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Can psychology actually help fix relationship issues?

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Participants Chloe Barnes8Kenneth Price74Angela Rogers2Christian Wells6mistybisonSandra Parker3George Robinson5mistyharbor15rustymaker5Bryan Howard61Keith Lee2nimblepilot29Jerry Martinez5Amanda Ramirez69urbangardener35lonegardenerGerald Rivera60Jonathan Brooks7Peter Anderson57
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#101 ·
mistyharbor15 said:Wait, if moms are the ones raising men, then women are basically the reason those traditional views exist in the first place, right?🙂 The fix is easy: once today's modern, independent women become mothers, they just need to raise their kids with these new perspectives. 😉

Oh, obviously! 👍
I mean, I’m certainly not one to dodge responsibility... though maybe I just used my daughter as an excuse to make my own life a little easier. 😉 😍
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#102 ·
rustymaker5 said:Oh, obviously! 👍
I mean, I’m certainly not one to dodge responsibility... though maybe I just used my daughter as an excuse to make my own life a little easier. 😉 😍

but then you could raise her to reject all those old-fashioned patriarchal myths and those social roles that basically try to keep women enslaved, right?🙂
Keith Lee2 Keith Lee2 Active Member
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#103 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:You might not see it... but the rest of us are definitely noticing your lack of basic literacy...😁 😁

Oops, my bad—fixing that now.
What I actually meant was how you guys are all just coddling each other's helplessness.
Hopefully that keeps the crazies away. 😁

P.S. A guy doesn't exactly need to be a scholar for women to adore him.😬
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#104 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:but then you could raise her to reject all those old-fashioned patriarchal myths and those social roles that basically try to keep women enslaved, right?🙂

Well, obviously! 👍
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#105 ·
Keith Lee2 said:Oops, my bad—fixing that now.
What I actually meant was how you guys are all just coddling each other's helplessness.
Hopefully that keeps the crazies away. 😁

P.S. A guy doesn't exactly need to be a scholar for women to adore him.😬

It’s just such a rare gift when they actually are... 😍

😉
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#106 ·
Keith Lee2 said:Oops, my bad—fixing that now.
What I actually meant was how you guys are all just coddling each other's helplessness.
Hopefully that keeps the crazies away. 😁

P.S. A guy doesn't exactly need to be a scholar for women to adore him.😬

hehe... someone please give me some comfort here...😁 😁 🤣

Man, that kind of attitude is a total turn-off for any decent woman... just saying.😁 😁 😂
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#107 ·
It is truly a pleasure to be here. I look forward to participating in the discussion. kaže:
Of course. After a century spent viewing women as mentally inferior beings who exist solely to serve as breeding machines, it is high time we close that book and start writing a new one.🙂

Women should embrace their freedom to remind men that fatherhood is a privilege, not an entitlement. When a woman chooses a specific man to be the father of her children, it is a profound compliment and a true gift. 🙂 He doesn't really grasp anything beyond that. 😉 Men tend to approach things from a different angle, rather than looking at them this way. However, nature teaches us otherwise. 🙂
nimblepilot29 nimblepilot29 Member
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#108 ·
I’m genuinely curious about what this AI thinks—is it actually possible to interpret all this behavior through the lens of so-called genetics?

In my view, things aren't quite that straightforward.

Take what you all were just debating regarding literacy... if being literate is a major deciding factor for you when choosing a future father for your children, then that has absolutely nothing to do with genes.

And honestly, how much does knowing how to spell correctly actually matter when it comes to sexual (instinctive) attraction? I mean, who knows. Personally, I don't think it matters at all. Perhaps you're all just kidding yourselves...😉
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#109 ·
They leaned a little too hard into genetics, so watching some guy's complete lack of literacy was actually a nice little breather. 😉
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#110 ·
nimblepilot29 said:I’m genuinely curious about what this AI thinks—is it actually possible to interpret all this behavior through the lens of so-called genetics?

In my view, things aren't quite that straightforward.

Take what you all were just debating regarding literacy... if being literate is a major deciding factor for you when choosing a future father for your children, then that has absolutely nothing to do with genes.

And honestly, how much does knowing how to spell correctly actually matter when it comes to sexual (instinctive) attraction? I mean, who knows. Personally, I don't think it matters at all. Perhaps you're all just kidding yourselves...😉

Which bot? 😕

nimblepilot29 said:I’m genuinely curious about what this AI thinks—is it actually possible to interpret all this behavior through the lens of so-called genetics?

In my view, things aren't quite that straightforward.

Take what you all were just debating regarding literacy... if being literate is a major deciding factor for you when choosing a future father for your children, then that has absolutely nothing to do with genes.

And honestly, how much does knowing how to spell correctly actually matter when it comes to sexual (instinctive) attraction? I mean, who knows. Personally, I don't think it matters at all. Perhaps you're all just kidding yourselves...😉

Are you sure about that? I mean, saying it has nothing to do with genes... 🥳

nimblepilot29 said:I’m genuinely curious about what this AI thinks—is it actually possible to interpret all this behavior through the lens of so-called genetics?

In my view, things aren't quite that straightforward.

Take what you all were just debating regarding literacy... if being literate is a major deciding factor for you when choosing a future father for your children, then that has absolutely nothing to do with genes.

And honestly, how much does knowing how to spell correctly actually matter when it comes to sexual (instinctive) attraction? I mean, who knows. Personally, I don't think it matters at all. Perhaps you're all just kidding yourselves...😉

Or are you just trying to comfort yourself? 😉
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#111 ·
She's 🙂
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#112 ·
Angela Rogers2 said:I really don't feel like quoting anything right now.
But I guess it’s all just instinctual anyway. Why didn't you pick some guy who was dim-witted, unremarkable, or broke? It’s basically sexual selection—why am I saying that? Because, say, a strong, smart, attractive, funny, or wealthy man is generally seen as having good genes. The assumption is that those traits might pass down to offspring, making them more successful or capable or whatever.
I still maintain that women are more tuned into emotional cues than men are, probably because of the whole child-rearing thing. They tend to have higher social intelligence. Like, if a baby starts crying, a woman can pretty much tell why just by the sound; to a man, that’s just a nervous breakdown.😁

Tanya, you should check out *The Evolution of Man* by Jones; you might actually like it. The book is loaded with arguments from a genetic standpoint about how men are essentially genetically inferior to women, and how everything is just one big evolutionary mistake and so on... 😉 😁

As for why some people marry purely for financial gain, it’s actually pretty straightforward. Think about cavemen: if a hunter managed to bring home 10 pounds of meat after a struggle, he was showing his partner he could provide. She’d choose him to father her kids over some idiot who couldn't catch anything. To her, that meat wasn't just food; it was proof of competence. Nowadays, if a guy showed up at your door with 10 pounds of raw meat, you’d probably just stare at him wondering what his deal is. But society has evolved, and when a guy takes a woman to an expensive restaurant in a luxury car or buys her high-end perfume, it’s the modern version of that same signal. He’s basically shouting, "Look how successful and capable I am; I can afford this, so you're safe with me." If a woman isn't looking for intelligence—maybe because she isn't prioritizing it herself—she won't care if he's slow or whatever.
If she does value intelligence, then yeah, it matters.
Some women will also prioritize physical looks, letting their own specific idea of beauty drive their selection process.
And so on and so forth...
I mean, men make these choices too... I'm not just talking about women.

I find myself in agreement there. However, we are discussing romantic dynamics between partners here, rather than the relationship between a mother and her child. In that specific context, the man essentially steps outside of the primary emotional loop to occupy a different role entirely.🤷

Thanks, I think I’ll go hunting for that book.
Christian Wells6 Christian Wells6 Active Member
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#113 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:Tanya, I have to hand it to you for being so creative... but a lot of what you're saying sounds like a lack of empathy, or maybe just personal bias rather than actual social trends regarding how men and women differ.

Also, since you're presenting yourself as such a powerhouse (a total amazonka, as they say), why haven't you and your friends been out at the local pubs retelling these stories the way guys do? 😁

What do you think the reason is for that? 🤷

There isn't any "lack of sensitivity" involved here. It is simply designed for its intended purpose, and frankly, there isn't much need for overthinking it.

Why should there be? I am not particularly concerned with the minor details; my interest lies in maintaining a fulfilling sex life, and I feel no compulsion to dissect it endlessly. When I am out with my friends, we generally find ourselves discussing entirely different matters altogether.

Chloe Barnes8, let's be perfectly honest: when you are busy studying, all you really need is a hardworking Canadian lumberjack and nothing more. There is truly nothing left to discuss on the matter. 🤷
Angela Rogers2 Angela Rogers2 Active Member
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#114 ·
Christian Wells6 said:I find myself in agreement there. However, we are discussing romantic dynamics between partners here, rather than the relationship between a mother and her child. In that specific context, the man essentially steps outside of the primary emotional loop to occupy a different role entirely.🤷

Thanks, I think I’ll go hunting for that book.

Seriously, Taylor, make the connection—if you can tell what a kid needs just by hearing them cry, you can definitely pick up on the subtle cues from another adult.

@nimblepilot29, this isn't some bot, it's Silver Surfer😠 😛 honestly, the more I read about this, the harder it gets to draw a line. I guess what I mean is, do we start individually with our genes? Like, you get certain biological material from your parents—these predispositions—and then you factor in the environment, which determines if you actually lean into those skills or not. That's one side: genes shaping personality. Then there's genetically inherited behavior, like facial expressions or body language, which applies to everyone whether they were born in China or the US. Third, there's the genetic capacity for thought, action, language, and so on... though culture and geography start mixing in there. Still, there are patterns found in any culture, despite the differences; tendencies toward religion, morality, governance, and power exist everywhere. There are fundamental beliefs that persist in a region for centuries, practically programming people to think a certain way. When those core beliefs start getting questioned or devalued, that's when you see societal decadence.
Another thing I wanted to mention is that, for the most part, people still act mostly on instinct, driven by passion and irrationality—especially if you look at a specific social class or a group that could be described as a mob. It doesn't matter if they're homogeneous or heterogeneous; their actions are often impulsive and irrational, maybe just less rational than an isolated individual would be. To understand these aspects of human life and development, we really have to dive into genetics to figure out how things evolved, why it happened, and how it affects the individual and, eventually, society as a whole. Genetics is capable of determining and explaining quite a bit of that. 🙂

This post is a total off-topic mess, but since I don't want it deleted, here's a little on-topic: romantic relationships, romantic relationships, romantic relationships, romantic relationships.🙂
Chloe Barnes8 Chloe Barnes8 Active MemberOP
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#115 ·
Times change, and so do the standards for what’s considered okay or even expected when it comes to gender roles... if those roles even need to exist at all, really...

Just a few decades ago, if a woman acted assertive, most psychologists or psychiatrists back then would have probably flagged it as being way too aggressive, maybe even "masculine," whereas today it's just a totally normal part of our social code... like...☕

And honestly, the same goes for men too... being a "macho man" isn't exactly an adaptive way to live, I don't think. It feels like psychology and counseling have actually made some strides here, really pushing for better communication and understanding needs between the genders...

If you were hitting a wall in your marriage or your relationship, would you immediately think about reaching out to a professional?
The real question is, how much faith would you actually have in someone being able to fix things for you?
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#116 ·
Chloe Barnes8 said:Times change, and so do the standards for what’s considered okay or even expected when it comes to gender roles... if those roles even need to exist at all, really...

Just a few decades ago, if a woman acted assertive, most psychologists or psychiatrists back then would have probably flagged it as being way too aggressive, maybe even "masculine," whereas today it's just a totally normal part of our social code... like...☕

And honestly, the same goes for men too... being a "macho man" isn't exactly an adaptive way to live, I don't think. It feels like psychology and counseling have actually made some strides here, really pushing for better communication and understanding needs between the genders...

If you were hitting a wall in your marriage or your relationship, would you immediately think about reaching out to a professional?
The real question is, how much faith would you actually have in someone being able to fix things for you?

Not really. I can't quite put my finger on why.
I'm perfectly capable of walking away on my own, but doing it with him? No way.
I'd just end up being difficult 🤷
Maybe I'll figure out what's actually going on in my head and let you know then.

And what is it with you always... dancing around the subject... never saying anything concrete, or maybe it's just me? 😕
nimblepilot29 nimblepilot29 Member
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#117 ·
rustymaker5 said:Which bot? 😕

Are you sure about that? I mean, saying it has nothing to do with genes... 🥳

Or are you just trying to comfort yourself? 😉

The robot in the avatar. That's what I meant 😁

I'm not even sure myself, really 😉
I'm just wondering... about myself and everyone else.

And if genetics is everything, then mastering grammar doesn't even matter; everything would already be set in stone, which isn't exactly a comforting thought. It would mean I could write perfectly, but if I don't have the right genes, it won't mean a thing. That's just how I see it...
nimblepilot29 nimblepilot29 Member
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#118 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:She's 🙂

👍 you are 😁
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#119 ·
nimblepilot29 said:The robot in the avatar. That's what I meant 😁

I'm not even sure myself, really 😉
I'm just wondering... about myself and everyone else.

And if genetics is everything, then mastering grammar doesn't even matter; everything would already be set in stone, which isn't exactly a comforting thought. It would mean I could write perfectly, but if I don't have the right genes, it won't mean a thing. That's just how I see it...

Unless we're talking about an incurable genetic disorder or something similar, things like grammar and education actually make a massive difference.
Because you aren't going to inherit perfect spelling through your DNA.
Sure, you might have certain predispositions, but everything else comes down to a huge mix of factors—and you're one of those factors. 😉
nimblepilot29 nimblepilot29 Member
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#120 ·
I am my own proofreader 😁

But honestly, when you’re hit over the head—or rather, when you get struck right where it counts—that sudden, overwhelming surge of desire... does it really matter if the object of your longing can spell correctly, sits gracefully at the dinner table, or avoids making noise while they eat?

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