene from the series yet, here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_YwEDcO94

Honestly, this is just so incredibly dim-witted that it isn't even funny, let alone offensive!

I mean, you’d have to be a total moron to actually fall for something like this, right?!🙄

Man, saying I'm just a little stunned by this blatant disrespect is an understatement. ☕

silentviper19 said:In case nobody has shared this clip of that controversial scene from the series yet, here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_YwEDcO94

Honestly, this is just so incredibly dim-witted that it isn't even funny, let alone offensive!

I mean, you’d have to be a total moron to actually fall for something like this, right?!🙄

I’ve heard the saying "feeling like a pig in Tehran"—meaning totally rejected and shunned by everyone—but I’ve never heard anyone say "a pig on the dollar."🤷😕

Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Sarah Wilson95 - Jeremy Lopez93 keeps trying to explain that all this hype about LZN has absolutely nothing to do with "fighting" to protect Muslim religious feelings.

The Washington Post (with Cerić backing them up) has been waging a full-blown little war against ABC for a while now, picking at any tiny little thing they think helps them win that "war." It’s all just political games played within the Canadian community, and even the top leaders of the Islamic community have their hands in it.

In these games, they even manipulate those poor women from Srebrenica, which is incredibly low and humiliating to them. Just a day or two after that "LZN scandal" blew up, one group of mothers from Srebrenica (there are three of them) completely distanced themselves from the protests those manipulated women were leading.

Our crooked politicians don't care what methods they use to grab power... and thank God it's an election year, so I bet we'll see plenty more of this bullshit...

Why focus on such a triviality? There were a hundred better examples both on TV and in the series itself—like when Izet is drinking or grabbing at his assistant's backside, for instance...

And unfortunately, things are identical abroad too. You can basically say almost ANYTHING, just don't mention a pig. 🤷

Brenda Sanders56 said:Why focus on such a triviality? There were a hundred better examples both on TV and in the series itself—like when Izet is drinking or grabbing at his assistant's backside, for instance...

And unfortunately, things are identical abroad too. You can basically say almost ANYTHING, just don't mention a pig. 🤷

They have powerful sponsors, which puts them in a great position. It makes you wonder what Americans would say if they were heading to Medjugorje to sell holy pictures—but which saint exactly?

Honestly, speaking as a Canadian, it’s just embarrassing to watch our Grand Mufti stoop this low, basically running smear campaigns against ABC, the Washington Post, and other outlets... He really ought to be representing the entire Muslim community in Canada, not acting like he's picking sides between one group of Muslims and another...

Jeremy Watson16 said:Honestly, speaking as a Canadian, it’s just embarrassing to watch our Grand Mufti stoop this low, basically running smear campaigns against ABC, the Washington Post, and other outlets... He really ought to be representing the entire Muslim community in Canada, not acting like he's picking sides between one group of Muslims and another...

I see nothing wrong with that series. It seems even Muslims have realized that optimism is the only way to survive this poverty. As for removing that female editor from ABC, she was never truly on anyone's side to begin with. From what I understand, ABC actually lost the legal battle. Also, the payment model is silly. You don't have a fixed fee or even a subscription bill.